Hi Gail There is no Joseph But there is William CARLIN who was a Forester in Alexandria P.E. First appointment date Jul 1 1885. Appointed to this post Sep 1 1894 at a salry of 100 pounds p.a. Kind regards Nikki -----Original Message----- From: Gail Röthlin Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:40 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] CARLIN Cape Civil Service List 1900 Nikki, Could you please check for a Joseph CARLIN also perhaps in the Forestry Dept. Thanks, Gail ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 21:22:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 21:22:00

Hi Nikki Very many thanks for your swift reply - sadly I'm chasing an R S Murray White aka White aka Murray. Thank you anyway Faraway -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki Sent: 16 October 2012 12:05 To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police MURRAY and WHITE Hi Faraway 2 MURRAYs K.A Charles S. 6 WHITEs C.M. Frederick James J. Stanley T.W. W. de L. If any of them look to be yours just shout for the info. Kind regards Nikki -----Original Message----- From: Faraway Gardner-Brown Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:21 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police Hi Nikki I'm also trying to trace a Scotsman - please would you look out for any Murray or White entries? Many thanks Faraway -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki Sent: 15 October 2012 19:34 To: Marielle Ford; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police No Mallen I am afraid. If I pick up any other Scotsmen I will message Kind regards Nikki -----Original Message----- From: Marielle Ford Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:13 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] British SA Police Hi Nikki Any mention of Scotsmen who were in the BSAP, esp. MALLEN? Thank you. Marielle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikki" <alnic@polka.co.za> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:06 PM Subject: [ZA-EC] Randolph Cosby NESBITT > Hi all > Anyone researching NESBITTS? > Randolph Colby born Queenstown. There is a section pertaining to him > in the book Men Who Made Rhodesia, British South Africa Company’s > Police by Beddy. If anyone would like the onfo i will type it up for you. > Kind regards > Nikki > Sedgefield > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 08:34:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 08:34:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 21:22:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 21:22:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD. Port Elizabeth, Tuesday, December 16, 1986. BIRTHS. BANCROFT. – To Shaun and Charmaine, a daughter Tenielle, Friday, December 12, 1986 at Sandford. FIELD. – To Trevor and Thea (nee DU PLESSIS, twin daughters born on Monday, December 15, 1986 at Sandford. Sisters for Samantha and Natalie. KINNELL. - To James and Sue, a daughter, Megan, born Sunday December 14, 1986 at Sandford. A sister for Andrew. ENGAGEMENTS. FRENCH. – BOSHOFF. Ivan and Eunice are pleased to announce the engagement of their eldest daughter, Linda to Martin, elder son of Keith and Anne FRENCH of Cape Town on December 13, 1986. KRUGER. – SCOTT. Rev and Mrs D. SCOTT have pleasure in announcing the engagement of their eldest daughter Clara SCOTT, to the only son of Mr and Mrs J. KRUGER, John Kelvin KRUGER. THOMPSON. – LORD. Stewart and Ann THOMPSON have pleasure in announcing the engagement of their son, Peter to Sandie, daughter of Cecil and Val LORD of Morningside. VAN DER MERWE. – MARRYATT. Ron and Myrna have pleasure in announcing the engagement of their only daughter Michelle, to Paul, younger son of Tony and Eva, on Monday, December 15, 1986. MARRIAGES. ANDERSEN. – VAN DER MERWE. Harry and Yvonne are pleased to announce the marriage of their eldest daughter, Shantal, to Garth, only son of Albert and Joy, Saturday, December 13, 1986. WEDDING ANNIVERSARIES. HARRISON. – Roy and Norma. Congratulations Mom and Dad on your 25th Wedding Anniversary. Love Debi, Mike and Tony. REED. – KIERNAN. John and Rose, married on December 16, 1936 in Monastery Hillcrest, Pretoria. DEATHS. ABERNATHY. – Pauline. Mourned by her children Rosille, John, Vaughan, Charmaine and grandchildren. Cremation private. AVELY. – Betty, passed away on Sunday, December 14, 1986. Mother and grandmother to Audrey, Gloria, Michelle, Andrew, Anthony (in George), Robert, Colleen, Michael and Sharri (in Bulawayo). BATTS. – Jean Lynette (nee BAXTER), passed away on Sunday, December 14, 1986. Wife of Cedric and mother of Mandy; daughter of Iris, and sister of Alan. Mourned by Mom, Alan, Alice and Donna. HALL. – Percy Raymond, passed away at Leicester on Sunday, December 14, 1986 aged 76 years. Mourned by Nielson and Denise; Susan, René, Stewart. Gladys, Cheryl, Roger, Shaun and families. RUSSEL. – Gloria, my wife and our mother, passed away December 11, 1986. Mourned by Owen, Cathy and Janet, daughter-in-law Venna and Doug. FUNERAL NOTICES. BATTS. – Jean Lynette (nee BAXTER), passed away on Sunday, December 14, 1986. Wife of Cedric and mother of Mandy, family and friends. Service will take place at the Walmer Methodist Church, tomorrow (Wednesday), December 17, 1986 at 11 am. Private cremation. IN MEMORIAM. BOUAH. – Kate, passed away 2 years ago today. Remembered by her daughter Jaabira and Ebrahim and family. FROST. – Phillip, passed away December 16, 1979. Remembered by his wife Ivy; Rodney, Eleanor, Beverley and Grant. GEORGE. – James, passed away December 16, 1982. Remembered by his wife Eileen and daughter Heather. JANSEN. – Ronald, passed away December 14, 1984. Remembered by his brother Gordon and Mona and children Jacqueline and Annelize. KEYTER. – Iris Muriel. From children and grandchildren. OLIVIER. – G.R.J. (Ollie) passed away December 16, 1983. Remembered by his wife Marjorie, children Antoinette, Lucelle, Ulrica, sons-in-law and grandchildren; Dennis, Lavona and family’ PITTAWAY. – Gertrude, passed away December 16. Remembered by Alf and Nellie (Bloemfontein); all your friends; Max and Joe and grandchildren Michael, Ethel, Janice, Athol and great grandmother of Timothy and Caroline; Connie, Bonny, Wendy, David and Shirley. PLAATJIES. – Martin, passed away December 16, three years ago. Remembered by his sisters and brothers. Transcribed by Carol BENEKE nee STEWART Port Elizabeth, South Africa. 083 482 1482 carme@iafrica.com ________________________ Researching: STEWART, STONE, LUKE, OLIVIER, BENEKE, BENECKE, VON BENECKE and related families. Facebook group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/Beneke.Benecke.von.Benecke/

Nikki, Could you please check for a Joseph CARLIN also perhaps in the Forestry Dept. Thanks, Gail

Marielle, He was one Walter HOGG formerly of Selkirk, Scotland and only arrived in the 1880s. Rgds, Gail -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marielle Ford Sent: Dienstag, 16. Oktober 2012 09:46 To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] HOGG Cape Civil Service List 1900 Hi Gail, Who is this one? I have a strays tree as my ancestor was a MOODIE Settler named John HOGG. Rgds Marielle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Röthlin" <mgroth@sunrise.ch> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:43 AM Subject: [ZA-EC] HOGG Cape Civil Service List 1900 > Nikki, > Could you please check for a Mr HOGG, in the Forestry Dept, I think. > > Thanks, > Gail ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nikki I'm also trying to trace a Scotsman - please would you look out for any Murray or White entries? Many thanks Faraway -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki Sent: 15 October 2012 19:34 To: Marielle Ford; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police No Mallen I am afraid. If I pick up any other Scotsmen I will message Kind regards Nikki -----Original Message----- From: Marielle Ford Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:13 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] British SA Police Hi Nikki Any mention of Scotsmen who were in the