Anyone researching VOIGHT? There is a section on a Frederick Joseph VOIGHT born in Grahamstown 1867 that appears in my copy of Men Who Made Rhodesia , The British South Africa Company’s Police by Beddy 1960 Shout if it is of interest to anyone and I will type it up. Kind regards Nikki Sedgefield No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 08:34:00

Any help here maybe: DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 13/1/4580 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 284 PART 1 DESCRIPTION BOWKER, ALAN D. LIQUIDATION AND DISTRIBUTION ACCOUNT. ACCOUNT OF SUCCESSION DUTY. STARTING 19220000 ENDING 19220000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Hilton-Taylor" <craig.hilton-taylor@sky.com> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Alan Duthie BOWKER > Hi Tombi > > Many thanks for all the extra details, that helped fill a few gaps. The > one > big difference I have concerns: > > 5. Alan Duthie BOWKER born abt Feb 1879 Graham's Town, Albany Eastern > Cape > of Good Hope died 24 March 1918 Flanders during WW1 married Ethel Mary > ATHERSTONE born May 1881, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope > died 11 August 1963 Johannesburg, Transvaal, Republic of South Africa. > > I have Alan's wife as Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER (born 31 Mar 1878 in > the Cape and died BEF 1918). Ethel was the daughter of Hilton > HILTON-BARBER > (1842-1928) and Fanny ATHERSTONE. Alan and Ethel married on 10 Mar 1909 > in > St Michael's and All Angel's Church, Middleton, Cape, South Africa. > > In support of this, if you look at the Memorial Inscription to Alan on the > Commonwealth Graves Commission website > (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/309828/BOWKER,%20ALAN%20DUTHIE) > it reads: > > "In Memory of > Lieutenant ALAN DUTHIE BOWKER > > 4th Regt., South African Infantry > who died age 38 > on 24 March 1918 > Son of Miles and Elizabeth Mary BOWKER; husband of the late Ethel > Atherstone > BOWKER. > Remembered with honour > HEM FARM MILITARY CEMETERY, HEM-MONACU" > > So his wife's 2nd name was Atherstone, and she had died before Alan was > killed in the Battle of the Somme. > There are so many cross linkages between these families and the same names > keep recurring hence it is very easy to get the wrong people linked up. So > I > am not sure which of us is correct - can anyone else help? > > Best wishes > Craig >

Thank you. Very nice of you to provide this interesting sidelight information on these WARNER men. Appreciate the effort, as will other interested researchers now and in the future. Sue A. Subject: [ZA-EC] Re : WARNER on Cape Civil Service List 1900 Hi Sue here you go! kind regards Nikki <<snipped>>

Nikki, I would like to know additional information on these WARNER men on the Cape Civil Service List. Researching Warner, Blacker, Wakeford and connected South African families. Sue A, WARNER Charles Edward Clarence jenkins Harry Bradfield William Taylor J.W.S. You wrote: If any of these are relevant to you just shout and I will type up what info there is. Kind regards Nikki Sedgefield

EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD. Port Elizabeth, Wednesday, October 8, 1986. BIRTHS. BUYS. – To Fanie and Linda (nee DE VRY), a daughter and sister for Stefan. ELLIOTT. – To Christopher and Martina (nee RIEBOLD), a daughter Robyn Mari, born on Sunday, October 5, 1986 at Sandford. GREEFF. – To Leon and Sharon (nee KEMSLEY), a son Dylan, born on Tuesday, October 7, 1986 at Sandford. JUNGSCHLAGER. – To William and Tania (nee MARAIS), a daughter, born Monday, October 6, 1986 at Kingsburg Nursing Home, Claremont, Cape Town. Granddaughter for Gene and Valma. LEDWICK. – To Jimmy and Joan, a daughter on Tuesday, October 7, 1986 at Sandford. WIND. – To Joop and Delene (nee VAN HEERDEN), a daughter born Monday, October 6, 1986 at Sandford. ENGAGEMENTS. O’GRADY. – CRESSWELL. Eddie and Gloria CRESSWELL are happy to announce the engagement of their eldest daughter, Beverley-Anne to Brendan, only son of Brendan and Cathe O’GRADY. SIMPSON. – DU PLESSIS. Les and Alma wish to announce the engagement of their youngest daughter, Cindi to Craig, eldest son of Martin and Beryl, on Tuesday, September 30, 1986. WEDDING ANNIVERSARIES. CARTER. – Wally and Jean. Best wishes on your 40th wedding anniversary. The family. DEATHS. BASFORD. – Emmie. Remembered by the members of P.E.W.A.A.. Kind thoughts to sister Enid. LAMONT. – Colin, passed away on Monday, October 6, 1986.Remembered by his brother-in-law Sammy and family. LEWUS. – Ellen, passed away Tuesday, October 7, 1986 in Pretoria, mother of Barney, Cecil and Ruven. Funeral from Tahara House today (Wednesday), October 8, 1986. Remembered by Barney and Ruth and Melanie, Lynn and Andrea of Pretoria; Cecil and Beryl and Jacqueline, Neil, Alan and Michael; Ruven and Ada and Ilana and Leora; brother Max, Sonia and families; niece Eva and Sylvia. McLEOD. – Patricia Elizabeth (nee O’CALLAGHAN), sister of Maureen and Jack BOSCH, passed away on Saturday, October 4, 1986. Missed by Alan and Rhoda. MYRON. – Jimmy, husband of Heather, father of Ann and Rowan, Alick and Fay and Grant, grandfather of Michael, John, Andrew and Natalie, passed away on Monday, October 6, 1986. Remembered by Chairman and members of R.A.F.A. VEITCH. – Katusha, passed away on Monday, October 6, 1986. Missed by Dougie and the GREENWOODS of Cradock. FUNERAL NOTICES. BOUWER. – Johannes Lodewyk Wilhelm (Lotie). Mourned by André, Lydia, Martin and grandson. The funeral will take place at the D.R. Church, Sydenham, today (Wednesday), October 8, 1986 at 11 am. Proceeding to the North End Cemetery. COBBALD. – Jeannette Findlay, passed away on October 6, 1986.The service will take place in Jones & Rice Chapel, York Road, North End tomorrow (Thursday), October 9 at 10 am. Cremation private. FELL. – Ida, aged 73 years, passed away at the Provincial Hospital, on Sunday, October 5, 1986. Mother of Margaret, mother-in-law of Eric and gran of Garry, Kevin and Craig. The service will take place at Jones & Rice Chapel, York Road, North End, , today (Wednesday), at 12 noon. Cremation private. KEETON. – Queenie. Mourned by her husband Keith, children Kathryn, Boysie, and families. Service will take place at the Settlers Church, Port Alfred, tomorrow (Thursday), October 9, 1986 at 12 midday. Cremation private. MOULD. – Maria Cornelia (Maureen), passed away on Sunday, October 5, 1986. The service will take place in the Full Gospel Church, Caldicott Street, Grahamstown, tomorrow,(Thursday), October 9 at 11 am. MYRON. – Jimmy, passed away on Monday, October 6, 1985.Service will take place in St Saviour’s Church, Walmer, tomorrow (Thursday) October 9, 1986 at 11 am. STANLEY. – Lewis, passed away Sunday, October 5, 1986. Mourned by his wife Susie, Keith, Miranda and children. Funeral will take place from the D.R. Church, Bluewater Bay, at 2 pm today (Wednesday) October 8. IN MEMORIAM. WELLS. – Helena Johanna Louisa, passed away 15 years ago today. Remembered by Trevor, Kathy and family. Transcribed by Carol BENEKE nee STEWART Port Elizabeth, South Africa. 083 482 1482 carme@iafrica.com ________________________ Researching: STEWART, STONE, LUKE, OLIVIER, BENEKE, BENECKE, VON BENECKE and related families. Facebook group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/Beneke.Benecke.von.Benecke/

