Hi Elaine Thank you very much now I can add all my gggrandmother's missing brothers Much appreciated Regards Darryl -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rob and Elaine Sent: 24 October 2012 03:03 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Edwin John EDWARDS Hi Darryl I have them in my tree all the best Elaine Edwin John Edwards Birth 12 Jun 1864 in Winterberg,Cape Province,South Africa Death 1 May 1870 in "Post Retief",Winterberg,Cape Province,South Africa William Thomas Edwards Birth 2 Oct 1865 in Winterberg,Cape Province,South Africa Death 28 Apr 1870 Burial Winterberg, Fort Beaufort, Eastern Cape, South Africa Source: Genealogyworld.net/ellen/Burials in the Winterberg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Allwright" <darryl@allwrights.co.za> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Edwin John EDWARDS > Hi Norma > > Here is the link > http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1638947 > > There is another brother William Thomas EDWARDS > http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1638971 > > There are a few more EDWARDS graves on this site in Post Retief > > Thank you for the information if you have any details on William Thomas > would be much appreciated > > Regards > > Darryl > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Norma > Patrick > Sent: 22 October 2012 07:18 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Edwin John EDWARDS > > Morning Darryl > Yes he is son of Charles Richard and Ann Gibbens. > Born 15th June 1865 died 1st May 1870 > I have birth and death at Post Retief > > Is there a photo of the grave? Can you email to me please or give me > the > site so that I can look it up. > Thanks very much > Norma > > > > On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Darryl Allwright > <darryl@allwrights.co.za>wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> I am going through the grave prodject and found a grave for Edwin John >> EDWARDS d 1870 s/0 Charles and Ann EDWARDS. I would like to know is this >> the >> son of Charles Richard EDWARDS and Anne GIBBENS. His dates fit, but I do >> knot have him on my database. Can anyone assist please >> >> Regards >> >> Darryl Allwright >> P O Box 166 >> Grahamstown >> 6140 >> Cell: 076-091-2764 >> Tel: 046-622-8134 >> Researching: Allwright, Bold, Edwards, Eva, Fisher, Gibbens, Hulley, >> Marshall, Openshaw, Retief, Toerien and related families >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 7617 (20121023) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7622 (20121024) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All The answer is - don't lets leave it in their hands - digitise and make records available else where and in more than one place. In generations to come they will ask - "who has your grandfather's micro chip" as everything will be on there probably. Scary thought. Regards Heather Heather MacAlister Channel Manager E heather@ancestry24.co.za T +27 (021) 406 4343 F +27 (0)86 5810390 skype.com/ancestry24 5th Floor, 11 on Adderley Street, Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8001 | ancestry24.co.za -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ken & Eleanor Garvie Sent: 24 October 2012 06:48 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Cc: butler12@telkomsa.net Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] DIVORCE RECORDS Ah Sybil, What are we going to do with the custodians of our records :-) This is rather funny so you have not got Grandpappa's identity number - gosh the mind boggles!! Hope you find it soon! It just gets crazier and crazier at the Home Affairs! Kind regards Eleanor -------------------------------------------------- From: "sybil banisterjones" <sybilbj@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:24 AM To: "SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE" <SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com>; "KWAZULU-NATAL-SOUTH-AFRICA" <KWAZULU-NATAL-SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com>; <SOUTH-AFRICA-IMMIGRANTS-BRITISH-L-request@rootsweb.com>; "BUITENPOSTEN" <BUITENPOSTEN@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ZA-EC] DIVORCE RECORDS > Good morning listers > > Does anyone know if there are any records of divorces available in SA? > It would be from about 1919 onwards. Also, are birth certificates > only available from the Dep of Home Affairs? When I approached them to > try to find my grandfathers birth certificate I was told that if I > didnt have his ID number they couldnt help me!. He was born approx > 1875-1878 !!!!!! I would appreciate any help or advice. > Many thanks in advance > > Kind regards > Sybil Banister-Jones > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2741 / Virus Database: 2616/5850 - Release Date: 10/23/12 This email and its contents are subject to an email legal notice that can be viewed at: http://www.naspers.com/email/disclaimer.html Should you be unable to access the link provided, please email us for a copy at csc@optinet.net Hierdie e-pos en sy inhoud is onderhewig aan 'n regskennisgewing oor elektroniese pos wat gelees kan word by http://www.naspers.com/epos/vrywaring.html 'n Afskrif kan aangevra word by csc@optinet.net

