Thanks All for your help with this mystery! It would appear that part of the mystery may be solved, but as so often with genealogical investigations, other cans of worms are being opened!! Here are the transcripts of the marriage record and birth registration (not baptismal record, as I said before) sent to me by Ellen Stanton: Marriage Certificate Entry #31 (it is not entirely clear to me what register this is… Anglican perhaps?) Husband: Alfred EDWARDS, 24, Bachelor, Saddler, Fort Beaufort Wife: Nancy Elizabeth COOKS, 27, Spinster Date: 10 Apr 1883 Location: The House, Adelaide By: P. Davidson Witnesses: James EDWARDS and Mary Ann COOKS Form of Information of a Birth: Name: None Entered Sex: Female Date of Birth: 27 Mar 1895 Place of Birth: High Street, Grahamstown (?) Father: Alfred EDWARDS, Saddler, 37, England (place of birth) Mother: Annie Elizabeth EDWARDS, formerly COOKS, Dressmaker, 30, Cape Colony Married: 11 Apr 1883 Previous Issue: 2 sons and 2 daughters Abode: Adelaide So, from this we now know that Alfred EDWARDS was NOT a descendent of the 1820 Settler EDWARDS family, but was born in England! End of that mystery! However, it would appear that the marriage record and the birth record don't really match up. Firstly, the marriage certificate has the bride's name as Nancy Elizabeth COOKS, not Annie (or Anna), which is how the mother of all the children (William Percy b. 1884, Alice Jane b. 1885, Cecil James b. 1886, Ivy May b. 1888, and Daughter 3 b. 1895) Secondly, on the marriage certificate, HE is 24 and SHE is 27, and then in the birth record 12 years later, HE is 37 and SHE is 30. Not only is the maths wrong, but Annie is younger than Alfred, but Nancy is older than Alfred! Could Nancy have died, and then Alfred went on to marry Nancy's younger sister, Annie? Well the argument against that would be that the date of marriage on the birth record is one day different to the date of marriage on the marriage certificate! It's possible that Nancy was her real name, but she preferred to be called Annie (or Anna), although on an official form like a birth record, I'd have thought the mother's real name would need to be entered, even if the baptismal records in the parishes used her nickname (unless, of course, she changed her name officially from Nancy to Annie!) However, this doesn't get around the fact that their ages don't match up between the marriage certificate and the birth record. To add to all this, the death record of Annie Elizabeth EDWARDS (née COOK) has her age as 52 years in 1913. That also doesn't match the above ages, for Annie or Nancy! <Sigh> I feel like we've found some jigsaw pieces that are a very, very close fit, but not quite right, but we're trying to force them in nevertheless!!! Regards Mike Wright www.albany1820.com From: Mike Wright [mailto:mike@albany1820.com] Sent: 31 May 2015 07:35 To: 'south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com'; 'south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: Cecil James EDWARDS The phenomenon who is Ellen Stanton has sent me the birth record of the child born in 1895 AND the marriage record of Alfred EDWARDS and Annie Elizabeth COOK!!  Alfred was 24 on 10 Apr 1883, which puts his dob in 1858/9, so we can now rule out Alfred Stephen EDWARDS (b. 1870).  Interestingly, though, Annie is recorded as being 27, which puts her dob in 1855/6, about 5 years before the date indicated by her civil death notice. Regards Mike Wright www.albany1820.com From: Mike Wright [mailto:mike@albany1820.com] Sent: 30 May 2015 22:27 To: 'south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com'; 'south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: Cecil James EDWARDS I believe I may have discovered Alfred’s wife’s death notice.  Details are: Name: Annie Elizabeth EDWARDS (born COOK) Abode: Adelaide Age: 52 years (born in the Cape Province) Marital Status: Divorced Occupation: Maternity Nurse Date of Death: 17 Jun 1913 Place of Death: Sterkstroom Intended Place of Burial: Adelaide Cause of Death: Heart Failure Signed by: C.J. Edwards (son of the deceased) C.J. Edwards must surely be “my” Cecil James EDWARDS, and most of the other details tie in well.  Her age at death would make her dob around 1861, so if Alfred Stephen EDWARDS (b. 6 Mar 1870) was her husband, she would have been about 25 years old to his 16 years old when Cecil James was born!!  Tracking back 9 months from Cecil’s date of birth (19 Dec 1886) would place his conception in about March 1870, so just after Alfred turned sweet sixteen, IF he was indeed the father! Does any of this ring any more bells with anyone?  COOK researchers, for example? There appears to have been another child born to Alfred and Annie Elizabeth, baptised in 1895, as per Ellen Stanton’s listing (father, mother, date of child’s baptism): LDS Microfilm #1926277 Birth Certificates: 1895 Item 3: Albany #143 Alfred EDWARDS, Annie Elizabeth COOKS?, 3/27/1895 Regards Mike Wright www.albany1820.com From: Mike Wright [mailto:mike@albany1820.com] Sent: 30 May 2015 09:11 To: 'south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com'; 'south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com' Subject: Cecil James EDWARDS Hi All Does anyone have any info on if and how the father of Cecil James EDWARDS fits into any of the known EDWARDS lines?  Here are the relevant transcriptions: Fort Beaufort Methodist Baptisms Entry #700 Child: Cecil James EDWARDS Parents: Alfred and Anna Elizabeth of Adelaide Born: 19 Dec 1886 Baptized: 12 Jan 1888 Adelaide Anglican (Christ Church) Marriages Entry #159 Husband: Cecil James EDWARDS, 25, Bachelor, Baker, Adelaide Wife: Annie Catherine ERASMUS, 20, Spinster, Adelaide Date: 26 Nov 1912 After Banns Parents Consent Witnesses: C L Sumner, D E Erasmus, Osmond Cookson So, any info on Alfred (possibly also referred to as Alfie) EDWARDS and/or his wife, Anna Elizabeth, will be greatly appreciated. By the way, my wife’s uncle, who is a grandson of Cecil James EDWARDS, tells me that Cecil insisted he was born in Dordrecht.  This could be true, but he was definitely baptised in Fort Beaufort, and his parents were from Adelaide.  Perhaps Anna Elizabeth’s parents lived in or near Dordrecht, and she went “home” for the birth? Regards Mike Wright www.albany1820.com

The phenomenon who is Ellen Stanton has sent me the birth record of the child born in 1895 AND the marriage record of Alfred EDWARDS and Annie Elizabeth COOK!! Alfred was 24 on 10 Apr 1883, which puts his dob in 1858/9, so we can now rule out Alfred Stephen EDWARDS (b. 1870). Interestingly, though, Annie is recorded as being 27, which puts her dob in 1855/6, about 5 years before the date indicated by her civil death notice. Regards Mike Wright <http://t.signaledue.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XYg1q0zH qW8p-TcR63BrClW2BW4zb56dTLQf9ddHv-02?t=http%3a%2f%2fwww.albany1820.com&si=64 18478855094272&pi=e6bb4a0a-1fd4-4993-8ddd-d3f4addaf178> www.albany1820.com From: Mike Wright [mailto:mike@albany1820.com] Sent: 30 May 2015 22:27 To: 'south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com'; 'south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: Cecil James EDWARDS I believe I may have discovered Alfred's wife's death notice. Details are: Name: Annie Elizabeth EDWARDS (born COOK) Abode: Adelaide Age: 52 years (born in the Cape Province) Marital Status: Divorced Occupation: Maternity Nurse Date of Death: 17 Jun 1913 Place of Death: Sterkstroom Intended Place of Burial: Adelaide Cause of Death: Heart Failure Signed by: C.J. Edwards (son of the deceased) C.J. Edwards must surely be "my" Cecil James EDWARDS, and most of the other details tie in well. Her age at death would make her dob around 1861, so if Alfred Stephen EDWARDS (b. 6 Mar 1870) was her husband, she would have been about 25 years old to his 16 years old when Cecil James was born!! Tracking back 9 months from Cecil's date of birth (19 Dec 1886) would place his conception in about March 1870, so just after Alfred turned sweet sixteen, IF he was indeed the father! Does any of this ring any more bells with anyone? COOK researchers, for example? There appears to have been another child born to Alfred and Annie Elizabeth, baptised in 1895, as per Ellen Stanton's listing (father, mother, date of child's baptism): LDS Microfilm #1926277 Birth Certificates: 1895 Item 3: Albany #143 Alfred EDWARDS, Annie Elizabeth COOKS?, 3/27/1895 Regards Mike Wright <http://t.signaledue.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XYg1q0zH qW8p-TcR63BrClW2BW4zb56dTLQf9ddHv-02?t=http%3a%2f%2fwww.albany1820.com&si=64 18478855094272&pi=e6bb4a0a-1fd4-4993-8ddd-d3f4addaf178> www.albany1820.com From: Mike Wright [mailto:mike@albany1820.com] Sent: 30 May 2015 09:11 To: 'south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com'; 'south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com' Subject: Cecil James EDWARDS Hi All Does anyone have any info on if and how the father of Cecil James EDWARDS fits into any of the known EDWARDS lines? Here are the relevant transcriptions: Fort Beaufort Methodist Baptisms Entry #700 Child: Cecil James EDWARDS Parents: Alfred and Anna Elizabeth of Adelaide Born: 19 Dec 1886 Baptized: 12 Jan 1888 Adelaide Anglican (Christ Church) Marriages Entry #159 Husband: Cecil James EDWARDS, 25, Bachelor, Baker, Adelaide Wife: Annie Catherine ERASMUS, 20, Spinster, Adelaide Date: 26 Nov 1912 After Banns Parents Consent Witnesses: C L Sumner, D E Erasmus, Osmond Cookson So, any info on Alfred (possibly also referred to as Alfie) EDWARDS and/or his wife, Anna Elizabeth, will be greatly appreciated. By the way, my wife's uncle, who is a grandson of Cecil James EDWARDS, tells me that Cecil insisted he was born in Dordrecht. This could be true, but he was definitely baptised in Fort Beaufort, and his parents were from Adelaide. Perhaps Anna Elizabeth's parents lived in or near Dordrecht, and she went "home" for the birth? Regards Mike Wright www.albany1820.com <http://www.albany1820.com>

