Sorry a typo I have just noticed: Should read Dorothea not Drothea! Oops! Ian Currie On 2012/10/25 06:38 AM, Ian Currie wrote: > Hi Elspeth > > I have one CONNELLAN/MULLIGAN connection on my CURRIE tree. > > Drothea O'Carroll MULLIN (1898-1989), daughter of Patrick James MULLIN > and Mary Ann PHILIPPS, married, in 1908, Bernard Reginald CONNELLAN > (1890-1965), son of John Jim CONNELLAN and Mary Ann Elizabeth MULLIGAN. > > I have no other details for Mary Ann Elizabeth MULLIGAN besides her > name. This CONNELLAN family lived and farmed in the King William's > Town/Stutterheim district. > > Don't know if this will be of any help to you. > > Kind regards > > Ian Currie > > > On 2012/10/24 10:06 PM, Elspeth Muirhead wrote: >> Hi Darryl >> >> I only know about my Mulligan's (married to a Smith) and a Fitzgerald's in >> King Williams Town. I see you also have family at Post Retief - I am going >> there I hope as that is the most definite connection I know of. Mulligan >> daughters married into the Connellan family and also into the Schrieder >> family. There is also a connection with the Moorcroft family in Winterberg >> region. >> >> What families are you researching? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Darryl >> Allwright >> Sent: 24 October 2012 01:21 AM >> To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts >> >> Hi Elizabeth >> >> I would also like to know who you are researching in that areas as a large >> portion of my tree stayed in these areas >> >> Regards >> >> Darryl >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elspeth >> Muirhead >> Sent: 24 October 2012 12:31 AM >> To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [ZA-EC] Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts >> >> Hi listers >> >> >> >> I'm in a hopeless tangle trying to find out more or less which parts of the >> Eastern Cape my family farmed in - it's suddenly got urgent as I want to do >> a trip to the Eastern Cape soon. I wonder if someone can explain how to >> trace the 1891 map of Komgha district (I have a list of the farm numbers >> and owners from on 2005 thread on this list but need to see whereabouts it >> is). I am not sure what the boundaries of Komgha district were - my farm is >> listed under a few below 'near Gonubie River' - for practical purposes is >> this vague info all I'll get anyway, and if so where does anyone know more >> or less where this would refer to? >> >> >> >> I then would like to find out about farms in the Indwe / Dordrecht area in >> the 1890s. My search of KAB showed farms being transferred from Wodehouse >> district and Elliot district around 1919. Indwe was very new in 1890 - but >> where would farms around 1894- 1900 or so be registered? Where and how would >> I look for this information? >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> >> Elspeth >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD Port Elizabeth, Saturday, March 7, 1987. BIRTHS. COVERLEY. – To Bevis and Verna, a son, Thursday, March 5, 1987. KLEINHANS. – To Christo and Dalet (nee OLIVIER), a son. OSBORNE. – To Peter and Sharon (nee LE ROUX), a son on Wednesday, March 4, 1987 at Sandford. DEATHS. CURRIE. - Alexander (Sandy), husband of Jessie, father of Milton and Jenny, grandfather of Bronwyn-Lee and Donovan, passed away at the Provincial Hospital on Wednesday, March 4, 1987. Service will take place at the Methodist Church, Third Avenue, Newton Park, on Monday March 9, 1987 at 11 am. Cremation Private. Remembered by George, Don and Mollie; Nan. DAVIES. – Tilly, wife of Jack, passed away on Friday, March 6, 1987. Remembered by Denise, Andrew, Karyn and Lisa; Eileen, Newton, Brenda, Phillip and Ernest; mother of Helen GARDNER and Claude, grandmother of Ian, Bruce, Claudia and Andrea; son John and Lesley and grandsons Grant and Shaun. ENRACHT – MOONEY. Helen, passed away on Thursday, March 5, 1987. Missed by Sandy, Sean, Patsy, Spike, Dave, Lynne and André; John, Joan, Helene and Frank. FISCHER. – Kay, passed away on Thursday March 5, 1987. Remembered by Denise, Bonny. Peter and Mark; Ann. MCTAGGART. – Thomas (Paddy), passed away on Friday, March 6, 1987. Mourned by his wife Letty, son Thomas and daughter Tish; Grace, Reg, Tyrone, Jenny and family, May and family. TASMER. – Dorothy (Dot), passed away at Cape Town on Thursday, March 5, 1987.Missed by his friend Joe and Kesa COFFREY, Port Alfred. WALLIS. – Arthur James. Remembered by Marlene, Peter (Zimbabwe), Debbie, Warren, Diane and families. FUNERAL NOTICES. DAVIES. – Tilly, wife of Jack, passed away on Friday, March 6, 1987. The funeral service will take place at St Margaret’s Church, Summerstrand at 12 noon on Monday, March 9. Cremation private. ENRACHT – MOONEY. Helen, passed away on Thursday, March 5, 1987. The funeral will take place in Holy Trinity Church on Monday, March 9, 1987 at 2 pm. Cremation private. FISCHER. – Kathleen. The funeral will take place at the Crematorium on Monday, March 9, 1987 at 10 am. QUEST. – Dorothy Mabel Terwin, passed away at 9 Ayliff Street, Grahamstown on Thursday, March 5, 1987. Sister of Dorothy, Myra and Frank. Service will take place from the Cathedral of St Michael and St George at 3 pm on Monday, March 9. SPARROW. – Gladys Constance. The funeral will take place at St John’s Anglican Church, Bathurst, on Monday March 9, 1987 at 11 am. Mourned by Basil and Gwen, Ted and Mary, Maureen and Angus and families. TOUGH. – Hetty. Service will take place in Pearson Street Congregational Church today (Saturday), March 7, 1987 at 9 am. Cremation private. WALLIS.