Good Morning, Could anyone tell what a Kinderbewijs is and what was it used for. I found reference to this in an application to the High Court for the securing of a portion of an estate for a minor child. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Hi there I'm looking for more information on the abovementioned lady. I would imagine that Roye would be her married name. She is a witness to my 2xgreat grandparents marriage in 1876 at the Wesleyan Methodist Church in Port Elizabeth. The other witness was a William Barker. Naairs shows an item "Memorials received" Elizabeth Ann Roye. Regarding Husband and another "Memorial Received" Forwarding photograph of husband. I can't seem to find a Death Notice Please if there is anyone out there that has any information on her or her husband, I would be grateful. Sometimes if one cannot find anything on the person that married, the witnesses can also be of help. Thank you Patty

As promised, I have begun transcribing the final settler returns from CO48/47 at the National Archives in London. They are quite fiddly, so it may take a while to get them all done, but the first ten can now be viewed at http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/settler-returns The files are alphabetical but not within each letter of the alphabet, and I am doing them in order of the photographs, so Thomas CALTON is next on the list. Charles CAMPBELL won't appear as his party went later (see post 1820 correspondence). These returns are more or less what appears in The Settler Handbook, but there are some differences, as M.D. Nash had access to the returns lodged at the Cape as well. Occasionally extra children appear. Possibly they died before sailing or else stayed behind for some reason. All the best Sue

BMDs for 1881 are now complete, transcribed by Clive Jones at the Cape Archives http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.php/cape-times And for those with Gloucestershire ancestry, be aware that original images of parish registers are now available on Ancestry. Sue

​​​Thank you Christian. I'm looking for a Herbert Bertram Walker, born about 1874 by NZ death index. A cousin of your relatives? Another child? I see Henry Percival was married in 'Maritzburd. familysearch shows me many of his children (add Caroline 1857) and other Walkers in PMB and some in Durban. But not Herbert . I'll keep looking. David ________________________________ From: Christian Stewart <christian@crieffvechter.com> Sent: February 16, 2015 5:45 AM To: Rootsweb Eastern Cape Mailing List Subject: [ZA-EC] Fw: Walker family in New Zealand I have stumbled upon Walker relatives in Pietermaritzburg descended from Henry Percival Walker (b.1827). He and his wife Emma Thompson appear to have had a number of children - Sophia Mary Ann (b.1854), William Arthur (b.1861), Albert Edwards (b.1863), Charles Edwards (b.1865), Susan Emily (b.1869) and Walter George (b.1871). I’m afraid I haven’t managed to research them yet though. Christian > On 16 Feb 2015, at 08:00, south-africa-eastern-cape-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Fw: Walker family in New Zealand (Pat Frykberg) > > From: Pat Frykberg <patfryk@clear.net.nz> > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Date: 15 February 2015 18:04:23 GMT > Reply-To: Pat Frykberg <patfryk@clear.net.nz>, south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] Fw: Walker family in New Zealand > > > Can anyone here help David, please? the Walker family who came to NZ were part of the Ainslie family too. But Rob Walker is dead now and I think I may be able to find his wife but will need a bit of time. > Pat > > > From: David Luke > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 5:19 AM > To: Pat Frykberg > Subject: Re: Walker family in New Zealand > > > ?Thank you for your prompt reply Pat, and for the links to the NZ Society. > > > > > > It is of interest that a number of "my people" started off in the Eastern Cape and moved to Durban around the 1880s. > > > > > > It is interesting that you mention Bedford. > > > My 2g grandfather, William McGregor, emigrated from England in 1873, apparently to Port Elizabeth. > > > The next information I have is that he died in 1880, in Bedford. > > > Do you have any idea what was happening in or around Bedford that would have drawn him there? > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: Pat Frykberg <patfryk@clear.net.nz> > Sent: February 14, 2015 10:49 PM > To: David Luke > Subject: Re: Walker family in New Zealand > > I doubt it David. My lot (not my family but a friend whose family i helped trace) were Eastern Province of the Cape. Bedford to be precise. Very early settlers. My Walker family, Rob and Noelle came to NZ in 1952. May I suggest that you write to the the NZ Society of Genealogists. They have wonderful records or may put this in a query column. > email cemeteries@genealogy.org.nz. or > researchservice@genealogy.org.nz > Sorry not to be of closer help. Good luck with this > Patricia Frykberg > > > > From: David Luke > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 2:37 AM > To: Patricia Frykberg > Subject: Walker family in New Zealand > > > Hello, > > > I picked your name from a 2005 thread on South African Walkers on Rootschat. > > > > > > I have a Herbert Bertram Walker born about 1874, probably in South Africa. > > > He married my great aunt Katherine Alice McGregor Luke in Durban 9 Aug 1911. > > > They then emigrated to New Zealand. I have them in Lower Riccarton in 1917. > > > They had a son Henry Luke Walker born about 1912, apparently in Durban, and died in 1975, > > > in New Zealand. > > > > > > Are these people any relation to your Walkers? > > > > > > I hope this is still an email address you use! > > > > > > Regards > > > David Luke > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> > Version: 10.0.1434 / Virus Database: 4257/8609 - Release Date: 02/14/15 > > > > To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE list administrator, send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE mailing list, send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text.