On May 30, 2015, at 11:34 PM, Mike Wright via wrote: > The phenomenon who is Ellen Stanton I sure agree with that!!! > has sent me the birth record of the > child born in 1895 AND the marriage record of Alfred EDWARDS and Annie > Elizabeth COOK!! Alfred was 24 on 10 Apr 1883, which puts his dob in > 1858/9, so we can now rule out Alfred Stephen EDWARDS (b. 1870). > Interestingly, though, Annie is recorded as being 27, which puts her dob in > 1855/6, about 5 years before the date indicated by her civil death notice. > Fantastic. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.Furryboots.info (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

I believe I may have discovered Alfred's wife's death notice. Details are: Name: Annie Elizabeth EDWARDS (born COOK) Abode: Adelaide Age: 52 years (born in the Cape Province) Marital Status: Divorced Occupation: Maternity Nurse Date of Death: 17 Jun 1913 Place of Death: Sterkstroom Intended Place of Burial: Adelaide Cause of Death: Heart Failure Signed by: C.J. Edwards (son of the deceased) C.J. Edwards must surely be "my" Cecil James EDWARDS, and most of the other details tie in well. Her age at death would make her dob around 1861, so if Alfred Stephen EDWARDS (b. 6 Mar 1870) was her husband, she would have been about 25 years old to his 16 years old when Cecil James was born!! Tracking back 9 months from Cecil's date of birth (19 Dec 1886) would place his conception in about March 1870, so just after Alfred turned sweet sixteen, IF he was indeed the father! Does any of this ring any more bells with anyone? COOK researchers, for example? There appears to have been another child born to Alfred and Annie Elizabeth, baptised in 1895, as per Ellen Stanton's listing (father, mother, date of child's baptism): LDS Microfilm #1926277 Birth Certificates: 1895 Item 3: Albany #143 Alfred EDWARDS, Annie Elizabeth COOKS?, 3/27/1895 Regards Mike Wright <http://t.signaledue.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XYg1q0zH qW8p-TcR63BrClW2BW4zb56dTLQf9ddHv-02?t=http%3a%2f%2fwww.albany1820.com&si=64 18478855094272&pi=e6bb4a0a-1fd4-4993-8ddd-d3f4addaf178> www.albany1820.com From: Mike Wright [mailto:mike@albany1820.com] Sent: 30 May 2015 09:11 To: 'south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com'; 'south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com' Subject: Cecil James EDWARDS Hi All Does anyone have any info on if and how the father of Cecil James EDWARDS fits into any of the known EDWARDS lines? Here are the relevant transcriptions: Fort Beaufort Methodist Baptisms Entry #700 Child: Cecil James EDWARDS Parents: Alfred and Anna Elizabeth of Adelaide Born: 19 Dec 1886 Baptized: 12 Jan 1888 Adelaide Anglican (Christ Church) Marriages Entry #159 Husband: Cecil James EDWARDS, 25, Bachelor, Baker, Adelaide Wife: Annie Catherine ERASMUS, 20, Spinster, Adelaide Date: 26 Nov 1912 After Banns Parents Consent Witnesses: C L Sumner, D E Erasmus, Osmond Cookson So, any info on Alfred (possibly also referred to as Alfie) EDWARDS and/or his wife, Anna Elizabeth, will be greatly appreciated. By the way, my wife's uncle, who is a grandson of Cecil James EDWARDS, tells me that Cecil insisted he was born in Dordrecht. This could be true, but he was definitely baptised in Fort Beaufort, and his parents were from Adelaide. Perhaps Anna Elizabeth's parents lived in or near Dordrecht, and she went "home" for the birth? Regards Mike Wright www.albany1820.com <http://www.albany1820.com>

Dear Mike and Irene I do believe the Alfred EDWARDS could be the son of Alfred Stephen EDWARDS b 1870 and possibly could have fathered a child at age 16/17. Most of the descendants of Thomas EDWARDS and Mary Ann KING landed up in Rhodesia and that is also a reason I presume he is the same person, but yet as you say we cannot assume until we have the proof. This is what I have on this family: Descendants of Alfred EDWARDS (Unlinked) ---------------------------------------- a1-Alfred EDWARDS (Unlinked) born: Abt 1865-1870 chr: died: buried: +Annie Elizabeth born: chr: died: buried: parents: |--a1b1-Cecil James EDWARDS | born: 19 December 1886 | chr: 12 January 1888, Methodist Church, Fort Beaufort, Cape Colony | died: | buried: | +Annie Catherine ERASMUS | born: 1892 | chr: | marr: 26 November 1912, Christ Church (Anglican), Adelaide, Cape Colony by Osmond Cookson | died: 22 January 1938, Salisbury Hospital, Rhodesia | buried: | parents: | |--a1b1c1-Cecil Reynold EDWARDS | | born: 1916 | | chr: | | died: 21 January 1938, Gatooma, Hartley District, Rhodesia | | buried: | |--a1b1c2-Eunice Valda EDWARDS | | born: | | chr: | | died: | | buried: | | +Nn KEOGH | | born: | | chr: | | | | died: | | buried: | | parents: | |--a1b1c3-William James EDWARDS | | born: 1919 | | chr: | | died: | | buried: | |--a1b1c4-Eugene EDWARDS | | born: 1928 | | chr: | | died: | | buried: | |--a1b1c5-Elaine EDWARDS | born: 1930 | chr: | died: | buried: |--a1b2-Ivy May EDWARDS born: 22 May 1888, Adelaide, Eastern Cape, South Africa chr: 22 January 1892, Christ Church (Anglican), Adelaide, Cape Colony by John Aldred died: buried: +Robert Henry GOWLAND born: Abt 1882 chr: marr: 27 February 1911, Christ Church (Anglican), Adelaide, Cape Colony by Matthew Norton died: buried: parents: ---------------------------------------- Regards Darryl Allwright -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wright via Sent: 30 May 2015 18:43 To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com; south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Cecil James EDWARDS Hi Irene Thanks for that. I suppose it is possible for a 16 year old to father a child!! I, too, have Alfred Stephen (b. 6 Mar 1870) in my tree, and did wonder about him being the father. I'd love to get some proof of it though. I can't find a marriage record showing his marriage to an Anna Elizabeth - if I could find that, it might be the proof needed! Regards Mike www.albany1820.com <http://t.signaledue.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XYg1q0zH qW8p-TcR63BrClW2BW4zb56dTLQf9ddHv-02?t=http%3a%2f%2fwww.albany1820.com&si=64 18478855094272&pi=e6bb4a0a-1fd4-4993-8ddd-d3f4addaf178> From: Irene de Villiers [mailto:furryboots@icehouse.net] Sent: 30 May 2015 13:00 To: mike@albany1820.com; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Cc: south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Cecil James EDWARDS On May 30, 2015, at 1:11 AM, Mike Wright via wrote: Hi All Does anyone have any info on if and how the father of Cecil James EDWARDS fits into any of the known EDWARDS lines? Here are the relevant transcriptions: Hi Mike, MAYBE?? Here's what I have: I have an Alfred Stephen EDWARDS born 1870 in Fort Beaufort. His parents were Father:Alfred Stephen EDWARDS born 29 July 1833 in Fort Beaufort died 19 April 1870 (the same year his son was born, the last of five siblings - other sibling names avail if you want them, but I have no spouses or offspring) Mother: Rhoda KING b 15 Aug 1836 ;d 1 Sep 1937, Frere Hosp EL (Rhoda married again after those 5 children, to John THOMPSON.) I have more ancestor info on these people but not the offspring info you have. But the dates look rational for the younger Alfred Stephen EDWARDS I have, to possibly be the father of your Cecil James EDWARDS To link the ones I have back to 1820 settlers: My Alfred Stephen Edwards the elder one was the son of James EDWARDS and wife Ann THOMAS, 1820 settlers. & Rhoda KING was the daughter of Joseph KING (Jr) b 9 Aug 1808 and wife Ann BRADLEY both 1820 settlers. (I have more dates etc if these look like a fit.) (I know that the Sumner family was friendly with the Edwards family. They also intermarry in the 1880s. Methodist and Anglican church events both were common for those two families.) PLEASE... LET ME KNOW IF YOU THINK THIS IS A LINK? Namaste, Irene Fort Beaufort Methodist Baptisms Entry #700 Child: Cecil James EDWARDS Parents: Alfred and Anna Elizabeth of Adelaide Born: 19 Dec 1886 Baptized: 12 Jan 1888 Adelaide Anglican (Christ Church) Marriages Entry #159 Husband: Cecil James EDWARDS, 25, Bachelor, Baker, Adelaide Wife: Annie Catherine ERASMUS, 20, Spinster, Adelaide Date: 26 Nov 1912 After Banns Parents Consent Witnesses: C L Sumner, D E Erasmus, Osmond Cookson So, any info on Alfred (possibly also referred to as Alfie) EDWARDS and/or his wife, Anna Elizabeth, will be greatly appreciated. By the way, my wife's uncle, who is a grandson of Cecil James EDWARDS, tells me that Cecil insisted he was born in Dordrecht. This could be true, but he was definitely baptised in Fort Beaufort, and his parents were from Adelaide. Perhaps Anna Elizabeth's parents lived in or near Dordrecht, and she went "home" for the birth? Regards Mike Wright www.albany1820.com <http://www.albany1820.com> <http://www.albany1820.com> -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.Furryboots.info <http://www.Furryboots.info> (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear All I consider that I have had a very unsatisfactory exchange with the British Library concerning