- Arthur. The service will take place in the Westering Methodist Church on Monday, March 9, 1987 at 2 pm. Cremation private. IN MEMORIAM. NEL. – Stephen, died tragically March 6, 1986. Remembered by Robin. BOUWERS. – Dane, passed away March 7, 1986. Remembered by Patrick, Hilda, Tessa, Mandy, Brent and Berenice. TERBLANCHE. – My husband. Remembered by wife Hester and daughter Petro. YOU LEE. – Shirley, passed away 10 years ago today. Remembered by husband Kenneth and children Tony and Ann; daughter Carol and Wing and grandson Grant. Transcribed by Carol BENEKE nee STEWART Port Elizabeth, South Africa. 083 482 1482 carme@iafrica.com ________________________ Researching: STEWART, STONE, LUKE, OLIVIER, BENEKE, BENECKE, VON BENECKE and related families. Facebook group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/Beneke.Benecke.von.Benecke/

Good morning I looked up my mother's birth records at the Cape Archives (you need to know where and more or less when they were born otherwise it will take an age!). There is a registration number in the handwritten record books, I believe that is the number that is used to apply for the birth certificate. According to what I understood, if the birth was more than 100 years ago, the Archives could show you a copy otherwise you would have to apply to Home Affairs using the registration number. As my mother was born in 1923, I could only see the register and was not permitted to see the actual detailed record so I can't say whether this would be exactly the same as a birth certificate. I suppose all the above only applies to births 1895 and after. Before that, the church records may be the only source of information about a birth. Antoinette -----Original Message----- From: Brian Benningfield [mailto:aurora@netactive.co.za] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 7:27 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] DIVORCE RECORDS Didn't our recently departed minister of home affairs say "please don't mess up (my) home affairs department" before she left? LOL I applied for a copy of my grandfather's BC in 2008 - paid my R50; followed up several times; went to see them at tgheir offices in Bellville , Cape Town..stood in a queue for hours, and have yet to receive a response from them! Many people must be having the same problem we have ie no ID for our grandparents - it would be very useful if someone could offer a suggestion as to how one could go about finding an ID number. In my case my grandfather was born in 1892 and none of his D/N; 2 x marriage certificates and a service certificate shows his ID number. Brian Benningfield

Hi Elspeth I have one CONNELLAN/MULLIGAN connection on my CURRIE tree. Drothea O'Carroll MULLIN (1898-1989), daughter of Patrick James MULLIN and Mary Ann PHILIPPS, married, in 1908, Bernard Reginald CONNELLAN (1890-1965), son of John Jim CONNELLAN and Mary Ann Elizabeth MULLIGAN. I have no other details for Mary Ann Elizabeth MULLIGAN besides her name. This CONNELLAN family lived and farmed in the King William's Town/Stutterheim district. Don't know if this will be of any help to you. Kind regards Ian Currie On 2012/10/24 10:06 PM, Elspeth Muirhead wrote: > Hi Darryl > > I only know about my Mulligan's (married to a Smith) and a Fitzgerald's in > King Williams Town. I see you also have family at Post Retief - I am going > there I hope as that is the most definite connection I know of. Mulligan > daughters married into the Connellan family and also into the Schrieder > family. There is also a connection with the Moorcroft family in Winterberg > region. > > What families are you researching? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Darryl > Allwright > Sent: 24 October 2012 01:21 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts > > Hi Elizabeth > > I would also like to know who you are researching in that areas as a large > portion of my tree stayed in these areas > > Regards > > Darryl > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elspeth > Muirhead > Sent: 24 October 2012 12:31 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts > > Hi listers > > > > I'm in a hopeless tangle trying to find out more or less which parts of the > Eastern Cape my family farmed in - it's suddenly got urgent as I want to do > a trip to the Eastern Cape soon. I wonder if someone can explain how to > trace the 1891 map of Komgha district (I have a list of the farm numbers > and owners from on 2005 thread on this list but need to see whereabouts it > is). I am not sure what the boundaries of Komgha district were - my farm is > listed under a few below 'near Gonubie River' - for practical purposes is > this vague info all I'll get anyway, and if so where does anyone know more > or less where this would refer to? > > > > I then would like to find out about farms in the Indwe / Dordrecht area in > the 1890s. My search of KAB showed farms being transferred from Wodehouse > district and Elliot district around 1919. Indwe was very new in 1890 - but > where would farms around 1894- 1900 or so be registered? Where and how would > I look for this information? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Elspeth > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Good Morning all Listers, Gail very kindly sent me the link to a Family Search site where I found the copy of a "Form of Notification of a Death," which I have never seen before. In certain instances it is almost like a DN but giving only the children's ages and no names. Why this is a gem is that it shows my gg grandparents August Hermann GEBHARDT and Christina NURENBERG in fact had 15 children and not 14 as I originally believed. The 15th child, a daughter, only survived for 10 days. The only timeslot I think she may fall into is sometime between 1879 and 1881, between the births of her sisters Sophie and Antonje or after 1881. Can any lister point me in the direction where I can try to locate a birth or death entry for the little one? Unfortunately I have no name for her. Regards to all, and thanks again Gail, Rod g

This is such a wonderful list! Thank you everyone for your help and encouragement! I am being very greedy and demanding at the moment but I've suddenly realized the trip I've dreamed of for many years, has to happen next month ... and can't wait till everything is in place. Sorry I know this is repetitive - but I'm posting this on the off chance that someone may know neighbouring farms. I have only the farm number (f57-201) and the names of the neighbours who were a G GRAY (near Gonubie River) and a G.STUTTERLAND. Does anyone know something about this area or where/who I would find a copy of the map? Is there someone at the KAB who could tell me if they have this map? I can't find it on NAAIRS. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers Does anyone have any information on Machal Maria Magdalena Elizabeth HURN formerly DEETLEFS nee DU PREEZ . Date of Birth 13/09/1872 Date of Death 04/05/1956 and is buried at Cambridge Cemetry, East London. She was married to Dirk Hermanus DEETLEFS [he died in 1901]. She then married William HURN [he died in 1946]. I am trying to trace details of her parents or any siblings. I have searched on NAAIRS for a death notice but there does not seem to be one. Many thanks Jackie Greenwood

Hi Darryl I only know about my Mulligan's (married to a Smith) and a Fitzgerald's in King Williams Town. I see you also have family at Post Retief - I am going there I hope as that is the most definite connection I know of. Mulligan daughters married into the Connellan family and also into the Schrieder family. There is also a connection with the Moorcroft family in Winterberg region. What families are you researching? -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Allwright Sent: 24 October 2012 01:21 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts Hi Elizabeth I would also like to know who you are researching in that areas as a large portion of my tree stayed in these areas Regards Darryl -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elspeth Muirhead Sent: 24 October 2012 12:31 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts Hi listers I'm in a hopeless tangle trying to find out more or less which parts of the Eastern Cape my family farmed in - it's suddenly got urgent as I want to do a trip to the Eastern Cape soon. I wonder if someone can explain how to trace the 1891 map of Komgha district (I have a list of the farm numbers and owners from on 2005 thread on this list but need to see whereabouts it is). I am not sure what the boundaries of Komgha district were - my farm is listed under a few below 'near Gonubie River' - for practical purposes is this vague info all I'll get anyway, and if so where does anyone know more or less where this would refer to? I then would like to find out about farms in the Indwe / Dordrecht area in the 1890s. My search of KAB showed farms being transferred from Wodehouse district and Elliot district around 1919. Indwe was very new in 1890 - but where would farms around 1894- 1900 or so be registered? Where and how would I look for this information? Thank you. Elspeth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there Elspeth - I need all the help you can give me to find a place in the maps - like the name of a prominent town nearby, and then a comment like "30 kilometers south of grahamstown near ... ! Or the GPS coordinates ! Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elspeth Muirhead" <eamuirhead@telkomsa.net> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Re Farm maps > Shooh Joy! What a wonderful offer - thank you so much! Do I have to be > very > specific - not enough to say Dordrecht / Indwe region - although I think > Indwe changed from private farms to communal Transkei land or whatever. I > will try and do a little more research on this. >