BSAP, esp. MALLEN? Thank you. Marielle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikki" <alnic@polka.co.za> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:06 PM Subject: [ZA-EC] Randolph Cosby NESBITT > Hi all > Anyone researching NESBITTS? > Randolph Colby born Queenstown. There is a section pertaining to him in > the book Men Who Made Rhodesia, British South Africa Company’s Police by > Beddy. If anyone would like the onfo i will type it up for you. > Kind regards > Nikki > Sedgefield > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 08:34:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 08:34:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Nikki Marielle did send it to me off list, but thansk for posting it for others to see too. Kind regards Ian Currie On 2012/10/16 08:22 AM, Nikki wrote: > Hi again all > > Did a little googling and found this transcription sent by Marielle to the > IB list way back when. > > Kind regards > Nikki > > From: "Marielle Ford" < marielle@intekom.co.za> > Subject: Middleton BMD's > Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:21:02 +0200 > MARRIAGE INDEX: ST MICHAEL AND ALL ANGELS, MIDDLETON > > No.,Date,Groom,Age,Occupation,Abode,Bride,Age,Occupation,Abode > ,,,,,,,,, > 1,26-05-1894,Duncan Fitzwilliam OGILVIE,Full,Bachelor - Manager,,Caroline > Elizabeth CLOETE,Full,Spinster,Waterfall > 2,06-04-1898,Robert Ainslie HOCKLY,Full,Bachelor,"Cullen-dale, Bedford",Emma > Clare BOWKER,,,Olifants Kloof > 3,22-04-1901,Walter Edwin ATHERSTONE,31,Bachelor - Lawyer,"Eland, > Albany",Elizabeth White DONOVAN,35,Widow ,"Ellinde, Albany" > 4,30-12-1905,Edgar Napier RANKIN,35,Station Master ,Grahams-town,Elsie > Helena Gertrude CLOETE,19,Spinster,Carlisle Bridge > 5,10-03-1909,Alan Duthie BOWKER,29,Bachelor - Farmer,"Signal Kop, > Albany",Ethel ATHERSTONE,21,Spinster,Ellinde > 6,22-06-1910,Evelyn Henry Bowker CLOETE,36,Bachelor - Farmer,Waterfall,Ethel > Maud MATTHEWS,22,Spinster,"Wynberg, Cape Colony" > > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Hilton-Taylor > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:37 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Alan Duthie BOWKER > > Hi Ian, Nikki and Marielle > > It certainly looks like there is mounting evidence that Alan Duthie BOWKER > married Ethel ATHERSTONE and not Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER. > > Just shows how easy it is to be lead astray and the need to cross-check all > information very carefully, especially if it is not well-sourced. > > Many apologies to Tombi and any others who corrected their data to what I > said. > > The collective breadth, depth and sharing of knowledge in our genie > community always amazes me. > > Thanks to all > Craig > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Currie > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:44 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Alan Duthie BOWKER > > Hi Craig, Tombi and Nikki > > There is indeed some controversy about exactly who the wife of Alan > Duthie BOWKER was. However, although I cannot prove it 100%, as I have > not seen a marriage certificate yet, I think that he married Ethel > ATHERSTONE, and not Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER. My reasoning is as > follows: > > Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER, it would appear, from her tombstone, > never married, and only died in 1949. See > http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1314810. So she clearly > did not die before Alan Duthie BOWKER, and her tombstone still gives her > maiden name. I have been unable to find a tombstone for Ethel Atherstone > BOWKER. The only Ethel BOWKER listed on eGGSA Gravestones is Ethel > Patricia Southey BOWKER, nee STIRK > (http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1642925) > > Like, Tombi, I did not keep references when I started out (bad,bad,bad), > but I have Ethel ATHERSTONE's date of birth as 5 June 1878, and that she > is the daughter of Walter ATHERSTONE and Mary Ann Hornsby BLAKE. There > are photographs of these two people in my great-grandmother's > (Williamina CURRIE, nee BOWKER) photo album (see photo no. 90 here - > http://1820settlers.com/modules.php?name=gallery2&g2_itemId=2627&g2_page=5). > > As you say, Craig, there are so many cross-linkages in these families > that it can become very confusing. > > I would be very keen to hear what other listers think, as Alan Duthie > BOWKER was my grandmother's (Olive CURRIE, nee BOWKER) brother. > > Kind regards > Ian Currie > > > On 2012/10/14 11:34 AM, Craig Hilton-Taylor wrote: >> Hi Tombi >> >> Many thanks for all the extra details, that helped fill a few gaps. The >> one >> big difference I have concerns: >> >> 5. Alan Duthie BOWKER born abt Feb 1879 Graham's Town, Albany Eastern >> Cape >> of Good Hope died 24 March 1918 Flanders during WW1 married Ethel Mary >> ATHERSTONE born May 1881, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope >> died 11 August 1963 Johannesburg, Transvaal, Republic of South Africa. >> >> I have Alan's wife as Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER (born 31 Mar 1878 in >> the Cape and died BEF 1918). Ethel was the daughter of Hilton >> HILTON-BARBER >> (1842-1928) and Fanny ATHERSTONE. Alan and Ethel married on 10 Mar 1909 >> in >> St Michael's and All Angel's Church, Middleton, Cape, South Africa. >> >> In support of this, if you look at the Memorial Inscription to Alan on the >> Commonwealth Graves Commission website >> (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/309828/BOWKER,%20ALAN%20DUTHIE) >> it reads: >> >> "In Memory of >> Lieutenant ALAN DUTHIE BOWKER >> >> 4th Regt., South African Infantry >> who died age 38 >> on 24 March 1918 >> Son of Miles and Elizabeth Mary BOWKER; husband of the late Ethel >> Atherstone >> BOWKER. >> Remembered with honour >> HEM FARM MILITARY CEMETERY, HEM-MONACU" >> >> So his wife's 2nd name was Atherstone, and she had died before Alan was >> killed in the Battle of the Somme. >> >> >> >> There are so many cross linkages between these families and the same names >> keep recurring hence it is very easy to get the wrong people linked up. So >> I >> am not sure which of us is correct - can anyone else help? >> >> Best wishes >> Craig >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 08:34:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 08:34:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Gail, Who is this one? I have a strays tree as my ancestor was a MOODIE Settler named John HOGG. Rgds Marielle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Röthlin" <mgroth@sunrise.ch> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:43 AM Subject: [ZA-EC] HOGG Cape Civil Service List 1900 > Nikki, > Could you please check for a Mr HOGG, in the Forestry Dept, I think. > > Thanks, > Gail

Hi Nikki, Hope you are well! I saw someone requested SA Police, well my Great Grandfather JACOB JACOBUS VAN DER MERWE was in the Cape Police during the Boer War, I wonder if there is anything about him?? Thanks for your help! Christine Weaver (Bell) Sent from my iPod On 2012-10-16, at 8:10 AM, south-africa-eastern-cape-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: HOGG Cape Civil Service List 1900 (Marielle Ford) > 2. Re: Alan Duthie BOWKER and Ethel Atherstone Marriage > transcription Middleton 1909 (Ian Currie) > 3. Re: HOGG Cape Civil Service List 1900 (Gail R?thlin) > 4. CARLIN Cape Civil Service List 1900 (Gail R?thlin) > 5. Re: British SA Police (Faraway Gardner-Brown) > 6. EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD, 16.12.1986 (Carol Beneke) > 7. Re: CARLIN Cape Civil Service List 1900 (Nikki) > 8. Re: British SA Police (Elspeth Muirhead) > 9. Re: British SA Police MURRAY and WHITE (Nikki) > 10. Re: British SA Police (Shani Lamb (SGLA)) > 11. Re: BSAP Corporal Frederick FITZGERALD (Nikki) > 12. Re: British SA Police (Nikki) > 13. Re: British SA Police MURRAY and WHITE (Faraway Gardner-Brown) > 14. Re: BSAP Corporal Frederick FITZGERALD (Elspeth Muirhead) > 15. Re: CARLIN Cape Civil Service List 1900 (Gail R?thlin) > 16. Re: Cape Civil Service List 1900 (shirley paladin) > Hi