I am looking for the Goodman family who were certainly in the E. Cape at one time. I know only of siblings William Erastus Goodman (1842-1917) and his sister Sophia Ann Goodman (1837-97). Sophia's marriage record indicates she came from Cornwall. William had at least two children - Mabel who died young and Vivian Erastus. I believe he was also married three times - Johanna Elizabeth Green, Maria Barbara van Amstel de Wet and Ethel J.M. Lowe. Sophia was married to Raphael Daniel Norden with whom she had 11 children. I am particularly keen to identify the Goodman parents and further siblings. I know from MD Nash that a Henry and Elizabeth Goodman were in Osler's Party and that Osler came from Falmouth (Cornwall). Nash also states "No mention has been found in colonial records of the presence of ..Henry Goodman at the Cape, and ..may have been replaced at the last minute without the change being reflected in the sailing list". I do have a few NAAIRS references which I hope to follow up if I do another SA trip in March 2016. Hazel Dakers, London UK researching: BIRNBAUM (Zgierz & Lodz, Poland), GOLD (Zgierz & Lodz, Poland), HEIMANN (Luegde, Germany & South Africa), NORDEN (London and South Africa) <http://www.hazeldakers.co.uk> www.hazeldakers.co.uk

Hello Fay, Riana Le Roux - graves.eggsa@gmail.com Regards, Carol -----Original Message----- From: Fay Lea via Sent: 22 August, 2015 9:14 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] South African Genealogy Cemeteries project Can anyone tell me who is in charge of the cemeteries project. I know Alta Griffiths has handed it over, but the website still gives her address. I have some photo's of graves in the Tankwa Karoo. Regards Fay --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone tell me who is in charge of the cemeteries project. I know Alta Griffiths has handed it over, but the website still gives her address. I have some photo's of graves in the Tankwa Karoo. Regards Fay --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hello Rod This is my family and my research but not my mix-up. The mother of Sarah Daisy SELBY is Julia Catherine WARREN. Caroline Mary LLOYD first m on 13 Apr 1858 to William Henry Warren then secondly on 20 May 1867 to James Phillips. There were no children from the second marriage. Cheers Jenn Graham & Jennifer Lloyd [Genealogical & Historical Research] Plumstead Cape Town Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 Mobile: 0824037343 email: lacey@yebo.co.za www.southafricanfamily.com I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged ----- Original Message ----- From: "rodg via" <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com>; "Paul TT" <eighteentwenty@btinternet.com> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 9:03 AM Subject: [ZA-EC] Phillips/Lloyd/Warren/Selby Good morning all listers, Whilst cross checking info I came across an anomally. On Paul TT's 1820 site, fam id F15916 he gives the mother of Sarah Daisy SELBY as Julia Catherine PHILLIPS the WARREN. Years ago whilst loading the LLOYD family I found Caroline Mary LLOYD first m on 13 Apr 1858 to James PHILLIPS then secondly on 20 May 1867 to William Henry WARREN. Is there anyone researching any of these families who can verify or refute this info? Regards Rod Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Jen, Nice to have correct info. It makes it so much easier to plot family. Enjoy the weekend Regards Rod Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "Graham and Jennifer Lloyd" <lacey@yebo.co.za> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:57:38 To: <rodg@tiscali.co.za>; <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Phillips/Lloyd/Warren/Selby Hello Rod This is my family and my research but not my mix-up. The mother of Sarah Daisy SELBY is Julia Catherine WARREN. Caroline Mary LLOYD first m on 13 Apr 1858 to William Henry Warren then secondly on 20 May 1867 to James Phillips. There were no children from the second marriage. Cheers Jenn Graham & Jennifer Lloyd [Genealogical & Historical Research] Plumstead Cape Town Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 Mobile: 0824037343 email: lacey@yebo.co.za www.southafricanfamily.com I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged ----- Original Message ----- From: "rodg via" <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com>; "Paul TT" <eighteentwenty@btinternet.com> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 9:03 AM Subject: [ZA-EC] Phillips/Lloyd/Warren/Selby Good morning all listers, Whilst cross