Shooh Joy! What a wonderful offer - thank you so much! Do I have to be very specific - not enough to say Dordrecht / Indwe region - although I think Indwe changed from private farms to communal Transkei land or whatever. I will try and do a little more research on this. -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of joy Sent: 24 October 2012 07:17 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Re Farm maps OK - After lurking for ages, I now have something to offer. A friend of mine works there, and has let me know that you pay for PRINTED copies of the maps, but DIGITAL copies of the maps are free. I have the full set of South African maps - about 20 GIGABYTES !! If you know the map you want, drop me a line, and I will send it to you - before the end of this month if possible as I have some bandwidth left over ! Joy Wellbeloved ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saul Issroff" <saul65@gmail.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 7:06 PM Subject: [ZA-EC] Re Farm maps > For more detailed farm map research ttry the National Geo Spatial Map > information centre in Mowbray. > see http://tinyurl.com/7r8b7d9 > > "Maps and Geo-spatial Information > > This includes the popular 1:10 000 orthophoto and 1:50 000 > topographic, numerous other smaller scale, provincial and national > maps. Orthorectified imagery, elevation data (including DEMS), vector > topographic data as well as raster maps are available digitally. > > Maps and Charts (Digital/ Raster or Printed) > > Buy Topographic Sheets of South Africa."Only R120. 00 for the set of six > DVD's." > > Click on the links below to view the various map products we offer: > > 1:10 000 Orthophoto Maps > 1:50 000 Topographical Maps > 1:250 000 Topo-Cadastral Maps > 1:500 000 Topo-Admin and Aeronautical Maps > 1:500 000 Topo-Admin Maps > Aerial Photography > 1:500 000 ICAO World Aeronautical Charts > 1:1000 000 International Civil Aviation Organisation World Aeronautical > Charts > Provincial Maps > Wall Maps" > > > I've also found copies of the original Cape Survey Maps in the British > Library Map Department, a very useful resource. > > > Saul Issroff > London > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, I do not think that ID Nos were allocated to SA citizens until about the 1960's. There cannot have been ID nos allocated when there was not even a Centralised Record System for much of SA. Regards Terry Cockcroft terrycoc@xsinet.co.za

Didn't our recently departed minister of home affairs say "please don't mess up (my) home affairs department" before she left? LOL I applied for a copy of my grandfather's BC in 2008 - paid my R50; followed up several times; went to see them at tgheir offices in Bellville , Cape Town..stood in a queue for hours, and have yet to receive a response from them! Many people must be having the same problem we have ie no ID for our grandparents - it would be very useful if someone could offer a suggestion as to how one could go about finding an ID number. In my case my grandfather was born in 1892 and none of his D/N; 2 x marriage certificates and a service certificate shows his ID number. Brian Benningfield -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sybil banisterjones Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 6:55 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] DIVORCE RECORDS Hear, hear !!!!!!!!!!!!!! On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Ken & Eleanor Garvie < garviek@dbn.stormnet.co.za> wrote: > Ah Sybil, > > What are we going to do with the custodians of our records :-) This is > rather funny so you have not got Grandpappa's identity number - gosh the > mind boggles!! > > Hope you find it soon! > > It just gets crazier and crazier at the Home Affairs! > > Kind regards > > Eleanor > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "sybil banisterjones" <sybilbj@gmail.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:24 AM > To: "SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE" <SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com>; > "KWAZULU-NATAL-SOUTH-AFRICA" <KWAZULU-NATAL-SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com>; > <SOUTH-AFRICA-IMMIGRANTS-BRITISH-L-request@rootsweb.com>; "BUITENPOSTEN" > <BUITENPOSTEN@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [ZA-EC] DIVORCE RECORDS > > > Good morning listers > > > > Does anyone know if there are any records of divorces available in SA? > It > > would be from about 1919 onwards. Also, are birth certificates only > > available from the Dep of Home Affairs? When I approached them to try to > > find my grandfathers birth certificate I was told that if I didnt have > his > > ID number they couldnt help me!. He was born approx 1875-1878 !!!!!! I > > would appreciate any help or advice. > > Many thanks in advance > > > > Kind regards > > Sybil Banister-Jones > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5351 - Release Date: 10/24/12