While scratching around for information regarding the British Troop ships used for transporting the 60th Reg of Foot to the Cape in 1811, I came across two sites that may be of interest to those looking for shipping information: 1) Google: "Lloyd's Marine List" then select "Lloyd's List - Books Boxes and Boats" 2) Google: "Hathi Trust Digital Library" (Contains a vast range of topics). Key in your selection criteria eg "British Naval vessels 1811" etc Hope this will be of use to someone? Brian Benningfield Phones: 27(0)832759857 or 27(0)219758695 Fax: 27(0)866848582 Skype: brianben44 E-Mail: <mailto:brian.ben44@gmail.com> brian.ben44@gmail.com Researching: The BEN(N)INGFIELD; EYBERS; van TUBBERGH; DANIEL; VAN ASWEGEN; LATSKY and related families.

Attached some info on Christoffel Johannes Visagie I could find on ancestry.com and other places. Denise Wheeler Pretoria On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:40 AM, AnneMarie Ferreira via < south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello > > I was googling "Sterkfontein Wyk No 2 Wakkerstroom" and then I came across > a Gidion Jacobus Visagie and other information on rootsweb. ancestry.com. > I cannot access Ancestry. I was wondering if anyone on the list is > researching Visagie and/or van der Heyden and recognises these names. > > I am looking for information on Christoffel Johannes Visagie (born around > 1800 ?? ) who was married to Isabella Frederika van der Heyde(n). Their > daughter Fransina Elisabeth Visagie married Lucas Ignatius Dreyer on 3 May > 1847 in Colesberg. Lucas Ignatius Dreyer was born on 1 Oct 1828 in the Cape > Colony and died on 8 May 1893 at Sterkfontein Wyk No 2 Wakkerstroom. > > The names Fransina Elisabeth and Isabella Frederika seem to be very > prominent in the Visagie family but I cannot get any information for my > Christoffel Johannes Visagie. > > If this is familiar to anyone, please contact me. > > Kind regards > Annemarie Ferreira > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bedford is a town in the centre of the Eastern Cape province of South Africa. It was established in the mid-19th century when Sir Andries Stockenstroom sold portions of land from his farm Maastroom to raise funds for the restoration of his library, which had been burnt by British soldiers mistrustful of his attempts to broker peace in one of the Cape Frontier Wars. It is located on the southern edge of the Winterberg mountain range, in the smaldeel (a narrow strip of grass land running laterally from Fort Beaufort to Somerset East, renowned for its sweet grass). The town suffered a major decline in fortunes in the latter half of the 20th century before reviving itself around the turn of the millennium. It is regarded today as an artist's haven and retirement village. The lack of industry in the town, while a boon to those hoping to escape the rat race, means that the town has a large unemployment rate. The woes of the poor are exacerbated by a high HIV-AIDS infection rate. The Bedford Provincial Hospital is situated in Maitland street, only 3 blocks northwest of the small CBD. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford,_Eastern_Cape I would say predominantly farming in those days. -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Frykberg via Sent: 15 February 2015 08:04 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Fw: Walker family in New Zealand Can anyone here help David, please? the Walker family who came to NZ were part of the Ainslie family too. But Rob Walker is dead now and I think I may be able to find his wife but will need a bit of time. Pat From: David Luke Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 5:19 AM To: Pat Frykberg Subject: Re: Walker family in New Zealand ?Thank you for your prompt reply Pat, and for the links to the NZ Society. It is of interest that a number of "my people" started off in the Eastern Cape and moved to Durban around the 1880s. It is interesting that you mention Bedford. My 2g grandfather, William McGregor, emigrated from England in 1873, apparently to Port Elizabeth. The next information I have is that he died in 1880, in Bedford. Do you have any idea what was happening in or around Bedford that would have drawn him there? David

