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Hi Folks! Does anyone know how to obtain Death Certificates from the years 1948 and the year 1959, issued in the Eastern Transvaal? It would be lovely if they are online somewhere! Any help appreciated! Kind regards Christine Weaver

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Hi Rod, I had a quick scan through the UK newspapers of that time just using the search terms Fort Beaufort. Not much reward for the 1830's, but quite a bit for the period 1840 - 1845 See items below, which are not all, but those which looked to be the most informative - Best wishes, Moira Under the sub-heading INFANTRY - "72d - Letters from Fort Beaufort, Cape of Good Hope dated the 13th of December state that the first division of the 72d, under Captain Boys [? very faint], was to embark for England on the Apollo troopship about the middle of January when that vessel was expected with part of the 25th to replace them" from - 16 March 1840 - Morning Post - London, London, England … "Colonel Hare has taken under his command the troops lately stationed at Fort Beaufort, comprising 1,200 men, suitably equipped with arms and ammunition. They include the 91st and 27th Regiments of Infantry, with the Cape Mounted Riflemen, and there can be no doubt of the success of the movement…" from Taunton Courier, and Western Advertiser 01 March 1843 "The 7th Dragoon Guards were at Graham's Town at the end of August, and the headquarters of the corps, under Colonel Kennedy, were about to proceed to Fort Beaufort." from Perthshire Advertiser 16 November 1843 "91st - This corps, consisting of two battalions, is at present very much detached, occupying Graham's Town, Fort Beaufort line of Fish river outposts, and Colesberg. Dysentry being very prevalent, several men have fallen victims to this disease." from Caledonian Mercury 11 July 1844 "91st - 1st and reserve battalions occupy Graham's [illegible because of page curve] Beaufort supplying the usual frontier outposts { illegible because of page curve] tachment at Colesbury on the borders of the {illegible ditto] Harding and McInroy retire from the service." from - Aberdeen Journal 9 April 1845 "On receipt of this intelligence at Colesberg, the troops there were marched, under the command of Major Campbell, 91st Regiment, to Alleman's Drift, which would be reinforced by a squadron of the 7th Dragoon Guards, Capt. Schonswar's troop having already marched from Graham's-town, and a second troop from Fort Beaufort. These were to join at Cradock, from whence they were to move forward under command of Lieutenant Colonel Richardson towards the disturbed country." from Morning Post 1 July 1845 "THE ARMY …. CAVALRY … 3rd Dragoon Guards - This regiment gives six plates, to be run for this month, at Fort Beaufort Races, Cape of Good Hope." from London Standard 24 June 1845 "THE SEVENTH DRAGOON GUARDS - Have had a brush with the Boers, between 200 and 300 miles from Fort Beaufort, their head-quarters. Owing to Colonel Richardson's admirable management, not a solider was sacrificed, and only two Boers were killed. [there is more detail of the engagement]" from Perthshire Advertiser 2 October 1845 From: rodg Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 8:28 AM To: SA List ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] British Military in SA Good Morning, Could someone more knowledgable in military history please assist. My g g g guncle George BROSTER b in Wrexham, Wales on 31 Oct 1807 joined the army circa 1825 and first went to India and then to South Africa. He married Ann VICE in Fort Beaufort on 19 June 1834. I have a note indicating he was made a Field Cornet in 1841 and died in 1845. He also acted as a doctor in Fort Beaufort. Would anyone which units were stationed in Fort Beaufort at that time? Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Good Morning, Could someone more knowledgable in military history please assist. My g g g guncle George BROSTER b in Wrexham, Wales on 31 Oct 1807 joined the army circa 1825 and first went to India and then to South Africa. He married Ann VICE in Fort Beaufort on 19 June 1834. I have a note indicating he was made a Field Cornet in 1841 and died in 1845. He also acted as a doctor in Fort Beaufort. Would anyone which units were stationed in Fort Beaufort at that time? Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Hi Mike - think we've had this conversation before - but just checking that it's not' The Sweeetnam Family in South Africa' that you're after. That's the Denis Patrick booklet that I have. Rgds Flick -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wright via Sent: 02 May 2015 09:20 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com; south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Sweetnam Family Hi All I am still trying to make contact (off-list please!) with a relative/descendant of Denis Herbert PATRICK, who compiled the privately distributed the SWEETNAM family tree document called "Thomas and Janet (Jane) Sweetnam and their Descendants in South Africa". Regards Mike Wright www.albany1820.com <http://www.albany1820.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Afternoon all from a very flu'y lister, I am back on the trail of my grandmother's family, the BROSTERs and their related branches. I have old letters indicating ties going back to 1066. They settled mostly in the Chester area where many of the family were either Mayor or Sherriff of Chester. Keith you once gave me some info on the BROSTER but I cannot find your email, would you possibly still have the info? The GRIFFITHS, MATTHEWS and CALDECOTT families are strongly linked in the UK. If any listers have these families in their trees please let me know. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Hi All I am still trying to make contact (off-list please!) with a relative/descendant of Denis Herbert PATRICK, who compiled the privately distributed the SWEETNAM family tree document called "Thomas and Janet (Jane) Sweetnam and their Descendants in South Africa". Regards Mike Wright www.albany1820.com <http://www.albany1820.com>