OK - After lurking for ages, I now have something to offer. A friend of mine works there, and has let me know that you pay for PRINTED copies of the maps, but DIGITAL copies of the maps are free. I have the full set of South African maps - about 20 GIGABYTES !! If you know the map you want, drop me a line, and I will send it to you - before the end of this month if possible as I have some bandwidth left over ! Joy Wellbeloved ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saul Issroff" <saul65@gmail.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 7:06 PM Subject: [ZA-EC] Re Farm maps > For more detailed farm map research ttry the National Geo Spatial Map > information centre in Mowbray. > see http://tinyurl.com/7r8b7d9 > > "Maps and Geo-spatial Information > > This includes the popular 1:10 000 orthophoto and 1:50 000 > topographic, numerous other smaller scale, provincial and national > maps. Orthorectified imagery, elevation data (including DEMS), vector > topographic data as well as raster maps are available digitally. > > Maps and Charts (Digital/ Raster or Printed) > > Buy Topographic Sheets of South Africa."Only R120. 00 for the set of six > DVD's." > > Click on the links below to view the various map products we offer: > > 1:10 000 Orthophoto Maps > 1:50 000 Topographical Maps > 1:250 000 Topo-Cadastral Maps > 1:500 000 Topo-Admin and Aeronautical Maps > 1:500 000 Topo-Admin Maps > Aerial Photography > 1:500 000 ICAO World Aeronautical Charts > 1:1000 000 International Civil Aviation Organisation World Aeronautical > Charts > Provincial Maps > Wall Maps" > > > I've also found copies of the original Cape Survey Maps in the British > Library Map Department, a very useful resource. > > > Saul Issroff > London > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hear, hear !!!!!!!!!!!!!! On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Ken & Eleanor Garvie < garviek@dbn.stormnet.co.za> wrote: > Ah Sybil, > > What are we going to do with the custodians of our records :-) This is > rather funny so you have not got Grandpappa's identity number - gosh the > mind boggles!! > > Hope you find it soon! > > It just gets crazier and crazier at the Home Affairs! > > Kind regards > > Eleanor > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "sybil banisterjones" <sybilbj@gmail.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:24 AM > To: "SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE" <SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com>; > "KWAZULU-NATAL-SOUTH-AFRICA" <KWAZULU-NATAL-SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com>; > <SOUTH-AFRICA-IMMIGRANTS-BRITISH-L-request@rootsweb.com>; "BUITENPOSTEN" > <BUITENPOSTEN@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [ZA-EC] DIVORCE RECORDS > > > Good morning listers > > > > Does anyone know if there are any records of divorces available in SA? > It > > would be from about 1919 onwards. Also, are birth certificates only > > available from the Dep of Home Affairs? When I approached them to try to > > find my grandfathers birth certificate I was told that if I didnt have > his > > ID number they couldnt help me!. He was born approx 1875-1878 !!!!!! I > > would appreciate any help or advice. > > Many thanks in advance > > > > Kind regards > > Sybil Banister-Jones > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ah Sybil, What are we going to do with the custodians of our records :-) This is rather funny so you have not got Grandpappa's identity number - gosh the mind boggles!! Hope you find it soon! It just gets crazier and crazier at the Home Affairs! Kind regards Eleanor -------------------------------------------------- From: "sybil banisterjones" <sybilbj@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:24 AM To: "SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE" <SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com>; "KWAZULU-NATAL-SOUTH-AFRICA" <KWAZULU-NATAL-SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com>; <SOUTH-AFRICA-IMMIGRANTS-BRITISH-L-request@rootsweb.com>; "BUITENPOSTEN" <BUITENPOSTEN@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ZA-EC] DIVORCE RECORDS > Good morning listers > > Does anyone know if there are any records of divorces available in SA? It > would be from about 1919 onwards. Also, are birth certificates only > available from the Dep of Home Affairs? When I approached them to try to > find my grandfathers birth certificate I was told that if I didnt have his > ID number they couldnt help me!. He was born approx 1875-1878 !!!!!! I > would appreciate any help or advice. > Many thanks in advance > > Kind regards > Sybil Banister-Jones > >