What wonderful price! Well done! TP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elspeth Muirhead" <eamuirhead@telkomsa.net> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Readers' Digest Atlas of Southern Africa > Hi Tombi, > > I am thrilled! Got a copy from my local second hand bookshop for R95.00. > If > anyone else in Cape Town wants one my bookshop has another at the same > price. > > Now to source a magnifying glass! > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Elspeth > Muirhead > Sent: 24 October 2012 01:46 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Readers' Digest Atlas of Southern Africa > > Hi Tombi and Brian > > Thank you - do I need to find out that exact year? Or all of the editions > around that era do you think? > Brian did the bookshop have just one copy? Would you mind telling me which > one it was - I am in Cape Town. > > I'll try and track one down. Thank you. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sybil If you search for - How to find birth records - on Ancestry24 it gives one a good idea where and what you can find - Birth certificates were introduced officially in the late 1800′s and was not compulsory until 1905: Cape: 1895 Natal: 1868 Transvaal: 1901 Orange Free State: 1903 According to various sources Civil Registration dates are as follows: Province Births Marriages Deaths Cape 1895 1700 1895 Natal 1868 1845 1888 Transvaal 1901 1870 1901 OFS 1903 1848 1903 Probably the best option (unless he was born in Natal), would be to try and search for a records of your grandfathers Baptism. Best wishes Shirley On 24 October 2012 15:21, sybil banisterjones <sybilbj@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you to all of you for help offered, I really do appreciate it. One > of my brickwalls!!!! > Regards > Sybil > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 9:24 AM, sybil banisterjones <sybilbj@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Good morning listers >> >> Does anyone know if there are any records of divorces available in SA? It >> would be from about 1919 onwards. Also, are birth certificates only >> available from the Dep of Home Affairs? When I approached them to try to >> find my grandfathers birth certificate I was told that if I didnt have his >> ID number they couldnt help me!. He was born approx 1875-1878 !!!!!! I >> would appreciate any help or advice. >> Many thanks in advance >> >> Kind regards >> Sybil Banister-Jones >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you to all of you for help offered, I really do appreciate it. One of my brickwalls!!!! Regards Sybil On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 9:24 AM, sybil banisterjones <sybilbj@gmail.com>wrote: > Good morning listers > > Does anyone know if there are any records of divorces available in SA? It > would be from about 1919 onwards. Also, are birth certificates only > available from the Dep of Home Affairs? When I approached them to try to > find my grandfathers birth certificate I was told that if I didnt have his > ID number they couldnt help me!. He was born approx 1875-1878 !!!!!! I > would appreciate any help or advice. > Many thanks in advance > > Kind regards > Sybil Banister-Jones >

Hi Tombi, I am thrilled! Got a copy from my local second hand bookshop for R95.00. If anyone else in Cape Town wants one my bookshop has another at the same price. Now to source a magnifying glass! -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elspeth Muirhead Sent: 24 October 2012 01:46 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Readers' Digest Atlas of Southern Africa Hi Tombi and Brian Thank you - do I need to find out that exact year? Or all of the editions around that era do you think? Brian did the bookshop have just one copy? Would you mind telling me which one it was - I am in Cape Town. I'll try and track one down. Thank you. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Darryl I have them in my tree all the best Elaine Edwin John Edwards Birth 12 Jun 1864 in Winterberg,Cape Province,South Africa Death 1 May 1870 in "Post Retief",Winterberg,Cape Province,South Africa William Thomas Edwards Birth 2 Oct 1865 in Winterberg,Cape Province,South Africa Death 28 Apr 1870 Burial Winterberg, Fort Beaufort, Eastern Cape, South Africa Source: Genealogyworld.net/ellen/Burials in the Winterberg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Allwright" <darryl@allwrights.co.za> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Edwin John EDWARDS > Hi Norma > > Here is the link > http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1638947 > > There is another brother William Thomas EDWARDS > http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1638971 > > There are a few more EDWARDS graves on this site in Post Retief > > Thank you for the information if you have any details on William Thomas > would be much appreciated > > Regards > > Darryl > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Norma > Patrick > Sent: 22 October 2012 07:18 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Edwin John EDWARDS > > Morning Darryl > Yes he is son of Charles Richard and Ann Gibbens. > Born 15th June 1865 died 1st May 1870 > I have birth and death at Post Retief > > Is there a photo of the grave? Can you email to me please or give me > the > site so that I can look it up. > Thanks very much > Norma > > > > On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Darryl Allwright > <darryl@allwrights.co.za>wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> I am going through the grave prodject and found a grave for Edwin John >> EDWARDS d 1870 s/0 Charles and Ann EDWARDS. I would like to know is this >> the >> son of Charles Richard EDWARDS and Anne GIBBENS. His dates fit, but I do >> knot have him on my database. Can anyone assist please >> >> Regards >> >> Darryl Allwright >> P O Box 166 >> Grahamstown >> 6140 >> Cell: 076-091-2764 >> Tel: 046-622-8134 >> Researching: Allwright, Bold, Edwards, Eva, Fisher, Gibbens, Hulley, >> Marshall, Openshaw, Retief, Toerien and related families >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 7617 (20121023) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7622 (20121024) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Hi Tombi and Brian Thank you - do I need to find out that exact year? Or all of the editions around that era do you think? Brian did the bookshop have just one copy? Would you mind telling me which one it was - I am in Cape Town. I'll try and track one down. Thank you. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Elspeth, I've only ever seen my copy, but I would imagine it would be the same in each. Wouldn't it be more expensive to remove the farms from the maps than to simply update the atlas on each occasion? I think Nikki said there were 2 copies availale from Bidorbuy...... I tend to think Amazon as I live in the U.K. Best wishes, Tombi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elspeth Muirhead" <eamuirhead@telkomsa.net> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Readers' Digest Atlas of Southern Africa > Hi Tombi and Brian > > Thank you - do I need to find out that exact year? Or all of the editions > around that era do you think? > Brian did the bookshop have just one copy? Would you mind telling me which > one it was - I am in Cape Town. > > I'll try and track one down. Thank you. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all There are two copies on Bidorbuy ( not one of mine I hasten to add!! ) R250 and R300. It is always a good place to look out for books related to SA. Kind regards Nikki Sedgefield -----Original Message----- From: Tombi Peck Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 11:43 AM To: SAEC Subject: [ZA-EC] Readers' Digest Atlas of Southern Africa Hi, I found that Amazon.co.uk have two copies of the book available from the USA at less than I paid for mine (I don't have an idea of what the postage would be on top of the price) One was £44.31 & the other £58.28. There was another which would be dispatched from the U.K. which was considerably more expensive at £126.00. Perhaps if you looked it up locally in South Africa you might find less expensive copies available. I do treat myself to the odd expensive book if I feel it will be of use. I use my copy on an almost daily basis....it actually lives next to my bed so I do consider it good value for money. Best wishes, Tombi Peck ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5350 - Release Date: 10/23/12 20:34:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5350 - Release Date: 10/23/12 20:34:00