Hi Craig, Tombi and Nikki There is indeed some controversy about exactly who the wife of Alan Duthie BOWKER was. However, although I cannot prove it 100%, as I have not seen a marriage certificate yet, I think that he married Ethel ATHERSTONE, and not Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER. My reasoning is as follows: Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER, it would appear, from her tombstone, never married, and only died in 1949. See http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1314810. So she clearly did not die before Alan Duthie BOWKER, and her tombstone still gives her maiden name. I have been unable to find a tombstone for Ethel Atherstone BOWKER. The only Ethel BOWKER listed on eGGSA Gravestones is Ethel Patricia Southey BOWKER, nee STIRK (http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1642925) Like, Tombi, I did not keep references when I started out (bad,bad,bad), but I have Ethel ATHERSTONE's date of birth as 5 June 1878, and that she is the daughter of Walter ATHERSTONE and Mary Ann Hornsby BLAKE. There are photographs of these two people in my great-grandmother's (Williamina CURRIE, nee BOWKER) photo album (see photo no. 90 here - http://1820settlers.com/modules.php?name=gallery2&g2_itemId=2627&g2_page=5). As you say, Craig, there are so many cross-linkages in these families that it can become very confusing. I would be very keen to hear what other listers think, as Alan Duthie BOWKER was my grandmother's (Olive CURRIE, nee BOWKER) brother. Kind regards Ian Currie On 2012/10/14 11:34 AM, Craig Hilton-Taylor wrote: > Hi Tombi > > Many thanks for all the extra details, that helped fill a few gaps. The one > big difference I have concerns: > > 5. Alan Duthie BOWKER born abt Feb 1879 Graham's Town, Albany Eastern Cape > of Good Hope died 24 March 1918 Flanders during WW1 married Ethel Mary > ATHERSTONE born May 1881, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope > died 11 August 1963 Johannesburg, Transvaal, Republic of South Africa. > > I have Alan's wife as Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER (born 31 Mar 1878 in > the Cape and died BEF 1918). Ethel was the daughter of Hilton HILTON-BARBER > (1842-1928) and Fanny ATHERSTONE. Alan and Ethel married on 10 Mar 1909 in > St Michael's and All Angel's Church, Middleton, Cape, South Africa. > > In support of this, if you look at the Memorial Inscription to Alan on the > Commonwealth Graves Commission website > (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/309828/BOWKER,%20ALAN%20DUTHIE) > it reads: > > "In Memory of > Lieutenant ALAN DUTHIE BOWKER > > 4th Regt., South African Infantry > who died age 38 > on 24 March 1918 > Son of Miles and Elizabeth Mary BOWKER; husband of the late Ethel Atherstone > BOWKER. > Remembered with honour > HEM FARM MILITARY CEMETERY, HEM-MONACU" > > So his wife's 2nd name was Atherstone, and she had died before Alan was > killed in the Battle of the Somme. > > > > There are so many cross linkages between these families and the same names > keep recurring hence it is very easy to get the wrong people linked up. So I > am not sure which of us is correct - can anyone else help? > > Best wishes > Craig > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tombi Peck > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:31 AM > To: Marielle Ford ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Kathleen Bliss BOWKER > > Hi Marielle, > I have the parents of Kathleen Bliss BOWKER as Miles Bourchier BOWKER born > about 1844 Willowfontein, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope > died 22 June 1896 Moordenaarspoort, Middelburg, Eastern Cape of Good hope > married about 1871 Elizabeth Mary 'Bessie' DUTHIE born 31 Augus 1850 Knysna, > Western Cape of Good Hope died 1 December 1923 Gulu, Rhodesia. > I have their chilfen as: > 1. Annie Duthie BOWKER born 30 Jun 1872 Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape > of Good Hope died 6 April 1956 Pallotti Nursing home, George, Western Cape. > She was married to Roderick Erskine DUMBLETON born 7 March 1873 died 13 Jun > 1967. They were married on the 12 December 1899 Oakhurst, George, Western > Cape. > 2. Mary Constance 'Girlie' BOWKER born 30 April 1874 Eastern Cape of Good > Hope died about 1928 married St. John McVERNON. > 3. Henry Mitford Duthie 'Harry' BOWKER born 3 September 1875 Signal Kop > Farm, Graham's Town Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 5 January 1932 > Cape Province, Union of South Africa married Alice Dorothy DISTIN born 28 > May 1894 Rosmead, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 28 April 1976 Salisbury, > Mashonaland, Southern Rhodesia > 4. Miles Duthie BOWKER born 19 December 1877 Signal Kop Farm, Graham's > Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 13 January 1960 Fairfax Farm, > Bathurst, Cape Province, Union of South Africa married abt 1892 Graham's > Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope Georgia 'Eulalie' HART born 22 April > 1877 Cathcart, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 27 November 1961 Dickenson > Street, Port Alfred, Cape Province, Republic of South Africa. > 5. Alan Duthie BOWKER born abt Feb 1879 Graham's Town, Albany Eastern Cape > of Good Hope died 24 March 1918 Flanders during WW1 married Ethel Mary > ATHERSTONE born May 1881, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope > died 11 August 1963 Johannesburg, Transvaal, Republic of South Africa. > 6. Elizabeth 'Bessie' Duthie BOWKER born about 1882 Eastern Cape of Good > Hope died about 1894. No Issue. > 7. Sybil Duthie BOWKER born 29 October 1883 Eastern Cape of Good Hope died > 18 June 1953 married 3 Jan 1912 Middelburg, Cape Province, Union of South > Africa Norman Mitford Bowker WHITE (a triplet his brothers being Castell > Damant Bowker WHITE and Osbaldeston Bowker WHITE) born 5 October 1875 Table > Farm, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 6 August 1936 > Cradock, Cape Province, Union of South Africa > 8. Kathleen Bliss BOWKER born about 1885 Knysna, Western Cape of Good Hope > died 28 May 1931 Queen's