checking info I came across an anomally. On Paul TT's 1820 site, fam id F15916 he gives the mother of Sarah Daisy SELBY as Julia Catherine PHILLIPS the WARREN. Years ago whilst loading the LLOYD family I found Caroline Mary LLOYD first m on 13 Apr 1858 to James PHILLIPS then secondly on 20 May 1867 to William Henry WARREN. Is there anyone researching any of these families who can verify or refute this info? Regards Rod Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning all listers, Whilst cross checking info I came across an anomally. On Paul TT's 1820 site, fam id F15916 he gives the mother of Sarah Daisy SELBY as Julia Catherine PHILLIPS the WARREN. Years ago whilst loading the LLOYD family I found Caroline Mary LLOYD first m on 13 Apr 1858 to James PHILLIPS then secondly on 20 May 1867 to William Henry WARREN. Is there anyone researching any of these families who can verify or refute this info? Regards Rod Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

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Thanks Ryussel. What a gem this will be for her. her name Yvonne Shobbrook vonyhome@gmail.com Many thanks. wonderful people. Pat -------------------------------------------------- From: "rpcdoc via" <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 4:51 PM To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Fw: Trollope / Trollip Family tree > Hello TROLLIP aficionados > > I have a 10 000 plus database of South African TROLLIPs, so feel free to > ask > any TROLLIP related questions. I am always on the look-out for more > Afrikaans TROLLIPs, as they have been less rigorously documented.. > > All the South African TROLLIPS/TROLLOPES/TROLLOPS are related. There is a > smaller branch arising from William Lambert TROLLIP b. 1826 who is > potentially unrelated but he comes from the same area of England as Joseph > TROLLIP, the South African progenitor. > > To help Yvonne, we must first give her relatives their correct names. > Harold > would be found on most family trees as Stephen Harold TROLLIP. Yvonne's > father's full name is John Samuel Glen TROLLIP. > > If Pat could send me Yvonne's email address off-List I would be happy to > contact her and offer what assistance I can. > > Regards > > Russell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Brown via" <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > To: "Pat Frykberg" <patfryk@clear.net.nz>; "Genealogy - Eastern Cape" > <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2015 2:37 PM > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Fw: Trollope Family tree > > >> Have just been trying to fit the TROLLOPEs into the picture. I cannot >> find >> them listed under 1820 settlers names, nor any of the pre- or post- >> settlers either. Also looking at Paul T-Ts site and although he has >> TROLLIP >> and TROLLOPE families the latter are all descended from one of two >> TROLLIPs >> who changed their name to TROLLOPE. Whether this would include all the >> TROLLOPEs in SA or not I cannot tell but I would be very interested in >> trying to track them all back to a common ancestor. It would certainly >> help >> if Yvonne could give us any additional info on her g-father eg. full >> names, >> date of birth, spouse, siblings etc. >> >> Paddy >> >> On 16 August 2015 at 09:38, Pat Brown <mistyhaven@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Pat & Yvonne, >>> The BROWNs (and hence indirectly to you Pat) are definitely closely >>> linked but the spelling was TROLLIP, I know that spelling often changed >>> but >>> unless we can find at least one person with your spelling, Yvonne, who >>> is >>> definitely coupled to ours it will be problematic melding the families. >>> I >>> have 86 TROLLIPs in my database, but no Harolds. Let's hope someone else >>> has a definite link.. >>> >>> Paddy >>> >>> On 16 August 2015 at 05:56, Pat Frykberg via < >>> south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all my dear friends. I know that you will be able to give Yvonne the >>>> info or some of it. My lot had dealings with Trollops but none features >>>> directly in my families. At least they are not on my FTM, but I know >>>> and >>>> cannot now remember just how they featured. I have gone off the boil a >>>> bit >>>> as far as research is concerned. A bit? altogether I think. >>>> So help for Yvonne for my sake please? >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Yvonne Shobbrook >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2015 12:55 AM >>>> To: Pat Frykberg >>>> Subject: Re: Trollope Family tree >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Pat, >>>> >>>> >>>> Briefly, Harold Trollope was my Grandfather, Glen Trollope my dad. >>>> My Mom, aged 90, is still alive and living in Kenton-on-Sea in the >>>> Eastern Cape of South Africa. >>>> Barbara Matthews, my aunt, and author of the book about Harold >>>> Trollope, >>>> now lives in New Zealand. >>>> >>>> >>>> Please tell me how you/we are possibly connected? All very exciting >>>> finding family somewhere out there. Where do you live? >>>> >>>> >>>> Funny thing about email is that it doesn't tell all!! I live in South >>>> Africa. >>>> >>>> >>>> Hope to hear from you again. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> Yvonne >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Pat Frykberg <patfryk@clear.net.nz> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Yvonne. What was the connection? I have to confess I have not >>>> looked at that branch of the family for a long time. But give? >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Yvonne Shobbrook >>>> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:47 PM >>>> To: patfryk@clear.net.nz >>>> Subject: Trollope Family tree >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Pat, >>>> >>>> >>>> I found this email address, albeit 14 years old, whilst looking at >>>> the >>>> Trollope family sight. >>>> >>>> >>>> If this subject is still relevant please let me know by return of >>>> email, >>>> >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> >>>> >>>> Yvonne Shobbrook >>>> >>>> >>>> (nee Trollope) >>> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6086 / Virus Database: 4392/10451 - Release Date: 08/16/15 >

Have just been trying to fit the TROLLOPEs into the picture. I cannot find them listed under 1820 settlers names, nor any of the pre- or post- settlers either. Also looking at Paul T-Ts site and although he has TROLLIP and TROLLOPE families the latter are all descended from one of two TROLLIPs who changed their name to TROLLOPE. Whether this would include all the TROLLOPEs in SA or not I cannot tell but I would be very interested in trying to track them all back to a common ancestor. It would certainly help if Yvonne could give us any additional info on her g-father eg. full names, date of birth, spouse, siblings etc. Paddy On 16 August 2015 at 09:38, Pat Brown <mistyhaven@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Pat & Yvonne, > The BROWNs (and hence indirectly to you Pat) are definitely closely > linked but the spelling was TROLLIP, I know that spelling often changed but > unless we can find at least one person with your spelling, Yvonne, who is > definitely coupled to ours it will be problematic melding the families. I > have 86 TROLLIPs in my database, but no Harolds. Let's hope someone else > has a definite link.. > > Paddy > > On 16 August 2015 at 05:56, Pat Frykberg via < > south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> Hi all my dear friends. I know that you will be able to give Yvonne the >> info or some of it. My lot had dealings with Trollops but none features >> directly in my families. At least they are not on my FTM, but I know and >> cannot now remember just how they featured. I have gone off the boil a bit >> as far as research is concerned. A bit? altogether I think. >> So help for Yvonne for my sake please? >> Pat >> >> >> From: Yvonne Shobbrook >> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2015 12:55 AM >> To: Pat Frykberg >> Subject: Re: Trollope Family tree >> >> >> Hello Pat, >> >> >> Briefly, Harold Trollope was my Grandfather, Glen Trollope my dad. >> My Mom, aged 90, is still alive and living in Kenton-on-Sea in the >> Eastern Cape of South Africa. >> Barbara Matthews, my aunt, and author of the book about Harold Trollope, >> now lives in New Zealand. >> >> >> Please tell me how you/we are possibly connected? All very exciting >> finding family somewhere out there. Where do you live? >> >> >> Funny thing about email is that it doesn't tell all!! I live in South >> Africa. >> >> >> Hope to hear from you again. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Yvonne >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Pat Frykberg <patfryk@clear.net.nz> >> wrote: >> >> Hello Yvonne. What was the connection? I have to confess I have not >> looked at that branch of the family for a long time. But give? >> Pat >> >> >> From: Yvonne Shobbrook >> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:47 PM >> To: patfryk@clear.net.nz >> Subject: Trollope Family tree >> >> >> Hello Pat, >> >> >> I found this email address, albeit 14 years old, whilst looking at the >> Trollope family sight. >> >> >> If this subject is still relevant please let me know by return of email, >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> Yvonne Shobbrook >> >> >> (nee Trollope) >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2015.0.6086 / Virus Database: 4392/10433 - Release Date: >> 08/14/15 >> >> >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2015.0.6086 / Virus Database: 4392/10439 - Release Date: 08/15/15 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Hello TROLLIP aficionados I have a 10 000 plus database of South African TROLLIPs, so feel free to ask any TROLLIP related questions. I am always on the look-out for more Afrikaans TROLLIPs, as they have been less rigorously documented.. All the South African TROLLIPS/TROLLOPES/TROLLOPS are related. There is a smaller branch arising from William Lambert TROLLIP b. 1826 who is potentially unrelated but he comes from the same area of England as Joseph TROLLIP, the South African progenitor. To help Yvonne, we must first give her relatives their correct names. Harold would be found on most family trees as Stephen Harold TROLLIP. Yvonne's father's full name is John Samuel Glen TROLLIP. If Pat could send me Yvonne's email address off-List I would be happy to contact her and offer what assistance I can. Regards Russell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Brown via" <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> To: "Pat Frykberg" <patfryk@clear.net.nz>; "Genealogy - Eastern Cape" <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2015 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Fw: Trollope Family tree > Have just been trying to fit the TROLLOPEs into the picture. I cannot find > them listed under 1820 settlers names, nor any of the pre- or post- > settlers either. Also looking at Paul T-Ts site and although he has > TROLLIP > and TROLLOPE families the latter are all descended from one of two > TROLLIPs > who changed their name to TROLLOPE. Whether this would include all the > TROLLOPEs in SA or not I cannot tell but I would be very interested in > trying to track them all back to a common ancestor. It would certainly > help > if Yvonne could give us any additional info on her g-father eg. full > names, > date of birth, spouse, siblings etc. > > Paddy > > On 16 August 2015 at 09:38, Pat Brown <mistyhaven@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Pat & Yvonne, >> The BROWNs (and hence indirectly to you Pat) are definitely closely >> linked but the spelling was TROLLIP, I know that spelling often changed >> but >> unless we can find at least one person with your spelling, Yvonne, who is >> definitely coupled to ours it will be problematic melding the families. I >> have 86 TROLLIPs in my database, but no Harolds. Let's hope someone else >> has a definite link.. >> >> Paddy >> >> On 16 August 2015 at 05:56, Pat Frykberg via < >> south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi all my dear friends. I know that you will be able to give Yvonne the >>> info or some of it. My lot had dealings with Trollops but none features >>> directly in my families. At least they are not on my FTM, but I know and >>> cannot now remember just how they featured. I have gone off the boil a >>> bit >>> as far as research is concerned. A bit? altogether I think. >>> So help for Yvonne for my sake please? >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> From: Yvonne Shobbrook >>> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2015 12:55 AM >>> To: Pat Frykberg >>> Subject: Re: Trollope Family tree >>> >>> >>> Hello Pat, >>> >>> >>> Briefly, Harold Trollope was my Grandfather, Glen Trollope my dad. >>> My Mom, aged 90, is still alive and living in Kenton-on-Sea in the >>> Eastern Cape of South Africa. >>> Barbara Matthews, my aunt, and author of the book about Harold Trollope, >>> now lives in New Zealand. >>> >>> >>> Please tell me how you/we are possibly connected? All very exciting >>> finding family somewhere out there. Where do you live? >>> >>> >>> Funny thing about email is that it doesn't tell all!! I live in South >>> Africa. >>> >>> >>> Hope to hear from you again. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> Yvonne >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Pat Frykberg <patfryk@clear.net.nz> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Yvonne. What was the connection? I have to confess I have not >>> looked at that branch of the family for a long time. But give? >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> From: Yvonne Shobbrook >>> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:47 PM >>> To: patfryk@clear.net.nz >>> Subject: Trollope Family tree >>> >>> >>> Hello Pat, >>> >>> >>> I found this email address, albeit 14 years old, whilst looking at the >>> Trollope family sight. >>> >>> >>> If this subject is still relevant please let me know by return of >>> email, >>> >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> >>> Yvonne Shobbrook >>> >>> >>> (nee Trollope) >>

