Hi Rod, from an unseasonably warm England. You may need to supply more context to your request The Downs, Kent is actually a very important historic area of sea off the Kent coast. See this Wikipedia explanation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Downs There is indeed a Thomas FRANCIS, born 1820, in the 1851 census as a Royal Marine stationed at Woolwich, Greenwich, handy for accessing any ship setting sail for The Downs. Not sure this is helpful to you really. Sorry. Moira From: rodg Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 6:17 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com ; Paul TT Subject: [ZA-EC] The Downs Good evening all from a slowly cooling Cape Town, Thomas FRANCIS, 1820, came from The Downs. Kent. Years ago I camped on Mr BARAGWANITH,s farm called The Downs. Could there be a link there somewhere? Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

I am going to London tomorrow and will hopefully be able to photograph the Grahamstown Journal from 1864-1870 (there may be gaps). This is quite well timed, as I have just finished going through the 1820 settlers to see if there are any more files I can add to the Extra Info section, as more original registers become accessible. Files have been added for John ADDEY http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/a-surnames/1972-addey-john-extra-data George ASHBROOK http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/a-surnames/1973-ashbrook-george-extra-data Thomas BAKER (Bradshaw's Party) http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/b-surnames/1974-baker-thomas-extra-data Thomas BEARDMORE http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/b-surnames/1975-beardmore-thomas-extra-data The South African Settlers site and many online trees have Thomas BEARDMORE baptised in Charterhouse Chapel in 1773, but this Thomas was the son of the Rev Samuel BERDMORE, the Master of Charterhouse School, and went to Cambridge and was then admitted to Lincoln's Inn, so he is not the 1820 settler James EKRON http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/e-surnames/1976-ekron-james-extra-data William NEWTH http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/n-surnames/1978-newth-william-extra-data Several online sources say William NEWTH Junior was killed by the Xhosa in 1845. He is not mentioned in Morse Jones' list of those killed in the Frontier Wars and his CMR Service Record shows that he was still alive when he was discharged in 1850. Thomas PRINGLE http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/p-surnames/1979-pringle-thomas-extra-data Thomas ROBINSON http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/r-surnames/1980-robinson-thomas-extra-data James SMITH (Wilkinson's Party) http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/s-surnames/1971-smith-james-wilkinson-s-party-extra-data Charles Jervis Buchan SYDSERFF http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/s-surnames/1977-sydserff-charles-jervis-buchan-extra-data James TEMLETT http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/t-surnames/1981-temlett-james-extra-data Charles TUDOR http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/t-surnames/1982-tudor-charles-extra-data Daniel VENABLES http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/uvw-surnames/1983-venables-daniel-extra-data Richard and Joseph WALKER http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/uvw-surnames/1984-walker-richard-and-joseph-extra-data All the best Sue ers/index.php/additional-information/s-surnames/1971-smith-james-wilkinson-s-party-extra-data

Good evening all from a slowly cooling Cape Town, Thomas FRANCIS, 1820, came from The Downs. Kent. Years ago I camped on Mr BARAGWANITH,s farm called The Downs. Could there be a link there somewhere? Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Hi Folks, Anyone heading down to Cape Town Repository, can you please do a look up for my family member please! I am mostly interested in the Death Notice information, but any else would also be appreciated! There details are as follows... DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 6/9/3161 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 15261 PART 1 DESCRIPTION ROOS, STEPHANUS JOHANNES. ESTATE PAPERS. STARTING 19270000 ENDING 19270000 Thanks kindly folks! Kindest regards Christine Weaver

If you want to contact me off list denise.genealogyresearch@gmail.com I can try and look in the death register at the Pietermaritzburg Archives. I do not know what kind of information you can get though. I normally only look up the birth registers. Never thought about the death ones. Regards Denise -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Saul Issroff via Sent: 15 April 2015 01:46 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Fort Napier Records. David Lurie I had a second cousin , a David Lurie, who was a patient and died in Frort Napier. i have this: LURIE David 1968/05/04 Pietermaritzburg, Mountain Rise but have never managed to get any response from them about his illness and the cause of death. Anyone know how to access his records? He was transferred there from Weskoppies in Pretoria. ? Saul Issroff London ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rod, Once again e-mail returned. Sorry it's taken so long. The only other info that I could find was that the plot was a half plot bought by H Jones on the 18.08.1959. His address is given as Souwest, Schoenmakerskop. At the time of Harold Alfred's death he was living at Fort England Hospital, Grahamstown. The plot is definitely 10-B-25S Regards, Carol