Thanks Paul, Unfortunately I have a very elderly computer and wouldn't like to try to download anything into her (especially a large file). I have to say I'm also old enough to enjoy actual books. I'm not too old not to enjoy looking at all the houses still standing which are to be found on Search.... It was amazing seeing how the house we lived in at 31 Hillbrow Street, Berea, Johannesburg looks now....it looked nothing like this when we lived there in 1973. Quite fun being able to walk up and down the road! Best wishes, Tombi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul le Roux" <paultjie@mweb.co.za> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts Dear Tombi, Elspeth and other listers, You can download the trial (free) version of the map-viewing software OziExplorer at http://www.oziexplorer3.com/eng/oziexplorer.html If the program won't run and says it needs a file - Google that file and download it to the program file. Then go to http://www.madmappers.com/countries.php?TY=R where all the SA250k and SA50k topographic maps are available free (raster maps). These are the most detailed maps, those you normally buy at the Surveyor General's office. Farms are also marked on these maps. It takes a bit of bandwidth to download, but the result is a digital set of SA maps with no equivalent. Regards Paul LE ROUX Paarl LE ROUX x STEMMET MILNS x SANDS -----Original Message----- From: Tombi Peck [mailto:tombipeck@talktalk.net] Sent: 24 October 2012 11:09 To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts Hi Elspeth, I managed to get a copy of the 'Readers Digest Atlas of Southern Africa' ....the copy I have was published in 1984. I was very surprised (and amazed) to find that there are thousands and thousands of farm names printed on the maps. I have succeeded in finding where many of my various family farms were situated just by looking at the maps. One does need a good magnifying glass, patience and a hi-liter.....I was brought up not to deface books, but I have to confess to having marked the various farms in different colours to indicate to me which branch of the family the farm had belonged to....it's a pity there are limited hi-lite colours available. One list member managed to find a copy for about £5 in New Zealand. My copy came from South Africa (I managed to find a copy through 'The Bookfinder General' but of course these days it is so much easier to find books on the net) was considerably more expensive. The postage alone was prohibitive as it is a very large book....to save money I got it posted by land rather than by air! Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elspeth Muirhead" <eamuirhead@telkomsa.net> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts > Hi Cheri > > Mostly MULLIGAN and FITZGERALD - a SMITH connection with Post Retief - the > only farms I know of still in existence today. > > Thanks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cheri > Marshall > Sent: 24 October 2012 01:05 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts > > Hi Elspeth.. > Which family Names are you looking at... > Cheri > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Elspeth > Muirhead > Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2012 8:31 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts > > Hi listers > > > > I'm in a hopeless tangle trying to find out more or less which parts of > the > Eastern Cape my family farmed in - it's suddenly got urgent as I want to > do > a trip to the Eastern Cape soon. I wonder if someone can explain how to > trace the 1891 map of Komgha district (I have a list of the farm numbers > and owners from on 2005 thread on this list but need to see whereabouts it > is). I am not sure what the boundaries of Komgha district were - my farm > is > listed under a few below 'near Gonubie River' - for practical purposes is > this vague info all I'll get anyway, and if so where does anyone know more > or less where this would refer to? > > > > I then would like to find out about farms in the Indwe / Dordrecht area in > the 1890s. My search of KAB showed farms being transferred from Wodehouse > district and Elliot district around 1919. Indwe was very new in 1890 - but > where would farms around 1894- 1900 or so be registered? Where and how > would > I look for this information? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Elspeth > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

ID Cards and numbers were first introduced in 1955/6, and they consisted of nine digits followed by a letter, and were based on where people were living at the time of the 1950 census, so people living in the same house would have consecutive numbers. They were introduced because of the Population Registration Act of 1950, which was intended to establish everyone's racial group, so that apartheid could be applied. It was followed by the Group Areas Act, and similar laws, which reserved certain bits of land for certain groups, and the identity cards were needed to show which group they belonged to. So the letter at the end would be W for white, C for coloured, and A for Asiatic. Blacks didn't have identity cards, but at about the same time "Reference Books" were introduced, which, in addition to the