Hi all Listers, Can someone tell me how I can obtain a list of the passengers who travelled on the "Aurifera" which sailed from Liverpool with 164 adults and 62 children on 24 April 1858. I believe that my g-grandmother. Mary Jane Thorn and her daughter, Mary Anderton Thorn were on that ship. I see that the passenger list is stored in the Cape Archives as IBC 6-1. Can these list be viewed online? Thanks for any help David Thorn - Nelson Bay Australia.

Transcribed from originals at The British Library http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.php/grahamstown-journal/1226-grahamstown-journal-1867-4-october-to-december That completes the transcriptions of the images I took on my last visit to The British Library. I'll be off on our annual trip to France and Italy the week after next, but our son hopes to be moving house in London at the end of July so I expect I'll be up there quite a bit and can order in the next batch. Sue

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Good evening all from a c c cold Cape Town, Are there any listers with interests in these two families who have maped the marriages between members of the family. Many of these marriages have roots or ties in the RANDALL family. Any pointers from anyone? Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Posted on behalf of Richard Ball - Sue ---- Richard Wolfaardt's team of transcribers has completed the transcription of the passenger lists contained in the Cape Archives classs PWD 2-753, consisting arrivals at Cape Town, between December 1873 and 1876, of 71 ships and 669 immigrant names. These particular listings do not include the names of wives and children when they accompanied male immigrants but do mention that they did so and usually give the age and sex of the children. The surnames of immigrants on this list can be found on here: http://www.eggsa.org/arrivals/surnames_included_in_PWD-2-753.html These transcriptions are included in the eGGSA Passenger List Database which now contains details of 1794 voyages and 79,184 passenger names between 1850 and 1911. http://www.eggsa.org/arrivals/eGGSA%20Passenger%20Project.html Many thanks to Alta Griffiths for photographing the documents, to the Western Cape Archives for permission to do so and to the transcribers: James Anderson, John Deare, Basil G Royston, Ray Pitt and Richard Wolfaardt. With many thanks, Richard Richard BallNorfolk, Englandhttp://www.eggsa.org

Badly in need of advice please. Where do I gain the most convenient access to both marriage and christening records, for the ca. 1925, in Kimberley. Denomination not certain; most probably Presbyterian, but could be Anglican or Methodist. Thank you! Peter

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Hallo David You can order copies of documents from the Master's Office in each of the regions at a fee of about R 5 per page. See the website www.doj.gov.za and navigate to Master's Office Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Luke via Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 7:15 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com; south-africa@rootsweb.com; rodg@tiscali.co.za Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Master of the High Court Online The site says "This information on the ICMS Master's Office Web Portal is available from year 2008." Nonetheless useful for me too. Thanks for the pointer. These are index references. Does anybody know if I could get the file if I needed it? I'm still missing a number of deaths before 2008 (1950-- ) that aren't on NAAIRS either. Does anybody understand that? David Luke