e- access to those parts of the website already providing digital material! I have now given them one month to reply to my second email but clearly they cannot spare the time to do so. I think it's reasonable now to share the correspondence - as I promised some months ago - with this list. Perhaps all on the list who would be interested should start raising this issue direct with Roly Keating the Chief Executive. I had hoped the fairly new regime would be digitally more go-ahead. Best wishes Hazel Dear Jerry Many thanks for your reply to my email addressed to the Chief Executive. Of course I understand your point about collection security. However, there seems no logical reason why those who cannot come to London (and make the collection insecure) should not become members of a special category of "distance readers" with permission only to access the material, to which I referred in my earlier email, which is already on the web. It is difficult to imagine why this should not be affordable and why it should not be considered as an immediate ( rather than "under active consideration" - weasel words if I may say so) pilot leading to a wider scheme in the future. As I have pointed out, other major research libraries are acting in this regard rather than merely aspiring. "Can do" attracts so much more respect these days than deferment. I remain hopeful that you will be able to send me a much more satisfactory response to this last point to share with my networks of family historians overseas. Yours sincerely Hazel Dakers Dear Hazel I am writing in response to your email to the Chief Executive dated 8th April which has been forwarded to me as the senior manager responsible for the Library's Reader Registration policies. To provide some context, the Library's Reader Registration processes are driven largely by the requirements of collection security; namely, to ensure that the Library holds valid details pertaining to those accessing its collections. Until recently, the view has been taken that the only way to satisfactorily validate those details is to see original documents as proof of both identity and address. However, as you point out, the world is becoming increasingly digital and the Library must find ways to successfully accommodate that shift. To that end, and as well as striving to make ever more electronic content available remotely, steps have been taken in recent years to facilitate both on-line pre-registration for Readers and more recently to accept both electronic and print documentation as proof of a Reader's address. As it stands, however, these changes still require all Readers to present these documents in person either at our London site or in Yorkshire and, to your main point, access to remote electronic resources is therefore not possible unless this step is completed. As you suggest, a logical next step may therefore be for the Library to permit the Reader Registration process to be completed entirely on-line. To that end, an initial feasibility study was undertaken late last year to assess the potential options available and as a consequence of which the proposal remains under active consideration. However, as I'm sure you will appreciate, the Library must be able to demonstrate that any proposed solution would have no adverse effect on collection security and that it would also be affordable. Although I can give no guarantee at this stage what the outcome of this work may be, I hope the fact that this issue is at least under consideration provides some reassurance as to the Library's future aspirations in this regard. Yours Sincerely Jerry Shillito From: Hazel Dakers [mailto:hazel.dakers@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 08 April 2015 18:04 To: Keating, Roly Subject: Access to BL's e-resources Dear Mr Keating I have been a reader at the BL for many years - and in fact am a retired member of staff. So the issue I am raising with you does not impact upon me personally but is depriving family historian friends abroad of available digitised research information. I have a number of overseas friends who would dearly love access to the resources online at <https://eresources.remote.bl.uk:2443/login> https://eresources.remote.bl.uk:2443/login However, these are only available to registered readers. Is it possible now to register as a reader online or by sending the necessary documents by email? A number of South African researchers I know would benefit enormously from access to the Grahams Town Journal and some other listed newspapers but are not able to come to London to register as BL readers. These items are not available through my sub to www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk <http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk> Other national libraries seem able to make comparable items available to e-registered readers eg <http://www.nla.gov.au/app/eresources/> http://www.nla.gov.au/app/eresources/ In the 2nd millenium it should be possible to make a separate e-registration that limits those registered to using online resources - if full registration by distance is not possible. I hope very much that you will find a means of facilitating wider electronic access to the BL's resources and look forward to your response on this issue. Kind regards Hazel Dakers

Hi Irene Thanks for that. I suppose it is possible for a 16 year old to father a child!! I, too, have Alfred Stephen (b. 6 Mar 1870) in my tree, and did wonder about him being the father. I'd love to get some proof of it though. I can't find a marriage record showing his marriage to an Anna Elizabeth - if I could find that, it might be the proof needed! Regards Mike www.albany1820.com <http://t.signaledue.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XYg1q0zH qW8p-TcR63BrClW2BW4zb56dTLQf9ddHv-02?t=http%3a%2f%2fwww.albany1820.com&si=64 18478855094272&pi=e6bb4a0a-1fd4-4993-8ddd-d3f4addaf178> From: Irene de Villiers [mailto:furryboots@icehouse.net] Sent: 30 May 2015 13:00 To: mike@albany1820.com; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Cc: south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Cecil James EDWARDS On May 30, 2015, at 1:11 AM, Mike Wright via wrote: Hi All Does anyone have any info on if and how the father of Cecil James EDWARDS fits into any of the known EDWARDS lines? Here are the relevant transcriptions: Hi Mike, MAYBE?? Here's what I have: I have an Alfred Stephen EDWARDS born 1870 in Fort Beaufort. His parents were Father:Alfred Stephen EDWARDS born 29 July 1833 in Fort Beaufort died 19 April 1870 (the same year his son was born, the last of five siblings - other sibling names avail if you want them, but I have no spouses or offspring) Mother: Rhoda KING b 15 Aug 1836 ;d 1 Sep 1937, Frere Hosp EL (Rhoda married again after those 5 children, to John THOMPSON.) I have more ancestor info on these people but not the offspring info you have. But the dates look rational for the younger Alfred Stephen EDWARDS I have, to possibly be the father of your Cecil James EDWARDS To link the ones I have back to 1820 settlers: My Alfred Stephen Edwards the elder one was the son of James EDWARDS and wife Ann THOMAS, 1820 settlers. & Rhoda KING was the daughter of Joseph KING (Jr) b 9 Aug 1808 and wife Ann BRADLEY both 1820 settlers. (I have more dates etc if these look like a fit.) (I know that the Sumner family was friendly with the Edwards family. They also intermarry in the 1880s. Methodist and Anglican church events both were common for those two families.) PLEASE... LET ME KNOW IF YOU THINK THIS IS A LINK? Namaste, Irene Fort Beaufort Methodist Baptisms Entry #700 Child: Cecil James EDWARDS Parents: Alfred and Anna Elizabeth of Adelaide Born: 19 Dec 1886 Baptized: 12 Jan 1888 Adelaide Anglican (Christ Church) Marriages Entry #159 Husband: Cecil James EDWARDS, 25, Bachelor, Baker, Adelaide Wife: Annie Catherine ERASMUS, 20, Spinster, Adelaide Date: 26 Nov 1912 After Banns Parents Consent Witnesses: C L Sumner, D E Erasmus, Osmond Cookson So, any info on Alfred (possibly also referred to as Alfie) EDWARDS and/or his wife, Anna Elizabeth, will be greatly appreciated. By the way, my wife's uncle, who is a grandson of Cecil James EDWARDS, tells me that Cecil insisted he was born in Dordrecht. This could be true, but he was definitely baptised in Fort Beaufort, and his parents were from Adelaide. Perhaps Anna Elizabeth's parents lived in or near Dordrecht, and she went "home" for the birth? Regards Mike Wright www.albany1820.com <http://www.albany1820.com> <http://www.albany1820.com> -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.Furryboots.info <http://www.Furryboots.info> (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Interested in > MACLAGHLAN, Molly - page 18, 21, Brambleites group photo m middle row and mentioned in Acknowledgements > > MACLAGHLAN, Stewart - page 21, group photo back row the Brambleites Many thanks. Tony > On May 25, 2015, at 2:00 AM, south-africa-eastern-cape-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. 