Thank you Denise. I wrote to the Mental Institutions in Pietermaritzburg some while ago enquiring about Gertie CLAASSEN and although I received one reply promising to help if they could ,I have not been able to find out anything further about her. Thanks for your help David. -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Denise Igesund via Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2015 7:06 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Town Hill Mental Hospital, Pietermaritzburg. I Know this is an old email that I am answering but another mental hospital in Pietermaritzburg is Fort Napier. This still exists and is in Napierville Pietermaritzburg. -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tombi Peck Sent: 06 July 2014 04:24 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Town Hill Mental Hospital, Pietermaritzburg. The mental institution at Pietermaritzburg was called Town Hill Hospital. I have two pictures of the place as my father in law died there in about 1971. I don't know if it still exists. If you would like the photographs please let me know. I cannot send them via the list. Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----- Original Message ----- From: <djthorn@bigpond.net.au> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2014 2:35 AM Subject: [ZA-EC] Gertruida Anna Maria CLAASSEN > Hello Listers, > > Can anyone help me with the name of a mental institution in > Pietermaritzburg. I am not sure if the place still exists or whether > one can access their records. > > I am trying to trace Gertie CLAASSEN who was admitted there in about > 1945/6 > and died there some years later. She was born at Weza Natal on 18 Jul > 1927 but I am not sure of her correct names and do not know exact > dates of admission or death. > > Many thanks, > David from Nelson Bay Australia. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had a second cousin , a David Lurie, who was a patient and died in Frort Napier. i have this: LURIE David 1968/05/04 Pietermaritzburg, Mountain Rise but have never managed to get any response from them about his illness and the cause of death. Anyone know how to access his records? He was transferred there from Weskoppies in Pretoria. ? Saul Issroff London

I Know this is an old email that I am answering but another mental hospital in Pietermaritzburg is Fort Napier. This still exists and is in Napierville Pietermaritzburg. -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tombi Peck Sent: 06 July 2014 04:24 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Town Hill Mental Hospital, Pietermaritzburg. The mental institution at Pietermaritzburg was called Town Hill Hospital. I have two pictures of the place as my father in law died there in about 1971. I don't know if it still exists. If you would like the photographs please let me know. I cannot send them via the list. Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----- Original Message ----- From: <djthorn@bigpond.net.au> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2014 2:35 AM Subject: [ZA-EC] Gertruida Anna Maria CLAASSEN > Hello Listers, > > Can anyone help me with the name of a mental institution in > Pietermaritzburg. I am not sure if the place still exists or whether > one can access their records. > > I am trying to trace Gertie CLAASSEN who was admitted there in about > 1945/6 > and died there some years later. She was born at Weza Natal on 18 Jul > 1927 but I am not sure of her correct names and do not know exact > dates of admission or death. > > Many thanks, > David from Nelson Bay Australia. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If, so, would it be possible to do a quick lookup for me? I am looking for the mother's name of William Brooks born 1810 in England, married to Eva Johanna Luck. The ref I have is D/N....MOOC.....6/9/117...reference 3132 Liq. and Dist account. A transcription has William's mother's name as Marian, but I think it should be Hannah. I'm looking for a confirmer either way Many thanks -- Paul Tanner-Tremaine Hampshire, England email : eighteentwenty@btinternet.com website : www.1820Settlers.com