The site says "This information on the ICMS Master's Office Web Portal is available from year 2008." Nonetheless useful for me too. Thanks for the pointer. These are index references. Does anybody know if I could get the file if I needed it? I'm still missing a number of deaths before 2008 (1950-- ) that aren't on NAAIRS either. Does anybody understand that? David Luke ________________________________ From: rodg@tiscali.co.za <rodg@tiscali.co.za> Sent: June 9, 2015 2:33 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com; south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Master of the High Court Online Good Morning Darryl,This site is very useful and has helped me a great deal. However I am looking for an estate in the late 1980's but have not seen any in those years. Have they been moved to another site or possibly not yet recorded? Regards, Rod g From: rodg@tiscali.co.za Sent: 2015/05/19 04:40:31 PM To: rodg@tiscali.co.za Cc: Subject: FW: [ZA-EC] Master of the High Court Online From: rodg@tiscali.co.za Sent: 2015/03/05 05:54:48 AM To: rodg@tiscali.co.za Cc: Subject: FW: [ZA-EC] Master of the High Court Online From: darryl@allwrights.co.za Sent: 2011/09/10 11:09:40 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com,SOUTH-AFRICA-ORANGE-FREE-STATE@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: FW: [ZA-EC] Master of the High Court Online HI ALL MASTER OF THE HIGH COURT ESTATES UP UNTIL +/- 2008 ARE NOW ONLINE The link is https://icmsweb.justice.gov.za/mastersinformation DARRYL ALLWRIGHT ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Good Morning Darryl,This site is very useful and has helped me a great deal. However I am looking for an estate in the late 1980's but have not seen any in those years. Have they been moved to another site or possibly not yet recorded? Regards, Rod g From: rodg@tiscali.co.za Sent: 2015/05/19 04:40:31 PM To: rodg@tiscali.co.za Cc: Subject: FW: [ZA-EC] Master of the High Court Online From: rodg@tiscali.co.za Sent: 2015/03/05 05:54:48 AM To: rodg@tiscali.co.za Cc: Subject: FW: [ZA-EC] Master of the High Court Online From: darryl@allwrights.co.za Sent: 2011/09/10 11:09:40 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com,SOUTH-AFRICA-ORANGE-FREE-STATE@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: FW: [ZA-EC] Master of the High Court Online HI ALL MASTER OF THE HIGH COURT ESTATES UP UNTIL +/- 2008 ARE NOW ONLINE The link is https://icmsweb.justice.gov.za/mastersinformation DARRYL ALLWRIGHT ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Perhaps an older brother of your Constance? Surname WESTCOTT First_Names Douglas James Parents David Henry and Ivy May of Tharfield Birth_Date 1902/12/15 Baptised_Date 1903/04/23 Birthplace_Residence Comments Place_Baptised Entry Item_No 4 Film 1560861 Church Wesleyan Methodist - Peddie Remarks_Transcriber Minister Or older siblings? Surname WESTCOTT First_Names Ella Susan Parents Thomas Frederick and Susan of Tharfield Shrewsbury Birth_Date 1898/09/14 Baptised_Date 1898/10/30 Birthplace_Residence Comments Place_Baptised Entry Item_No 4 Film 1560861 Church Wesleyan Methodist - Peddie Remarks_Transcriber Minister Surname WESTCOTT First_Names Maria Gwendoline Parents Thomas William and Susan of Tharfield Peddie Birth_Date 1894/06/06 Baptised_Date 1894/07/01 Birthplace_Residence Comments Place_Baptised at Shrewsbury Chapel Entry Item_No 4 Film 1560861 Church Wesleyan Methodist - Peddie Remarks_Transcriber Minister Surname WESTCOTT First_Names Aubrey Vincent Parents Thomas Frederick and Susan of Tharfield Peddie Birth_Date 1892/02/04 Baptised_Date 1892/03/09 Birthplace_Residence Comments Place_Baptised at Shrewsbury Chapel Entry Item_No 4 Film 1560861 Church Wesleyan Methodist - Peddie Remarks_Transcriber Minister There are a number of events on www.e-family.co.za (follow links for Nolene) - but we stopped transcribing baptisms in around 1904 (100 years rule) - so you would need to look at the actual register - They have been filmed by the LDS and the film number for 1912 would be the same as given above or try film: 1560896. The original registers are at Cory Library in Grahamstown. On Sunday, 7 June 2015, 7:45, rodg via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> wrote: Good morning from a freezing Cape Town, I am trying to determine who were Constance Thelma WESTCOTT's parents. I have a note she was born on Tharfield farm on 14 Dec 1912. Was the farm not in the RANDALL family at that time? Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device -------------------------------

Hi Rod, John and Paul, Read The Gradwell's of Tharfield by Dennis Adams. Regards, John. ---------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: rodg via Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 3:12 PM To: ctrhine@talktalk.net ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com ; south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Tharfield Farm Thanks John and Paul, I think the Peddie farm is the one, as she was born in Peddie. Now just to determine her parents. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: ctrhine via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sender: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2015 13:56:24 To: Eighteen-Twenty Settlers via<south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com>; <south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: ctrhine@talktalk.net, south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Tharfield Farm Hi Rod Besides the Bowker - Webb farm there is another Tharfield farm in the Eastern Cape, at Peddie, formerly named Felton. Best wishes, John John Powell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5961 / Virus Database: 4355/9965 - Release Date: 06/07/15

Hi Rod Besides the Bowker - Webb farm there is another Tharfield farm in the Eastern Cape, at Peddie, formerly named Felton. Best wishes, John John Powell

Thanks John and Paul, I think the Peddie farm is the one, as she was born in Peddie. Now just to determine her parents. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: ctrhine via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sender: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2015 13:56:24 To: Eighteen-Twenty Settlers via<south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com>; <south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: ctrhine@talktalk.net, south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Tharfield Farm Hi Rod Besides the Bowker - Webb farm there is another Tharfield farm in the Eastern Cape, at Peddie, formerly named Felton. Best wishes, John John Powell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rod, According to 'Tharfield, an Eastern Cape Farm' by C Thorpe, page 22,..." it appears that the farm was in the hands of the Bowker family - Septimus, James, then Henry Mitford Barberton who in Oct 6th 1913 sold his half to Alfred White, and Aug 19th 1913 George Lorraine White sold his half, also to Alfred White, all descendants of Miles Bowker.  Alfred White transfered the estate to Thomas Guard Webb on Jan 28th 1926, in part exchange for Burnt Kraal, plus a cash adjustment." James Randall appears to have taken over Olive Burn in 1840, the original Bowker homestead.  How long they kept it is unknown, but last year in May it was in the hands of Mike and Ann White. I do not have any info for you on Contance Thelma Westcott rgds -- Paul Tanner-Tremaine Hampshire, England email : eighteentwenty@btinternet.com website : www.1820Settlers.com On Sunday, 7 June 2015, 7:45, rodg via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> wrote: Good morning from a freezing Cape Town, I am trying to determine who were Constance Thelma WESTCOTT's parents. I have a note she was born on Tharfield farm on 14 Dec 1912. Was the farm not in the RANDALL family at that time? Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning from a freezing Cape Town, I am trying to determine who were Constance Thelma WESTCOTT's parents. I have a note she was born on Tharfield farm on 14 Dec 1912. Was the farm not in the RANDALL family at that time? Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Transcribed from originals at the British Library http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.php/grahamstown-journal/1216-grahamstown-journal-1866-4-october-to-december Sue