Hotel, Salisbury, Southern Rhodesia married Charles > 'Leslie' CUMMING born about 1894 died Unknown (First husband) and Frank > BUTLER at Middelburg, Cape of Good Hope died Unknown. > 9. Olive BOWKER born 9 November 1887 Middelburg, Cape of Good Hope died > abt 1966 Molteno, Cape Province, Republic of South Africa, married about > 1914 Harold Howard CURRIE born 26 June 1888 Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern > Cape of Good Hope died May 1963 Cathcart, Cape Province, Republic of South > Africa. > 10. Susan Mary BOWKER born 11 May 1890 Eastern Cape of Good Hope died about > 1892 Eastern Cape of Good Hope > 11. Helen Maud Bowker born about 1893 Eastern Cape of Good Hope died Unknown > married Gerald William PIERCE born in England died Unknown. > Best wishes, > Tombi Peck > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks Nikki. It fills in a few holes about distant ancestors. Take care, Lionel Nikki <alnic@polka.co.za> wrote: >Hi Lionel > >Here you go! > >William de Neuville LUCAS was Chief Clerk and Assist. Registrar in The >Department of Registrar of Deeds - Cape Town. Date of First Appointment Sep >5 1879. Fixed Appointment Date July 1 1881. His salary was 550 pounds per >annum. > >He has a section under Services of Officers > >Lucas, William De Neuville (L) - Clerk to the Civil Commissioner and >resident magistrate in Uitehage, 5th Sept 1879; acting clerk and distributor >of stamps at Hanover, from 5th May, 1883 to 8th February 1884 ; and at >Murraysburg from 9th February to 12th March, 1884; clerk at Uitenhage, 13th >March 1884; acting clerk and distributor of stamps, Port Elizabeth, 1st May >1884; clerk at Uitenhage, 1st October 1884; Port Elizabeth, 1st November >1884; clerk deeds office, Cape Town 11th October 1887; examiner, 1st March >1893; departmental auditor of transfer duty, 11th September 1894; chief >clerk and assistant registrar of deeds, 22nd July 1897; acting registrar, >12th July 1899. > >Edgar Hamilton BISSET was Clerk in The Attorney General's Office , Superior >Courts Branch. First date of Appointment Aug 12 1889. Fixed Appointment date >Feb 12 1890. His salary was 500 pounds per annum. > >There a George HUTTON who worked on the Western System of the Railways as >Erector's Foreman. >Hope this all adds to the family history >kind regards >Nikki >Sedgefield > > >-----Original Message----- >From: chiduri@comcast.net >Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 10:13 PM >To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] deMaine, Lucas, Bisset or Chiddy on Cape Civil Service >List 1900‏ > >Thanks Nikki, > >I am interested in both of them please. Also any HUTTONs as William was >married to HUTTON but I don't have much information the family. > >Best wishes, >Lionel > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Nikki <alnic@polka.co.za> >To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:53:13 -0000 (UTC) >Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] deMaine, Lucas, Bisset or Chiddy on Cape Civil Service >List 1900‏ > >Hi Lionel > >No deMaines or Chiddys I am afraid. >There is >William de Neuville LUCAS >Edgar Hamilton BISSET >if they are of interest let me know. >Kind regards >Nikki > >-----Original Message----- >From: chiduri@comcast.net >Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 9:02 PM >To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ZA-EC] deMaine, Lucas, Bisset or Chiddy on Cape Civil Service List >1900‏ > >Hello Nikki, > >Would you mind checking if there are any deMaine, Lucas, Bisset or Chiddy >entries in the CCSL please? > >Thanks very much, >Lionel de Maine > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Nikki <alnic@polka.co.za> >To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:35:06 -0000 (UTC) >Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] DRYSDALE MILNE Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ > >Hi Alison >There are the following Drysdales > >E. DRYSDALE who was Clerk in the Peninsular Artillery Branch, Volunteers, >Defence Department. Appointed to his post Sept 21 1899 at a salary of 100 >pounds per annum > >James DRYSDALE was a 1st Clerk in the Komgha branch of the Divisional >Courts and Offices. Date of first appointment Feb 1 1888 Fixed date of >appointment Aug 1 1888. His salary was 240 pounds per annum. > >There are 4 MILNEs > >Alexander Cowan >James >William M.A >William Edward > >If any of them are yours shout and I will type up the info. > >Kind regards >Nikki >Sedgefeild. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Scott and Alison >Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 1:45 AM >To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ > >Nikki, would you mind looking for Milnes and Drysdales > >Thank you > >Alison > >-----Original Message----- >From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki >Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012 12:23 AM >To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ > >Hi Rose >Nothing I am afraid. Sorry >Kind regards >Nikki > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rose McArthur >Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:15 PM >To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ZA-EC] Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ > > >Hi Nikki, >I would be most grateful if you would check to see if there is a Malcolm >MCARTHUR (MC ARTHUR) in the list. He worked for the Cape Midlands Railways >and retired in 1904. >Many thanks, >Rose > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5325 - Release Date: 10/11/12 >20:34:00 > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5325 - Release Date: 10/11/12 >20:34:00 > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5327 - Release Date: 10/12/12 >09:42:00 > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: 10/13/12 >08:34:00 > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: 10/13/12 >08:34:00 > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: 10/13/12 >08:34:00 > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5331 - Release Date: 10/14/12 >08:34:00 > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5331 - Release Date: 10/14/12 08:34:00 > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lionel Here you go! William de Neuville LUCAS was Chief Clerk and Assist. Registrar in The Department of Registrar of Deeds - Cape Town. Date of First Appointment Sep 5 1879. Fixed Appointment Date July 1 1881. His salary was 550 pounds per annum. He has a section under Services of Officers Lucas, William De Neuville (L) - Clerk to the Civil Commissioner and resident magistrate in Uitehage, 5th Sept 1879; acting clerk and distributor of stamps at Hanover, from 5th May, 1883 to 8th February 1884 ; and at Murraysburg from 9th