On Feb 16, 2015, at 1:10 AM, David wrote: > My 2g grandfather, William McGregor, emigrated from England in 1873, > apparently to Port Elizabeth. > The next information I have is that he died in 1880, in Bedford. > Do you have any idea what was happening in or around Bedford that would have > drawn him there? Dear David, I can tell you quite a bit about Bedford in those days. My great grandfather's autobiography(Alexander James KIDWELL) has quite a bit about it as the family farm was within a day's ride of Bedford back then. Bedford was a bustling town in the middle of a sheep farming area. Farmers within a day or so's ride of Bedford could find all kinds of supplies there, from candles, lanterns, buckets, irons, and cloth for clothing, to ploughs and dam scrapers (both the latter invented by Thomas KIDWELL my GG grandfather) and wagons (which he also made). It is also where farmers went for medical help. For example Thomas's wife was taken in to Bedford in her final month of pregnancy to stay there to be near a doctor as she was not well at the time. Thomas would ride in on weekends to see her. (Sadly he was ambushed and murdered on his way home after one such visit, so he was not carrying money for his sheep clip as the murderers assumed). In Bedford you could find a bank, a hotel, a post office, a pub, a lawyer, a doctor, a surveyor and other skilled folks that might be needed in business or farming. Farming auctions were held there. Farmers took in their clip to be sold to the highest bidder. Your forebear could have had any of a dozen professions, useful in Bedford. Do any records state a profession? Marriage and death certificates of that time often do, under "condition in life". Also the Baptist chapel was there, as there were many Baptist settlers in the area, and the church was full of social activity. People helped each other through hardships. There was no school. Children had to "go away" to school in Grahamstown to get any formal education, and older kids often taught the younger ones what they learned. The kids had to work hard on the farm. The ability to write well, and "understand figures" was highy prized and essential to farmers who were after all in business, needing to make contracts and finance activities, as were those in town with whom they contracted. The area farmers had to have somewhere to supply all those business needs. So Bedford was one of the main E Cape town centres to support the surrounding farming activity. Transport on hoseback limited the area that could be reasonably served by one center, but Bedford was "on the main road North" and so they had more busienss than average towns of the time, from passing wagons needing repair, supplies and fresh horses/oxen and a place to overnight. The countryside was ideal for sheep farming (still is) being quite dry with sparse vegetation in low scrub bush style. But farmers generally also kept a few cows and some goats, the goats mainly to supply milk in winter as the cows dried up then. I hope that gives a bit of a picture of Bedford in about 1880. Climate is drier and cooler than Natal, which might also have been a factor. You migt also look into conditions in Natal at the time, which may have chased him away, especially political conditions. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.Furryboots.info (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