information on the cards, also had information on where they worked, whether they had paid taxes, and whether they were allowed to live in a particular place. In 1970 or thereabouts, Connie Mulder introduced new Identity Books for non-blacks, which were even bigger than the reference books blacks had to carry. New, and longer, ID numbers were introduced, beginning with the date of birth (6 digits) a four digit serial number (beginning with 0 for females, and 6 for males), a two-digit racial classification, and a final control digit. These began to be issued from about 1972 onwards, and had vaccinations, driving and firearm licences, records of voting, blood group, and various other information. They proved too complicated and expensive, and the driving licences were too easily forged (they were just a stick-in slip), and eventually were replaced by much smaller ones. The last three digits were changed - they no longer indicate race group, but citizenship. Heather MacAlister Channel Manager Ancestry24 5th Floor, 11 Adderley Street Cape Town 8001 http://.ancestry24.com Skype: ancestry24 Tel: 021-4064343 Fax: 086-5810390 On 24 Oct 2012, at 19:46, "Terence Cockcroft" <terrycoc@xsinet.co.za> wrote: > Hi All, > I do not think that ID Nos were allocated to SA citizens until about the > 1960's. There cannot have been ID nos allocated when there was not even a > Centralised Record System for much of SA. > > Regards > Terry Cockcroft > terrycoc@xsinet.co.za > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2741 / Virus Database: 2616/5850 - Release Date: 10/23/12 This email and its contents are subject to an email legal notice that can be viewed at: http://www.naspers.com/email/disclaimer.html Should you be unable to access the link provided, please email us for a copy at csc@optinet.net Hierdie e-pos en sy inhoud is onderhewig aan 'n regskennisgewing oor elektroniese pos wat gelees kan word by http://www.naspers.com/epos/vrywaring.html 'n Afskrif kan aangevra word by csc@optinet.net

Dear Tombi, Elspeth and other listers, You can download the trial (free) version of the map-viewing software OziExplorer at http://www.oziexplorer3.com/eng/oziexplorer.html If the program won't run and says it needs a file - Google that file and download it to the program file. Then go to http://www.madmappers.com/countries.php?TY=R where all the SA250k and SA50k topographic maps are available free (raster maps). These are the most detailed maps, those you normally buy at the Surveyor General's office. Farms are also marked on these maps. It takes a bit of bandwidth to download, but the result is a digital set of SA maps with no equivalent. Regards Paul LE ROUX Paarl LE ROUX x STEMMET MILNS x SANDS -----Original Message----- From: Tombi Peck [mailto:tombipeck@talktalk.net] Sent: 24 October 2012 11:09 To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts Hi Elspeth, I managed to get a copy of the 'Readers Digest Atlas of Southern Africa' ....the copy I have was published in 1984. I was very surprised (and amazed) to find that there are thousands and thousands of farm names printed on the maps. I have succeeded in finding where many of my various family farms were situated just by looking at the maps. One does need a good magnifying glass, patience and a hi-liter.....I was brought up not to deface books, but I have to confess to having marked the various farms in different colours to indicate to me which branch of the family the farm had belonged to....it's a pity there are limited hi-lite colours available. One list member managed to find a copy for about £5 in New Zealand. My copy came from South Africa (I managed to find a copy through 'The Bookfinder General' but of course these days it is so much easier to find books on the net) was considerably more expensive. The postage alone was prohibitive as it is a very large book....to save money I got it posted by land rather than by air! Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elspeth Muirhead" <eamuirhead@telkomsa.net> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts > Hi Cheri > > Mostly MULLIGAN and FITZGERALD - a SMITH connection with Post Retief - the > only farms I know of still in existence today. > > Thanks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cheri > Marshall > Sent: 24 October 2012 01:05 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts > > Hi Elspeth.. > Which family Names are you looking at... > Cheri > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Elspeth > Muirhead > Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2012 8:31 AM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] Tracing farms Komgha & Dordrecht / Indwe districts > > Hi listers > > > > I'm in a hopeless tangle trying to find out more or less which parts of > the > Eastern Cape my family farmed in - it's suddenly got urgent as I want to > do > a trip to the Eastern Cape soon. I wonder if someone can explain how to > trace the 1891 map of Komgha district (I have a list of the farm numbers > and owners from on 2005 thread on this list but need to see whereabouts it > is). I am not sure what the boundaries of Komgha district were - my farm > is > listed under a few below 'near Gonubie River' - for practical purposes is > this vague info all I'll get anyway, and if so where does anyone know more > or less where this would refer to? > > > > I then would like to find out about farms in the Indwe / Dordrecht area in > the 1890s. My search of KAB showed farms being transferred from Wodehouse > district and Elliot district around 1919. Indwe was very new in 1890 - but > where would farms around 1894- 1900 or so be registered? Where and how > would > I look for this information? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Elspeth > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For more detailed farm map research ttry the National Geo Spatial Map information centre in Mowbray. see http://tinyurl.com/7r8b7d9 "Maps and Geo-spatial Information This includes the popular 1:10 000 orthophoto and 1:50 000 topographic, numerous other smaller scale, provincial and national maps. Orthorectified imagery, elevation data (including DEMS), vector topographic data as well as raster maps are available digitally. Maps and Charts (Digital/ Raster or Printed) Buy Topographic Sheets of South Africa."Only R120. 00 for the set of six DVD's." Click on the links below to view the various map products we offer: 1:10 000 Orthophoto Maps 1:50 000 Topographical Maps 1:250 000 Topo-Cadastral Maps 1:500 000 Topo-Admin and Aeronautical Maps 1:500 000 Topo-Admin Maps Aerial Photography 1:500 000 ICAO World Aeronautical Charts 1:1000 000 International Civil Aviation Organisation World Aeronautical Charts Provincial Maps Wall Maps" I've also found copies of the original Cape Survey Maps in the British Library Map Department, a very useful resource. Saul Issroff London

Hi Darryl Do you need any more info Regards Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Allwright" <darryl@allwrights.co.za> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Edwin John EDWARDS > Hi Elaine > > Thank you very much now I can add all my gggrandmother's missing brothers > > Much appreciated > > Regards > > Darryl > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rob > and > Elaine > Sent: 24 October 2012 03:03 PM > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Edwin John EDWARDS > > > Hi Darryl > > I have them in my tree > > all the best > > Elaine > > > > Edwin John Edwards > Birth 12 Jun 1864 in Winterberg,Cape Province,South Africa > Death 1 May 1870 in "Post Retief",Winterberg,Cape Province,South Africa > William Thomas Edwards > Birth 2 Oct 1865 in Winterberg,Cape Province,South Africa > Death 28 Apr 1870 > Burial > Winterberg, Fort Beaufort, Eastern Cape, South Africa > Source: Genealogyworld.net/ellen/Burials in the Winterberg > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darryl Allwright" <darryl@allwrights.co.za> > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:18 AM > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Edwin John EDWARDS > > >> Hi Norma >> >> Here is the link >> http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1638947 >> >> There is another brother William Thomas EDWARDS >> http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1638971 >> >> There are a few more EDWARDS graves on this site in Post Retief >> >> Thank you for the information if you have any details on William Thomas >> would be much appreciated >> >> Regards >> >> Darryl >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> Norma >> Patrick >> Sent: 22 October 2012 07:18 AM >> To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Edwin John EDWARDS >> >> Morning Darryl >> Yes he is son of Charles Richard and Ann Gibbens. >> Born 15th June 1865 died 1st May 1870 >> I have birth and death at Post Retief >> >> Is there a photo of the grave? Can you email to me please or give me >> the >> site so that I can look it up. >> Thanks very much >> Norma >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Darryl Allwright >> <darryl@allwrights.co.za>wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> I am going through the grave prodject and found a grave for Edwin John >>> EDWARDS d 1870 s/0 Charles and Ann EDWARDS. I would like to know is this >>> the >>> son of Charles Richard EDWARDS and Anne GIBBENS. His dates fit, but I >>> do >>> knot have him on my database. Can anyone assist please >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Darryl Allwright >>> P O Box 166 >>> Grahamstown >>> 6140 >>> Cell: 076-091-2764 >>> Tel: 046-622-8134 >>> Researching: Allwright, Bold, Edwards, Eva, Fisher, Gibbens, Hulley, >>> Marshall, Openshaw, Retief, Toerien and related families >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 7617 (20121023) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature > database 7622 (20121024) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 7623 (20121024) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7623 (20121024) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com