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The earlier editions of the Grahamstown Journal (up to 1853) are held at the National Archives at Kew and can be viewed without appointment in the Map Room on the second floor (you will need a reader's ticket) The more recent transcriptions I have been doing are from original copies held at the British Library. The newspapers are stored in Boston Spa in Yorkshire, but if you are registered with the British Library you can order them, on 48 hours' notice, to be viewed in the Newsroom at the British Library in St.Pancras, London (opposite St.Pancras station). They keep them for a couple of days before sending them back to Yorkshire. I was there on Friday and Saturday and photographed 1864-1867 inclusive, but didn't manage to get up to 1870, although I had ordered those. This was because there are more editions to go through (several a week) and after taking over 1300 photos I ran out of time and battery, even with a back-up battery, so left early on Saturday - just as well as it turned out, as there was rugby on in Cardiff and pandemonium at the station, so God knows when I would have got home had I left it any later. I have just updated the file for the first quarter of 1864, which previously only had January and a few issues in February http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.php/grahamstown-journal/1173-grahamstown-journal-1864-1-january-to-march Sue Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 07:19:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Settler Update From: bazder@ntlworld.com To: rhoosesue@outlook.com; south-africa@rootsweb.com Hi SueWonderful work you do.Where in London do you go to view these archives?Thank youRegardsCate On 23 April 2015 at 22:23, Sue Mackay via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> wrote: I am going to London tomorrow and will hopefully be able to photograph the Grahamstown Journal from 1864-1870 (there may be gaps). This is quite well timed, as I have just finished going through the 1820 settlers to see if there are any more files I can add to the Extra Info section, as more original registers become accessible.