I have stumbled upon Walker relatives in Pietermaritzburg descended from Henry Percival Walker (b.1827). He and his wife Emma Thompson appear to have had a number of children - Sophia Mary Ann (b.1854), William Arthur (b.1861), Albert Edwards (b.1863), Charles Edwards (b.1865), Susan Emily (b.1869) and Walter George (b.1871). I’m afraid I haven’t managed to research them yet though. Christian > On 16 Feb 2015, at 08:00, south-africa-eastern-cape-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Fw: Walker family in New Zealand (Pat Frykberg) > > From: Pat Frykberg <patfryk@clear.net.nz> > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Date: 15 February 2015 18:04:23 GMT > Reply-To: Pat Frykberg <patfryk@clear.net.nz>, south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] Fw: Walker family in New Zealand > > > Can anyone here help David, please? the Walker family who came to NZ were part of the Ainslie family too. But Rob Walker is dead now and I think I may be able to find his wife but will need a bit of time. > Pat > > > From: David Luke > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 5:19 AM > To: Pat Frykberg > Subject: Re: Walker family in New Zealand > > > ?Thank you for your prompt reply Pat, and for the links to the NZ Society. > > > > > > It is of interest that a number of "my people" started off in the Eastern Cape and moved to Durban around the 1880s. > > > > > > It is interesting that you mention Bedford. > > > My 2g grandfather, William McGregor, emigrated from England in 1873, apparently to Port Elizabeth. > > > The next information I have is that he died in 1880, in Bedford. > > > Do you have any idea what was happening in or around Bedford that would have drawn him there? > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: Pat Frykberg <patfryk@clear.net.nz> > Sent: February 14, 2015 10:49 PM > To: David Luke > Subject: Re: Walker family in New Zealand > > I doubt it David. My lot (not my family but a friend whose family i helped trace) were Eastern Province of the Cape. Bedford to be precise. Very early settlers. My Walker family, Rob and Noelle came to NZ in 1952. May I suggest that you write to the the NZ Society of Genealogists. They have wonderful records or may put this in a query column. > email cemeteries@genealogy.org.nz. or > researchservice@genealogy.org.nz > Sorry not to be of closer help. Good luck with this > Patricia Frykberg > > > > From: David Luke > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 2:37 AM > To: Patricia Frykberg > Subject: Walker family in New Zealand > > > Hello, > > > I picked your name from a 2005 thread on South African Walkers on Rootschat. > > > > > > I have a Herbert Bertram Walker born about 1874, probably in South Africa. > > > He married my great aunt Katherine Alice McGregor Luke in Durban 9 Aug 1911. > > > They then emigrated to New Zealand. I have them in Lower Riccarton in 1917. > > > They had a son Henry Luke Walker born about 1912, apparently in Durban, and died in 1975, > > > in New Zealand. > > > > > > Are these people any relation to your Walkers? > > > > > > I hope this is still an email address you use! > > > > > > Regards > > > David Luke > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1434 / Virus Database: 4257/8609 - Release Date: 02/14/15 > > > > To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE list administrator, send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE mailing list, send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text.

Hello I was googling "Sterkfontein Wyk No 2 Wakkerstroom" and then I came across a Gidion Jacobus Visagie and other information on rootsweb. ancestry.com. I cannot access Ancestry. I was wondering if anyone on the list is researching Visagie and/or van der Heyden and recognises these names. I am looking for information on Christoffel Johannes Visagie (born around 1800 ?? ) who was married to Isabella Frederika van der Heyde(n). Their daughter Fransina Elisabeth Visagie married Lucas Ignatius Dreyer on 3 May 1847 in Colesberg. Lucas Ignatius Dreyer was born on 1 Oct 1828 in the Cape Colony and died on 8 May 1893 at Sterkfontein Wyk No 2 Wakkerstroom. The names Fransina Elisabeth and Isabella Frederika seem to be very prominent in the Visagie family but I cannot get any information for my Christoffel Johannes Visagie. If this is familiar to anyone, please contact me. Kind regards Annemarie Ferreira

Can anyone here help David, please? the Walker family who came to NZ were part of the Ainslie family too. But Rob Walker is dead now and I think I may be able to find his wife but will need a bit of time. Pat From: David Luke Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 5:19 AM To: Pat Frykberg Subject: Re: Walker family in New Zealand ?Thank you for your prompt reply Pat, and for the links to the NZ Society. It is of interest that a number of "my people" started off in the Eastern Cape and moved to Durban around the 1880s. It is interesting that you mention Bedford. My 2g grandfather, William McGregor, emigrated from England in 1873, apparently to Port Elizabeth. The next information I have is that he died in 1880, in Bedford. Do you have any idea what was happening in or around Bedford that would have drawn him there? David -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pat Frykberg <patfryk@clear.net.nz> Sent: February 14, 2015 10:49 PM To: David Luke Subject: Re: Walker family in New Zealand I doubt it David. My lot (not my family but a friend whose family i helped trace) were Eastern Province of the Cape. Bedford to be precise. Very early settlers. My Walker family, Rob and Noelle came to NZ in 1952. May I suggest that you write to the the NZ Society of Genealogists. They have wonderful records or may put this in a query column. email cemeteries@genealogy.org.nz. or researchservice@genealogy.org.nz Sorry not to be of closer help. Good luck with this Patricia Frykberg From: David Luke Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 2:37 AM To: Patricia Frykberg Subject: Walker family in New Zealand Hello, I picked your name from a 2005 thread on South African Walkers on Rootschat. I have a Herbert Bertram Walker born about 1874, probably in South Africa. He married my great aunt Katherine Alice McGregor Luke in Durban 9 Aug 1911. They then emigrated to New Zealand. I have them in Lower Riccarton in 1917. They had a son Henry Luke Walker born about 1912, apparently in Durban, and died in 1975, in New Zealand. Are these people any relation to your Walkers? I hope this is still an email address you use! Regards David Luke -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1434 / Virus Database: 4257/8609 - Release Date: 02/14/15