1877 Scottish Agricultural Settlers - list of names of people > in the Gonubie Presbyterian Church centenary booklet (moira macdonald) > 2. Re: 1877 Scottish Agricultural Settlers - list of names of > people in the Gonubie Presbyterian Church centenary booklet (rodg) > > From: "moira macdonald" <munyori@blueyonder.co.uk> > Subject: [ZA-EC] 1877 Scottish Agricultural Settlers - list of names of people in the Gonubie Presbyterian Church centenary booklet > Date: May 24, 2015 at 6:05:21 AM CDT > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Reply-To: moira macdonald <munyori@blueyonder.co.uk>, south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > > > Until I was contacted by an 1877 Gonubie Settlers' descendent I had no idea that the little booklet I had > > of the > > "Gonubie Presbyterian Church 1886 - 1986 - A short history of the Church and the people > > compiled by Natalie KEMP." > > might be very hard to get hold of. > > > > In case others might be looking for it - or didn't know it existed - I've gone through my copy and below this email is a list of every name that appears in the booklet. > > If anyone would like to have an e-copy of the page/s on which a name appears please let me know. > > > > I have also scanned in the entire booklet, but it is a large file and if you would like the whole copy it would be better sent via Dropbox. > > Best wishes, > > Moira > > > > Moira Macdonald > > Researching GEDDIE, KERR, WHITFIELD, BOTHA (Eastern Cape) MACDONALD (Western Cape, Transvaal and Zimbabwe) > > > > > > The booklet is 28 pages A5 size, plus photographs at the end. > > On the Acknowledgements page, against each name, it briefly states what the acknowledgement was for. > > > > Also mentioned is the Gonubie Library - "for their detailed research into some of the family histories" > > > > AVERY, W., Rev. - page 21 and at the end a photo "A group outside the Church with Rev. Avery" > > AVIS, Mary Ann - page 4 > > BAKER, Claire - mentioned in Acknowledgements > > BARBOUR, Rene - page 11 > > BARBOUR, Tom - page 11 > > BARRETT, John - page 1, 25 > > BARRETT, Joseph - page 18-19 > > BARRETT [Family] - page 9 > > BARTLETT, Anthony - page 23 and a photo > > BARTLETT, Phyllis - page 23 > > BAXTER, Charles McDonald - page 4 > > BAXTER, Charlotte Mary Ann Margaret - page 4, 5 > > BLACK, "Mr" - page 17 > > BLAIR, George, Dr. - mentioned in Foreword > > BOTHMA, Dave - page 21 > > BOWKER - see Ivy MACKENZIE > > BREETZKE, Mabel - page 5 > > BRYSON, Bob - page 8 > > BRYSON, Janet - page 8 > > BRYSON, Margaret - page 9, 24 > > BRYSON, Thomas W - page 1, 8, 15, 26-7, photo of him plus wife > > CAIRNS, Lindsay - page 22 > > CAMPBELL, Wm. Darroch, Rev. - wrote the Foreword, mentioned in Acknowledgements > > COOMBS, Eileen - page 5 > > COOPER, Lilly - mentioned in Acknowledgements > > COWPER, George - page 1 > > COWPER [Family] - page 10 > > CROSS, [Family no first name] - page 1, 11, 25 > > CROSS, Donald - page 11 > > CROSS, Jane - page 11 > > CROSS, William, - page 11 > > CROSS, "Mrs" - page 25 > > DEMPSTER, John - page 4 > > DEMPSTER, Mary Jane - page 4 - plus with PEDEN, William & Family in photo > > DODKINS, Agnes - Brambleites group photo in middle row > > DODKINS, Dorothy Lillian Kate - page 5 > DODKINS, Dorothy Lillian Kate [daughter] - page 6, 20 > > DODKINS, Fanny - page 6, 13[photo] > > DODKINS, Georgia Grace - page 6 > > DODKINS, Isabella Fanny - page 6 > > DODKINS, Margaret Annie Edith - page 6 > > DODKINS, Thomas - page 5 > > DODKINS, Wilhelmina Ellen - page 6 > > DODKINS, William Stacey - page 5, 6, 16 > > DODKINS, "Miss" [first name not given - married William HAMILTON - see below] > > DODKINS, "Mr" - group photo back row Brambleites > > DODKINS - photo - "The DODKINS FAMILY at KWELGA" and photo "The daughters of William Stacey Dodkins & Agnes Johnstone Lennox - L to R Fanny, Mink, Maggie, Agnes and Kate" > > DURKIN, Mary - page 7 > > Field, Ellen - page 18 > > FERGUSON, J T Rev. page 14-15, 25 and mentioned in Foreword > > FERGUSSON, "Mrs" - page 25 > > GAYLARD, Joyce - mentioned in Acknowledgements > > GRANT, Leith, Rev. - page 20 > > GREEN, [no name, married Jessie KRUUSE] - page 21, > > GREEN, Ernie [poss the above?] in group photo, back row "Merry Brambleites" > > GREEN, Jessie - Brambleites group photo front row > > HAIR, Mary - page 4 > > HAMILTON, [a. n. other not named] - page 9 > > HAMILTON, David - page 9 > > HAMILTON, James - page 1, 9 > > HAMILTON, Margaret - page 9 > > HAMILTON, Rachel - page 9 > > HAMILTON, Thomas - page 9 > > HAMILTON, William - page 9, 13[photo] > > HANSEN, Neil - page 5 > > HANSEN, Peter - page 5 > > HAY, "Mr and Mrs" - page 17 > > HECTOR, [no first name, family] - page 1, 11 > > HECTOR, "Miss" [no first name, married name BARBOUR, mother of Tom] > > HEMMING, A. S. - 2 photos in costume for performances > > HEMMING/HENNING ??? > > HENNING, Bert - page 20, group photo back row the Brambleites > > HILL, Ellen - page 16, 18 and mentioned in Acknowledgements > > HOOD, Ann - page 4 > > HORRMANN, Wesley - page 8 > > JOHNNY, Rev. - page 25 > > KEMP, "family" - page 8 > > KERR, George - page 8 > > KERR, John [incorrect, should be William]- page 1, 9 > > KERR [Family] - page 9 > > KERR, "Mrs" - page 25 > > KERR, Jock [probably nickname, should be John] - page 9 > > KRULL, E V - page 9, 11 > > KRUUSE, Douglas - page 8, 14, 18 and mentioned in Acknowledgements > > KRUUSE, Edward Waldemar - page 8, 10 > > KRUUSE, Ernest Cecil - page 18-19 > > KRUUSE, Jessie - page 21 and mentioned in Acknowledgements > > KRUUSE, Laijla - page 21 > > KRUUSE, Roland - page 9 > > KRUUSE, Shirley - page 21 > > LARGUE, John - page 1, 10, photo > > LARGUE, Margaret [see also under BRYSON] - page 24, photo > > LARGUE, Alan - see below > > LARGUE, Ronald - Page 9, photo in Highland dress with [son?] Alan at Marguerita KRUUSE's wedding - and is mentioned in Acknowledgements > > LAWSON, Dick - page 7-8 > > LAWSON, Edna - page 8 > > LENNOX, Agnes Johnstone - page 5, 6, 16 > > LENNOX, Bella - page 5 > > LENNOX, Matthew - page 1, 5, 6 > > LENNOX, Matthew Johnstone - page 5 > > LORD, [Edna] - page 8 > > MACKENZIE, [James?] first name not given - page 2, 26 > > MACKENZIE, Argo - Brambleites group photo front row > > MACKENZIE, Christina - page 3 > > MACKENZIE, Edna - page 19 > > MACKENZIE, James - page 1, 3, 14, 15, 16, 26, 27 > > MACKENZIE, Hector - page 22 > > MACKENZIE, Ivy - Brambleites group photo m middle row > > MACKENZIE, Thelma - Brambleites group photo m middle row plus photo 3 old maids with Sheila Mclean and Molly Mackenzie > > MACKENZIE, "Mrs A" - page 20 > > MACKENZIE, "Mrs Robert" - page 20 > > MACLEAN, Sheila - Brambleites group photo middle row plus photo 3 old maids with Thelma Mackenzie and Molly Mackenzie {incorrect? - should be MACLACHLAN?] > > MACLAGHLAN, Molly - page 18, 21, Brambleites group photo m middle row and mentioned in Acknowledgements > > MACLAGHLAN, Stewart - page 21, group photo back row the Brambleites > > MCBEATH, Marion - page 3 > > MCGREGOR, no first name - page 1 > > MCGREGOR [Family] - page 10 > > MCLENNON, Cecil - group photo back row the Brambleites > > MCNEILAGE, James Mackenzie - page 1 > > MCNEILAGE [Family] - page 9 > > MCRAE, Donald, Rev. - page 22 > > MCRAE, Joseph - page 1, 11 > > MCRAE, "Mr and Mrs" - page 12, 25 photo "The House which the McRae's built" > > MILLIGAN, [no first name given] Rev. - page 22 > > MITCHELL, Gordon, Rev. - page 23, photo at end, and mentioned in Acknowledgements > > MULLER, Frank - page 5 > > PACHONICK, Joseph - page 17 > > PARKER, Aileen - page 6, 19 > > PEDEN, Bernice - page 5 > > PEDEN, Hugh - page 4 > > PEDEN, Hugh McDonald - page 4, 5 > > PEDEN, Ivan - page 5 > > PEDEN, Margaret - page 5 > > PEDEN, Mary Frances - page 4, 5 > > PEDEN, Mary Hair - page 4, 5 > > PEDEN, N - mentioned in Acknowledgements > > PEDEN, Neville Brian - page 5 > > PEDEN, Roydon Charles - page 5 > > PEDEN, William - page 1, 3, 4, 14, 16 - photo with wife Mary Jane DEMPSTER and family > > PEDEN, William Charles - page 4, 5 > > PEDEN, William Hood - page 4, 5, photo portrait head and shoulders > > PEINKE, Shirley - page 12, 21 > > POWELL, [Family] -page 12-13 > > POWELL, William - page 1, 12-13 > > RICHTER, Herbert - page 18 > > ROBERTSON [Family] - page 1, 10-11 > > ROBERTSON {daughters] - page 12 > > ROBERTSON, R., Rev. - page 22 > > ROSE, "Mrs" - page 21, 22 > > ROSE, Ray, Rev. - page 22 > > SHOOTER, Alec - page 3 > > SLEMENT, Agnes - page 7, 8 > > SLEMENT, Durkin - page 7 > > SLEMENT, Elizabeth - page 7, 8 > > SLEMENT, James - page 1, 7, 14 > > SLEMENT, James [son] - page 7, 8 > > SLEMENT, John - page 7-8 > > SLEMENT, Mary - page 7, 8 > > SLEMENT, Peter - page 7 > > SLEMENT, Mathilda - page 7, 8 > > SLEMENT, William - page 7 > > SONNENBERGER, Ivan - page 18 > > SONNENBERGER, Joseph - page 17 > > SONNENBERGER, Theresa - page 12 > > SPERSHOTT, Moss - page 8 > > STACEY, Fanny Elizabeth - page 5-6 > > SWART, Enid - page 21 > > TENNANT, Alexander - page 1, 2, 14, 15, 16, photo > > TENNANT, Gladys - page 17 and mentioned in Acknowledgements > > TENNANT, Jessie - page 2, 3 > > TENNANT, John - page 2, 3 > > TENNANT, Martha Lockhart - page 2 > > TENNANT, Mary - page 2, 3 > > TENNANT, Tina - page 2, 3 > > TENNANT, William - page 2, 3 > > TURNER, Bernie - page 9 > > TURNER, Marie - [poss married to Bernie, above] - page 9 mentioned in Acknowledgements > > ULYATE, "Mr" - page 17 > > VENABLES, Dick - photo > > WOOD, "Mrs" - page 18 > > > > > > > From: "rodg" <rodg@tiscali.co.za> > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] 1877 Scottish Agricultural Settlers - list of names of people in the Gonubie Presbyterian Church centenary booklet > Date: May 24, 2015 at 6:57:54 AM CDT > To: "moira macdonald" <munyori@blueyonder.co.uk>, "south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com" <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Reply-To: rodg@tiscali.co.za, south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > > > Hi Moira, > Thanks for posting the info. Could you kindly let me have copies of the KERR and PEINKE