The "Downs" in Limpopo (west of Tzaneen) is now incorporated in the Lekgalameetse Provincial Park. Quite remote. The whole area was settled by British Soldiers after WW1 & more than likely named after the Downs in UK. A lot of the farms in the area had British names. Members of the Baragwaneth family still lived there until about 10 years ago. Alan C -----Original Message----- From: rodg via Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 6:08 PM To: moira macdonald ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] The Downs Hi Moira, Thanks for your reply. I just thought there may have been a connection as the family I met at that time were wholly English speaking and had farmed that area for years. But still your inf is very interesting Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "moira macdonald" <munyori@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:08:37 To: <rodg@tiscali.co.za>; <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] The Downs Hi Rod, from an unseasonably warm England. You may need to supply more context to your request The Downs, Kent is actually a very important historic area of sea off the Kent coast. See this Wikipedia explanation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Downs There is indeed a Thomas FRANCIS, born 1820, in the 1851 census as a Royal Marine stationed at Woolwich, Greenwich, handy for accessing any ship setting sail for The Downs. Not sure this is helpful to you really. Sorry. Moira From: rodg Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 6:17 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com ; Paul TT Subject: [ZA-EC] The Downs Good evening all from a slowly cooling Cape Town, Thomas FRANCIS, 1820, came from The Downs. Kent. Years ago I camped on Mr BARAGWANITH,s farm called The Downs. Could there be a link there somewhere? Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Fascinating, Cathy. Of course I know of the Goodwin Sands but did not realise that C19th Downs were one and the same! I'd often wondered whether the retirement of one of my ancestors (Benjamin Norden) to Ramsgate was connected with its reasonable proximity to the ports of Dover and Folkestone but the Goodwin Sands/Deal area was probably closer. Many thanks indeed. Hazel -----Original Message----- From: Cathy [mailto:cathykent@mweb.co.za] Sent: 25 April 2015 10:09 To: dakers hazel; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE Digest, Vol 10, Issue 88 Something that may be of interest with regard to "The Downs" in Kent, Hazel. The follow is an extract from this site link - http://www.kent-opc.org/Parishes/News/Deal%20Wrecks%20Lost.html The Goodwin Sands are a great sandbank, eight miles long and about four miles wide, rising out of deep water four miles off Deal. Between the Goodwins and Deal lies a stretch of deep water, in which there is great anchorage for shipping. This area is known as the Downs. The 'sheltered' anchorage of the Downs is a relative term, even in this shelter the vessels are sometimes blown away from their anchorage, both by easterly and westerly winds and thus founder upon the Goodwin Sands or The Ship Swallower, as it is known. This website contains extracts from the Deal & Walmer Telegram Newspaper c. 1850 onwards relating to Wrecks & Rescues of the Goodwin Sands. All events are factual, and are written as they appeared in print. The above info is new to me too as my husband's Great grandmother hails from Deal, Kent. Regards Cathy -----Original Message----- From: dakers hazel via Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 10:34 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE Digest, Vol 10, Issue 88 I've lived in London most of my life and have only ever heard of the Sussex Downs - never Kent! Sussex is the County adjacent on the West side of Kent and includes Brighton, Worthing, Chichester along the coast. Sussex is now divided into East and West but even 50 years ago was just one County. Hazel Dakers Researching: NORDEN/NORTON, HEIMANN www.hazeldakers.co.uk On 25 April 2015 at 08:00, <south-africa-eastern-cape-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: The Downs (moira macdonald) > 2. Re: The Downs (rodg) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: moira macdonald <munyori@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <rodg@tiscali.co.za>, <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Cc: > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:08:37 +0100 > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] The Downs > Hi Rod, > from an unseasonably warm England. > > You may need to supply more context to your request > > The Downs, Kent is actually a very important historic area of sea off > the Kent coast. > See this Wikipedia explanation > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Downs > > There is indeed a Thomas FRANCIS, born 1820, in the 1851 census as a > Royal Marine stationed at Woolwich, Greenwich, handy for accessing any > ship setting sail for The Downs. > > Not sure this is helpful to you really. Sorry. > Moira > > > From: rodg > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 6:17 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com ; Paul TT > Subject: [ZA-EC] The Downs > > > Good evening all from a slowly cooling Cape Town, Thomas FRANCIS, > 1820, came from The Downs. Kent. > Years ago I camped on Mr BARAGWANITH,s farm called The Downs. > Could there be a link there somewhere? > > Regards > Rod g > Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device

apologies Hazel, meant to send this to the list. On Apr 25, 2015, at 12:10 PM, judith kennerdale <kennerdale@icloud.com> wrote: Could anybody please help me? I'm trying to find a marriage between Johannes Marthinus Lottering, also known as Marthinus Johannes, to Margrieta Magdalena Botha, as far as I know in Nylstroom, though date is unknown but before his death in 1945. Not methodists or episcopal is all I know.  Many thanks Judith

On Apr 25, 2015, at 12:10 PM, judith kennerdale <kennerdale@icloud.com> wrote: Could anybody please help me? I'm trying to find a marriage between Johannes Marthinus Lottering, also known as Marthinus Johannes, to Margrieta Magdalena Botha, as far as I know in Nylstroom, though date is unknown but before his death in 1945. Not methodists or episcopal is all I know.  Many thanks Judith