Hi all my dear friends. I know that you will be able to give Yvonne the info or some of it. My lot had dealings with Trollops but none features directly in my families. At least they are not on my FTM, but I know and cannot now remember just how they featured. I have gone off the boil a bit as far as research is concerned. A bit? altogether I think. So help for Yvonne for my sake please? Pat From: Yvonne Shobbrook Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2015 12:55 AM To: Pat Frykberg Subject: Re: Trollope Family tree Hello Pat, Briefly, Harold Trollope was my Grandfather, Glen Trollope my dad. My Mom, aged 90, is still alive and living in Kenton-on-Sea in the Eastern Cape of South Africa. Barbara Matthews, my aunt, and author of the book about Harold Trollope, now lives in New Zealand. Please tell me how you/we are possibly connected? All very exciting finding family somewhere out there. Where do you live? Funny thing about email is that it doesn't tell all!! I live in South Africa. Hope to hear from you again. Regards, Yvonne On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Pat Frykberg <patfryk@clear.net.nz> wrote: Hello Yvonne. What was the connection? I have to confess I have not looked at that branch of the family for a long time. But give? Pat From: Yvonne Shobbrook Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:47 PM To: patfryk@clear.net.nz Subject: Trollope Family tree Hello Pat, I found this email address, albeit 14 years old, whilst looking at the Trollope family sight. If this subject is still relevant please let me know by return of email, Best wishes, Yvonne Shobbrook (nee Trollope) No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6086 / Virus Database: 4392/10433 - Release Date: 08/14/15 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6086 / Virus Database: 4392/10439 - Release Date: 08/15/15

Hallo Saul The new Electoral Act (act 73 of 1998) determines that the Voters Roll may only be used for election purposes and declares it an offence to use the Voters Roll for any other purpose. Voters Roll for the period prior to 1998 can be found in various repositories. The most useful of these, because they are indexed alphabetically for the whole country, are the 1972 Voters Roll and the 1984 Voters Roll, The 1972 Voters Roll is available in printed form in the Pretoria Archives and the 1984 Voters Roll is available in Microfiche format in the library of the LDS in Parktown and also , I believe, in the library of GISA in Stellenbosch. The 1984 Voters Roll is currently being transcribed by GSSA and we have completed 2,5 million on the just more than 3 million names - we however are progressing at a rate of about 20,000 names per month and desperately need more volunteers to wrap up the last 500,000 names. If there are any volunteers amongst the listers, please contact me off-list at dennispretorius "at" mweb.co,za Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp South Africa Tel - 011-762-8911 Cel - 083-679-8541 Fax - 086-609-8541 -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Saul Issroff via Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2015 11:17 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] voters rolls What happens to Electoral Registers (municipal, previous provincial and general) after elections? Are they destroyed? If not where are these held and are the registers accessible to researchers? Saul Issroff