Hi Tombi Thanks for the tip! I managed to get a copy from a 2nd hand book dealer in Cape Town this morning for R350 (just to give you an idea of pricing here in SA). Take care Brian Benningfield Independant Banners Broker Affiliate Phones: 27(0)832759857 or 27(0)219758695 Fax: 27(0)866848582 Skype: brianben65 E-Mail: brian.ben44@gmail.com Here is a new approach to online advertising -where you get paid for your impressions Go to: http://www.bannersbroker.com/onlinebiz4all -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tombi Peck Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 11:44 AM To: SAEC Subject: [ZA-EC] Readers' Digest Atlas of Southern Africa Hi, I found that Amazon.co.uk have two copies of the book available from the USA at less than I paid for mine (I don't have an idea of what the postage would be on top of the price) One was £44.31 & the other £58.28. There was another which would be dispatched from the U.K. which was considerably more expensive at £126.00. Perhaps if you looked it up locally in South Africa you might find less expensive copies available. I do treat myself to the odd expensive book if I feel it will be of use. I use my copy on an almost daily basis....it actually lives next to my bed so I do consider it good value for money. Best wishes, Tombi Peck ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5350 - Release Date: 10/23/12

Hi, I hope you enjoy your copy as much as I enjoy mine. TP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Benningfield" <aurora@netactive.co.za> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Readers' Digest Atlas of Southern Africa Hi Tombi Thanks for the tip! I managed to get a copy from a 2nd hand book dealer in Cape Town this morning for R350 (just to give you an idea of pricing here in SA). Take care Brian Benningfield Independant Banners Broker Affiliate Phones: 27(0)832759857 or 27(0)219758695 Fax: 27(0)866848582 Skype: brianben65 E-Mail: brian.ben44@gmail.com Here is a new approach to online advertising -where you get paid for your impressions Go to: http://www.bannersbroker.com/onlinebiz4all -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tombi Peck Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 11:44 AM To: SAEC Subject: [ZA-EC] Readers' Digest Atlas of Southern Africa Hi, I found that Amazon.co.uk have two copies of the book available from the USA at less than I paid for mine (I don't have an idea of what the postage would be on top of the price) One was £44.31 & the other £58.28. There was another which would be dispatched from the U.K. which was considerably more expensive at £126.00. Perhaps if you looked it up locally in South Africa you might find less expensive copies available. I do treat myself to the odd expensive book if I feel it will be of use. I use my copy on an almost daily basis....it actually lives next to my bed so I do consider it good value for money. Best wishes, Tombi Peck ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5350 - Release Date: 10/23/12 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Cheri Mostly MULLIGAN and FITZGERALD - a SMITH connection with Post Retief - the only farms I know of still in existence today. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Marshall Sent: 24 October 2012 01:05 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts Hi Elspeth.. Which family Names are you looking at... Cheri -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elspeth Muirhead Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2012 8:31 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts Hi listers I'm in a hopeless tangle trying to find out more or less which parts of the Eastern Cape my family farmed in - it's suddenly got urgent as I want to do a trip to the Eastern Cape soon. I wonder if someone can explain how to trace the 1891 map of Komgha district (I have a list of the farm numbers and owners from on 2005 thread on this list but need to see whereabouts it is). I am not sure what the boundaries of Komgha district were - my farm is listed under a few below 'near Gonubie River' - for practical purposes is this vague info all I'll get anyway, and if so where does anyone know more or less where this would refer to? I then would like to find out about farms in the Indwe / Dordrecht area in the 1890s. My search of KAB showed farms being transferred from Wodehouse district and Elliot district around 1919. Indwe was very new in 1890 - but where would farms around 1894- 1900 or so be registered? Where and how would I look for this information? Thank you. Elspeth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I found that Amazon.co.uk have two copies of the book available from the USA at less than I paid for mine (I don't have an idea of what the postage would be on top of the price) One was £44.31 & the other £58.28. There was another which would be dispatched from the U.K. which was considerably more expensive at £126.00. Perhaps if you looked it up locally in South Africa you might find less expensive copies available. I do treat myself to the odd expensive book if I feel it will be of use. I use my copy on an almost daily basis....it actually lives next to my bed so I do consider it good value for money. Best wishes, Tombi Peck