Gail, > > Who is this one? I have a strays tree as my ancestor was a MOODIE Settler named John HOGG. > > Rgds > Marielle > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Röthlin" <mgroth@sunrise.ch> > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:43 AM > Subject: [ZA-EC] HOGG Cape Civil Service List 1900 > > >> Nikki, >> Could you please check for a Mr HOGG, in the Forestry Dept, I think. >> >> Thanks, >> Gail > > > > Thanks Nikki > > Marielle did send it to me off list, but thansk for posting it for others to see too. > > Kind regards > Ian Currie > > > On 2012/10/16 08:22 AM, Nikki wrote: >> Hi again all >> >> Did a little googling and found this transcription sent by Marielle to the >> IB list way back when. >> >> Kind regards >> Nikki >> >> From: "Marielle Ford" < marielle@intekom.co.za> >> Subject: Middleton BMD's >> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:21:02 +0200 >> MARRIAGE INDEX: ST MICHAEL AND ALL ANGELS, MIDDLETON >> >> No.,Date,Groom,Age,Occupation,Abode,Bride,Age,Occupation,Abode >> ,,,,,,,,, >> 1,26-05-1894,Duncan Fitzwilliam OGILVIE,Full,Bachelor - Manager,,Caroline >> Elizabeth CLOETE,Full,Spinster,Waterfall >> 2,06-04-1898,Robert Ainslie HOCKLY,Full,Bachelor,"Cullen-dale, Bedford",Emma >> Clare BOWKER,,,Olifants Kloof >> 3,22-04-1901,Walter Edwin ATHERSTONE,31,Bachelor - Lawyer,"Eland, >> Albany",Elizabeth White DONOVAN,35,Widow ,"Ellinde, Albany" >> 4,30-12-1905,Edgar Napier RANKIN,35,Station Master ,Grahams-town,Elsie >> Helena Gertrude CLOETE,19,Spinster,Carlisle Bridge >> 5,10-03-1909,Alan Duthie BOWKER,29,Bachelor - Farmer,"Signal Kop, >> Albany",Ethel ATHERSTONE,21,Spinster,Ellinde >> 6,22-06-1910,Evelyn Henry Bowker CLOETE,36,Bachelor - Farmer,Waterfall,Ethel >> Maud MATTHEWS,22,Spinster,"Wynberg, Cape Colony" >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Craig Hilton-Taylor >> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:37 AM >> To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Alan Duthie BOWKER >> >> Hi Ian, Nikki and Marielle >> >> It certainly looks like there is mounting evidence that Alan Duthie BOWKER >> married Ethel ATHERSTONE and not Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER. >> >> Just shows how easy it is to be lead astray and the need to cross-check all >> information very carefully, especially if it is not well-sourced. >> >> Many apologies to Tombi and any others who corrected their data to what I >> said. >> >> The collective breadth, depth and sharing of knowledge in our genie >> community always amazes me. >> >> Thanks to all >> Craig >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ian Currie >> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:44 AM >> To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Alan Duthie BOWKER >> >> Hi Craig, Tombi and Nikki >> >> There is indeed some controversy about exactly who the wife of Alan >> Duthie BOWKER was. However, although I cannot prove it 100%, as I have >> not seen a marriage certificate yet, I think that he married Ethel >> ATHERSTONE, and not Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER. My reasoning is as >> follows: >> >> Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER, it would appear, from her tombstone, >> never married, and only died in 1949. See >> http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1314810. So she clearly >> did not die before Alan Duthie BOWKER, and her tombstone still gives her >> maiden name. I have been unable to find a tombstone for Ethel Atherstone >> BOWKER. The only Ethel BOWKER listed on eGGSA Gravestones is Ethel >> Patricia Southey BOWKER, nee STIRK >> (http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1642925) >> >> Like, Tombi, I did not keep references when I started out (bad,bad,bad), >> but I have Ethel ATHERSTONE's date of birth as 5 June 1878, and that she >> is the daughter of Walter ATHERSTONE and Mary Ann Hornsby BLAKE. There >> are photographs of these two people in my great-grandmother's >> (Williamina CURRIE, nee BOWKER) photo album (see photo no. 90 here - >> http://1820settlers.com/modules.php?name=gallery2&g2_itemId=2627&g2_page=5). >> >> As you say, Craig, there are so many cross-linkages in these families >> that it can become very confusing. >> >> I would be very keen to hear what other listers think, as Alan Duthie >> BOWKER was my grandmother's (Olive CURRIE, nee BOWKER) brother. >> >> Kind regards >> Ian Currie >> >> >> On 2012/10/14 11:34 AM, Craig Hilton-Taylor wrote: >>> Hi Tombi >>> >>> Many thanks for all the extra details, that helped fill a few gaps. The >>> one >>> big difference I have concerns: >>> >>> 5. Alan Duthie BOWKER born abt Feb 1879 Graham's Town, Albany Eastern >>> Cape >>> of Good Hope died 24 March 1918 Flanders during WW1 married Ethel Mary >>> ATHERSTONE born May 1881, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope >>> died 11 August 1963 Johannesburg, Transvaal, Republic of South Africa. >>> >>> I have Alan's wife as Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER (born 31 Mar 1878 in >>> the Cape and died BEF 1918). Ethel was the daughter of Hilton >>> HILTON-BARBER >>> (1842-1928) and Fanny ATHERSTONE. Alan and Ethel married on 10 Mar 1909 >>> in >>> St Michael's and All Angel's Church, Middleton, Cape, South Africa. >>> >>> In support of this, if you look at the Memorial Inscription to Alan on the >>> Commonwealth Graves Commission website >>> (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/309828/BOWKER,%20ALAN%20DUTHIE) >>> it reads: >>> >>> "In Memory of >>> Lieutenant ALAN DUTHIE BOWKER >>> >>> 4th Regt., South African Infantry >>> who died age 38 >>> on 24 March 1918 >>> Son of Miles and Elizabeth Mary BOWKER; husband of the late Ethel >>> Atherstone >>> BOWKER. >>> Remembered with honour >>> HEM FARM MILITARY CEMETERY, HEM-MONACU" >>> >>> So his wife's 2nd name was Atherstone, and she had died before Alan was >>> killed in the Battle of the Somme. >>> >>> >>> >>> There are so many cross linkages between these families and the same names >>> keep recurring hence it is very easy to get the wrong people linked up. So >>> I >>> am not sure which of us is correct - can anyone else help? >>> >>> Best wishes >>> Craig >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 >> 08:34:00 >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 08:34:00 >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > Marielle, > He was one Walter HOGG formerly of Selkirk, Scotland and only arrived in the > 1880s. > Rgds, > Gail > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Marielle Ford > Sent: Dienstag, 16. Oktober 2012 09:46 > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] HOGG Cape Civil Service List 1900 > > Hi Gail, > > Who is this one? I have a strays tree as my ancestor was a MOODIE Settler > named John HOGG. > > Rgds > Marielle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Röthlin" <mgroth@sunrise.ch> > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:43 AM > Subject: [ZA-EC] HOGG Cape Civil Service List 1900 > > >> Nikki, >> Could you please check for a Mr HOGG, in the Forestry Dept, I think. >> >> Thanks, >> Gail > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Nikki, > Could you please check for a Joseph CARLIN also perhaps in the Forestry > Dept. > > Thanks, > Gail > > > > Hi Nikki > > I'm also trying to trace a Scotsman - please would you look out for any Murray or White entries? > > Many thanks > Faraway > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki > Sent: 15 October 2012 19:34 > To: Marielle Ford; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > No Mallen I am afraid. If I pick up any other Scotsmen I will message Kind regards Nikki > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marielle Ford > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:13 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Hi Nikki > > Any mention of Scotsmen who were in the BSAP, esp. MALLEN? > > Thank you. > Marielle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nikki" <alnic@polka.co.za> > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:06 PM > Subject: [ZA-EC] Randolph Cosby NESBITT > > >> Hi all >> Anyone researching NESBITTS? >> Randolph Colby born Queenstown. There is a section pertaining to him in >> the book Men Who Made Rhodesia, British South Africa Company’s Police by >> Beddy. If anyone would like the onfo i will type it up for you. >> Kind regards >> Nikki >> Sedgefield >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 08:34:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 08:34:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD. > > Port Elizabeth, Tuesday, December 16, 1986. > > > > BIRTHS. > > BANCROFT. – To Shaun and Charmaine, a daughter Tenielle, Friday, December 12, 1986 at Sandford. > > FIELD. – To Trevor and Thea (nee DU PLESSIS, twin daughters born on Monday, December 15, 1986 at Sandford. Sisters for Samantha and Natalie. > > KINNELL. - To James and Sue, a daughter, Megan, born Sunday December 14, 1986 at Sandford. A sister for Andrew. > > > > ENGAGEMENTS. > > FRENCH. – BOSHOFF. Ivan and Eunice are pleased to announce the engagement of their eldest daughter, Linda to Martin, elder son of Keith and Anne FRENCH of Cape Town on December 13, 1986. > > KRUGER. – SCOTT. Rev and Mrs D. SCOTT have pleasure in announcing the engagement of their eldest daughter Clara SCOTT, to the only son of Mr and Mrs J. KRUGER, John Kelvin KRUGER. > > THOMPSON. – LORD. Stewart and Ann THOMPSON have pleasure in announcing the engagement of their son, Peter to Sandie, daughter of Cecil and Val LORD of Morningside. > > VAN DER MERWE. – MARRYATT. Ron and Myrna have pleasure in announcing the engagement of their only daughter Michelle, to Paul, younger son of Tony and Eva, on Monday, December 15, 1986. > > > > MARRIAGES. > > ANDERSEN. – VAN DER MERWE. Harry and Yvonne are pleased to announce the marriage of their eldest daughter, Shantal, to Garth, only son of Albert and Joy, Saturday, December 13, 1986. > > > > WEDDING ANNIVERSARIES. > > HARRISON. – Roy and Norma. Congratulations Mom and Dad on your 25th Wedding Anniversary. Love Debi, Mike and Tony. > > REED. – KIERNAN. John and Rose, married on December 16, 1936 in Monastery Hillcrest, Pretoria. > > > > DEATHS. > > ABERNATHY. – Pauline. Mourned by her children Rosille, John, Vaughan, Charmaine and grandchildren. Cremation private. > > AVELY. – Betty, passed away on Sunday, December 14, 1986. Mother and grandmother to Audrey, Gloria, Michelle, Andrew, Anthony (in George), Robert, Colleen, Michael and Sharri (in Bulawayo). > > BATTS. – Jean Lynette (nee BAXTER), passed away on Sunday, December 14, 1986. Wife of Cedric and mother of Mandy; daughter of Iris, and sister of Alan. Mourned by Mom, Alan, Alice and Donna. > > HALL. – Percy Raymond, passed away at Leicester on Sunday, December 14, 1986 aged 76 years. Mourned by Nielson and Denise; Susan, René, Stewart. Gladys, Cheryl, Roger, Shaun and families. > > RUSSEL. – Gloria, my wife and our mother, passed away December 11, 1986. Mourned by Owen, Cathy and Janet, daughter-in-law Venna and Doug. > > > > FUNERAL NOTICES. > > BATTS. – Jean Lynette (nee BAXTER), passed away on Sunday, December 14, 1986. Wife of Cedric and mother of Mandy, family and friends. Service will take place at the Walmer Methodist Church, tomorrow (Wednesday), December 17, 1986 at 11 am. Private cremation. > > > > IN MEMORIAM. > > BOUAH. – Kate, passed away 2 years ago today. Remembered by her daughter Jaabira and Ebrahim and family. > > FROST. – Phillip, passed away December 16, 1979. Remembered by his wife Ivy; Rodney, Eleanor, Beverley and Grant. > > GEORGE. – James, passed away December 16, 1982. Remembered by his wife Eileen and daughter Heather. > > JANSEN. – Ronald, passed away December 14, 1984. Remembered by his brother Gordon and Mona and children Jacqueline and Annelize. > > KEYTER. – Iris Muriel. From children and grandchildren. > > OLIVIER. – G.R.J. (Ollie) passed away December 16, 1983. Remembered by his wife Marjorie, children Antoinette, Lucelle, Ulrica, sons-in-law and grandchildren; Dennis, Lavona and family’ > > PITTAWAY. – Gertrude, passed away December 16. Remembered by Alf and Nellie (Bloemfontein); all your friends; Max and Joe and grandchildren Michael, Ethel, Janice, Athol and great grandmother of Timothy and Caroline; Connie, Bonny, Wendy, David and Shirley. > > PLAATJIES. – Martin, passed away December 16, three years ago. Remembered by his sisters and brothers. > > > > > Transcribed by > Carol BENEKE nee STEWART > Port Elizabeth, South Africa. > 083 482 1482 > carme@iafrica.com > ________________________ > Researching: STEWART, STONE, LUKE, OLIVIER, BENEKE, BENECKE, VON BENECKE > and related families. > > Facebook group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/Beneke.Benecke.von.Benecke/ > Hi Gail > There is no Joseph But there is > > William CARLIN who was a Forester in Alexandria P.E. First appointment date > Jul 1 1885. Appointed to this post Sep 1 1894 at a salry of 100 pounds p.a. > > Kind regards > Nikki > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gail Röthlin > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:40 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] CARLIN Cape Civil Service List 1900 > > > Nikki, > Could you please check for a Joseph CARLIN also perhaps in the Forestry > Dept. > > Thanks, > Gail > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 21:22:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 21:22:00 > > Hi Nikki > > Not sure if you are doing general look ups for people. If you are would you mind looking up a Fitzgerald - I've forgotten his first name. He was with the BSAP and was later killed in the Shangani Patrol. I've not been able to find other info on him tho. > > Thank you. > > Elspeth > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Faraway Gardner-Brown > Sent: 16 October 2012 11:22 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Hi Nikki > > I'm also trying to trace a Scotsman - please would you look out for any Murray or White entries? > > Many thanks > Faraway > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki > Sent: 15 October 2012 19:34 > To: Marielle Ford; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > No Mallen I am afraid. If I pick up any other Scotsmen I will message Kind regards Nikki > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marielle Ford > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:13 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Hi Nikki > > Any mention of Scotsmen who were in the BSAP, esp. MALLEN? > > Thank you. > Marielle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nikki" <alnic@polka.co.za> > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:06 PM > Subject: [ZA-EC] Randolph Cosby NESBITT > > >> Hi all >> Anyone researching NESBITTS? >> Randolph Colby born Queenstown. There is a section pertaining to him >> in the book Men Who Made Rhodesia, British South Africa Company s >> Police by Beddy. If anyone would like the onfo i will type it up for you. >> Kind regards >> Nikki >> Sedgefield >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 08:34:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 08:34:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Hi Faraway > > 2 MURRAYs > K.A > Charles S. > > 6 WHITEs > > C.M. > Frederick James > J. > Stanley > T.W. > W. de L. > > If any of them look to be yours just shout for the info. > Kind regards > Nikki > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Faraway Gardner-Brown > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:21 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Hi Nikki > > I'm also trying to trace a Scotsman - please would you look out for any > Murray or White entries? > > Many thanks > Faraway > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki > Sent: 15 October 2012 19:34 > To: Marielle Ford; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > No Mallen I am afraid. If I pick up any other Scotsmen I will message Kind > regards Nikki > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marielle Ford > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:13 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Hi Nikki > > Any mention of Scotsmen who were in the