pages. > Which line of the KERR family are you researching. > Kind regards > Rod g > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: moira macdonald via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Sender: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 12:05:21 > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Reply-To: moira macdonald <munyori@blueyonder.co.uk>, > south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] 1877 Scottish Agricultural Settlers - list of names of > people in the Gonubie Presbyterian Church centenary booklet > > Until I was contacted by an 1877 Gonubie Settlers' descendent I had no idea that the little booklet I had > > of the > > "Gonubie Presbyterian Church 1886 - 1986 - A short history of the Church and the people > > compiled by Natalie KEMP." > > might be very hard to get hold of. > > > > In case others might be looking for it - or didn't know it existed - I've gone through my copy and below this email is a list of every name that appears in the booklet. > > If anyone would like to have an e-copy of the page/s on which a name appears please let me know. > > > > I have also scanned in the entire booklet, but it is a large file and if you would like the whole copy it would be better sent via Dropbox. > > Best wishes, > > Moira > > > > Moira Macdonald > > Researching GEDDIE, KERR, WHITFIELD, BOTHA (Eastern Cape) MACDONALD (Western Cape, Transvaal and Zimbabwe) > > > > > > The booklet is 28 pages A5 size, plus photographs at the end. > > On the Acknowledgements page, against each name, it briefly states what the acknowledgement was for. > > > > Also mentioned is the Gonubie Library - "for their detailed research into some of the family histories" > > > > AVERY, W., Rev. - page 21 and at the end a photo "A group outside the Church with Rev. Avery" > > AVIS, Mary Ann - page 4 > > BAKER, Claire - mentioned in Acknowledgements > > BARBOUR, Rene - page 11 > > BARBOUR, Tom - page 11 > > BARRETT, John - page 1, 25 > > BARRETT, Joseph - page 18-19 > > BARRETT [Family] - page 9 > > BARTLETT, Anthony - page 23 and a photo > > BARTLETT, Phyllis - page 23 > > BAXTER, Charles McDonald - page 4 > > BAXTER, Charlotte Mary Ann Margaret - page 4, 5 > > BLACK, "Mr" - page 17 > > BLAIR, George, Dr. - mentioned in Foreword > > BOTHMA, Dave - page 21 > > BOWKER - see Ivy MACKENZIE > > BREETZKE, Mabel - page 5 > > BRYSON, Bob - page 8 > > BRYSON, Janet - page 8 > > BRYSON, Margaret - page 9, 24 > > BRYSON, Thomas W - page 1, 8, 15, 26-7, photo of him plus wife > > CAIRNS, Lindsay - page 22 > > CAMPBELL, Wm. Darroch, Rev. - wrote the Foreword, mentioned in Acknowledgements > > COOMBS, Eileen - page 5 > > COOPER, Lilly - mentioned in Acknowledgements > > COWPER, George - page 1 > > COWPER [Family] - page 10 > > CROSS, [Family no first name] - page 1, 11, 25 > > CROSS, Donald - page 11 > > CROSS, Jane - page 11 > > CROSS, William, - page 11 > > CROSS, "Mrs" - page 25 > > DEMPSTER, John - page 4 > > DEMPSTER, Mary Jane - page 4 - plus with PEDEN, William & Family in photo > > DODKINS, Agnes - Brambleites group photo in middle row > > DODKINS, Dorothy Lillian Kate - page 5 > DODKINS, Dorothy Lillian Kate [daughter] - page 6, 20 > > DODKINS, Fanny - page 6, 13[photo] > > DODKINS, Georgia Grace - page 6 > > DODKINS, Isabella Fanny - page 6 > > DODKINS, Margaret Annie Edith - page 6 > > DODKINS, Thomas - page 5 > > DODKINS, Wilhelmina Ellen - page 6 > > DODKINS, William Stacey - page 5, 6, 16 > > DODKINS, "Miss" [first name not given - married William HAMILTON - see below] > > DODKINS, "Mr" - group photo back row Brambleites > > DODKINS - photo - "The DODKINS FAMILY at KWELGA" and photo "The daughters of William Stacey Dodkins & Agnes Johnstone Lennox - L to R Fanny, Mink, Maggie, Agnes and Kate" > > DURKIN, Mary - page 7 > > Field, Ellen - page 18 > > FERGUSON, J T Rev. page 14-15, 25 and mentioned in Foreword > > FERGUSSON, "Mrs" - page 25 > > GAYLARD, Joyce - mentioned in Acknowledgements > > GRANT, Leith, Rev. - page 20 > > GREEN, [no name, married Jessie KRUUSE] - page 21, > > GREEN, Ernie [poss the above?] in group photo, back row "Merry Brambleites" > > GREEN, Jessie - Brambleites group photo front row > > HAIR, Mary - page 4 > > HAMILTON, [a. n. other not named] - page 9 > > HAMILTON, David - page 9 > > HAMILTON, James - page 1, 9 > > HAMILTON, Margaret - page 9 > > HAMILTON, Rachel - page 9 > > HAMILTON, Thomas - page 9 > > HAMILTON, William - page 9, 13[photo] > > HANSEN, Neil - page 5 > > HANSEN, Peter - page 5 > > HAY, "Mr and Mrs" - page 17 > > HECTOR, [no first name, family] - page 1, 11 > > HECTOR, "Miss" [no first name, married name BARBOUR, mother of Tom] > > HEMMING, A. S. - 2 photos in costume for performances > > HEMMING/HENNING ??? > > HENNING, Bert - page 20, group photo back row the Brambleites > > HILL, Ellen - page 16, 18 and mentioned in Acknowledgements > > HOOD, Ann - page 4 > > HORRMANN, Wesley - page 8 > > JOHNNY, Rev. - page 25 > > KEMP, "family" - page 8 > > KERR, George - page 8 > > KERR, John [incorrect, should be William]- page 1, 9 > > KERR [Family] - page 9 > > KERR, "Mrs" - page 25 > > KERR, Jock [probably nickname, should be John] - page 9 > > KRULL, E V - page 9, 11 > > KRUUSE, Douglas - page 8, 14, 18 and mentioned in Acknowledgements > > KRUUSE, Edward Waldemar - page 8, 10 > > KRUUSE, Ernest Cecil - page 18-19 > > KRUUSE, Jessie - page 21 and mentioned in Acknowledgements > > KRUUSE, Laijla - page 21 > > KRUUSE, Roland - page 9 > > KRUUSE, Shirley - page 21 > > LARGUE, John - page 1, 10, photo > > LARGUE, Margaret [see also under BRYSON] - page 24, photo > > LARGUE, Alan - see below > > LARGUE, Ronald - Page 9, photo in Highland dress with [son?] Alan at Marguerita KRUUSE's wedding - and is mentioned in Acknowledgements > > LAWSON, Dick - page 7-8 > > LAWSON, Edna - page 8 > > LENNOX, Agnes Johnstone - page 5, 6, 16 > > LENNOX, Bella - page 5 > > LENNOX, Matthew - page 1, 5, 6 > > LENNOX, Matthew Johnstone - page 5 > > LORD, [Edna] - page 8 > > MACKENZIE, [James?] first name not given - page 2, 26 > > MACKENZIE, Argo - Brambleites group photo front row > > MACKENZIE, Christina - page 3 > > MACKENZIE, Edna - page 19 > > MACKENZIE, James - page 1, 3, 14, 15, 16, 26, 27 > > MACKENZIE, Hector - page 22 > > MACKENZIE, Ivy - Brambleites group photo m middle row > > MACKENZIE, Thelma - Brambleites group photo m middle row plus photo 3 old maids with Sheila Mclean and Molly Mackenzie > > MACKENZIE, "Mrs A" - page 20 > > MACKENZIE, "Mrs Robert" - page 20 > > MACLEAN, Sheila - Brambleites group photo middle row plus photo 3 old maids with Thelma Mackenzie and Molly Mackenzie {incorrect? - should be MACLACHLAN?] > > MACLAGHLAN, Molly - page 18, 21, Brambleites group photo m middle row and mentioned in Acknowledgements > > MACLAGHLAN, Stewart - page 21, group photo back row the Brambleites > > MCBEATH, Marion - page 3 > > MCGREGOR, no first name - page 1 > > MCGREGOR [Family] - page 10 > > MCLENNON, Cecil - group photo back row the Brambleites > > MCNEILAGE, James Mackenzie - page 1 > > MCNEILAGE [Family] - page 9 > > MCRAE, Donald, Rev. - page 22 > > MCRAE, Joseph - page 1, 11 > > MCRAE, "Mr and Mrs" - page 12, 25 photo "The House which the McRae's built" > > MILLIGAN, [no first name given] Rev. - page 22 > > MITCHELL, Gordon, Rev. - page 23, photo at end, and mentioned in Acknowledgements > > MULLER, Frank - page 5 > > PACHONICK, Joseph - page 17 > > PARKER, Aileen - page 6, 19 > > PEDEN, Bernice - page 5 > > PEDEN, Hugh - page 4 > > PEDEN, Hugh McDonald - page 4, 5 > > PEDEN, Ivan - page 5 > > PEDEN, Margaret - page 5 > > PEDEN, Mary Frances - page 4, 5 > > PEDEN, Mary Hair - page 4, 5 > > PEDEN, N - mentioned in Acknowledgements > > PEDEN, Neville Brian - page 5 > > PEDEN, Roydon Charles - page 5 > > PEDEN, William - page 1, 3, 4, 14, 16 - photo with wife Mary Jane DEMPSTER and family > > PEDEN, William Charles - page 4, 5 > > PEDEN, William Hood - page 4, 5, photo portrait head and shoulders > > PEINKE, Shirley - page 12, 21 > > POWELL, [Family] -page 12-13 > > POWELL, William - page 1, 12-13 > > RICHTER, Herbert - page 18 > > ROBERTSON [Family] - page 1, 10-11 > > ROBERTSON {daughters] - page 12 > > ROBERTSON, R., Rev. - page 22 > > ROSE, "Mrs" - page 21, 22 > > ROSE, Ray, Rev. - page 22 > > SHOOTER, Alec - page 3 > > SLEMENT, Agnes - page 7, 8 > > SLEMENT, Durkin - page 7 > > SLEMENT, Elizabeth - page 7, 8 > > SLEMENT, James - page 1, 7, 14 > > SLEMENT, James [son] - page 7, 8 > > SLEMENT, John - page 7-8 > > SLEMENT, Mary - page 7, 8 > > SLEMENT, Peter - page 7 > > SLEMENT, Mathilda - page 7, 8 > > SLEMENT, William - page 7 > > SONNENBERGER, Ivan - page 18 > > SONNENBERGER, Joseph - page 17 > > SONNENBERGER, Theresa - page 12 > > SPERSHOTT, Moss - page 8 > > STACEY, Fanny Elizabeth - page 5-6 > > SWART, Enid - page 21 > > TENNANT, Alexander - page 1, 2, 14, 15, 16, photo > > TENNANT, Gladys - page 17 and mentioned in Acknowledgements > > TENNANT, Jessie - page 2, 3 > > TENNANT, John - page 2, 3 > > TENNANT, Martha Lockhart - page 2 > > TENNANT, Mary - page 2, 3 > > TENNANT, Tina - page 2, 3 > > TENNANT, William - page 2, 3 > > TURNER, Bernie - page 9 > > TURNER, Marie - [poss married to Bernie, above] - page 9 mentioned in Acknowledgements > > ULYATE, "Mr" - page 17 > > VENABLES, Dick - photo > > WOOD, "Mrs" - page 18 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE list administrator, send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE mailing list, send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text.