Hi Elspeth, I managed to get a copy of the 'Readers Digest Atlas of Southern Africa' ....the copy I have was published in 1984. I was very surprised (and amazed) to find that there are thousands and thousands of farm names printed on the maps. I have succeeded in finding where many of my various family farms were situated just by looking at the maps. One does need a good magnifying glass, patience and a hi-liter.....I was brought up not to deface books, but I have to confess to having marked the various farms in different colours to indicate to me which branch of the family the farm had belonged to....it's a pity there are limited hi-lite colours available. One list member managed to find a copy for about £5 in New Zealand. My copy came from South Africa (I managed to find a copy through 'The Bookfinder General' but of course these days it is so much easier to find books on the net) was considerably more expensive. The postage alone was prohibitive as it is a very large book....to save money I got it posted by land rather than by air! Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elspeth Muirhead" <eamuirhead@telkomsa.net> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts > Hi Cheri > > Mostly MULLIGAN and FITZGERALD - a SMITH connection with Post Retief - the > only farms I know of still in existence today. > > Thanks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cheri > Marshall > Sent: 24 October 2012 01:05 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts > > Hi Elspeth.. > Which family Names are you looking at... > Cheri > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Elspeth > Muirhead > Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2012 8:31 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts > > Hi listers > > > > I'm in a hopeless tangle trying to find out more or less which parts of > the > Eastern Cape my family farmed in - it's suddenly got urgent as I want to > do > a trip to the Eastern Cape soon. I wonder if someone can explain how to > trace the 1891 map of Komgha district (I have a list of the farm numbers > and owners from on 2005 thread on this list but need to see whereabouts it > is). I am not sure what the boundaries of Komgha district were - my farm > is > listed under a few below 'near Gonubie River' - for practical purposes is > this vague info all I'll get anyway, and if so where does anyone know more > or less where this would refer to? > > > > I then would like to find out about farms in the Indwe / Dordrecht area in > the 1890s. My search of KAB showed farms being transferred from Wodehouse > district and Elliot district around 1919. Indwe was very new in 1890 - but > where would farms around 1894- 1900 or so be registered? Where and how > would > I look for this information? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Elspeth > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD Port Elizabeth, Wednesday, March 4, 1987. BIRTHS. KRIEK. – To André and Patricia, a son born on Monday, March 2, 1987 at Sandford. Grandson to Micky and Susan. Congratulations from Patrick, Linda and Chantel. NEVELING. – To Christo and Lorena, a daughter, sister to Louise. SCHOUW. – To Glen and Debbie a daughter. Granddaughter to Ann and Dennis SCHOUW. ENGAGEMENTS. BECKLEY. – LOVEMORE. James and Ann are happy to announce the engagement of their daughter, Michelle, to Christopher, son of Athol and Francis. DA SILVA. – RICHARDSON. Moira and Roger have pleasure in announcing the engagement of their third daughter, Kim to Marc, son of Olga and Viv of Sheffield, Natal. LE ROUX. – MONKS. Bill and Paddye MONKS have pleasure in announcing the engagement of their only daughter Jackye, to Chris, son of Susarah and the late Frikkie LE ROUX. DEATHS. COUFAL. – Bob, husband of Louise, passed away on Monday, March 2, 1987. Remembered by management and staff of Otis. DE KOCK. – Daan, died tragically on Friday, February 27, 1987. Missed by management and staff of Executive Security. HAMMOND. – Kerry-Lee, passed away on Saturday, February 28, 1987. Sympathy to Warren, Jenny and Tracy. Missed by your friend Sarah VAUGHAN. HARVEY. – Edith Vivienne, 19 Mowbray Street, passed away on Monday, March 2, 1987. Mourned by Esme, Linda, Thomas, Deane and Jose; sister of Gertie, Esmé and Sylvia. HATTINGH. – Thelma, passed away Saturday, February 28, 1987. Mourned by Lyn POOLE and family, Cape Town. HORN. – Norman Robert ,passed away on Monday, March 2, 1987, husband of Elizabeth and father of Carolyn, George and Dianne, uncle of Lionel,Marien, Susan and Robert WARSON, younger son of Gerty, brother of Ronnie and Margaret and Gaynor McGILLIVRAY, uncle of Beth and Nigel FORBES, Susan and Lance VAN STADEN, Russell and Heather HORN and Robert McGILLIVRAY. JONES. – Stella, sister of Joyce and Steve, aunt of Steffie, Karen, Ronetta, Charlene, passed away on Monday, March 2, 1987 at the Provincial