February to 12th March, 1884; clerk at Uitenhage, 13th March 1884; acting clerk and distributor of stamps, Port Elizabeth, 1st May 1884; clerk at Uitenhage, 1st October 1884; Port Elizabeth, 1st November 1884; clerk deeds office, Cape Town 11th October 1887; examiner, 1st March 1893; departmental auditor of transfer duty, 11th September 1894; chief clerk and assistant registrar of deeds, 22nd July 1897; acting registrar, 12th July 1899. Edgar Hamilton BISSET was Clerk in The Attorney General's Office , Superior Courts Branch. First date of Appointment Aug 12 1889. Fixed Appointment date Feb 12 1890. His salary was 500 pounds per annum. There a George HUTTON who worked on the Western System of the Railways as Erector's Foreman. Hope this all adds to the family history kind regards Nikki Sedgefield -----Original Message----- From: chiduri@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 10:13 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] deMaine, Lucas, Bisset or Chiddy on Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Thanks Nikki, I am interested in both of them please. Also any HUTTONs as William was married to HUTTON but I don't have much information the family. Best wishes, Lionel ----- Original Message ----- From: Nikki <alnic@polka.co.za> To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:53:13 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] deMaine, Lucas, Bisset or Chiddy on Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Hi Lionel No deMaines or Chiddys I am afraid. There is William de Neuville LUCAS Edgar Hamilton BISSET if they are of interest let me know. Kind regards Nikki -----Original Message----- From: chiduri@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 9:02 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] deMaine, Lucas, Bisset or Chiddy on Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Hello Nikki, Would you mind checking if there are any deMaine, Lucas, Bisset or Chiddy entries in the CCSL please? Thanks very much, Lionel de Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Nikki <alnic@polka.co.za> To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:35:06 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] DRYSDALE MILNE Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Hi Alison There are the following Drysdales E. DRYSDALE who was Clerk in the Peninsular Artillery Branch, Volunteers, Defence Department. Appointed to his post Sept 21 1899 at a salary of 100 pounds per annum James DRYSDALE was a 1st Clerk in the Komgha branch of the Divisional Courts and Offices. Date of first appointment Feb 1 1888 Fixed date of appointment Aug 1 1888. His salary was 240 pounds per annum. There are 4 MILNEs Alexander Cowan James William M.A William Edward If any of them are yours shout and I will type up the info. Kind regards Nikki Sedgefeild. -----Original Message----- From: Scott and Alison Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 1:45 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Nikki, would you mind looking for Milnes and Drysdales Thank you Alison -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012 12:23 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Hi Rose Nothing I am afraid. Sorry Kind regards Nikki -----Original Message----- From: Rose McArthur Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:15 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Hi Nikki, I would be most grateful if you would check to see if there is a Malcolm MCARTHUR (MC ARTHUR) in the list. He worked for the Cape Midlands Railways and retired in 1904. 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Thanks Nikki, I am interested in both of them please. Also any HUTTONs as William was married to HUTTON but I don't have much information the family. Best wishes, Lionel ----- Original Message ----- From: Nikki <alnic@polka.co.za> To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:53:13 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] deMaine, Lucas, Bisset or Chiddy on Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Hi Lionel No deMaines or Chiddys I am afraid. There is William de Neuville LUCAS Edgar Hamilton BISSET if they are of interest let me know. Kind regards Nikki -----Original Message----- From: chiduri@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 9:02 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] deMaine, Lucas, Bisset or Chiddy on Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Hello Nikki, Would you mind checking if there are any deMaine, Lucas, Bisset or Chiddy entries in the CCSL please? Thanks very much, Lionel de Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Nikki <alnic@polka.co.za> To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:35:06 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] DRYSDALE MILNE Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Hi Alison There are the following Drysdales E. DRYSDALE who was Clerk in the Peninsular Artillery Branch, Volunteers, Defence Department. Appointed to his post Sept 21 1899 at a salary of 100 pounds per annum James DRYSDALE was a 1st Clerk in the Komgha branch of the Divisional Courts and Offices. Date of first appointment Feb 1 1888 Fixed date of appointment Aug 1 1888. His salary was 240 pounds per annum. There are 4 MILNEs Alexander Cowan James William M.A William Edward If any of them are yours shout and I will type up the info. Kind regards Nikki Sedgefeild. -----Original Message----- From: Scott and Alison Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 1:45 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Nikki, would you mind looking for Milnes and Drysdales Thank you Alison -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012 12:23 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Hi Rose Nothing I am afraid. Sorry Kind regards Nikki -----Original Message----- From: Rose McArthur Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:15 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Hi Nikki, I would be most grateful if you would check to see if there is a Malcolm MCARTHUR (MC ARTHUR) in the list. He worked for the Cape Midlands Railways and retired in 1904. Many thanks, Rose ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5325 - Release Date: 10/11/12 20:34:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5325 - Release Date: 10/11/12 20:34:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5327 - Release Date: 10/12/12 09:42:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: 10/13/12 08:34:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: 10/13/12 08:34:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: 10/13/12 08:34:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