Could anybody please help me? I'm trying to find a marriage between Johannes Marthinus Lottering, also known as Marthinus Johannes, to Margrieta Magdalena Botha, as far as I know in Nylstroom, though date is unknown but before his death in 1945. Not methodists or episcopal is all I know.  Many thanks Judith

I've lived in London most of my life and have only ever heard of the Sussex Downs - never Kent! Sussex is the County adjacent on the West side of Kent and includes Brighton, Worthing, Chichester along the coast. Sussex is now divided into East and West but even 50 years ago was just one County. Hazel Dakers Researching: NORDEN/NORTON, HEIMANN www.hazeldakers.co.uk On 25 April 2015 at 08:00, <south-africa-eastern-cape-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: The Downs (moira macdonald) > 2. Re: The Downs (rodg) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: moira macdonald <munyori@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <rodg@tiscali.co.za>, <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Cc: > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:08:37 +0100 > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] The Downs > Hi Rod, > from an unseasonably warm England. > > You may need to supply more context to your request > > The Downs, Kent is actually a very important historic area of sea off the > Kent coast. > See this Wikipedia explanation > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Downs > > There is indeed a Thomas FRANCIS, born 1820, in the 1851 census as a Royal > Marine stationed at Woolwich, Greenwich, handy for accessing any ship > setting sail for The Downs. > > Not sure this is helpful to you really. Sorry. > Moira > > > From: rodg > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 6:17 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com ; Paul TT > Subject: [ZA-EC] The Downs > > > Good evening all from a slowly cooling Cape Town, > Thomas FRANCIS, 1820, came from The Downs. Kent. > Years ago I camped on Mr BARAGWANITH,s farm called The Downs. > Could there be a link there somewhere? > > Regards > Rod g > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: rodg <rodg@tiscali.co.za> > To: moira macdonald <munyori@blueyonder.co.uk>, " > south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com" < > south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Cc: > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 16:08:02 +0000 > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] The Downs > Hi Moira, > Thanks for your reply. I just thought there may have been a connection as > the family I met at that time were wholly English speaking and had farmed > that area for years. But still your inf is very interesting > Regards > Rod g > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: "moira macdonald" <munyori@blueyonder.co.uk> > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:08:37 > To: <rodg@tiscali.co.za>; <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] The Downs > > Hi Rod, > from an unseasonably warm England. > > You may need to supply more context to your request > > The Downs, Kent is actually a very important historic area of sea off the > Kent coast. > See this Wikipedia explanation > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Downs > > There is indeed a Thomas FRANCIS, born 1820, in the 1851 census as a Royal > Marine stationed at Woolwich, Greenwich, handy for accessing any ship > setting sail for The Downs. > > Not sure this is helpful to you really. Sorry. > Moira > > > From: rodg > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 6:17 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com ; Paul TT > Subject: [ZA-EC] The Downs > > > Good evening all from a slowly cooling Cape Town, > Thomas FRANCIS, 1820, came from The Downs. Kent. > Years ago I camped on Mr BARAGWANITH,s farm called The Downs. > Could there be a link there somewhere? > > Regards > Rod g > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > > > > To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE list administrator, send an email > to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE mailing list, send an > email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > >

Hi Moira, Thanks for your reply. I just thought there may have been a connection as the family I met at that time were wholly English speaking and had farmed that area for years. But still your inf is very interesting Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "moira macdonald" <munyori@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:08:37 To: <rodg@tiscali.co.za>; <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] The Downs Hi Rod, from an unseasonably warm England. You may need to supply more context to your request The Downs, Kent is actually a very important historic area of sea off the Kent coast. See this Wikipedia explanation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Downs There is indeed a Thomas FRANCIS, born 1820, in the 1851 census as a Royal Marine stationed at Woolwich, Greenwich, handy for accessing any ship setting sail for The Downs. Not sure this is helpful to you really. Sorry. Moira From: rodg Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 6:17 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com ; Paul TT Subject: [ZA-EC] The Downs Good evening all from a slowly cooling Cape Town, Thomas FRANCIS, 1820, came from The Downs. Kent. Years ago I camped on Mr BARAGWANITH,s farm called The Downs. Could there be a link there somewhere? Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device