Hospital. Remembered by Bill, Isa and William. MORRIS. – Albert John (Pop), passed away on Monday, March 2, 1987, grandfather of Jacqueline and Roger and great-grandfather to Adam and Guy. ROBERTSON. – William John, passed away on Friday, February 27, 1987.Remembered by Brian, Lorette, Nicky and Sean. SOFAL. – Bob. Remembered by Dietmar and Denise. THOMSON. - Allan. Sympathy to Dot and family. From Clive and Jane FIFE and family. FUNERAL NOTICES. COUFAL. – Bohumil, passed away on Monday, March 2, 1987. The funeral service will take place in the D.R. Church, Sonheuwel, tomorrow (Thursday March 5, 1987 at 2.30 pm. HORN. – Norman, passed away Monday, March 2, 1987. Memorial service will take place tomorrow (Thursday), March 5, in Emmanuel Assembly of God Church, cnr of Campbell and Edward Streets, Central, at 2.30 pm. Cremation private. MACDONALD. – Rhona Eileen, mourned by her husband Stomp, children Neil, Margie, Ross, Scott and families. Service will take place at St Nicholas Anglican Church, Redhouse, tomorrow (Thursday), March 5, 1987, at 11 am. Cremation private. STIRK. – Paul, son of Maisie, father of Tim and Mandy, brother of Athol, Mim, Bill and Peter. Funeral will take place at St Patricks, at 10 am, today (Wednesday), March 4, 1987. IN MEMORIAM. ALLEN. – Kevin. Remembered by Gran and Grandpa, Dad and Mom. CICIL. – Henkie, passed away March 3, 1986. Remembered by wife Shirley and family. NELSON. – Andrew, passed away March 3, four years ago. Remembered by your wife Elizabeth and family; Heleen and Herkie. VERWEY. – Llewellyn, killed in action on March 4, 1982. Remembered by Dad and Mom. Transcribed by Carol BENEKE nee STEWART Port Elizabeth, South Africa. 083 482 1482 carme@iafrica.com ________________________ Researching: STEWART, STONE, LUKE, OLIVIER, BENEKE, BENECKE, VON BENECKE and related families. Facebook group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/Beneke.Benecke.von.Benecke/

Hi Sybil Regarding your second question, I had the same experience with Home Affairs with them saying that the cannot do an ID number lookup for me either. But then even when I had the ID no and paid for a certificate, they never did anything. Regards Mal ------Original Message------ From: sybil banisterjones Sender: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com To: SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE To: KWAZULU-NATAL-SOUTH-AFRICA To: SOUTH-AFRICA-IMMIGRANTS-BRITISH-L-request@rootsweb.com To: BUITENPOSTEN ReplyTo: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] DIVORCE RECORDS Sent: 24 Oct 2012 9:24 AM Good morning listers Does anyone know if there are any records of divorces available in SA? It would be from about 1919 onwards. Also, are birth certificates only available from the Dep of Home Affairs? When I approached them to try to find my grandfathers birth certificate I was told that if I didnt have his ID number they couldnt help me!. He was born approx 1875-1878 !!!!!! I would appreciate any help or advice. Many thanks in advance Kind regards Sybil Banister-Jones ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning listers Does anyone know if there are any records of divorces available in SA? It would be from about 1919 onwards. Also, are birth certificates only available from the Dep of Home Affairs? When I approached them to try to find my grandfathers birth certificate I was told that if I didnt have his ID number they couldnt help me!. He was born approx 1875-1878 !!!!!! I would appreciate any help or advice. Many thanks in advance Kind regards Sybil Banister-Jones

Hi Elspeth.. Which family Names are you looking at... Cheri -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elspeth Muirhead Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2012 8:31 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts Hi listers I'm in a hopeless tangle trying to find out more or less which parts of the Eastern Cape my family farmed in - it's suddenly got urgent as I want to do a trip to the Eastern Cape soon. I wonder if someone can explain how to trace the 1891 map of Komgha district (I have a list of the farm numbers and owners from on 2005 thread on this list but need to see whereabouts it is). I am not sure what the boundaries of Komgha district were - my farm is listed under a few below 'near Gonubie River' - for practical purposes is this vague info all I'll get anyway, and if so where does anyone know more or less where this would refer to? I then would like to find out about farms in the Indwe / Dordrecht area in the 1890s. My search of KAB showed farms being transferred from Wodehouse district and Elliot district around 1919. Indwe was very new in 1890 - but where would farms around 1894- 1900 or so be registered? Where and how would I look for this information? Thank you. Elspeth