I have added a file to eggsa at http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.php/grahamstown-journal/1173-grahamstown-journal-1864-1-january-to-march which despite its name only contains extracts from January to mid February 1864. This is because that is the date when I ran out of time taking photographs at the British Library. I will be going back, but for various reasons this cannot be before April. I shall be in London briefly to see my son this weekend and have booked a couple of hours at Kew, when I hope to photograph CO48/47. This is the file containing the final 1820 settler returns. I didn't photograph it when I did the original settler correspondence, as it is virtually the same as The Settler Handbook, which at the time was available online at genealogyworld. I thought it would make a good addition to the 1820 section on eggsa if I transcribed the final returns into easily readable tables. I'll be adding them gradually behind the scenes as and when I have time, and will let you know when it goes live. Bye for now Sue

Hello Elaine, Edward and Charles are our family names and come from the Field who came out with the 1820 Settlers. They still have the family farm at Thomas River between Stutterheim and Cathcart. I have not researched that side of the family yet. Regards Colleen Bowers nee Field. -----Original Message----- From: Elaine Van Zyl [mailto:elainevz@absamail.co.za] Sent: 11 February 2015 10:47 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Edward Charles Field Edward Charles Field was in the 32nd Regiment of Foot fr0m 1872 - 1875 and in the 80th Regiment of Foot from 1877 - 1879. He was married to Annie (?) and four of their six children Alice Elizabeth, Edward Charles, John William and Harriet Laura were baptised in King Williamstown. I have found no baptism for Sarah Ann who was born in about 1869. In 1881 the family was living in Cape Town and Edward Charles snr was a constable. He died on 4 May 1881 and was buried at St George's on 6 May 1881. Cannot find information on how he came to be in South Africa - did he join the military here or elsewhere? Where was he from? I am trying to find out Annie's maiden name and where she was from. She remarried in 1883. Her death was on 15 July 1915 but, this is unconfirmed. It is possible that she died in Natal as this is where Sarah Ann was married. We have estate files for most of the family members. Any information would be most welcome Regards Elaine --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hi Johan I am also researching the Ainslies but there surname was originally Ansley and Annersley and somehow changed to Ainslie. They arrived on the Sedgemoor as Aided Immigrants in 1860. Regards Heather From: Johan Ainslie via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: Johan Ainslie <ainsjj@gmail.com>, <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 2:15 PM To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ZA-EC] Thomas Ainslie What are the chances that there could have been 2 Sgt Thomas Ainslie? My Sgt Thomas came to South Africa in 1834 with the 91st and was stationed on St Helena where he got married in 1837 to Janet Kilgour. I also have a copy of a document from the SA Constabulary dated 1901 in which it is stated that a Sgt Thomas Ainslie received a Medal for service in the Cape, Transvaal and Wittebergen. Johan AINSLIE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What are the chances that there could have been 2 Sgt Thomas Ainslie? My Sgt Thomas came to South Africa in 1834 with the 91st and was stationed on St Helena where he got married in 1837 to Janet Kilgour. I also have a copy of a document from the SA Constabulary dated 1901 in which it is stated that a Sgt Thomas Ainslie received a Medal for service in the Cape, Transvaal and Wittebergen. Johan AINSLIE