Transcribed from originals at the British Library http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.php/grahamstown-journal/1215-grahamstown-journal-1866-3-july-to-september Sue

Hi Mike I worry about this attachment .... If your Alfred was born 1870 - he has suddenly become a 14 year old father!! I would agree though that the wife of an Alfred was the mother of these children as per your Death Notice... Which Alfred??? There is an Alfred [Sidney] EDWARDS b Abt. 1854 to John & Sarah nee MOORCROFT living in the Winterberg/Fort Beaufort region. I dont have a reference to this sorry... John was s.o. James & Ann nee THOMAS.... otherwise, not further suggestions.. 635 EDWARDS William Percy Alfie and Annie Elizabeth of Fort Beaufort 1884/04/20 1884/05/18 Fort Beaufort Chapel 673 EDWARDS Alice Jane Alfred and Anna Elizabeth of Fort Beaufort 1885/10/09 1886/05/26 700 EDWARDS Cecil James Alfred and Anna Elizabeth of Adelaide 1886/12/19 1888/01/12 Birth Registrations: Grahamstown - Entry #143 A child born 27 Mar 1895 Take care Lynn -----Original Message----- From: Mike Wright via Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 9:26 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com ; south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Cecil James EDWARDS I believe I may have discovered Alfred's wife's death notice. Details are: Name: Annie Elizabeth EDWARDS (born COOK) Abode: Adelaide Age: 52 years (born in the Cape Province) Marital Status: Divorced Occupation: Maternity Nurse Date of Death: 17 Jun 1913 Place of Death: Sterkstroom Intended Place of Burial: Adelaide Cause of Death: Heart Failure Signed by: C.J. Edwards (son of the deceased) C.J. Edwards must surely be "my" Cecil James EDWARDS, and most of the other details tie in well. Her age at death would make her dob around 1861, so if Alfred Stephen EDWARDS (b. 6 Mar 1870) was her husband, she would have been about 25 years old to his 16 years old when Cecil James was born!! Tracking back 9 months from Cecil's date of birth (19 Dec 1886) would place his conception in about March 1870, so just after Alfred turned sweet sixteen, IF he was indeed the father! Does any of this ring any more bells with anyone? COOK researchers, for example? There appears to have been another child born to Alfred and Annie Elizabeth, baptised in 1895, as per Ellen Stanton's listing (father, mother, date of child's baptism): LDS Microfilm #1926277 Birth Certificates: 1895 Item 3: Albany #143 Alfred EDWARDS, Annie Elizabeth COOKS?, 3/27/1895 Regards Mike Wright <http://t.signaledue.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XYg1q0zH qW8p-TcR63BrClW2BW4zb56dTLQf9ddHv-02?t=http%3a%2f%2fwww.albany1820.com&si=64 18478855094272&pi=e6bb4a0a-1fd4-4993-8ddd-d3f4addaf178> www.albany1820.com From: Mike Wright [mailto:mike@albany1820.com] Sent: 30 May 2015 09:11 To: 'south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com'; 'south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com' Subject: Cecil James EDWARDS Hi All Does anyone have any info on if and how the father of Cecil James EDWARDS fits into any of the known EDWARDS lines? Here are the relevant transcriptions: Fort Beaufort Methodist Baptisms Entry #700 Child: Cecil James EDWARDS Parents: Alfred and Anna Elizabeth of Adelaide Born: 19 Dec 1886 Baptized: 12 Jan 1888 Adelaide Anglican (Christ Church) Marriages Entry #159 Husband: Cecil James EDWARDS, 25, Bachelor, Baker, Adelaide Wife: Annie Catherine ERASMUS, 20, Spinster, Adelaide Date: 26 Nov 1912 After Banns Parents Consent Witnesses: C L Sumner, D E Erasmus, Osmond Cookson So, any info on Alfred (possibly also referred to as Alfie) EDWARDS and/or his wife, Anna Elizabeth, will be greatly appreciated. By the way, my wife's uncle, who is a grandson of Cecil James EDWARDS, tells me that Cecil insisted he was born in Dordrecht. This could be true, but he was definitely baptised in Fort Beaufort, and his parents were from Adelaide. Perhaps Anna Elizabeth's parents lived in or near Dordrecht, and she went "home" for the birth? Regards Mike Wright www.albany1820.com <http://www.albany1820.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message