Sue, If there was a geni award for work above and beyond, you would surely get it. Thank you for your selfless effort over the years in revealing our ancestors to us. Eira Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Apr 2015, at 4:31 pm, Sue Mackay <rhoosesue@outlook.com> wrote: > > Just to let you know that I am back from holiday and the eggsa 1820 settler and newspaper sections are as up to date as I can make them. > > > Clive Jones has completed 1883 for BMDs from the Cape Times and all his transcriptions from 1881-1883 can be viewed at > http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.php/cape-times > > > All the Settler Returns have been completed and can be viewed at > http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/settler-returns > > I have also improved the tables in the rest of the correspondence for ease of viewing and updated some links. The setting has now been restored to show Recently Updated files, so keep an eye out for any Extra Info files that have been added/amended. > > http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/ > > > I hope to photograph some more Grahamstown Journals in the next few weeks. > > > Sue >

Hi Rod, Plot 10-B-25S Regards, Carol -----Original Message----- From: rodg Sent: 12 April, 2015 10:05 AM To: Carol Beneke ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Forrest Hill Cemetery Hi Carol, yes that is he. My aunts husband and his first wife. I will have to check my blocked list at work tomorrow as I am technologically disadvantaged when it comes to checking via a phone. Thanks for your help and my apologies if your address became blocked. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Carol Beneke via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sender: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 09:40:13 To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: Carol Beneke <carme@iafrica.com>, south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Forrest Hill Cemetery Hi Rod, The e-mail I'm sending you is being returned for the following reason rodg@tiscali.co.za SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<rodg@tiscali.co.za>: host cpt-mx.mweb.co.za [196.28.149.150]: 550 Sender is blacklisted Please check your blocked sender list. Please let me know if the following is correct. Would Harold Albert JONES be the husband of Mary A died 1959? Regards, Carol -----Original Message----- From: Carol Beneke Sent: 11 April, 2015 8:46 PM To: Carol Beneke ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Forrest Hill Cemetery Hi Rod, The grave number is not a valid Forest Hill grave no. Please send me the person details off list. I have the whole register and can get the correct grave number off this. Regards, Carol -----Original Message----- From: Carol Beneke via Sent: 11 April, 2015 8:35 PM To: rodg@tiscali.co.za ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Forrest Hill Cemetery Hi Rod, I'll find out for you early in the week. Will get back to you soonest. Regards, Carol -----Original Message----- From: rodg via Sent: 11 April, 2015 8:29 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Forrest Hill Cemetery Good Eveving all, Could someone advice how I can confirm who a grave belongs to? The grave is No. 3/J/3 in the Forrest Hill Cemetery. I have a letter sent to the PE municipality wherein my aunt sent a cheque for R140 for the maintenance of the grave for 25 years. Less than R6 a year. I have a suspision the grave could belong to Arthur Redvous JONES her stepson. My request for information from PE has to date not rendered any joy. Can anyone kindly assist. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rod, The e-mail I'm sending you is being returned for the following reason rodg@tiscali.co.za SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<rodg@tiscali.co.za>: host cpt-mx.mweb.co.za [196.28.149.150]: 550 Sender is blacklisted Please check your blocked sender list. Please let me know if the following is correct. Would Harold Albert JONES be the husband of Mary A died 1959? Regards, Carol -----Original Message----- From: Carol Beneke Sent: 11 April, 2015 8:46 PM To: Carol Beneke ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Forrest Hill Cemetery Hi Rod, The grave number is not a valid Forest Hill grave no. Please send me the person details off list. I have the whole register and can get the correct grave number off this. Regards, Carol -----Original Message----- From: Carol Beneke via Sent: 11 April, 2015 8:35 PM To: rodg@tiscali.co.za ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Forrest Hill Cemetery Hi Rod, I'll find out for you early in the week. Will get back to you soonest. Regards, Carol -----Original Message----- From: rodg via Sent: 11 April, 2015 8:29 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Forrest Hill Cemetery Good Eveving all, Could someone advice how I can confirm who a grave belongs to? The grave is No. 3/J/3 in the Forrest Hill Cemetery. I have a letter sent to the PE municipality wherein my aunt sent a cheque for R140 for the maintenance of the grave for 25 years. Less than R6 a year. I have a suspision the grave could belong to Arthur Redvous JONES her stepson. My request for information from PE has to date not rendered any joy. Can anyone kindly assist. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carol, yes that is he. My aunts husband and his first wife. I will have to check my blocked list at work tomorrow as I am technologically disadvantaged when it comes to checking via a phone. Thanks for your help and my apologies if your address became blocked. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Carol Beneke via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sender: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 09:40:13 To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: Carol Beneke <carme@iafrica.com>, south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Forrest Hill Cemetery Hi Rod, The e-mail I'm sending you is being returned for the following reason rodg@tiscali.co.za SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<rodg@tiscali.co.za>: host cpt-mx.mweb.co.za [196.28.149.150]: 550 Sender is blacklisted Please check your blocked sender list. Please let me know if the following is correct. Would Harold Albert JONES be the husband of Mary A died 1959? Regards, Carol -----Original Message----- From: Carol Beneke Sent: 11 April, 2015 8:46 PM To: Carol Beneke ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Forrest Hill Cemetery Hi Rod, The grave number is not a valid Forest Hill grave no. Please send me the person details off list. I have the whole register and can get the correct grave number off this. Regards, Carol -----Original Message----- From: Carol Beneke via Sent: 11 April, 2015 8:35 PM To: rodg@tiscali.co.za ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Forrest Hill Cemetery Hi Rod, I'll find out for you early in the week. Will get back to you soonest. Regards, Carol -----Original Message----- From: rodg via Sent: 11 April, 2015 8:29 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Forrest Hill Cemetery Good Eveving all, Could someone advice how I can confirm who a grave belongs to? The grave is No. 3/J/3 in the Forrest Hill Cemetery. I have a letter sent to the PE municipality wherein my aunt sent a cheque for R140 for the maintenance of the grave for 25 years. Less than R6 a year. I have a suspision the grave could belong to Arthur Redvous JONES her stepson. My request for information from PE has to date not rendered any joy. Can anyone kindly assist. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rod, The grave number is not a valid Forest Hill grave no. Please send me the person details off list. I have the whole register and can get the correct grave number off this. Regards, Carol -----Original Message----- From: Carol Beneke via Sent: 11 April, 2015 8:35 PM To: rodg@tiscali.co.za ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Forrest Hill Cemetery Hi Rod, I'll find out for you early in the week. Will get back to you soonest. Regards, Carol -----Original Message----- From: rodg via Sent: 11 April, 2015 8:29 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Forrest Hill Cemetery Good Eveving all, Could someone advice how I can confirm who a grave belongs to? The grave is No. 3/J/3 in the Forrest Hill Cemetery. I have a letter sent to the PE municipality wherein my aunt sent a cheque for R140 for the maintenance of the grave for 25 years. Less than R6 a year. I have a suspision the grave could belong to Arthur Redvous JONES her stepson. My request for information from PE has to date not rendered any joy. Can anyone kindly assist. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rod, I'll find out for you early in the week. Will get back to you soonest. Regards, Carol -----Original Message----- From: rodg via Sent: 11 April, 2015 8:29 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Forrest Hill Cemetery Good Eveving all, Could someone advice how I can confirm who a grave belongs to? The grave is No. 3/J/3 in the Forrest Hill Cemetery. I have a letter sent to the PE municipality wherein my aunt sent a cheque for R140 for the maintenance of the grave for 25 years. Less than R6 a year. I have a suspision the grave could belong to Arthur Redvous JONES her stepson. My request for information from PE has to date not rendered any joy. Can anyone kindly assist. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Eveving all, Could someone advice how I can confirm who a grave belongs to? The grave is No. 3/J/3 in the Forrest Hill Cemetery. I have a letter sent to the PE municipality wherein my aunt sent a cheque for R140 for the maintenance of the grave for 25 years. Less than R6 a year. I have a suspision the grave could belong to Arthur Redvous JONES her stepson. My request for information from PE has to date not rendered any joy. Can anyone kindly assist. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Just to let you know that I am back from holiday and the eggsa 1820 settler and newspaper sections are as up to date as I can make them. Clive Jones has completed 1883 for BMDs from the Cape Times and all his transcriptions from 1881-1883 can be viewed at http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.php/cape-times All the Settler Returns have been completed and can be viewed at http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/settler-returns I have also improved the tables in the rest of the correspondence for ease of viewing and updated some links. The setting has now been restored to show Recently Updated files, so keep an eye out for any Extra Info files that have been added/amended. http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/ I hope to photograph some more Grahamstown Journals in the next few weeks. Sue