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Hi Yvette and all Am reading through Morse Jones’ Roll of The British Settlers in South Africa and came across the entry for William ATMORE which says that he was a surveyor, sent from England in 1819 to help with the surveying of the locations for the parties of settlers that would arrive the following year. Apparently he was married on board ship to Ann Chamberlain. He later carried out surveys in the George, Mossel Bay and Swellendam districts. Kind regards Nikki From: Yvette Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 10:41 AM To: Nikki ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] More on Land Surveyor responsible for settlement of 1820settlers Thanks Nikki, fascinating, and what fertile guys these were. I saw one report from the Grahamstown Journal (link found in these posts) where a woman had 306 direct descendants (children, grandchildren, greats and great greats!) listed in her death notice! Yvette From: Nikki via Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:09 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] More on Land Surveyor responsible for settlement of 1820settlers Hi All Some time this month there was a discussion regarding the Land Surveyor who was responsible for surveying the 1820 settlements. Today I came across some info in a copy of Africana Notes and News September 1978 Vol 23. No.3. Excerpt from article entitled The Knobel and Von Buchenoder Tombs by R.R. Langham Carter. “.............. Knobel was appointed secretary of the Uitenhage District on 11 Oct 1804 and continued as secretary to the landdrost under British rule when this was restored in 1806. The Buchenroders lived with him and he married his Maria in Cape Town on 10 July 1809. Knobel worked as a sworn surveyor in the Uitenhage and Albany districts from 1813 to 1822. He was responsible for the survey of Grahamstown in 1814 and he designed the first Dutch Reformed Church in Uitehage three years later. This was erected in 1822 and declared a national monument in 1966. In 1820 the Uitenhage landdrost Colonel J.G. Cuyler and Knobel were among those who met the settlers at Algoa Bay, and on 18 April they set out with the first parties to their grants which Knobel had surveyed. And he planned the lay-out of the new town of Bathurst in the following July.” It would seem that Mr Knobel was a pretty industrious fellow as the article goes on to say that Mrs Knobel gave birth to eleven children in seventeen years! She died in 1827 not longer after giving birth to her twelfth!! Kind regards Nikki Sedgefield No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.935 / Virus Database: 4257.1.1/8512 - Release Date: 01/28/15 04:01:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.935 / Virus Database: 4257.1.1/8518 - Release Date: 01/29/15 04:01:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.935 / Virus Database: 4257.1.1/8600 - Release Date: 02/12/15 04:01:00

Hi Brian Yes, I have checked FamilySearch, both indexed items and images. I have the marriage of Sarah Ann and also the baptism of Ellen Edith. We've found all the other children too and I've been to the archives and taken photos of all the estate files for the family. It was when I found Ellen Edith's baptism that we discovered that her father wasn't who we thought it was so now the challenge is to find out about Edward Charles and his wife Annie. Regards Elaine -----Original Message----- From: Brian Benningfield [mailto:aurora@netactive.co.za] Sent: 11 February 2015 11:52 AM To: elainevz@absamail.co.za; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Edward Charles Field Hi Elaine Have you tried the familysearch.org website? There are entries for Sarah Ann Field born 1869 married to James Sinclair and for baptism of Ellen Edith Field daughter of Edward Charles and Annie Field. I hope this helps Brian Benningfield Phones: 27(0)832759857 or 27(0)219758695    Fax: 27(0)866848582 Skype: brianben44   E-Mail: brian.ben44@gmail.com Researching: The BEN(N)INGFIELD; EYBERS; van TUBBERGH; DANIEL; VAN ASWEGEN; LATSKY and related families. -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elaine Van Zyl via Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 10:47 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Edward Charles Field Edward Charles Field was in the 32nd Regiment of Foot fr0m 1872 - 1875 and in the 80th Regiment of Foot from 1877 - 1879. He was married to Annie (?) and four of their six children Alice Elizabeth, Edward Charles, John William and Harriet Laura were baptised in King Williamstown. I have found no baptism for Sarah Ann who was born in about 1869. In 1881 the family was living in Cape Town and Edward Charles snr was a constable. He died on 4 May 1881 and was buried at St George's on 6 May 1881. Cannot find information on how he came to be in South Africa - did he join the military here or elsewhere? Where was he from? I am trying to find out Annie's maiden name and where she was from. She remarried in 1883. Her death was on 15 July 1915 but, this is unconfirmed. It is possible that she died in Natal as this is where Sarah Ann was married. We have estate files for most of the family members. Any information would be most welcome Regards Elaine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2249 / Virus Database: 4257/8594 - Release Date: 02/11/15 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 10261 (20140815) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 10261 (20140815) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

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