Hi All Does anyone have any info on if and how the father of Cecil James EDWARDS fits into any of the known EDWARDS lines? Here are the relevant transcriptions: Fort Beaufort Methodist Baptisms Entry #700 Child: Cecil James EDWARDS Parents: Alfred and Anna Elizabeth of Adelaide Born: 19 Dec 1886 Baptized: 12 Jan 1888 Adelaide Anglican (Christ Church) Marriages Entry #159 Husband: Cecil James EDWARDS, 25, Bachelor, Baker, Adelaide Wife: Annie Catherine ERASMUS, 20, Spinster, Adelaide Date: 26 Nov 1912 After Banns Parents Consent Witnesses: C L Sumner, D E Erasmus, Osmond Cookson So, any info on Alfred (possibly also referred to as Alfie) EDWARDS and/or his wife, Anna Elizabeth, will be greatly appreciated. By the way, my wife's uncle, who is a grandson of Cecil James EDWARDS, tells me that Cecil insisted he was born in Dordrecht. This could be true, but he was definitely baptised in Fort Beaufort, and his parents were from Adelaide. Perhaps Anna Elizabeth's parents lived in or near Dordrecht, and she went "home" for the birth? Regards Mike Wright www.albany1820.com <http://www.albany1820.com>

On May 30, 2015, at 1:11 AM, Mike Wright via wrote: > Hi All > > > > Does anyone have any info on if and how the father of Cecil James EDWARDS > fits into any of the known EDWARDS lines? Here are the relevant > transcriptions: Hi Mike, MAYBE?? Here's what I have: I have an Alfred Stephen EDWARDS born 1870 in Fort Beaufort. His parents were Father:Alfred Stephen EDWARDS born 29 July 1833 in Fort Beaufort died 19 April 1870 (the same year his son was born, the last of five siblings - other sibling names avail if you want them, but I have no spouses or offspring) Mother: Rhoda KING b 15 Aug 1836 ;d 1 Sep 1937, Frere Hosp EL (Rhoda married again after those 5 children, to John THOMPSON.) I have more ancestor info on these people but not the offspring info you have. But the dates look rational for the younger Alfred Stephen EDWARDS I have, to possibly be the father of your Cecil James EDWARDS To link the ones I have back to 1820 settlers: My Alfred Stephen Edwards the elder one was the son of James EDWARDS and wife Ann THOMAS, 1820 settlers. & Rhoda KING was the daughter of Joseph KING (Jr) b 9 Aug 1808 and wife Ann BRADLEY both 1820 settlers. (I have more dates etc if these look like a fit.) (I know that the Sumner family was friendly with the Edwards family. They also intermarry in the 1880s. Methodist and Anglican church events both were common for those two families.) PLEASE... LET ME KNOW IF YOU THINK THIS IS A LINK? Namaste, Irene > Fort Beaufort Methodist Baptisms > > Entry #700 > > Child: Cecil James EDWARDS > > Parents: Alfred and Anna Elizabeth of Adelaide > > Born: 19 Dec 1886 > > Baptized: 12 Jan 1888 > > > > Adelaide Anglican (Christ Church) Marriages > > Entry #159 > > Husband: Cecil James EDWARDS, 25, Bachelor, Baker, Adelaide > > Wife: Annie Catherine ERASMUS, 20, Spinster, Adelaide > > Date: 26 Nov 1912 > > After Banns > > Parents Consent > > Witnesses: C L Sumner, D E Erasmus, Osmond Cookson > > > > So, any info on Alfred (possibly also referred to as Alfie) EDWARDS and/or > his wife, Anna Elizabeth, will be greatly appreciated. > > > > By the way, my wife's uncle, who is a grandson of Cecil James EDWARDS, tells > me that Cecil insisted he was born in Dordrecht. This could be true, but he > was definitely baptised in Fort Beaufort, and his parents were from > Adelaide. Perhaps Anna Elizabeth's parents lived in or near Dordrecht, and > she went "home" for the birth? > > > > Regards > > Mike Wright > > www.albany1820.com <http://www.albany1820.com> > -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.Furryboots.info (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Hi Tammy Write to sandfdoc@mweb.co.za For South African Military records. Cheers Cheri -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Wellbeloved via Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2015 6:19 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] MILITARY RECORDS > Good morning all Please can someone assist me? I have got my dad's army number. How do I go about finding out his Military History/Service Record and any awards he may have received? Thanks Tammy

The South African National Defence Force Archives are in Pretoria - they have records from after 1916... Contact: documentation centre <sandfdoc@mweb.co.za> Lt Kleynhans is inn charge and will be able to assist. Alan McEwan Goss Untied Artists torchza@gmail.com Skype: alan.mce.goss Fax: 0867519699 Cell: 073 216 9174 On 27 May 2015 at 09:00, <south-africa-eastern-cape-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. MILITARY RECORDS (Tammy Wellbeloved) > 2. Re: MILITARY RECORDS (Cheri Marshall) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tammy Wellbeloved <tammywellbeloved@gmail.com> > To: "south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com" < > south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Cc: > Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 10:18:50 +0200 > Subject: [ZA-EC] MILITARY RECORDS > > Good morning all > > Please can someone assist me? > I have got my dad's army number. How do I go about finding out his Military > History/Service Record and any awards he may have received? > > Thanks > Tammy > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Cheri Marshall <cheri.marshall@outlook.com> > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Cc: > Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 14:47:37 +1000 > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] MILITARY RECORDS > > Hi Tammy > Write to > sandfdoc@mweb.co.za > For South African Military records. > Cheers > Cheri > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tammy > Wellbeloved via > Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2015 6:19 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] MILITARY RECORDS > > > Good morning all > > Please can someone assist me? > I have got my dad's army number. How do I go about finding out his Military > History/Service Record and any awards he may have received? > > Thanks > Tammy > > > > > To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE list administrator, send an email > to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE mailing list, send an > email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > >

> Good morning all Please can someone assist me? I have got my dad's army number. How do I go about finding out his Military History/Service Record and any awards he may have received? Thanks Tammy

Good afternoon, My cousin would like to go to a Home Affairs office to get some ancestor's marriage certificates. Could anyone advise me where the Home Affairs Office for marriage certificates, is, in Pretoria. Your help would be most appreciated. Kind regards and thank you Sybil (sybilbj@gmail.com)

Until I was contacted by an 1877 Gonubie Settlers' descendent I had no idea that the little booklet I had of the "Gonubie Presbyterian Church 1886 - 1986 - A short history of the Church and the people compiled by Natalie KEMP." might be very hard to get hold of. In case others might be looking for it - or didn't know it existed - I've gone through my copy and below this email is a list of every name that appears in the booklet. If anyone would like to have an e-copy of the page/s on which a name appears please let me know. I have also scanned in the entire booklet, but it is a large file and if you would like the whole copy it would be better sent via Dropbox. Best wishes, Moira Moira Macdonald Researching GEDDIE, KERR, WHITFIELD, BOTHA (Eastern Cape) MACDONALD (Western Cape, Transvaal and Zimbabwe) The booklet is 28 pages A5 size, plus photographs at the end. On the Acknowledgements page, against each name, it briefly states what the acknowledgement was for. Also mentioned is the Gonubie Library - "for their detailed research into some of the family histories" AVERY, W., Rev. - page 21 and at the end a photo "A group outside the Church with Rev. Avery" AVIS, Mary Ann - page 4 BAKER, Claire - mentioned in Acknowledgements BARBOUR, Rene - page 11 BARBOUR, Tom - page 11 BARRETT, John - page 1, 25 BARRETT, Joseph - page 18-19 BARRETT [Family] - page 9 BARTLETT, Anthony - page 23 and a photo BARTLETT, Phyllis - page 23 BAXTER, Charles McDonald - page 4 BAXTER, Charlotte Mary Ann Margaret - page 4, 5 BLACK, "Mr" - page 17 BLAIR, George, Dr. - mentioned in Foreword BOTHMA, Dave - page 21 BOWKER - see Ivy MACKENZIE BREETZKE, Mabel - page 5 BRYSON, Bob - page 8 BRYSON, Janet - page 8 BRYSON, Margaret - page 9, 24 BRYSON, Thomas W - page 1, 8, 15, 26-7, photo of him plus wife CAIRNS, Lindsay - page 22 CAMPBELL, Wm. Darroch, Rev. - wrote the Foreword, mentioned in Acknowledgements COOMBS, Eileen - page 5 COOPER, Lilly - mentioned in Acknowledgements COWPER, George - page 1 COWPER [Family] - page 10 CROSS, [Family no first name] - page 1, 11, 25 CROSS, Donald - page 11 CROSS, Jane - page 11 CROSS, William, - page 11 CROSS, "Mrs" - page 25 DEMPSTER, John - page 4 DEMPSTER, Mary Jane - page 4 - plus with PEDEN, William & Family in photo DODKINS, Agnes - Brambleites group photo in middle row DODKINS, Dorothy Lillian Kate - page 5 DODKINS, Dorothy Lillian Kate [daughter] - page 6, 20 DODKINS, Fanny - page 6, 13[photo] DODKINS, Georgia Grace - page 6 DODKINS, Isabella Fanny - page 6 DODKINS, Margaret Annie Edith - page 6 DODKINS, Thomas - page 5 DODKINS, Wilhelmina Ellen - page 6 DODKINS, William Stacey - page 5, 6, 16 DODKINS, "Miss" [first name not given - married William HAMILTON - see below] DODKINS, "Mr" - group photo back row Brambleites DODKINS - photo - "The DODKINS FAMILY at KWELGA" and photo "The daughters of William Stacey Dodkins & Agnes Johnstone Lennox - L to R Fanny, Mink, Maggie, Agnes and Kate" DURKIN, Mary - page 7 Field, Ellen - page 18 FERGUSON, J T Rev. page 14-15, 25 and mentioned in Foreword FERGUSSON, "Mrs" - page 25 GAYLARD, Joyce - mentioned in Acknowledgements GRANT, Leith, Rev. - page 20 GREEN, [no name, married Jessie KRUUSE] - page 21, GREEN, Ernie [poss the above?] in group photo, back row "Merry Brambleites" GREEN, Jessie - Brambleites group photo front row HAIR, Mary - page 4 HAMILTON, [a. n. other not named] - page 9 HAMILTON, David - page 9 HAMILTON, James - page 1, 9 HAMILTON, Margaret - page 9 HAMILTON, Rachel - page 9 HAMILTON, Thomas - page 9 HAMILTON, William - page 9, 13[photo] HANSEN, Neil - page 5 HANSEN, Peter - page 5 HAY, "Mr and Mrs" - page 17 HECTOR, [no first name, family] - page 1, 11 HECTOR, "Miss" [no first name, married name BARBOUR, mother of Tom] HEMMING, A. S. - 2 photos in costume for performances HEMMING/HENNING ??? HENNING, Bert - page 20, group photo back row the Brambleites HILL, Ellen - page 16, 18 and mentioned in Acknowledgements HOOD, Ann - page 4 HORRMANN, Wesley - page 8 JOHNNY, Rev. - page 25 KEMP, "family" - page 8 KERR, George - page 8 KERR, John [incorrect, should be William]- page 1, 9 KERR [Family] - page 9 KERR, "Mrs" - page 25 KERR, Jock [probably nickname, should be John] - page 9 KRULL, E V - page 9, 11 KRUUSE, Douglas - page 8, 14, 18 and mentioned in Acknowledgements KRUUSE, Edward Waldemar - page 8, 10 KRUUSE, Ernest Cecil - page 18-19 KRUUSE, Jessie - page 21 and mentioned in Acknowledgements KRUUSE, Laijla - page 21 KRUUSE, Roland - page 9 KRUUSE, Shirley - page 21 LARGUE, John - page 1, 10, photo LARGUE, Margaret [see also under BRYSON] - page 24, photo LARGUE, Alan - see below LARGUE, Ronald - Page 9, photo in Highland dress with [son?] Alan at Marguerita KRUUSE's wedding - and is mentioned in Acknowledgements LAWSON, Dick - page 7-8 LAWSON, Edna - page 8 LENNOX, Agnes Johnstone - page 5, 6, 16 LENNOX, Bella - page 5 LENNOX, Matthew - page 1, 5, 6 LENNOX, Matthew Johnstone - page 5 LORD, [Edna] - page 8 MACKENZIE, [James?] first name not given - page 2, 26 MACKENZIE, Argo - Brambleites group photo front row MACKENZIE, Christina - page 3 MACKENZIE, Edna - page 19 MACKENZIE, James - page 1, 3, 14, 15, 16, 26, 27 MACKENZIE, Hector - page 22 MACKENZIE, Ivy - Brambleites group photo m middle row MACKENZIE, Thelma - Brambleites group photo m middle row plus photo 3 old maids with Sheila Mclean and Molly Mackenzie MACKENZIE, "Mrs A" - page 20 MACKENZIE, "Mrs Robert" - page 20 MACLEAN, Sheila - Brambleites group photo middle row plus photo 3 old maids with Thelma Mackenzie and Molly Mackenzie {incorrect? - should be MACLACHLAN?] MACLAGHLAN, Molly - page 18, 21, Brambleites group photo m middle row and mentioned in Acknowledgements MACLAGHLAN, Stewart - page 21, group photo back row the Brambleites MCBEATH, Marion - page 3 MCGREGOR, no first name - page 1 MCGREGOR [Family] - page 10 MCLENNON, Cecil - group photo back row the Brambleites MCNEILAGE, James Mackenzie - page 1 MCNEILAGE [Family] - page 9 MCRAE, Donald, Rev. - page 22 MCRAE, Joseph - page 1, 11 MCRAE, "Mr and Mrs" - page 12, 25 photo "The House which the McRae's built" MILLIGAN, [no first name given] Rev. - page 22 MITCHELL, Gordon, Rev. - page 23, photo at end, and mentioned in Acknowledgements MULLER, Frank - page 5 PACHONICK, Joseph - page 17 PARKER, Aileen - page 6, 19 PEDEN, Bernice - page 5 PEDEN, Hugh - page 4 PEDEN, Hugh McDonald - page 4, 5 PEDEN, Ivan - page 5 PEDEN, Margaret - page 5 PEDEN, Mary Frances - page 4, 5 PEDEN, Mary Hair - page 4, 5 PEDEN, N - mentioned in Acknowledgements PEDEN, Neville Brian - page 5 PEDEN, Roydon Charles - page 5 PEDEN, William - page 1, 3, 4, 14, 16 - photo with wife Mary Jane DEMPSTER and family PEDEN, William Charles - page 4, 5 PEDEN, William Hood - page 4, 5, photo portrait head and shoulders PEINKE, Shirley - page 12, 21 POWELL, [Family] -page 12-13 POWELL, William - page 1, 12-13 RICHTER, Herbert - page 18 ROBERTSON [Family] - page 1, 10-11 ROBERTSON {daughters] - page 12 ROBERTSON, R., Rev. - page 22 ROSE, "Mrs" - page 21, 22 ROSE, Ray, Rev. - page 22 SHOOTER, Alec - page 3 SLEMENT, Agnes - page 7, 8 SLEMENT, Durkin - page 7 SLEMENT, Elizabeth - page 7, 8 SLEMENT, James - page 1, 7, 14 SLEMENT, James [son] - page 7, 8 SLEMENT, John - page 7-8 SLEMENT, Mary - page 7, 8 SLEMENT, Peter - page 7 SLEMENT, Mathilda - page 7, 8 SLEMENT, William - page 7 SONNENBERGER, Ivan - page 18 SONNENBERGER, Joseph - page 17 SONNENBERGER, Theresa - page 12 SPERSHOTT, Moss - page 8 STACEY, Fanny Elizabeth - page 5-6 SWART, Enid - page 21 TENNANT, Alexander - page 1, 2, 14, 15, 16, photo TENNANT, Gladys - page 17 and mentioned in Acknowledgements TENNANT, Jessie - page 2, 3 TENNANT, John - page 2, 3 TENNANT, Martha Lockhart - page 2 TENNANT, Mary - page 2, 3 TENNANT, Tina - page 2, 3 TENNANT, William - page 2, 3 TURNER, Bernie - page 9 TURNER, Marie - [poss married to Bernie, above] - page 9 mentioned in Acknowledgements ULYATE, "Mr" - page 17 VENABLES, Dick - photo WOOD, "Mrs" - page 18

Hi Moira, Thanks for posting the info. Could you kindly let me have copies of the KERR and PEINKE pages. Which line of the KERR family are you researching. Kind regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: moira macdonald via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sender: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 12:05:21 To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: moira macdonald <munyori@blueyonder.co.uk>, south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] 1877 Scottish Agricultural Settlers - list of names of people in the Gonubie Presbyterian Church centenary booklet Until I was contacted by an 1877 Gonubie Settlers' descendent I had no idea that the little booklet I had of the "Gonubie Presbyterian Church 1886 - 1986 - A short history of the Church and the people compiled by Natalie KEMP." might be very hard to get hold of. In case others might be looking for it - or didn't know it existed - I've gone through my copy and below this email is a list of every name that appears in the booklet. If anyone would like to have an e-copy of the page/s on which a name appears please let me know. I have also scanned in the entire booklet, but it is a large file and if you would like the whole copy it would be better sent via Dropbox. Best wishes, Moira Moira Macdonald Researching GEDDIE, KERR, WHITFIELD, BOTHA (Eastern Cape) MACDONALD (Western Cape, Transvaal and Zimbabwe) The booklet is 28 pages A5 size, plus photographs at the end. On the Acknowledgements page, against each name, it briefly states what the acknowledgement was for. Also mentioned is the Gonubie Library - "for their detailed research into some of the family histories" AVERY, W., Rev. - page 21 and at the end a photo "A group outside the Church with Rev. Avery" AVIS, Mary Ann - page 4 BAKER, Claire - mentioned in Acknowledgements BARBOUR, Rene - page 11 BARBOUR, Tom - page 11 BARRETT, John - page 1, 25 BARRETT, Joseph - page 18-19 BARRETT [Family] - page 9 BARTLETT, Anthony - page 23 and a photo BARTLETT, Phyllis - page 23 BAXTER, Charles McDonald - page 4 BAXTER, Charlotte Mary Ann Margaret - page 4, 5 BLACK, "Mr" - page 17 BLAIR, George, Dr. - mentioned in Foreword BOTHMA, Dave - page 21 BOWKER - see Ivy MACKENZIE BREETZKE, Mabel - page 5 BRYSON, Bob - page 8 BRYSON, Janet - page 8 BRYSON, Margaret - page 9, 24 BRYSON, Thomas W - page 1, 8, 15, 26-7, photo of him plus wife CAIRNS, Lindsay - page 22 CAMPBELL, Wm. Darroch, Rev. - wrote the Foreword, mentioned in Acknowledgements COOMBS, Eileen - page 5 COOPER, Lilly - mentioned in Acknowledgements COWPER, George - page 1 COWPER [Family] - page 10 CROSS, [Family no first name] - page 1, 11, 25 CROSS, Donald - page 11 CROSS, Jane - page 11 CROSS, William, - page 11 CROSS, "Mrs" - page 25 DEMPSTER, John - page 4 DEMPSTER, Mary Jane - page 4 - plus with PEDEN, William & Family in