Once again we need a bit of help.  I have had a batch of 22 photographs submitted by the grand-daughter of Julia Dorothy Lloyd  for identification.  It is possible that they are of the Clarke or Sheppard family as the album came from Julia Dorothy who married Frances Lloyd: Thomas Clarke 1780 m. Eleanor Adelaide (Taylor) 1785. on the La Belle Alliance Son Thomas John Clarke 1807 m. Frances Clarke 1813-1845 then m Julia Ann Clarke (Muir). Daughter from second marriage was Jesse Agnes Clarke. 1865 married David Frederick Sheppard who d. 1926 Daughter Julia Dorothy 1894 m Frances Lloyd. The photos are at: www.1820settlers.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=3657 Any help in identifying those in these photos will be appreciated. Many Thanks paul@1820settlers.com -- Paul Tanner-Tremaine Hampshire, England email      : eighteentwenty@btinternet.com website    : www.1820Settlers.com

This section of their Terms and Conditions is also rather unhelpful Rule 36 - Under no circumstances may the Library's electronic collections be photographed, viewed on or downloaded onto external networks or personal equipment. I stopped in the pre-registration process at that point and closed the link to the form I was filling in. Quite how all the 'future generations' (for whom we're told everything is being carefully preserved) will actually use the preserved resources I can't see. Regards, Moira From: David Luke Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 1:30 AM To: Hazel Dakers ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Use of British Library digitised materials online ?I tried again using the detailed URL from Hazel's email: http://eresources.remote.bl.uk:2048/login?url=http://infoweb.newsbank.com?d b=WHNPX&d_collections=WHNPAFR1? I logged in and immediately got this: bl.uk<http://www.bl.uk/> > Reading Room eResources Home As the login page stated, these resources are only available to St Pancras Registered readers with a valid photographic pass. Although you have registered online for a reader pass you need to complete the registration process by going to the Reader Registration Office at St Pancras, with your identification and proof of address, and collect your photographic pass. You are not fully registered until you have done this. The publisher's licence conditions only permit access to these resources by fully registered readers. So I'm not optimistic that we can gain access from afar. Pity. David Luke ________________________________ From: Hazel Dakers <hazel.dakers@blueyonder.co.uk> Sent: April 5, 2015 3:48 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Use of British Library digitised materials online Following a discussion some while ago, when one well-informed subscriber told the rest of us that the BL website includes runs of early Grahams Town Journals ( <http://eresources.remote.bl.uk:2048/login?url=http://infoweb.newsbank.com?d b=WHNPX&d_collections=WHNPAFR1> Readex: World Newspaper Archive: African Newspapers, 1800-1922) & a number of other items potentially of value to historians of South African families, I set about finding out how those of you unable to visit the BL to register as readers could benefit from these and other materials. This was the advice I received on behalf of my friends: "If your friends completed the online pre-registration for a readers pass, and then upgraded to an online account (creating a username and password) they would then be able to log in and use the remote eresources at <https://eresources.remote.bl.uk:2443/login> https://eresources.remote.bl.uk:2443/login . They can pre-register at http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/inrrooms/stp/register/howreg/howtoregister.html and can then upgrade that registration at https://ssoa.bl.uk/idp/Authn/UserPassword " I think you may also find more to explore. Hazel Dakers, London UK researching: BIRNBAUM (Zgierz & Lodz, Poland), GOLD (Zgierz & Lodz, Poland), HEIMANN (Luegde, Germany & South Africa), NORDEN (London and South Africa) <http://www.hazeldakers.co.uk> www.hazeldakers.co.uk<http://www.hazeldakers.co.uk>