W.C. Trenoweth was a Fordsburg, Johannesburg resident in 1909 - and a member of the Cornish Association there. Graham -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gail Röthlin" <mgroth@sunrise.ch> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 5:26 PM To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ZA-EC] TRENOWETH > Good evening Listers, > > Anybody have a Henry TRENOWETH in their tree? All I know is that he had > three sons. > > Kind regards, > Gail in Switzerland > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good evening Listers, Anybody have a Henry TRENOWETH in their tree? All I know is that he had three sons. Kind regards, Gail in Switzerland

What is your connection with the JOHNSON's. My JOHNSON's come from George. Do you have any connection to this family/ I also have an EmmaAnna BEST who married a John Graham JOHNSON in about 1868. Regards, Lynette from OZ > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 23:50:55 +0200 > From: lllouisa60@gmail.com > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] JEWELL, JAMES, JOHNSON, CHERRY, HARRISON, DU PLESSIS, WARNER on Cape Civil Service List 1900 > > Hello Nikki, > > I would be grateful if you would check if there are anything on the list of > JEWELL, JAMES, JOHNSON, CHERRY, HARRISON, DU PLESSIS or WARNER. > > Thank you very much, > Louisa > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folk I have a Ellen Peacock in my Family Tree but do not know what her family background is. She was born in 1928. Can anyone help? Regards Terry Cockcroft terrycoc@xsinet.co.za

Hi Nikki Thank you very much. James Milne is possibly mine - would really appreciate the information. Thank you Alison -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki Sent: Sunday, 14 October 2012 4:35 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] DRYSDALE MILNE Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Hi Alison There are the following Drysdales E. DRYSDALE who was Clerk in the Peninsular Artillery Branch, Volunteers, Defence Department. Appointed to his post Sept 21 1899 at a salary of 100 pounds per annum James DRYSDALE was a 1st Clerk in the Komgha branch of the Divisional Courts and Offices. Date of first appointment Feb 1 1888 Fixed date of appointment Aug 1 1888. His salary was 240 pounds per annum. There are 4 MILNEs Alexander Cowan James William M.A William Edward If any of them are yours shout and I will type up the info. Kind regards Nikki Sedgefeild. -----Original Message----- From: Scott and Alison Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 1:45 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Nikki, would you mind looking for Milnes and Drysdales Thank you Alison -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012 12:23 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Hi Rose Nothing I am afraid. Sorry Kind regards Nikki -----Original Message----- From: Rose McArthur Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:15 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Hi Nikki, I would be most grateful if you would check to see if there is a Malcolm MCARTHUR (MC ARTHUR) in the list. He worked for the Cape Midlands Railways and retired in 1904. Many thanks, Rose ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5325 - Release Date: 10/11/12 20:34:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5325 - Release Date: 10/11/12 20:34:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5327 - Release Date: 10/12/12 09:42:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: 10/13/12 08:34:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Craig, Thanks for the info....I'm afraid I didn't note my source (bad bad bad) so can't cross check that way. I think your additional information shows there is an error here.... I'll try to do a bit more hunting this end ..... Thanks for getting in touch! It is only by sharing information like this that we will get the best possible results! Best wishes, Tombi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Hilton-Taylor" <craig.hilton-taylor@sky.com> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Alan Duthie BOWKER > Hi Tombi > > Many thanks for all the extra details, that helped fill a few gaps. The > one > big difference I have concerns: > > 5. Alan Duthie BOWKER born abt Feb 1879 Graham's Town, Albany Eastern > Cape > of Good Hope died 24 March 1918 Flanders during WW1 married Ethel Mary > ATHERSTONE born May 1881, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope > died 11 August 1963 Johannesburg, Transvaal, Republic of South Africa. > > I have Alan's wife as Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER (born 31 Mar 1878 in > the Cape and died BEF 1918). Ethel was the daughter of Hilton > HILTON-BARBER > (1842-1928) and Fanny ATHERSTONE. Alan and Ethel married on 10 Mar 1909 > in > St Michael's and All Angel's Church, Middleton, Cape, South Africa. > > In support of this, if you look at the Memorial Inscription to Alan on the > Commonwealth Graves Commission website > (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/309828/BOWKER,%20ALAN%20DUTHIE) > it reads: > > "In Memory of > Lieutenant ALAN DUTHIE BOWKER > > 4th Regt., South African Infantry > who died age 38 > on 24 March 1918 > Son of Miles and Elizabeth Mary BOWKER; husband of the late Ethel > Atherstone > BOWKER. > Remembered with honour > HEM FARM MILITARY CEMETERY, HEM-MONACU" > > So his wife's 2nd name was Atherstone, and she had died before Alan was > killed in the Battle of the Somme. > > > > There are so many cross linkages between these families and the same names > keep recurring hence it is very easy to get the wrong people linked up. So > I > am not sure which of us is correct - can anyone else help? > > Best wishes > Craig > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tombi Peck > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:31 AM > To: Marielle Ford ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Kathleen Bliss BOWKER > > Hi Marielle, > I have the parents of Kathleen Bliss BOWKER as Miles Bourchier BOWKER born > about 1844 Willowfontein, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope > died 22 June 1896 Moordenaarspoort, Middelburg, Eastern Cape of Good hope > married about 1871 Elizabeth Mary 'Bessie' DUTHIE born 31 Augus 1850 > Knysna, > Western Cape of Good Hope died 1 December 1923 Gulu, Rhodesia. > I have their chilfen as: > 1. Annie Duthie BOWKER born 30 Jun 1872 Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern > Cape > of Good Hope died 6 April 1956 Pallotti Nursing home, George, Western > Cape. > She was married to Roderick Erskine DUMBLETON born 7 March 1873 died 13 > Jun > 1967. They were married on the 12 December 1899 Oakhurst, George, Western > Cape. > 2. Mary Constance 'Girlie' BOWKER born 30 April 1874 Eastern Cape of > Good > Hope died about 1928 married St. John McVERNON. > 3. Henry Mitford Duthie 'Harry' BOWKER born 3 September 1875 Signal Kop > Farm, Graham's Town Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 5 January 1932 > Cape Province, Union of South Africa married Alice Dorothy DISTIN born 28 > May 1894 Rosmead, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 28 April 1976 Salisbury, > Mashonaland, Southern Rhodesia > 4. Miles Duthie BOWKER born 19 December 1877 Signal Kop Farm, Graham's > Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 13 January 1960 Fairfax Farm, > Bathurst, Cape Province, Union of South Africa married abt 1892 Graham's > Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope Georgia 'Eulalie' HART born 22 > April > 1877 Cathcart, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 27 November 1961 Dickenson > Street, Port Alfred, Cape Province, Republic of South Africa. > 5. Alan Duthie BOWKER born abt Feb 1879 Graham's Town, Albany Eastern > Cape > of Good Hope died 24 March 1918 Flanders during WW1 married Ethel Mary > ATHERSTONE born May 1881, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope > died 11 August 1963 Johannesburg, Transvaal, Republic of South Africa. > 6. Elizabeth 'Bessie' Duthie BOWKER born about 1882 Eastern Cape of Good > Hope died about 1894. No Issue. > 7. Sybil Duthie BOWKER born 29 October 1883 Eastern Cape of Good Hope died > 18 June 1953 married 3 Jan 1912 Middelburg, Cape Province, Union of South > Africa Norman Mitford Bowker WHITE (a triplet his brothers being Castell > Damant Bowker WHITE and Osbaldeston Bowker WHITE) born 5 October 1875 > Table > Farm, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 6 August 1936 > Cradock, Cape Province, Union of South Africa > 8. Kathleen Bliss BOWKER born about 1885 Knysna, Western Cape of Good > Hope > died 28 May 1931 Queen's Hotel, Salisbury, Southern Rhodesia married > Charles > 'Leslie' CUMMING born about 1894 died Unknown (First husband) and Frank > BUTLER at Middelburg, Cape of Good Hope died Unknown. > 9. Olive BOWKER born 9 November 1887 Middelburg, Cape of Good Hope died > abt 1966 Molteno, Cape Province, Republic of South Africa, married about > 1914 Harold Howard CURRIE born 26 June 1888 Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern > Cape of Good Hope died May 1963 Cathcart, Cape Province, Republic of South > Africa. > 10. Susan Mary BOWKER born 11 May 1890 Eastern Cape of Good Hope died > about > 1892 Eastern Cape of Good Hope > 11. Helen Maud Bowker born about 1893 Eastern Cape of Good Hope died > Unknown > married Gerald William PIERCE born in England died Unknown. > Best wishes, > Tombi Peck > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Craig/ Tombi The Rex genealogy book records the following Alan Duthie BOWKER 1880-1915 m. Ethel ATHERSTONE So I think that Beddy considered her surname to be ATHERSTONE The Family register of the South African Nation - Malherbe is confusing but there is this entry under ATHERSTONE if you can make head or tail of it! I think this may also indicate that Ethel's surname was ATHERSTONE C.9.Walter tr. Mary BLAKE: Phyllis, Walter, Edwin ( 1870tr 1901mev. DONOVAN: 1 s.),William, John (1874-/13/1898 Annie DALLAS: 2 k.),Guybon ( tr. Helen d/v G.C. ATHERSTONE), Cecil, Mabel Hilda, George , Ethel ( tr. BOWKER), Harry,Frank, Clem........... Kind regards Nikki Sedgefield -----Original Message----- From: Craig Hilton-Taylor Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 11:34 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Alan Duthie BOWKER Hi Tombi Many thanks for all the extra details, that helped fill a few gaps. The one big difference I have concerns: 5. Alan Duthie BOWKER born abt Feb 1879 Graham's Town, Albany Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 24 March 1918 Flanders during WW1 married Ethel Mary ATHERSTONE born May 1881, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 11 August 1963 Johannesburg, Transvaal, Republic of South Africa. I have Alan's wife as Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER (born 31 Mar 1878 in the Cape and died BEF 1918). Ethel was the daughter of Hilton HILTON-BARBER (1842-1928) and Fanny ATHERSTONE. Alan and Ethel married on 10 Mar 1909 in St Michael's and All Angel's Church, Middleton, Cape, South Africa. In support of this, if you look at the Memorial Inscription to Alan on the Commonwealth Graves Commission website (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/309828/BOWKER,%20ALAN%20DUTHIE) it reads: "In Memory of Lieutenant ALAN DUTHIE BOWKER 4th Regt., South African Infantry who died age 38 on 24 March 1918 Son of Miles and Elizabeth Mary BOWKER; husband of the late Ethel Atherstone BOWKER. Remembered with honour HEM FARM MILITARY CEMETERY, HEM-MONACU" So his wife's 2nd name was Atherstone, and she had died before Alan was killed in the Battle of the Somme. There are so many cross linkages between these families and the same names keep recurring hence it is very easy to get the wrong people linked up. So I am not sure which of us is correct - can anyone else help? Best wishes Craig -----Original Message----- From: Tombi Peck Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:31 AM To: Marielle Ford ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Kathleen Bliss BOWKER Hi Marielle, I have the parents of Kathleen Bliss BOWKER as Miles Bourchier BOWKER born about 1844 Willowfontein, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 22 June 1896 Moordenaarspoort, Middelburg, Eastern Cape of Good hope married about 1871 Elizabeth Mary 'Bessie' DUTHIE born 31 Augus 1850 Knysna, Western Cape of Good Hope died 1 December 1923 Gulu, Rhodesia. I have their chilfen as: 1. Annie Duthie BOWKER born 30 Jun 1872 Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 6 April 1956 Pallotti Nursing home, George, Western Cape. She was married to Roderick Erskine DUMBLETON born 7 March 1873 died 13 Jun 1967. They were married on the 12 December 1899 Oakhurst, George, Western Cape. 2. Mary Constance 'Girlie' BOWKER born 30 April 1874 Eastern Cape of Good Hope died about 1928 married St. John McVERNON. 3. Henry Mitford Duthie 'Harry' BOWKER born 3 September 1875 Signal Kop Farm, Graham's Town Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 5 January 1932 Cape Province, Union of South Africa married Alice Dorothy DISTIN born 28 May 1894 Rosmead, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 28 April 1976 Salisbury, Mashonaland, Southern Rhodesia 4. Miles Duthie BOWKER born 19 December 1877 Signal Kop Farm, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 13 January 1960 Fairfax Farm, Bathurst, Cape Province, Union of South Africa married abt 1892 Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope Georgia 'Eulalie' HART born 22 April 1877 Cathcart, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 27 November 1961 Dickenson Street, Port Alfred, Cape Province, Republic of South Africa. 