BSAP, esp. MALLEN? > > Thank you. > Marielle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nikki" <alnic@polka.co.za> > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:06 PM > Subject: [ZA-EC] Randolph Cosby NESBITT > > >> Hi all >> Anyone researching NESBITTS? >> Randolph Colby born Queenstown. There is a section pertaining to him in >> the book Men Who Made Rhodesia, British South Africa Company’s Police by >> Beddy. If anyone would like the onfo i will type it up for you. >> Kind regards >> Nikki >> Sedgefield >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 08:34:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 08:34:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 21:22:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 21:22:00 > Any listings for B LONGBOTTOM ? > > Hi Elspeth > > Here he is! > > Kind regards > Nikki > > Extract from Men Who Made Rhodesia , The British South Africa Company's > Police by A S Hickman 1960 > > > "Corporal FITZGERALD, Frederick (later Captain) > A native of Kingwilliamstown, Cape, described by his friend, Cpl. C.H. F. > DIVINE, as "long and lean with a charming smile, a good shot and a splendid > horseman....the very best type of colonial soldier", and by Capt. A.G. > Leonard, his commanding officer, as a colonial of Irish descent "fiery, > impulsive, yet full of initiative". > > He attested on 1/3/1890 and served in E.Troop at Macloutsie, where a group > photograph taken there in 1890 shows him seated outside the corporal's mess, > a well-built figure with a slight moustache, wearing smasher hat, grey-back > shirt, breeches and top-boots. In August, 1890, he was in charge of horses > grazing 8 miles from Macloutsie. In December, 1890, he was sent by capt. > Leonard from Fort Tuli on a reconnaissance patrol to look for a reported > Matabele Impi at the junction of Macloutie and Shashi Rivers. > > On 13/12/1890 E.Troop, on its march from Macloutsie to Fort Tuli to relieve > D.Troop, halted at Semalale, which was then in charge of Cpl. C.H.F. DIVINE, > who asked his troop officer, Leonard, for a transfer to D.Troop, as he did > not wish to remain on base duties. Leonard agreed, but pointed out that he > had no N.C.O. to relieve him, as due to the shortage of native transport > drivers, he was using FITZGERALD to drive a wagon and span of sixteen oxen. > Divine made out that he could do the same and thus was relieved by > FITZGERALD, but would never have succeeded except for the latter's help, > inspanning for him and giving him some tips which enabled him to reach Fort > Tuli. > > FITZGERALD was promoted to sergeant on 22/5/1891, and was at FortTuli in > June of the same year at the time of the anticiapted Boer incursion from the > Transvaal under Col. Ignatius Ferreira. > He became a sergeant-major at Tuli Depot on 15/9/1891, and took his > discharge on 11/12/1891 > > As an illustration of his sportsmanship, Divine relates that he spent a few > days at Fort Tuli as FITZGERALDS guest. They rode out on a Sunday morning > after buck, FITGERALD suddenly dismounted, and came to the aim at two > splendid roan antelope about 400 yards away. But he held his fire to wait > for Divine, remarking, "Sorry Charlie, old man, its your shot". Divine > missed and the buck diappeared, but he was tremendously impressed by > FITZGERALD's treatment of him as a guest. > > Later, as a sub-inspector, he was in charge of the Mashonaland Mounted > Police at Fort Victoria, where in 1893 he assisted Major Allan Wilson in > training, drilling and equipping the Victoria Rangers, of which as a > captain, he commanded No.1 Troop in the Matabele War, 1893. near the > Shangani River on the march into Matabeleland he went out with a raiding > party on 24/10/1893, and sent in 1,000 head of cattle and 900 sheep and > goats. At dark he rode into camp with Capt. H.J. Borrow ; they breported > that they had seen no Matabele but had burnt some kraals. He is reported to > have done excellent work throughout the campaign and was mentioned by Major > P.W. Forbes, commanding the column, for special services. > > On 17/11/1893, with Capt. Napier, 100 men, a maxim, and a 7-pounder, he was > left in charge of the L.M.S. Mission at Emhlangeni ( Inyati) when the main > column moved on. Later he rejoined it, and on 4/12/1893 was killed in action > with the Shangani Patrol. > The bronze figure of FITZGERALD on the Shangani Memorial at World's View is > said to be an exact likeness." > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elspeth Muirhead > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 1:02 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Hi Nikki > > Not sure if you are doing general look ups for people. If you are would you > mind looking up a Fitzgerald - I've forgotten his first name. He was with > the BSAP and was later killed in the Shangani Patrol. I've not been able to > find other info on him tho. > > Thank you. > > Elspeth > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Faraway > Gardner-Brown > Sent: 16 October 2012 11:22 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Hi Nikki > > I'm also trying to trace a Scotsman - please would you look out for any > Murray or White entries? > > Many thanks > Faraway > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki > Sent: 15 October 2012 19:34 > To: Marielle Ford; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > No Mallen I am afraid. If I pick up any other Scotsmen I will message Kind > regards Nikki > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marielle Ford > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:13 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Hi Nikki > > Any mention of Scotsmen who were in the BSAP, esp. MALLEN? > > Thank you. > Marielle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nikki" <alnic@polka.co.za> > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:06 PM > Subject: [ZA-EC] Randolph Cosby NESBITT > > >> Hi all >> Anyone researching NESBITTS? >> Randolph Colby born Queenstown. There is a section pertaining to him >> in the book Men Who Made Rhodesia, British South Africa Company s >> Police by Beddy. If anyone would like the onfo i will type it up for you. >> Kind regards >> Nikki >> Sedgefield >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 08:34:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 08:34:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 21:22:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 21:22:00 > > Sorry Shani, Nothing > Kind regards > Nikki > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shani Lamb (SGLA) > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 1:18 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Any listings for B LONGBOTTOM ? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 21:22:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 21:22:00 > > Hi Nikki > > Very many thanks for your swift reply - sadly I'm chasing an R S Murray White aka White aka Murray. > Thank you anyway > Faraway > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki > Sent: 16 October 2012 12:05 > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police MURRAY and WHITE > > Hi Faraway > > 2 MURRAYs > K.A > Charles S. > > 6 WHITEs > > C.M. > Frederick James > J. > Stanley > T.W. > W. de L. > > If any of them look to be yours just shout for the info. > Kind regards > Nikki > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Faraway Gardner-Brown > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:21 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Hi Nikki > > I'm also trying to trace a Scotsman - please would you look out for any Murray or White entries? > > Many thanks > Faraway > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki > Sent: 15 October 2012 19:34 > To: Marielle Ford; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > No Mallen I am afraid. If I pick up any other Scotsmen I will message Kind regards Nikki > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marielle Ford > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:13 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] British SA Police > > Hi Nikki > > Any mention of Scotsmen who were in the BSAP, esp. MALLEN? > > Thank you. > Marielle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nikki" <alnic@polka.co.za> > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:06 PM > Subject: [ZA-EC] Randolph Cosby NESBITT > > >> Hi all >> Anyone researching NESBITTS? >> Randolph Colby born Queenstown. There is a section pertaining to him >> in the book Men Who Made Rhodesia, British South Africa Company’s >> Police by Beddy. 