Many thanks. what about prior to 1972? Saul On 16 August 2015 at 10:36, Dennis Pretorius <dennispretorius@mweb.co.za> wrote: > Hallo Saul > > The new Electoral Act (act 73 of 1998) determines that the Voters Roll may > only be used for election purposes and declares it an offence to use the > Voters Roll for any other purpose. > > Voters Roll for the period prior to 1998 can be found in various > repositories. > > The most useful of these, because they are indexed alphabetically for the > whole country, are the 1972 Voters Roll and the 1984 Voters Roll, The 1972 > Voters Roll is available in printed form in the Pretoria Archives and the > 1984 Voters Roll is available in Microfiche format in the library of the > LDS > in Parktown and also , I believe, in the library of GISA in Stellenbosch. > > The 1984 Voters Roll is currently being transcribed by GSSA and we have > completed 2,5 million on the just more than 3 million names - we however > are > progressing at a rate of about 20,000 names per month and desperately need > more volunteers to wrap up the last 500,000 names. > > If there are any volunteers amongst the listers, please contact me off-list > at dennispretorius "at" mweb.co,za > > Dennis Pretorius > Krugersdorp South Africa > Tel - 011-762-8911 > Cel - 083-679-8541 > Fax - 086-609-8541 > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Saul > Issroff via > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2015 11:17 AM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] voters rolls > > What happens to Electoral Registers (municipal, previous provincial and > general) after elections? Are they destroyed? > If not where are these held and are the registers accessible to > researchers? > > Saul Issroff > > > -- Regards Saul

What happens to Electoral Registers (municipal, previous provincial and general) after elections? Are they destroyed? If not where are these held and are the registers accessible to researchers? Saul Issroff

Hi Pat & Yvonne, The BROWNs (and hence indirectly to you Pat) are definitely closely linked but the spelling was TROLLIP, I know that spelling often changed but unless we can find at least one person with your spelling, Yvonne, who is definitely coupled to ours it will be problematic melding the families. I have 86 TROLLIPs in my database, but no Harolds. Let's hope someone else has a definite link.. Paddy On 16 August 2015 at 05:56, Pat Frykberg via < south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi all my dear friends. I know that you will be able to give Yvonne the > info or some of it. My lot had dealings with Trollops but none features > directly in my families. At least they are not on my FTM, but I know and > cannot now remember just how they featured. I have gone off the boil a bit > as far as research is concerned. A bit? altogether I think. > So help for Yvonne for my sake please? > Pat > > > From: Yvonne Shobbrook > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2015 12:55 AM > To: Pat Frykberg > Subject: Re: Trollope Family tree > > > Hello Pat, > > > Briefly, Harold Trollope was my Grandfather, Glen Trollope my dad. > My Mom, aged 90, is still alive and living in Kenton-on-Sea in the Eastern > Cape of South Africa. > Barbara Matthews, my aunt, and author of the book about Harold Trollope, > now lives in New Zealand. > > > Please tell me how you/we are possibly connected? All very exciting > finding family somewhere out there. Where do you live? > > > Funny thing about email is that it doesn't tell all!! I live in South > Africa. > > > Hope to hear from you again. > > > Regards, > > > Yvonne > > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Pat Frykberg <patfryk@clear.net.nz> > wrote: > > Hello Yvonne. What was the connection? I have to confess I have not > looked at that branch of the family for a long time. But give? > Pat > > > From: Yvonne Shobbrook > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:47 PM > To: patfryk@clear.net.nz > Subject: Trollope Family tree > > > Hello Pat, > > > I found this email address, albeit 14 years old, whilst looking at the > Trollope family sight. > > > If this subject is still relevant please let me know by return of email, > > > Best wishes, > > > Yvonne Shobbrook > > > (nee Trollope) > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6086 / Virus Database: 4392/10433 - Release Date: > 08/14/15 > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6086 / Virus Database: 4392/10439 - Release Date: 08/15/15 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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Hi Rod. I do not know who the "Lister" was who asked for the advice. It was rather a very old e-mail, so as you can see in my opening sentence I said "if my info is still of help to you." Most of the people who had to do the writing were English. They could not understand the German accent very well, thus they spelled the names the way they heard or understood it, thus the anglicising. The German tongue fell very heavy on the English ear! Kaffraria belonged to England. By changing their names to the "English Way" they felt more part of the new