photo DODKINS, Agnes - Brambleites group photo in middle row DODKINS, Dorothy Lillian Kate - page 5 DODKINS, Dorothy Lillian Kate [daughter] - page 6, 20 DODKINS, Fanny - page 6, 13[photo] DODKINS, Georgia Grace - page 6 DODKINS, Isabella Fanny - page 6 DODKINS, Margaret Annie Edith - page 6 DODKINS, Thomas - page 5 DODKINS, Wilhelmina Ellen - page 6 DODKINS, William Stacey - page 5, 6, 16 DODKINS, "Miss" [first name not given - married William HAMILTON - see below] DODKINS, "Mr" - group photo back row Brambleites DODKINS - photo - "The DODKINS FAMILY at KWELGA" and photo "The daughters of William Stacey Dodkins & Agnes Johnstone Lennox - L to R Fanny, Mink, Maggie, Agnes and Kate" DURKIN, Mary - page 7 Field, Ellen - page 18 FERGUSON, J T Rev. page 14-15, 25 and mentioned in Foreword FERGUSSON, "Mrs" - page 25 GAYLARD, Joyce - mentioned in Acknowledgements GRANT, Leith, Rev. - page 20 GREEN, [no name, married Jessie KRUUSE] - page 21, GREEN, Ernie [poss the above?] in group photo, back row "Merry Brambleites" GREEN, Jessie - Brambleites group photo front row HAIR, Mary - page 4 HAMILTON, [a. n. other not named] - page 9 HAMILTON, David - page 9 HAMILTON, James - page 1, 9 HAMILTON, Margaret - page 9 HAMILTON, Rachel - page 9 HAMILTON, Thomas - page 9 HAMILTON, William - page 9, 13[photo] HANSEN, Neil - page 5 HANSEN, Peter - page 5 HAY, "Mr and Mrs" - page 17 HECTOR, [no first name, family] - page 1, 11 HECTOR, "Miss" [no first name, married name BARBOUR, mother of Tom] HEMMING, A. S. - 2 photos in costume for performances HEMMING/HENNING ??? HENNING, Bert - page 20, group photo back row the Brambleites HILL, Ellen - page 16, 18 and mentioned in Acknowledgements HOOD, Ann - page 4 HORRMANN, Wesley - page 8 JOHNNY, Rev. - page 25 KEMP, "family" - page 8 KERR, George - page 8 KERR, John [incorrect, should be William]- page 1, 9 KERR [Family] - page 9 KERR, "Mrs" - page 25 KERR, Jock [probably nickname, should be John] - page 9 KRULL, E V - page 9, 11 KRUUSE, Douglas - page 8, 14, 18 and mentioned in Acknowledgements KRUUSE, Edward Waldemar - page 8, 10 KRUUSE, Ernest Cecil - page 18-19 KRUUSE, Jessie - page 21 and mentioned in Acknowledgements KRUUSE, Laijla - page 21 KRUUSE, Roland - page 9 KRUUSE, Shirley - page 21 LARGUE, John - page 1, 10, photo LARGUE, Margaret [see also under BRYSON] - page 24, photo LARGUE, Alan - see below LARGUE, Ronald - Page 9, photo in Highland dress with [son?] Alan at Marguerita KRUUSE's wedding - and is mentioned in Acknowledgements LAWSON, Dick - page 7-8 LAWSON, Edna - page 8 LENNOX, Agnes Johnstone - page 5, 6, 16 LENNOX, Bella - page 5 LENNOX, Matthew - page 1, 5, 6 LENNOX, Matthew Johnstone - page 5 LORD, [Edna] - page 8 MACKENZIE, [James?] first name not given - page 2, 26 MACKENZIE, Argo - Brambleites group photo front row MACKENZIE, Christina - page 3 MACKENZIE, Edna - page 19 MACKENZIE, James - page 1, 3, 14, 15, 16, 26, 27 MACKENZIE, Hector - page 22 MACKENZIE, Ivy - Brambleites group photo m middle row MACKENZIE, Thelma - Brambleites group photo m middle row plus photo 3 old maids with Sheila Mclean and Molly Mackenzie MACKENZIE, "Mrs A" - page 20 MACKENZIE, "Mrs Robert" - page 20 MACLEAN, Sheila - Brambleites group photo middle row plus photo 3 old maids with Thelma Mackenzie and Molly Mackenzie {incorrect? - should be MACLACHLAN?] MACLAGHLAN, Molly - page 18, 21, Brambleites group photo m middle row and mentioned in Acknowledgements MACLAGHLAN, Stewart - page 21, group photo back row the Brambleites MCBEATH, Marion - page 3 MCGREGOR, no first name - page 1 MCGREGOR [Family] - page 10 MCLENNON, Cecil - group photo back row the Brambleites MCNEILAGE, James Mackenzie - page 1 MCNEILAGE [Family] - page 9 MCRAE, Donald, Rev. - page 22 MCRAE, Joseph - page 1, 11 MCRAE, "Mr and Mrs" - page 12, 25 photo "The House which the McRae's built" MILLIGAN, [no first name given] Rev. - page 22 MITCHELL, Gordon, Rev. - page 23, photo at end, and mentioned in Acknowledgements MULLER, Frank - page 5 PACHONICK, Joseph - page 17 PARKER, Aileen - page 6, 19 PEDEN, Bernice - page 5 PEDEN, Hugh - page 4 PEDEN, Hugh McDonald - page 4, 5 PEDEN, Ivan - page 5 PEDEN, Margaret - page 5 PEDEN, Mary Frances - page 4, 5 PEDEN, Mary Hair - page 4, 5 PEDEN, N - mentioned in Acknowledgements PEDEN, Neville Brian - page 5 PEDEN, Roydon Charles - page 5 PEDEN, William - page 1, 3, 4, 14, 16 - photo with wife Mary Jane DEMPSTER and family PEDEN, William Charles - page 4, 5 PEDEN, William Hood - page 4, 5, photo portrait head and shoulders PEINKE, Shirley - page 12, 21 POWELL, [Family] -page 12-13 POWELL, William - page 1, 12-13 RICHTER, Herbert - page 18 ROBERTSON [Family] - page 1, 10-11 ROBERTSON {daughters] - page 12 ROBERTSON, R., Rev. - page 22 ROSE, "Mrs" - page 21, 22 ROSE, Ray, Rev. - page 22 SHOOTER, Alec - page 3 SLEMENT, Agnes - page 7, 8 SLEMENT, Durkin - page 7 SLEMENT, Elizabeth - page 7, 8 SLEMENT, James - page 1, 7, 14 SLEMENT, James [son] - page 7, 8 SLEMENT, John - page 7-8 SLEMENT, Mary - page 7, 8 SLEMENT, Peter - page 7 SLEMENT, Mathilda - page 7, 8 SLEMENT, William - page 7 SONNENBERGER, Ivan - page 18 SONNENBERGER, Joseph - page 17 SONNENBERGER, Theresa - page 12 SPERSHOTT, Moss - page 8 STACEY, Fanny Elizabeth - page 5-6 SWART, Enid - page 21 TENNANT, Alexander - page 1, 2, 14, 15, 16, photo TENNANT, Gladys - page 17 and mentioned in Acknowledgements TENNANT, Jessie - page 2, 3 TENNANT, John - page 2, 3 TENNANT, Martha Lockhart - page 2 TENNANT, Mary - page 2, 3 TENNANT, Tina - page 2, 3 TENNANT, William - page 2, 3 TURNER, Bernie - page 9 TURNER, Marie - [poss married to Bernie, above] - page 9 mentioned in Acknowledgements ULYATE, "Mr" - page 17 VENABLES, Dick - photo WOOD, "Mrs" - page 18 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a typescript copy of "Memoirs of Granny (Kirk) Blake 1823-1906 - Told to her granddaughter Helen Rosa Morony (nee Kirk) Any takers? It will be posted snailmail too big for digital. Patricia aka Pat Frykberg

Would love a copy.  Will pay any costs. Thanks Norma  Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Pat Frykberg via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Date:23/05/2015 03:42 (GMT+02:00) To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com, south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [ZA-EC] Granny Kirk Blake I have a typescript copy of "Memoirs of Granny (Kirk) Blake 1823-1906 - Told to her granddaughter Helen Rosa Morony (nee Kirk) Any takers? It will be posted snailmail too big for digital. Patricia aka Pat Frykberg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Patricia, et al, You sent me this document many years ago, for which I thank you.  I scanned your original, and tidied up some of the scan and saved the result in a pdf file. Before you go spending your hard earned savings in posting paper copies throughout the world, I made the pdf file available for download off my 1820settlers.com website. Go to www.1820Settlers.comSelect 1820 Settler GenealogiesSelect the Cemeteries link - we actually just want to get to the Media Drop downs on the top right!Click the Media tab and scroll down to the Documents and click that link.The Granny Kirk pdf doc is the third one down.  Click the link.It should now open up in Adobe Reader on your pc.Save, Print or just read it in place.Enjoy. ps.  there are a few other docs there as well!  more to come.... -- Paul Tanner-Tremaine Hampshire, England email : eighteentwenty@btinternet.com website : www.1820Settlers.com On Saturday, 23 May 2015, 10:49, norma.patrick8 via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> wrote: Would love a copy.  Will pay any costs. Thanks Norma  Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Pat Frykberg via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Date:23/05/2015  03:42  (GMT+02:00) To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com, south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Cc:  Subject: [ZA-EC] Granny Kirk Blake I have a typescript  copy of "Memoirs of Granny (Kirk) Blake 1823-1906 - Told to her granddaughter Helen Rosa Morony (nee Kirk) Any takers? It will be posted snailmail too big for digital. Patricia aka Pat Frykberg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would like to accept your offer if it is still available, thank you Pat. I have an Auckland address to post to if that is most convenient, and it will be picked up for me in a few months for transport to the UK. Please let me know off list details of costs, etc. My e-mail address: ctrhine@talktalk.net Thank you very much John John Powell I have a typescript copy of "Memoirs of Granny (Kirk) Blake 1823- 1906 - Told to her granddaughter Helen Rosa Morony (nee Kirk) Any takers? It will be posted snailmail too big for digital. Patricia aka Pat Frykberg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message