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Oktober 2012 12:55 > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] CARLIN Cape Civil Service List 1900 > > Hi Gail > There is no Joseph But there is > > William CARLIN who was a Forester in Alexandria P.E. First appointment date > Jul 1 1885. Appointed to this post Sep 1 1894 at a salry of 100 pounds p.a. > > Kind regards > Nikki > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gail Röthlin > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:40 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] CARLIN Cape Civil Service List 1900 > > > Nikki, > Could you please check for a Joseph CARLIN also perhaps in the Forestry > Dept. > > Thanks, > Gail > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 21:22:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5334 - Release Date: 10/15/12 > 21:22:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Hi Nikki > I would appreciate it if you could check for HARVEY and HOPE. > Thanks > Shirley > > On 13 October 2012 01:45, Scott and Alison <sadrysdale@bigpond.com> wrote: >> Nikki, would you mind looking for Milnes and Drysdales >> >> Thank you >> >> Alison >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki >> Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012 12:23 AM >> To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Cape Civil Service List 1900 >> >> Hi Rose >> Nothing I am afraid. Sorry >> Kind regards >> Nikki >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rose McArthur >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:15 PM >> To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [ZA-EC] Cape Civil Service List 1900 >> >> >> Hi Nikki, >> I would be most grateful if you would check to see if there is a Malcolm >> MCARTHUR (MC ARTHUR) in the list. 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Hi again all Did a little googling and found this transcription sent by Marielle to the IB list way back when. Kind regards Nikki From: "Marielle Ford" < marielle@intekom.co.za> Subject: Middleton BMD's Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:21:02 +0200 MARRIAGE INDEX: ST MICHAEL AND ALL ANGELS, MIDDLETON No.,Date,Groom,Age,Occupation,Abode,Bride,Age,Occupation,Abode ,,,,,,,,, 1,26-05-1894,Duncan Fitzwilliam OGILVIE,Full,Bachelor - Manager,,Caroline Elizabeth CLOETE,Full,Spinster,Waterfall 2,06-04-1898,Robert Ainslie HOCKLY,Full,Bachelor,"Cullen-dale, Bedford",Emma Clare BOWKER,,,Olifants Kloof 3,22-04-1901,Walter Edwin ATHERSTONE,31,Bachelor - Lawyer,"Eland, Albany",Elizabeth White DONOVAN,35,Widow ,"Ellinde, Albany" 4,30-12-1905,Edgar Napier RANKIN,35,Station Master ,Grahams-town,Elsie Helena Gertrude CLOETE,19,Spinster,Carlisle Bridge 5,10-03-1909,Alan Duthie BOWKER,29,Bachelor - Farmer,"Signal Kop, Albany",Ethel ATHERSTONE,21,Spinster,Ellinde 6,22-06-1910,Evelyn Henry Bowker CLOETE,36,Bachelor - Farmer,Waterfall,Ethel Maud MATTHEWS,22,Spinster,"Wynberg, Cape Colony" -----Original Message----- From: Craig Hilton-Taylor Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:37 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Alan Duthie BOWKER Hi Ian, Nikki and Marielle It certainly looks like there is mounting evidence that Alan Duthie BOWKER married Ethel ATHERSTONE and not Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER. Just shows how easy it is to be lead astray and the need to cross-check all information very carefully, especially if it is not well-sourced. Many apologies to Tombi and any others who corrected their data to what I said. The collective breadth, depth and sharing of knowledge in our genie community always amazes me. Thanks to all Craig -----Original Message----- From: Ian Currie Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:44 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Alan Duthie BOWKER Hi Craig, Tombi and Nikki There is indeed some controversy about exactly who the wife of Alan Duthie BOWKER was. However, although I cannot prove it 100%, as I have not seen a marriage certificate yet, I think that he married Ethel ATHERSTONE, and not Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER. My reasoning is as follows: Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER, it would appear, from her tombstone, never married, and only died in 1949. See http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1314810. So she clearly did not die before Alan Duthie BOWKER, and her tombstone still gives her maiden name. I have been unable to find a tombstone for Ethel Atherstone BOWKER. The only Ethel BOWKER listed on eGGSA Gravestones is Ethel Patricia Southey BOWKER, nee STIRK (http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1642925) Like, Tombi, I did not keep references when I started out (bad,bad,bad), but I have Ethel ATHERSTONE's date of birth as 5 June 1878, and that she is the daughter of Walter ATHERSTONE and Mary Ann Hornsby BLAKE. There are photographs of these two people in my great-grandmother's (Williamina CURRIE, nee BOWKER) photo album (see photo no. 90 here - http://1820settlers.com/modules.php?name=gallery2&g2_itemId=2627&g2_page=5). As you say, Craig, there are so many cross-linkages in these families that it can become very confusing. I would be very keen to hear what other listers think, as Alan Duthie BOWKER was my grandmother's (Olive CURRIE, nee BOWKER) brother. Kind regards Ian Currie On 2012/10/14 11:34 AM, Craig Hilton-Taylor wrote: > Hi Tombi > > Many thanks for all the extra details, that helped fill a few gaps. The > one > big difference I have concerns: > > 5. Alan Duthie BOWKER born abt Feb 1879 Graham's Town, Albany Eastern > Cape > of Good Hope died 24 March 1918 Flanders during WW1 married Ethel Mary > ATHERSTONE born May 1881, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope > died 11 August 1963 Johannesburg, Transvaal, Republic of South Africa. > > I have Alan's wife as Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER (born 31 Mar 1878 in > the Cape and died BEF 1918). Ethel was the daughter of Hilton > HILTON-BARBER > (1842-1928) and Fanny ATHERSTONE. Alan and Ethel married on 10 Mar 1909 > in > St Michael's and All Angel's Church, Middleton, Cape, South Africa. > > In support of this, if you look at the Memorial Inscription to Alan on the > Commonwealth Graves Commission website > (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/309828/BOWKER,%20ALAN%20DUTHIE) > it reads: > > "In Memory of > Lieutenant ALAN DUTHIE BOWKER > > 4th Regt., South African Infantry > who died age 38 > on 24 March 1918 > Son of Miles and Elizabeth Mary BOWKER; husband of the late Ethel > Atherstone > BOWKER. > Remembered with honour > HEM FARM MILITARY CEMETERY, HEM-MONACU" > > So his wife's 2nd name was Atherstone, and she had died before Alan was > killed in the Battle of the Somme. > > > > There are so many cross linkages between these families and the same names > keep recurring hence it is very easy to get the wrong people linked up. So > I > am not sure which of us is correct - can anyone else help? > > Best wishes > Craig > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 08:34:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 08:34:00

Hi Gail Sorry no HOGGs I am afraid only a HOGGE who was a resident magistrate at Matatiele. Kind regards Nikki -----Original Message----- From: Gail Röthlin Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:43 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] HOGG Cape Civil Service List 1900 Nikki, Could you please check for a Mr HOGG, in the Forestry Dept, I think. Thanks, Gail ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 08:34:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 08:34:00