country! You will often find in Germany a child is known on his second name if his father or brother have the same names. I often see that there is eg. A Heinrich Johann (may have died, the parents repeat the name) or another sibling:- Heinrich Carl, or the father/grandfather could also be Heinrich Johann. Another brother may be Heinrich Friedrich, then they would be known on their 2nd/third name. Hope this might be of help to you too. Regards. Trudie Just checked the passenger lists. On the. Wandrahm there was an August SCHMIDT and a Michael SCHMIDT both from Prussia On the Wilhelmsburg there was an Àdolph SCHMIDT from Zerrenthien. On the Peter Godeffroy there was Friedrich SCHMIDT from Tenkau >From my own research into my family who arrived the first ship in July 1858 I found many instances where names were changed for reasons I cannot find out. My own gggrandfather was born August Hermann GEBHARDT but in all documents I have seen he is referred to as only Herman. His son, when finalising his estate had to swear an avidavid that his father's names were in fact August Hermann. All his sons anglacised their christian names making it difficult to plot the family. Therefore I suggest you record you ancester as Wilhelm Friederich SCHMIDT. The spelling of Friederich may vary from family to family. I have a Frederick Wilhelm in my database b 22 June 1873 son of Matheus SCHMIDT and Carolina Louisa no name. I would be glad to let you have more on the family, although this is not my main area of research. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Trudie Marais via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sender: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:37:07 To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: Trudie Marais <trudiemarais05@gmail.com>, south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] German immigration to SA Hallo Lister, I have not worked through this list for a long time. I would like to respond to your e-mail, if my info is still of help to you. I did a quick look up through my lists, and could only find a Friederich/Friedrich Scmidt, who immigrated during 1858 to South Africa. He was born in Kutzerow, 41 years of age, wife Caroline (37) Friedrich(14), Wilhelmine(8) Johanna (3). Who came to South Africa on the Peter Godeffroy. If any of these names appear in your family, it might be worthwhile looking at a different spelling of the surname:- Scmidt instead of Smith. Regards. Trudie Marais Hello Lister I need to find lists of any german immigration to SA between 1858 to 1881. I am trying to locate the ship my gggranfather was on when he landed in SA. His death notice says he was born in Germany but his nationality was British so I am assuming he became British when he landed in SA. My gggranfather name was William Frederick Smith. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All My great grandfather was one of a great many HEIMANN cousins to emigrate to South Africa. He did so in 1860 and whilst his birth name was Jacob he was known as Julius. Confusingly there were two more contemporaneous Julius Heimann living in SA! My Jewish family came from LUEGDE near Hameln of Pied Piper fame. On my Great Grandmother's side of the family there was a Sarah Catharina SMIT b. 1858 Caernarvon/Victoria West who married her brother. Earlier in my family's history my Gt Grandmother's Grandmother, Fanny Nussbaum had left an unsuccessful marriage in Nieder Auler, HESSEN to join relations going to SA - probably in the mid 1830's. It is said that the success of the MOSENTHAL brothers in building up a trading empire in SA encouraged other Germans to emigrate there. Hazel Dakers, London UK researching: BIRNBAUM (Zgierz & Lodz, Poland), GOLD (Zgierz & Lodz, Poland), HEIMANN (Luegde, Germany & South Africa), NORDEN (London and South Africa) <http://www.hazeldakers.co.uk> www.hazeldakers.co.uk