5. Alan Duthie BOWKER born abt Feb 1879 Graham's Town, Albany Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 24 March 1918 Flanders during WW1 married Ethel Mary ATHERSTONE born May 1881, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 11 August 1963 Johannesburg, Transvaal, Republic of South Africa. 6. Elizabeth 'Bessie' Duthie BOWKER born about 1882 Eastern Cape of Good Hope died about 1894. No Issue. 7. Sybil Duthie BOWKER born 29 October 1883 Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 18 June 1953 married 3 Jan 1912 Middelburg, Cape Province, Union of South Africa Norman Mitford Bowker WHITE (a triplet his brothers being Castell Damant Bowker WHITE and Osbaldeston Bowker WHITE) born 5 October 1875 Table Farm, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 6 August 1936 Cradock, Cape Province, Union of South Africa 8. Kathleen Bliss BOWKER born about 1885 Knysna, Western Cape of Good Hope died 28 May 1931 Queen's Hotel, Salisbury, Southern Rhodesia married Charles 'Leslie' CUMMING born about 1894 died Unknown (First husband) and Frank BUTLER at Middelburg, Cape of Good Hope died Unknown. 9. Olive BOWKER born 9 November 1887 Middelburg, Cape of Good Hope died abt 1966 Molteno, Cape Province, Republic of South Africa, married about 1914 Harold Howard CURRIE born 26 June 1888 Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died May 1963 Cathcart, Cape Province, Republic of South Africa. 10. Susan Mary BOWKER born 11 May 1890 Eastern Cape of Good Hope died about 1892 Eastern Cape of Good Hope 11. Helen Maud Bowker born about 1893 Eastern Cape of Good Hope died Unknown married Gerald William PIERCE born in England died Unknown. Best wishes, Tombi Peck ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5330 - Release Date: 10/13/12 20:34:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5330 - Release Date: 10/13/12 20:34:00

Hi Tombi Many thanks for all the extra details, that helped fill a few gaps. The one big difference I have concerns: 5. Alan Duthie BOWKER born abt Feb 1879 Graham's Town, Albany Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 24 March 1918 Flanders during WW1 married Ethel Mary ATHERSTONE born May 1881, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 11 August 1963 Johannesburg, Transvaal, Republic of South Africa. I have Alan's wife as Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER (born 31 Mar 1878 in the Cape and died BEF 1918). Ethel was the daughter of Hilton HILTON-BARBER (1842-1928) and Fanny ATHERSTONE. Alan and Ethel married on 10 Mar 1909 in St Michael's and All Angel's Church, Middleton, Cape, South Africa. In support of this, if you look at the Memorial Inscription to Alan on the Commonwealth Graves Commission website (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/309828/BOWKER,%20ALAN%20DUTHIE) it reads: "In Memory of Lieutenant ALAN DUTHIE BOWKER 4th Regt., South African Infantry who died age 38 on 24 March 1918 Son of Miles and Elizabeth Mary BOWKER; husband of the late Ethel Atherstone BOWKER. Remembered with honour HEM FARM MILITARY CEMETERY, HEM-MONACU" So his wife's 2nd name was Atherstone, and she had died before Alan was killed in the Battle of the Somme. There are so many cross linkages between these families and the same names keep recurring hence it is very easy to get the wrong people linked up. So I am not sure which of us is correct - can anyone else help? Best wishes Craig -----Original Message----- From: Tombi Peck Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:31 AM To: Marielle Ford ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Kathleen Bliss BOWKER Hi Marielle, I have the parents of Kathleen Bliss BOWKER as Miles Bourchier BOWKER born about 1844 Willowfontein, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 22 June 1896 Moordenaarspoort, Middelburg, Eastern Cape of Good hope married about 1871 Elizabeth Mary 'Bessie' DUTHIE born 31 Augus 1850 Knysna, Western Cape of Good Hope died 1 December 1923 Gulu, Rhodesia. I have their chilfen as: 1. Annie Duthie BOWKER born 30 Jun 1872 Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 6 April 1956 Pallotti Nursing home, George, Western Cape. She was married to Roderick Erskine DUMBLETON born 7 March 1873 died 13 Jun 1967. They were married on the 12 December 1899 Oakhurst, George, Western Cape. 2. Mary Constance 'Girlie' BOWKER born 30 April 1874 Eastern Cape of Good Hope died about 1928 married St. John McVERNON. 3. Henry Mitford Duthie 'Harry' BOWKER born 3 September 1875 Signal Kop Farm, Graham's Town Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 5 January 1932 Cape Province, Union of South Africa married Alice Dorothy DISTIN born 28 May 1894 Rosmead, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 28 April 1976 Salisbury, Mashonaland, Southern Rhodesia 4. Miles Duthie BOWKER born 19 December 1877 Signal Kop Farm, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 13 January 1960 Fairfax Farm, Bathurst, Cape Province, Union of South Africa married abt 1892 Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope Georgia 'Eulalie' HART born 22 April 1877 Cathcart, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 27 November 1961 Dickenson Street, Port Alfred, Cape Province, Republic of South Africa. 5. Alan Duthie BOWKER born abt Feb 1879 Graham's Town, Albany Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 24 March 1918 Flanders during WW1 married Ethel Mary ATHERSTONE born May 1881, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 11 August 1963 Johannesburg, Transvaal, Republic of South Africa. 6. Elizabeth 'Bessie' Duthie BOWKER born about 1882 Eastern Cape of Good Hope died about 1894. No Issue. 7. Sybil Duthie BOWKER born 29 October 1883 Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 18 June 1953 married 3 Jan 1912 Middelburg, Cape Province, Union of South Africa Norman Mitford Bowker WHITE (a triplet his brothers being Castell Damant Bowker WHITE and Osbaldeston Bowker WHITE) born 5 October 1875 Table Farm, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 6 August 1936 Cradock, Cape Province, Union of South Africa 8. Kathleen Bliss BOWKER born about 1885 Knysna, Western Cape of Good Hope died 28 May 1931 Queen's Hotel, Salisbury, Southern Rhodesia married Charles 'Leslie' CUMMING born about 1894 died Unknown (First husband) and Frank BUTLER at Middelburg, Cape of Good Hope died Unknown. 9. Olive BOWKER born 9 November 1887 Middelburg, Cape of Good Hope died abt 1966 Molteno, Cape Province, Republic of South Africa, married about 1914 Harold Howard CURRIE born 26 June 1888 Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died May 1963 Cathcart, Cape Province, Republic of South Africa. 10. Susan Mary BOWKER born 11 May 1890 Eastern Cape of Good Hope died about 1892 Eastern Cape of Good Hope 11. Helen Maud Bowker born about 1893 Eastern Cape of Good Hope died Unknown married Gerald William PIERCE born in England died Unknown. Best wishes, Tombi Peck

Hi Louisa There are the following JEWELL H.A. JAMES Alexander Rooke Howard Bowden Joseph Thomas JOHNSON C Francis Robert M.I.C.E H O.N. Harry Smythe Francis Herbert John Isaac Newton R.W William John CHERRY George William HARRISON C George Alfred W.H. du PLESSIS Charl Pe rus Frederick Johannes WARNER Charles Edward Clarence jenkins Harry Bradfield William Taylor J.W.S. If any of these are relevant to you just shout and I will type up what info there is. Kind regards Nikki Sedgefield -----Original Message----- From: Louisa Louw Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:50 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] JEWELL, JAMES, JOHNSON, CHERRY, HARRISON, DU PLESSIS, WARNER on Cape Civil Service List 1900 Hello Nikki, I would be grateful if you would check if there are anything on the list of JEWELL, JAMES, JOHNSON, CHERRY, HARRISON, DU PLESSIS or WARNER. Thank you very much, Louisa ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: 10/13/12 08:34:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5330 - Release Date: 10/13/12 20:34:00

EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD. Port Elizabeth, Monday, October 6, 1986. BIRTHS. McCLELAND. – To Dave and Zieta, a son, Michael David, at Sandford. ENGAGEMENTS. SPILKIN. – MILTZ. Maurice and Joan have pleasure in announcing the engagement of their daughter Sharon, to Rob, son of Gerald and Brenda of East London. DEATHS. BASFORD. – Emmie, passed away October 4, 1986. Missed by Audrey. DELL. – Allan, husband of Joan and father of Steven and Craig, passed away tragically on Friday, October 3, 1986. Missed by Mike, Tina and children; Peter and Debs; Peter, Glenda and kids; Siobhan, Kullaigh and Brendan. McLEOD. – Patricia Elizabeth (nee O’CALLAGHAN), mother of Bernard, Karen and Grant, Louise and Dalmaine, and grandmother of David, Tamryn, Laura, Benjamin and Andrew, and step grandmother of Samantha Sasha and Mandy, passed away on Saturday, October 4, 1986. Remembered by Doug, Elize, Laetitia, Kendall and Jennifer O’CALLAGHAN; fiancé Henry MAYHEW; sister of Maureen and Jack BOSCH and family. PRELLER. – George, passed away on Friday, October 3, 1986. Husband of Curtis and father of Marlene, Stephanie and Debbie. FUNERAL NOTICES. GILL. – Sydney George, passed away October 4. Service in St Saviour’s Church, Walmer, tomorrow (Tuesday) October 7 at 10 am. Interment at Forest Hill cemetery. HILL. – Harold, passed away on Thursday, October 2, 1986. Service will take place in St David’s, Church, Sunridge Park, tomorrow (Tuesday), October 7 at 11 am. Cremation private. LEVACK. – Bertie, passed away on Saturday, October 4, 1986. Funeral service at St Matin Deporres Catholic Church, Gelvandale, tomorrow (Tuesday) October 7, 1986 at 3 pm. Thence to Paapenkuils Cemetery. PRELLER. – George (Moth), will all Moths please attend the funeral service which will take place tomorrow (Tuesday), October 7, 1986 at 11 am at John Street Methodist Church. Old Bill, Dinky Di Shellhole. IN MEMORIAM. BUBB. – Terry. Remembered by Mom, Colleen, Eleanor and Mark. JURGENSEN, - Archie, passed away October 6, 1982. Remembered by his wife Hanna; Keith, Margaret and Wayne; sister Mabel and Lawrence (Zimbabwe). LACHENICHT. – Estelle, passed away October 2, 1975. Remembered by your son Godfrey. Transcribed by Carol BENEKE nee STEWART Port Elizabeth, South Africa. 083 482 1482 carme@iafrica.com ________________________ Researching: STEWART, STONE, LUKE, OLIVIER, BENEKE, BENECKE, VON BENECKE and related families. Facebook group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/Beneke.Benecke.von.Benecke/

Hi Alison James MILNE was a Clerk of works in the Public Works Dept. District No. 2 King William's Town.he was appointed Sept 1897. His salary was 255 pounds per annum. His allowances were Hut accomodation and 3/-p.d. Local. Kind regards Nikki Sedgefield -----Original Message----- From: Scott and Alison Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 3:48 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] DRYSDALE MILNE Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Hi Nikki Thank you very much. James Milne is possibly mine - would really appreciate the information. Thank you Alison -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki Sent: Sunday, 14 October 2012 4:35 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] DRYSDALE MILNE Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Hi Alison There are the following Drysdales E. DRYSDALE who was Clerk in the Peninsular Artillery Branch, Volunteers, Defence Department. Appointed to his post Sept 21 1899 at a salary of 100 pounds per annum James DRYSDALE was a 1st Clerk in the Komgha branch of the Divisional Courts and Offices. Date of first appointment Feb 1 1888 Fixed date of appointment Aug 1 1888. His salary was 240 pounds per annum. There are 4 MILNEs Alexander Cowan James William M.A William Edward If any of them are yours shout and I will type up the info. Kind regards Nikki Sedgefeild. -----Original Message----- From: Scott and Alison Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 1:45 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Nikki, would you mind looking for Milnes and Drysdales Thank you Alison -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012 12:23 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Hi Rose Nothing I am afraid. Sorry Kind regards Nikki -----Original Message----- From: Rose McArthur Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:15 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Cape Civil Service List 1900‏ Hi Nikki, I would be most grateful if you would check to see if there is a Malcolm MCARTHUR (MC ARTHUR) in the list. He worked for the Cape Midlands Railways and retired in 1904. Many thanks, Rose ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5325 - Release Date: 10/11/12 20:34:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5325 - Release Date: 10/11/12 20:34:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5327 - Release Date: 10/12/12 09:42:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: 10/13/12 08:34:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: 10/13/12 08:34:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: 10/13/12 08:34:00