Nikki, Could you please check for a Mr HOGG, in the Forestry Dept, I think. Thanks, Gail

Dear list members, Transcripts of the baptism book of the Dutch Reformed Church Cape Town 1695-1712 for the years of 1698-1703 are now to be found on our eGSSA website under “South African Records Transcribed” http://www.eggsa.org/sarecords/index.php/church-registers/cape-town-baptisms-1695-1712 The Archive of the Classical Amsterdam: Letters from the Cape has been added to with letters from the town community of Stellenbosch: http://www.eggsa.org/sarecords/index.php/classis-amsterdam/stellenbosch-church-board The rest of the transcripts (B to F) to follow shortly If you have any comments or suggestions about these transcripts,Please be as free to contact me. Enjoy! Corney Keller, Zaandam, NL

Hi Ian, Nikki and Marielle It certainly looks like there is mounting evidence that Alan Duthie BOWKER married Ethel ATHERSTONE and not Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER. Just shows how easy it is to be lead astray and the need to cross-check all information very carefully, especially if it is not well-sourced. Many apologies to Tombi and any others who corrected their data to what I said. The collective breadth, depth and sharing of knowledge in our genie community always amazes me. Thanks to all Craig -----Original Message----- From: Ian Currie Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:44 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Alan Duthie BOWKER Hi Craig, Tombi and Nikki There is indeed some controversy about exactly who the wife of Alan Duthie BOWKER was. However, although I cannot prove it 100%, as I have not seen a marriage certificate yet, I think that he married Ethel ATHERSTONE, and not Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER. My reasoning is as follows: Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER, it would appear, from her tombstone, never married, and only died in 1949. See http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1314810. So she clearly did not die before Alan Duthie BOWKER, and her tombstone still gives her maiden name. I have been unable to find a tombstone for Ethel Atherstone BOWKER. The only Ethel BOWKER listed on eGGSA Gravestones is Ethel Patricia Southey BOWKER, nee STIRK (http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1642925) Like, Tombi, I did not keep references when I started out (bad,bad,bad), but I have Ethel ATHERSTONE's date of birth as 5 June 1878, and that she is the daughter of Walter ATHERSTONE and Mary Ann Hornsby BLAKE. There are photographs of these two people in my great-grandmother's (Williamina CURRIE, nee BOWKER) photo album (see photo no. 90 here - http://1820settlers.com/modules.php?name=gallery2&g2_itemId=2627&g2_page=5). As you say, Craig, there are so many cross-linkages in these families that it can become very confusing. I would be very keen to hear what other listers think, as Alan Duthie BOWKER was my grandmother's (Olive CURRIE, nee BOWKER) brother. Kind regards Ian Currie On 2012/10/14 11:34 AM, Craig Hilton-Taylor wrote: > Hi Tombi > > Many thanks for all the extra details, that helped fill a few gaps. The > one > big difference I have concerns: > > 5. Alan Duthie BOWKER born abt Feb 1879 Graham's Town, Albany Eastern > Cape > of Good Hope died 24 March 1918 Flanders during WW1 married Ethel Mary > ATHERSTONE born May 1881, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope > died 11 August 1963 Johannesburg, Transvaal, Republic of South Africa. > > I have Alan's wife as Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER (born 31 Mar 1878 in > the Cape and died BEF 1918). Ethel was the daughter of Hilton > HILTON-BARBER > (1842-1928) and Fanny ATHERSTONE. Alan and Ethel married on 10 Mar 1909 > in > St Michael's and All Angel's Church, Middleton, Cape, South Africa. > > In support of this, if you look at the Memorial Inscription to Alan on the > Commonwealth Graves Commission website > (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/309828/BOWKER,%20ALAN%20DUTHIE) > it reads: > > "In Memory of > Lieutenant ALAN DUTHIE BOWKER > > 4th Regt., South African Infantry > who died age 38 > on 24 March 1918 > Son of Miles and Elizabeth Mary BOWKER; husband of the late Ethel > Atherstone > BOWKER. > Remembered with honour > HEM FARM MILITARY CEMETERY, HEM-MONACU" > > So his wife's 2nd name was Atherstone, and she had died before Alan was > killed in the Battle of the Somme. > > > > There are so many cross linkages between these families and the same names > keep recurring hence it is very easy to get the wrong people linked up. So > I > am not sure which of us is correct - can anyone else help? > > Best wishes > Craig > > >

Hi Sue here you go! kind regards Nikki Both Charles Edward and Clarence Jenkins WARNER worked in the Ministerial Dept of The Prime Minister in The Inspectors of Native Locations Branch - Engcobo. Clarence Jenkins was the Resident Magistrate First appointment date July 18 1878; Fixed appointment date Feb 1 1886; date appointed to this post Mar 28 1894 His salary was 450 pounds per annum and allowances of 50 pounds per annum for housing and 25 pounds per annum as visiting magistrate. Services of Officers WARNER Clarence Jenkins (L) - Clerk to chief magistrate, Fingoland 18 July 1878; clerk to resident magistrate Willowvale 20 Jan 1879; Nqamakwe 13 Aug 1885; asst. magistrate Nov 1885; clerk to chief magistrate Transkei 14 April 1887; chief clerk to chief magistrate Transkei and Tembuland 1 Jul 1892; resident magistrate Engcobo 28 mar 1894. was employed on special service at Idutywa in 1881 and 1891. Charles Edward WARNER was Asst. Resident Magistrate, Clerk & D.S. First appointment date Sep 1 1882; Fixed appointment date Feb 1 1886; date appointed to this post Aug 1 1888. His salary was 300 pounds per annum with a housing allowance of 25 pounds p.a. Services of Officers WARNER, Charles Edward - served as lieutenant in Gongubela War 1878; appointed assistant clerk and interpreter to resident magistrate, Engcobo, Sept 1882; 1st clerk, 25th Oct. 1888; acting resident magistrate during 1888-1893 and Engcobo 1898. Harry Bradfield WARNER worked in the same dept and Branch but at Tabankulu. He was Resident Magistrate. First appointment date sep 27 1880; Fixed appointment date Feb 1 1886; Date of appointment to this post Mar 23 1894. His salary was 500 pounds p.a with local allowances of 50 pounds p.a plus quarters. Services of Officers WARNER, Harry Bradfield (L) - Clerk to resident magistrate Mount Ayliff from27 Sept 1880 to 31 Aug 1882;during that time was lieutenant of native levies from 10 Dec 1880 to 15 July 1881 and was also acting resident magistrate at Mount Ayliff from 20 Oct to 4 Dec 1881, and at Mount Frere from 1 to 15 Aug 1882; clerk to resident magistrate Xalanga 1 Sept 1882; transferred to St Mark's 1 May 1883; to Xalanga 1 Nov 1883 and to St Mark's 1 Jan 1884; assistant accountant to chief magistrate Tembuland 1885; accountant to chief magistrate Transkei 26 Dec 1889; resident magistrate Tabankulu 25 Sept 1894. William Taylor WARNERworked in the same Dept and branch but at St Mark's. he was Clerk and D.S. First appointment date April 1 1894; Fixed appointment date Sept 5 1894; Date of appointment to this post Nov 11 1897 . Salary 165 pounds p.a. with a housing allowance of 25 pounds p.a. Services of Officers WARNER William Taylor - Clerk Libode 1 April 1894; St Mark's 11 Nov 1897. Has acted at Libode and St Mark's. J.W.S Warner was a Forester at Willowvale. First appointment date April 1 1897; appointed to present post June 1 1898. Salary 84 pounds p.a. with a forage allowance of 24 pounds and quarters. -----Original Message----- From: Sue Alberts Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:40 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] JEWELL, JAMES, JOHNSON, CHERRY, HARRISON, DU PLESSIS,WARNER on Cape Civil Service List 1900 Nikki, I would like to know additional information on these WARNER men on the Cape Civil Service List. Researching Warner, Blacker, Wakeford and connected South African families. Sue A, WARNER Charles Edward Clarence jenkins Harry Bradfield William Taylor J.W.S. You wrote: If any of these are relevant to you just shout and I will type up what info there is. Kind regards Nikki Sedgefield ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 08:34:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 08:34:00