Hi "Lister" Perhaps if the original emquirer wer to give us some additional information, eg dates places anythingwe could help further! Colin Mohr ----- Original Message ----- From: "rodg via" <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> To: "Trudie Marais" <trudiemarais05@gmail.com>; <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] German immigration to SA Just checked the passenger lists. On the. Wandrahm there was an August SCHMIDT and a Michael SCHMIDT both from Prussia On the Wilhelmsburg there was an Àdolph SCHMIDT from Zerrenthien. On the Peter Godeffroy there was Friedrich SCHMIDT from Tenkau >From my own research into my family who arrived the first ship in July 1858 >I found many instances where names were changed for reasons I cannot find >out. My own gggrandfather was born August Hermann GEBHARDT but in all documents I have seen he is referred to as only Herman. His son, when finalising his estate had to swear an avidavid that his father's names were in fact August Hermann. All his sons anglacised their christian names making it difficult to plot the family. Therefore I suggest you record you ancester as Wilhelm Friederich SCHMIDT. The spelling of Friederich may vary from family to family. I have a Frederick Wilhelm in my database b 22 June 1873 son of Matheus SCHMIDT and Carolina Louisa no name. I would be glad to let you have more on the family, although this is not my main area of research. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Trudie Marais via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sender: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:37:07 To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: Trudie Marais <trudiemarais05@gmail.com>, south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] German immigration to SA Hallo Lister, I have not worked through this list for a long time. I would like to respond to your e-mail, if my info is still of help to you. I did a quick look up through my lists, and could only find a Friederich/Friedrich Scmidt, who immigrated during 1858 to South Africa. He was born in Kutzerow, 41 years of age, wife Caroline (37) Friedrich(14), Wilhelmine(8) Johanna (3). Who came to South Africa on the Peter Godeffroy. If any of these names appear in your family, it might be worthwhile looking at a different spelling of the surname:- Scmidt instead of Smith. Regards. Trudie Marais Hello Lister I need to find lists of any german immigration to SA between 1858 to 1881. I am trying to locate the ship my gggranfather was on when he landed in SA. His death notice says he was born in Germany but his nationality was British so I am assuming he became British when he landed in SA. My gggranfather name was William Frederick Smith. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just checked the passenger lists. On the. Wandrahm there was an August SCHMIDT and a Michael SCHMIDT both from Prussia On the Wilhelmsburg there was an Àdolph SCHMIDT from Zerrenthien. On the Peter Godeffroy there was Friedrich SCHMIDT from Tenkau >From my own research into my family who arrived the first ship in July 1858 I found many instances where names were changed for reasons I cannot find out. My own gggrandfather was born August Hermann GEBHARDT but in all documents I have seen he is referred to as only Herman. His son, when finalising his estate had to swear an avidavid that his father's names were in fact August Hermann. All his sons anglacised their christian names making it difficult to plot the family. Therefore I suggest you record you ancester as Wilhelm Friederich SCHMIDT. The spelling of Friederich may vary from family to family. I have a Frederick Wilhelm in my database b 22 June 1873 son of Matheus SCHMIDT and Carolina Louisa no name. I would be glad to let you have more on the family, although this is not my main area of research. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Trudie Marais via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sender: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:37:07 To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: Trudie Marais <trudiemarais05@gmail.com>, south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] German immigration to SA Hallo Lister, I have not worked through this list for a long time. I would like to respond to your e-mail, if my info is still of help to you. I did a quick look up through my lists, and could only find a Friederich/Friedrich Scmidt, who immigrated during 1858 to South Africa. He was born in Kutzerow, 41 years of age, wife Caroline (37) Friedrich(14), Wilhelmine(8) Johanna (3). Who came to South Africa on the Peter Godeffroy. If any of these names appear in your family, it might be worthwhile looking at a different spelling of the surname:- Scmidt instead of Smith. Regards. Trudie Marais Hello Lister I need to find lists of any german immigration to SA between 1858 to 1881. I am trying to locate the ship my gggranfather was on when he landed in SA. His death notice says he was born in Germany but his nationality was British so I am assuming he became British when he landed in SA. My gggranfather name was William Frederick Smith. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message