INDEX TO EAST LONDON METHODIST BAPTISMS on www.familysearch.org TO VIEW DOCUMENTS: 1. Under Browse by Location, click on Africa 2. Click on South Africa, Methodist Parish Registers, 1822-1996 3. Click on Browse through 18,726 images 4. Click on South Africa 5. Click on Cape of Good Hope 6. Click on East London 7. Click on Baptisms 1877-1949 6. Enter desired image # in Image # box Information is in this order: Image #; Item #; Surname; Given Name(s); Date of Birth (MM/DD/YY) 198; 304; DAVIDSON; Elizabeth Shepherd; 11/21/1923 199; 305; COOK; Allan Henderson; 1/11/1924 199; 305; COOPER; Hillary Desmond; 12/25/1923 199; 306; BANKS; Sydney William Hunter; 12/17/1923 199; 307; FUNNELL; Neville Sidney; 12/15/1923 199; 308; GELDERBLOM; Cecil Hood; 1/2/1924 199; 309; KLINKRADT; Vera Nita; 12/31/1923 199; 310; MARSH; Eric Cecil; 1/15/1924 199; 311; GROBBLAAR; Daphne Maud; 12/19/1923 200; 312; BOTHA; Annie Kathleen; 9/29/1923 200; 313; FIELD; Keith; 2/14/1924 200; 314; WEBSTER; Thelma Meryl; 2/5/1923 200; 315; COOK; Roy Edgar; 12/30/1923 200; 316; ROSE; Lorraine Elizabeth; 2/3/1923 200; 317; WEAKLEY; Stanley Lenord; 9/9/1920 200; 318; DODD; Eileen Joyce; 2/5/1924 200; 319; BOND; Daphne; 1/16/1924 201; 320; HASENJAGER; Denis; 1/19/1924 201; 321; DE WIT; Ivor Alexander; 2/25/1924 201; 322; DELPORT; Violet Florence; 1/12/1924 201; 323; HOOD; John Gilstain; 1/24/1924 201; 324; HENLEY; Naomi; 2/11/1924 201; 325; MASON; Bettie Maureen; 12/19/1922 201; 326; DOVEY; James Bentley; 8/24/1919 201; 327; DOVEY; Mary Jane; 2/8/1921 202; 328; DOVEY; Archie Reuben; 1/27/1924 202; 329; AUTHS; Evan John; 12/8/1923 202; 330; BROKENSHA; Peter Barry; 3/4/1924 202; 331; RICHARDS; Esme Charlotte; 2/25/1924 202; 332; HARVEY; Madge Muriel; 11/28/1923 202; 333; KIRSTEN; Norma Hilda; 3/21/1924 202; 334; VAN LELYVELD; Augustine Clignett; 3/14/1924 202; 335; YOUNG; Percival Derrick; 3/10/1924 203; 336; STEDMAN; Jean Margaret; 4/18/1924 203; 337; SIEBERT; Eva Iona; 5/4/1924 203; 338; CLARKE; Mary Dorothea; 5/26/1917 203; 339; SCHUMANN; Major; 12/7/1923 203; 340; TALBOT; Barbara Hazel; 4/4/1924 203; 341; ELBURG; Helena Eileen; 4/14/1924 203; 342; BELLAMY; Beryl Doreen; 5/12/1924 203; 343; FROWEN; Rose Matilda; 4/15/1916 204; 344; FROWEN; William Spencer; 7/19/1918 204; 345; FROWEN; Joan; 5/16/1924 204; 346; PAULIN; Rosetta Minerva; 9/25/1924 204; 347; KIRSTEN; Noreen; 3/1/1924 204; 348; KIRSTEN; Sylvia; 3/1/1924 204; 349; HUSBAND; Florence Mary; 4/20/1924 204; 350; BENNETT; Walter Templemore; 3/19/1924 204; 351; HARRIS; Laurain Rosizena; 5/18/1924 205; 352; SCOTT; Desmond William; 3/16/1924 205; 353; LEAR; Eunice Millicent; 5/19/1924 205; 354; LOLLEY; Mona Louisa; 5/19/1924 205; 355; BOOTY; Jack Hubert Stanbury; 4/11/1924 205; 356; SANSOM; Wesley William; 3/17/1924 205; 357; DIEMER; Dorothy Grace; 3/2/1924 205; 358; BENTLEY; Kathleen Yvonne; 4/16/1924 205; 359; WILKS; Alison Milton; 5/22/1924 206; 359A; ALLDRED; Leslie Samuel; 5/31/1924 206; 360; BOWLES; Thora Gladys; 5/11/1924 206; 361; FITZ; Edward Philip; 6/2/1924 206; 362; FRASER; Eric Vickers; 5/10/1924 206; 363; BOTHA; Innocent; 5/2/1922 206; 364; BOTHA; Joan Louisa; 6/17/1924 206; 365; PERCY; Stanley Richard; 6/26/1924 206; 366; SCOTT; Harry Robert; 12/21/1923 207; 367; TARR; Joan Marjorie; 5/13/1924 207; 368; ANLEY; Vivian Kenneth; 6/25/1924 207; 368A; LE ROUX; Eugene William; 7/1/1924 207; 369; LUPPNOW; Douglas Hermann; 5/16/1924 207; 370; AVIS; Joseph; 10/5/1892 207; 371; ELLWOOD; Blanche Elizabeth; 6/23/1924 207; 372; RUSTEBERG; Harold James; 5/31/1924 207; 373; STICKELLS; Mavis; 4/21/1924 208; 374; MULLER; Mervyn Donald; 5/22/1924 Transcribed by Ellen Stanton Email: harprulz@bellsouth.net

No Mallen I am afraid. If I pick up any other Scotsmen I will message Kind regards Nikki -----Original Message----- From: Marielle Ford Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:13 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] British SA Police Hi Nikki Any mention of Scotsmen who were in the BSAP, esp. MALLEN? Thank you. Marielle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikki" <alnic@polka.co.za> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:06 PM Subject: [ZA-EC] Randolph Cosby NESBITT > Hi all > Anyone researching NESBITTS? > Randolph Colby born Queenstown. There is a section pertaining to him in > the book Men Who Made Rhodesia, British South Africa Company’s Police by > Beddy. If anyone would like the onfo i will type it up for you. > Kind regards > Nikki > Sedgefield > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 08:34:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 08:34:00

Hi Nikki Any mention of Scotsmen who were in the BSAP, esp. MALLEN? Thank you. Marielle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikki" <alnic@polka.co.za> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:06 PM Subject: [ZA-EC] Randolph Cosby NESBITT > Hi all > Anyone researching NESBITTS? > Randolph Colby born Queenstown. There is a section pertaining to him in > the book Men Who Made Rhodesia, British South Africa Company’s Police by > Beddy. If anyone would like the onfo i will type it up for you. > Kind regards > Nikki > Sedgefield >

Hi all Anyone researching NESBITTS? Randolph Colby born Queenstown. There is a section pertaining to him in the book Men Who Made Rhodesia, British South Africa Company’s Police by Beddy. If anyone would like the onfo i will type it up for you. Kind regards Nikki Sedgefield No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5333 - Release Date: 10/15/12 08:34:00

Thanks Marielle I shall most certainly go and check it out next time I am in Cape Town. They are so helpful at the archives there. Cheers Ian On 2012/10/15 05:33 PM, Marielle Ford wrote: > Any help here maybe: > > DEPOT KAB > SOURCE MOOC > TYPE LEER > VOLUME_NO 13/1/4580 > SYSTEM 01 > REFERENCE 284 > PART 1 > DESCRIPTION BOWKER, ALAN D. LIQUIDATION AND DISTRIBUTION ACCOUNT. > ACCOUNT OF SUCCESSION DUTY. > STARTING 19220000 > ENDING 19220000 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Hilton-Taylor" <craig.hilton-taylor@sky.com> > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Alan Duthie BOWKER > > >> Hi Tombi >> >> Many thanks for all the extra details, that helped fill a few gaps. The >> one >> big difference I have concerns: >> >> 5. Alan Duthie BOWKER born abt Feb 1879 Graham's Town, Albany Eastern >> Cape >> of Good Hope died 24 March 1918 Flanders during WW1 married Ethel Mary >> ATHERSTONE born May 1881, Graham's Town, Albany, Eastern Cape of Good Hope >> died 11 August 1963 Johannesburg, Transvaal, Republic of South Africa. >> >> I have Alan's wife as Ethel Atherstone HILTON-BARBER (born 31 Mar 1878 in >> the Cape and died BEF 1918). Ethel was the daughter of Hilton >> HILTON-BARBER >> (1842-1928) and Fanny ATHERSTONE. Alan and Ethel married on 10 Mar 1909 >> in >> St Michael's and All Angel's Church, Middleton, Cape, South Africa. >> >> In support of this, if you look at the Memorial Inscription to Alan on the >> Commonwealth Graves Commission website >> (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/309828/BOWKER,%20ALAN%20DUTHIE) >> it reads: >> >> "In Memory of >> Lieutenant ALAN DUTHIE BOWKER >> >> 4th Regt., South African Infantry >> who died age 38 >> on 24 March 1918 >> Son of Miles and Elizabeth Mary BOWKER; husband of the late Ethel >> Atherstone >> BOWKER. >> Remembered with honour >> HEM FARM MILITARY CEMETERY, HEM-MONACU" >> >> So his wife's 2nd name was Atherstone, and she had died before Alan was >> killed in the Battle of the Somme. >> There are so many cross linkages between these families and the same names >> keep recurring hence it is very easy to get the wrong people linked up. So >> I >> am not sure which of us is correct - can anyone else help? >> >> Best wishes >> Craig >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >