Hi Malcolm Where can I find more information on the 1900 marriage of N. W. Liefeldt to J. van Staden? Thanks Ian Currie On 2013/01/07 03:53 PM, Malcolm Stevens wrote: > 1872 . 29-May . Janze van Rensburg . JAJ . Jooste . HCA > 1887 . 29-Jun . Mythorpe ? . AJ . Mullerup . MM > 1887 . 18-Jul . Greeff . HJ . van Zyl . FJ > 1891 . 21-Jul . Levinson . J . Moss . R > 1892 . 05-Oct . Fischer . JH . Holloway . E > 1893 . 05-Apr . de Beer . MA . Vallentine . MP? > 1900 . 20-Mar . Smuts . M . Badger . K > 1894 . 22-Jan . Scott . H . van Zyl . ES > 1896 . 08-Jan . Fischer . S . Weston . A > 1896 . 06-Nov . Scheppel . M . Buytendag . GE > 1896 . 07-Dec . Gabriel . A . Horne . BM > 1897 . 01-Mar . van der Merwe . TR . Nieuwenhuis . AM > 1898 . 25-Jan . Moss . L . Levy . BL > 1898 . 28-Apr . Nel . AF . Opperman . SJ > 1898 . 17-Nov . Kruger . HJ . van Heerden . CAS > 1900 . 19-Apr . Liefeldt . NW . van Staden J . > 1900 . 23-Sep . Delbana . R . Moss . J > 1901 . 15-Feb . Nepgen . JB . van Jaarsveldt . AP > 1901 . 25-Mar . Bland . LG . Clark . AM > 1901 . 25-Mar . de Lange . JF . Janse van Nieuwenhuis . HA > 1901 . 22-May . du Plessis . JJH . Jordaan . JM > 1902 . 13-Mar . Wilson . WHM . Marais . HAS > 1902 . 12-Apr . Rossouw . JA . van der Merwe . SM > 1902 . 18-Apr . Maine . W . Campbell . EM > 1902 . 14-May . Greyling . BMJ . Coetzee . MJ > 1902 . 06-Jun . Rossouw . J . van Niekerk . N > 1902 . 17-Jun . Vinic . FJ . van Staaden . ACM > 1902 . 27-Aug . Ross . JG . Robertson (Robarts) . J > 1902 . 04-Nov . Webb . S . Smithdore . C > 1903 . 26-May . Moore . EJ . Kidson . EJ > 1903 . 27-Nov . Rayner . CT . Hutchons . AM > 1904 . 09-Mar . Holder . AP . Jordaan . AC > 1904 . 03-May . van Zyl . GG . van den Heever . AM > 1904 . 27-Aug . Boyce . D . Rabbie . SW > 1904 . 01-Oct . Kruger . J . Nepgen . AS > 1905 . 15-May . Jordaan . WJ . Roberts . A > 1905 . 07-Nov . Gunning . JR . de Bruin . EM > 1906 . 10-Jan . Kokot . MF . Jenkinson . SM > 1906 . 19-Sep . Kruger . HS . van der Berg . AP > 1906 . 01-Dec . Stenlake . JH . Jordaan . E > 1907 . 29-Apr . van Staden . CP . van de Venter . SME > 1907 . 10-Dec . Wagenaar . NJ . van Zyl . SJ > 1908 . 25-Aug . Katzen . H . Lewin . HH > 1908 . 14-Dec . Kemm . RL . Dutton . M > 1909 . 19-Apr . Harding . TR . Kirton . OL > 1909 . 16-Aug . Boucher . J . Coetzee . CCJ > 1910 . 28-Jun . Williams . D . Minnaar . E > 1910 . 12-Nov . Kattey . L . Minnaar . E > 1910 . 15-Nov . van Heerden . JP . Wannenburg . JEP > 1910 . 15-Dec . Venter . JA . Slabbert . AC > 1911 . 07-Jan . Breedzke . CF . Grobler . AJ > 1911 . 18-Aug . Stern . M . Aufrichtig . C > 1911 . 04-Oct . Moolman . PL . Myburgh . AM > 1911 . 09-Oct . Nepgen . HC . Smith . ML > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi, Cheri Truly a confusing lot, the Waters' - to make it more complicated, there was some intermarriage. Regarding George GRAVETT & Hannah WATERS, I have 6 children (including the stillborn): Louisa Millicent b1860 Jane b about 1865 Hannah Derenda b1870 Edwin George b1871 Mildred Harriet Best b1877 Unknown 1880 I did some further research into our Hannah WATERS and believe that she was actually from Shalbourne in (then) Berkshire and came to ZA with her parents Job and Mary on the ship Zenobia in 1850. Sources: "Aided Immigration from Britain to South Africa 1857 to 1867" - Esme Bull & 1841 census. So I have the children: Thomas b. 1833 d. 1916 Charles b. 1835 d. 1922 Ann b. 1838 d. 1883 Hannah b. 1841 d. 1880 Eli b. 1850 (died on the ship) Sarah b. 1854 d. 1929 I'm certain of three (of your 10) children of John Henry WATERS and Hannah Derenda GRAVETT: Millicent Derenda (my grandmother) - she married a MARAIS Hubert Owen "Manzi" b. 1912 d. 2005 (he was the only WATERS of this line that I met myself & I have a photograph of his grave) Beatrice - married a SCHEEPERS Then my mom says she's sure her mom also had a sister Jane who lived in Pietermaritzburg, but "they (John and Hannah) had lots of children" Thomas WATERS b. 1833 (who married Lucy GODFREY) was one of Hannah's brothers (see above). The Charles could have been his brother. My biggest mystery is John Henry WATERS - lots of information on him, except family! Thanks, Marius On 7 January 2013 18:34, Cheri Marshall <cherim@tpg.com.au> wrote: > Hi Graham and Marius > I have been away so am a bit behind the discussion on GRAVETT /WATERS > > Going back through all the old notes from Val and Becky and Tessa. I have 7 > children from the marriage to Hannah(X 7 Dec 1859...Hannah was just 18 )and > six children to the second wife Emily LISHER whom he married 31 Jul 1890. > I have a total of 13 children. I have a seventh child as a stillborn just > before the 1880 child where both mother and child die. I have no idea who > gave me this info as I have it listed as "family sources" and then forgot > to > list who actually gave me that info. (so of course it could be wrong) > His burial details state that he was 99 years and 6 days old in 1922( died > 22 oct 1922 source: East and southern cape Burial and cremation records > 2012) > So he married Hannah at age 36 and married Emily LISHER at age 67 and 79 > years old when his last child Ronald Gravett was born 7 mar 1902(source > Estelle Gravett see emails mar 2001). Wow energetic man ! > > I have no idea how the WATERs family is connected. I seem to have three > different lots ...see your email dated 11 nov...I have made no progress at > all with this family. > 1) as Hannah WATERS * 1841 and first wife of George came from Cornwall: > ame: Hannah Waters > gender: Female > baptism/christening date: 10 Jan 1843 > baptism/christening place: LADOCK,CORNWALL,ENGLAND > birth date: 14 Feb 1841 > birthplace: > death date: > name note: > race: > father's name: Thomas Waters > father's birthplace: > father's age: > mother's name: Ann(she was MUGFORD) > mother's birthplace: > mother's age: > indexing project (batch) number: P00170-2 > system origin: England-ODM > source film number: 231924 > reference number: > > 2) Then John Henry WATERS born 1869 who X your Hannah Derenda GRAVETT... > parents .unable to find parents details but I have 10 children..basically a > composition of Tessa's email and then a few other emails and lots of > questions. I think Hubert Kenneth is the younger brother to Millicent > Derenda.I am not convinced that some children don't belong to the other > lot > of GRAVETTS.(William/James /Ivy/Grant /Amy/Beatrice/ Millicent/Hubert > Kenneth/Vera/George). I have no idea if this is correct. They all need to > be > checked. > > 3)Thomas WATERS born 1833 who X Lucy GODFREY...no parents but a Jane WATERS > and a Charles WATERS present at the marriage.No other details. > > Sorry but my WATERS lines need work as I have no idea if these three people > are connected. > > Regards > Cheri > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Dickason" <gdic@global.co.za> > > > > No, no sources. There is a note that after the children finished their > > education they left. > > I presume left the farm. This is the c generation. > > The A generation is George Gravett *1823 Littlehampton, England > > , married Hannah Waters * 1841. They had 13 children, b8 being a Dorenda > > Gravett who married a John Waters. > > Hannah Derenda (Renda) is b3. > > I think most of VdK's earlier recordings are taken from graveyards in the > > general Southwell area. > > Graham > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Marius Kock" <marius.kock@gmail.com> > > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 3:12 AM > > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] HISTORY OF KENTON-ON-SEA & SETTLER FAMILIES > > > >> Hi, Graham > >> > >> I believe the children are incorrect - did Val cite any sources? > >> > >> Marius > >> > >> On 4 January 2013 21:12, Graham Dickason <gdic@global.co.za> wrote: > >> > >>> Hannah Derenda (Renda) Gravett *2.5.1870 +1954 > >>> x John Henry (Podsby) Waters *28.4.1869 + 7.10.1957, burried St. James, > >>> Southwell. > >>> Issue: William, James, Grant, Amy, Vera Ivy. No dates given > >>> Source:Kenton-on-Sea by V.J.De Kock , 4th Edition 1999. > >>> Graham > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------- > >>> From: "Marius Kock" <marius.kock@gmail.com> > >>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 2:09 AM > >>> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > >>> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] HISTORY OF KENTON-ON-SEA & SETTLER FAMILIES > >>> > >>> > Thanks, guys > >>> > > >>> > I'm researching my Waters ancestry and I'm particularly looking for > >>> > any > >>> > information on: > >>> > > >>> > John Henry Waters (b. 28 Apr 1865, d. 7 Oct 1957, buried at St James > >>> > Church > >>> > Southwell) > >>> > m. Hannah Derenda Gravett 6 Aug 1890 > >>> > I'm interested in John's parents, siblings and children with Hannah. > >>> > > >>> > John & Hannah are my mom's Grandparents, but I'm getting conflicting > >>> > accounts of their children. The only one I'm certain of, is Millicent > >>> > Derenda Waters - my mom's mother (dates unknown). Mom was very young > >>> > when > >>> > both her parents died, so not much information from her. > >>> > > >>> > Thanks, > >>> > > >>> > Marius > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you so much for these, Malcolm. It would be incredibly useful if you could include image numbers for the entries so that it is possible for researchers with limited Internet capabilities to go straight to the image they seek, rather than scrolling through the whole batch. If that's not possible, the layout below is still incredibly valuable. What I also usually do is insert the website page link for future researchers. Personally, I'm interested in 1892 . 05-Oct . Fischer . JH . Holloway . A and 1902 . 13-Mar . Wilson . WHM . Marais . HAS Kind regards, Marielle Ford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Stevens" <malcolm.stevens@upcmail.nl> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:53 PM Subject: [ZA-EC] Selected Dordrecht Marriages > 1872 . 29-May . Janze van Rensburg . JAJ . Jooste . HCA > 1887 . 29-Jun . Mythorpe ? . AJ . Mullerup . MM > 1887 . 18-Jul . Greeff . HJ . van Zyl . FJ > 1891 . 21-Jul . Levinson . J . Moss . R > 1892 . 05-Oct . Fischer . JH . Holloway . E > 1893 . 05-Apr . de Beer . MA . Vallentine . MP? > 1900 . 20-Mar . Smuts . M . Badger . K > 1894 . 22-Jan . Scott . H . van Zyl . ES > 1896 . 08-Jan . Fischer . S . Weston . A > 1896 . 06-Nov . Scheppel . M . Buytendag . GE > 1896 . 07-Dec . Gabriel . A . Horne . BM > 1897 . 01-Mar . van der Merwe . TR . Nieuwenhuis . AM > 1898 . 25-Jan . Moss . L . Levy . BL > 1898 . 28-Apr . Nel . AF . Opperman . SJ > 1898 . 17-Nov . Kruger . HJ . van Heerden . CAS > 1900 . 19-Apr . Liefeldt . NW . van Staden J . > 1900 . 23-Sep . Delbana . R . Moss . J > 1901 . 15-Feb . Nepgen . JB . van Jaarsveldt . AP > 1901 . 25-Mar . Bland . LG . Clark . AM > 1901 . 25-Mar . de Lange . JF . Janse van Nieuwenhuis . HA > 1901 . 22-May . du Plessis . JJH . Jordaan . JM > 1902 . 13-Mar . Wilson . WHM . Marais . HAS > 1902 . 12-Apr . Rossouw . JA . van der Merwe . SM > 1902 . 18-Apr . Maine . W . Campbell . EM > 1902 . 14-May . Greyling . BMJ . Coetzee . MJ > 1902 . 06-Jun . Rossouw . J . van Niekerk . N > 1902 . 17-Jun . Vinic . FJ . van Staaden . ACM > 1902 . 27-Aug . Ross . JG . Robertson (Robarts) . J > 1902 . 04-Nov . Webb . S . Smithdore . C > 1903 . 26-May . Moore . EJ . Kidson . EJ > 1903 . 27-Nov . Rayner . CT . Hutchons . AM > 1904 . 09-Mar . Holder . AP . Jordaan . AC > 1904 . 03-May . van Zyl . GG . van den Heever . AM > 1904 . 27-Aug . Boyce . D . Rabbie . SW > 1904 . 01-Oct . Kruger . J . Nepgen . AS > 1905 . 15-May . Jordaan . WJ . Roberts . A > 1905 . 07-Nov . Gunning . JR . de Bruin . EM > 1906 . 10-Jan . Kokot . MF . Jenkinson . SM > 1906 . 19-Sep . Kruger . HS . van der Berg . AP > 1906 . 01-Dec . Stenlake . JH . Jordaan . E > 1907 . 29-Apr . van Staden . CP . van de Venter . SME > 1907 . 10-Dec . Wagenaar . NJ . van Zyl . SJ > 1908 . 25-Aug . Katzen . H . Lewin . HH > 1908 . 14-Dec . Kemm . RL . Dutton . M > 1909 . 19-Apr . Harding . TR . Kirton . OL > 1909 . 16-Aug . Boucher . J . Coetzee . CCJ > 1910 . 28-Jun . Williams . D . Minnaar . E > 1910 . 12-Nov . Kattey . L . Minnaar . E > 1910 . 15-Nov . van Heerden . JP . Wannenburg . JEP > 1910 . 15-Dec . Venter . JA . Slabbert . AC > 1911 . 07-Jan . Breedzke . CF . Grobler . AJ > 1911 . 18-Aug . Stern . M . Aufrichtig . C > 1911 . 04-Oct . Moolman . PL . Myburgh . AM > 1911 . 09-Oct . Nepgen . HC . Smith . ML

INDEX TO CAPE PROVINCE DEATH CERTIFICATES for ALBERT, 1895 on www.familysearch.org TO VIEW DOCUMENTS: 1. Under browse by location, click on Africa 2. Click on South Africa, Cape Province, Civil Deaths, 1895-1972 3. Click on Browse through 2,216,270 images 4. Click on 1895 5. Click on Albert 6. Enter desired image # in Image # box Information is in this order: Image #; Name 1; Unnamed male infant of J. O. KOTZE 6; Willem Jacobus SNYMAN 10; Sarah Pearce BATTESON (nee PINNOCK) 16; Maria Magretta BOTHA 17; Anna Jacoba BOTHA 21; William John AINSCOUGH 22; Oliver Francis LANSDELL 25; Elizabeth MUHSFELDT 26; Loveday Maria BARNES 27; Manasset WOOLF 30; Cecilia Johanna VAN WYK 33; Frederick KRUGER 34; Philippus Christoffel KRUGER 35; Maria Johanna KRUGER 36; Doortje Illegible C. NEL 41, 42; Minna Jacoba DE VRENT 43; Cyril VICE 45; Edith Christina MAIN 46; Katherine Florence MILES 48; Pieter VAN HEERDEN 51; Margaret VON KLEIST 55; Aletta Maria KRUGER 57; Carel Jacobus ROELOFSE 65; Hester Annie Catharina COETSEE 66; William James BISHOP 67; Maria Marthalina BISHOP 68; Jacobus Stefanus KRUGER 69; Unknown HENDERSON 74; Johannes Hendrik Daniel Jacobus KLAASEN 77; Hendrik Stefanus OLIVIER 78; David Stefanus KRUGER 79; Johannes Petrus FOURIE 80; Louw? Gertbrant VENTER 81; Alfred Charles BUTTON 85; Aletta Maria Elizabeth KRUGER 86; Susanah DE VRIEND 87; Alice DE VRIEND 88; Willem Hendrik SWANEPOEL 90; Pieter Christiaan COETZEE 91; Richard Horatio SHILLABEER 94; Christina Susanna DU PLESSIS 95; Aletta Catherina SMIT 101; Anna Caterina BOTHA 109; Katie RICE 110; Mary Jane DE VRIEND 115; Nicolaas Everhardus SAUER 120; Hester Johanna Maria FOUCHE 123; Mary PIERS 124; Violet Lindsay PARKINGTON 125; Emmerentia Frederica DE WET (nee HORN) 127; Hester Petronella KRUGER 128; Maria Magdalena Johanna BUTTON 130; Martin COETZEE 131; Susanna Maria DU PLESSIS 139; Johanna Jacoba ELOFF 141; Erasmus Jacobus SMIT 143; Kate Ellen MARAIS 154; Alida Johanna Elizabeth NEL 157; Jan Viljoen COETSEE 158; Oswald George MANLEY 159; Johanna Jacoba AUCAMP 163; Hendrick B. VAN DER WALT 165; Casper John Hendrik PELSER 170; Hendrik Johannes VORSTER 174; Adolf JORDAAN 176; Dirk Jacobus VAN PLETZEN 179; Maude Alicia LLOYD 180; Unnamed male infant of P. AUCAMP 181; Anna Maria GREYVENSTEYN 182; George Arthur SHAW 187; Unnamed male infant of C. A. VENTER 189, 190; Anna Maria PRETORIUS 191; Elizabeth Jacoba DE KLERK 193; Gert Dirke Petrus GREYVENSTYN 194; Unnamed female infant of du Plessis HATTINGH 196; Nicolas Stefanus VAN HEERDEN 198; Hester Johanna AUCAMP 200; Martha ALBERTSE 201; George Edward PATERSON 209; Unnamed female infant of J. P. RABE 212; Jan Harom LABUSCHAGNE 214; Nicholas Johannes BOTHA 217; Christina Maria VAN DER WALT 218; Johannes Hendrik BUYS 222; Georgina SMITH? 232, 233; Johanna Cathrina KRUGER 235; Hendrik Stefanus SMIT 240; James John Andrew Bodden HUTCHISON 241; Johannes Jacobus VAN DER VLIES 245; Isabella Katrina GREYVENSTEYN 248; Maria Susana LATEGAAN 249; Unnamed female infant of Gert P. N. COETZEE 252; Magdalena COETZEE 254; Anna Katrina Maria COETZEE (nee KRUGER) 256; Johanna M. E. JANSEN 261; Catrina Maria SLEBUSCH 262; Hendrina BUYS 264; Petrus Johannes GROBLER 265; Petrus Johannes Jakobus VAN DER WALT 267; Susanna Lydia? Francina LESSING 268; Frederick Stephanus Petrus SCHOEMAN 271; M. Susanna JANSEN 273; Daniel Petrus VAN DEN HEEVER 274; Elsie Maria PRETORIUS 276; Johannes Christian LESSING 278; Sarel Johannes COETSEE 279; Margrita Gertruida VAN WYK 280; Maria Jacoba KRUGER 291; Henrietta Elizabeth FITZGERALD 292; William Archibald SAWYER 294; Unnamed male infant of C. J. H. VAN NIEKERK 296; Jean Carel HENKES 298; Nicolaas Jacobus SAUER 302, 303; Thomas DEVEREUX (DEVERICKS?) 308; Unnamed male infant of D. K. KANNEMEYER 309; Sophia GREYVENSTEIN 310; Margareta Saletta VENTER 311; Anna P. PRINSLOO 314; George F. ASHLIN Transcribed by Ellen Stanton Email: harprulz@bellsouth.net

Hi Graham and Marius I have been away so am a bit behind the discussion on GRAVETT /WATERS Going back through all the old notes from Val and Becky and Tessa. I have 7 children from the marriage to Hannah(X 7 Dec 1859...Hannah was just 18 )and six children to the second wife Emily LISHER whom he married 31 Jul 1890. I have a total of 13 children. I have a seventh child as a stillborn just before the 1880 child where both mother and child die. I have no idea who gave me this info as I have it listed as "family sources" and then forgot to list who actually gave me that info. (so of course it could be wrong) His burial details state that he was 99 years and 6 days old in 1922( died 22 oct 1922 source: East and southern cape Burial and cremation records 2012) So he married Hannah at age 36 and married Emily LISHER at age 67 and 79 years old when his last child Ronald Gravett was born 7 mar 1902(source Estelle Gravett see emails mar 2001). Wow energetic man ! I have no idea how the WATERs family is connected. I seem to have three different lots ...see your email dated 11 nov...I have made no progress at all with this family. 1) as Hannah WATERS * 1841 and first wife of George came from Cornwall: ame: Hannah Waters gender: Female baptism/christening date: 10 Jan 1843 baptism/christening place: LADOCK,CORNWALL,ENGLAND birth date: 14 Feb 1841 birthplace: death date: name note: race: father's name: Thomas Waters father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Ann(she was MUGFORD) mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: P00170-2 system origin: England-ODM source film number: 231924 reference number: 2) Then John Henry WATERS born 1869 who X your Hannah Derenda GRAVETT... parents .unable to find parents details but I have 10 children..basically a composition of Tessa's email and then a few other emails and lots of questions. I think Hubert Kenneth is the younger brother to Millicent Derenda.I am not convinced that some children don't belong to the other lot of GRAVETTS.(William/James /Ivy/Grant /Amy/Beatrice/ Millicent/Hubert Kenneth/Vera/George). I have no idea if this is correct. They all need to be checked. 3)Thomas WATERS born 1833 who X Lucy GODFREY...no parents but a Jane WATERS and a Charles WATERS present at the marriage.No other details. Sorry but my WATERS lines need work as I have no idea if these three people are connected. Regards Cheri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Dickason" <gdic@global.co.za> > No, no sources. There is a note that after the children finished their > education they left. > I presume left the farm. This is the c generation. > The A generation is George Gravett *1823 Littlehampton, England > , married Hannah Waters * 1841. They had 13 children, b8 being a Dorenda > Gravett who married a John Waters. > Hannah Derenda (Renda) is b3. > I think most of VdK's earlier recordings are taken from graveyards in the > general Southwell area. > Graham > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Marius Kock" <marius.kock@gmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 3:12 AM > To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] HISTORY OF KENTON-ON-SEA & SETTLER FAMILIES > >> Hi, Graham >> >> I believe the children are incorrect - did Val cite any sources? >> >> Marius >> >> On 4 January 2013 21:12, Graham Dickason <gdic@global.co.za> wrote: >> >>> Hannah Derenda (Renda) Gravett *2.5.1870 +1954 >>> x John Henry (Podsby) Waters *28.4.1869 + 7.10.1957, burried St. James, >>> Southwell. >>> Issue: William, James, Grant, Amy, Vera Ivy. No dates given >>> Source:Kenton-on-Sea by V.J.De Kock , 4th Edition 1999. >>> Graham >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Marius Kock" <marius.kock@gmail.com> >>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 2:09 AM >>> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] HISTORY OF KENTON-ON-SEA & SETTLER FAMILIES >>> >>> > Thanks, guys >>> > >>> > I'm researching my Waters ancestry and I'm particularly looking for >>> > any >>> > information on: >>> > >>> > John Henry Waters (b. 28 Apr 1865, d. 7 Oct 1957, buried at St James >>> > Church >>> > Southwell) >>> > m. Hannah Derenda Gravett 6 Aug 1890 >>> > I'm interested in John's parents, siblings and children with Hannah. >>> > >>> > John & Hannah are my mom's Grandparents, but I'm getting conflicting >>> > accounts of their children. The only one I'm certain of, is Millicent >>> > Derenda Waters - my mom's mother (dates unknown). Mom was very young >>> > when >>> > both her parents died, so not much information from her. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > >>> > Marius

>From FamilySearch: South Africa, Cape Province Civil Deaths, 1895-1972 Omitted from earlier lists for 1895, 1896 and 1897: Surname: Christian Name/s; Year; Town/District; Image No. ACTON; Francis Edward; 1895; Tsomo; 1 AUGIES(?); William Forbes; 1897; Mount Currie; 124 AYDON; Alfred Robert; 1897; Herschel; 19 BATE formerly BARNES; Ellen E.P; 1895; Mount Currie; 5 BERRY; Charles Joseph; 1897; Herschel; 5 BOWINS; George Arthur; 1897; Mount Currie; 84 COETSER; Stephanus Petrus Johannes; 1897; Matatiele; 6 COLE; Frances Mary; 1895; Mount Currie; 2 COULTER; Edmund Ernest Augustine; 1895; Mount Currie; 25 DE BRUYN; Joseph Benjamin; 1897; Mount Fletcher; 4 DE BRUYN; Piet Petrus; 1897; Mount Fletcher; 3 ELS; Frederick Christian; 1897; Mount Currie; 37 ERICSSON; Sven; 1895; Mount Currie; 83 FISCHER; William; 1895; Tsomo; 3 FOWLER; Winifred Florence; 1897; Herschel; 3 GEYER(?); Anna Susanna; 1897; Matatiele; 4 GIBB; William Mathieson; 1896; Mount Currie; 64 GOOSEN; Martha Johanna; 1897; Matatiele; 3 HALL; William Henry; 1897; Tsolo; 1 HARFORD; Eleanor; 1895; Mount Currie; 63 HAYMAN; Eufax(?) Speed; 1896; Mount Currie; 17 HUDSON born HOLMES; Annie; 1897; Tsolo; 9 JACKSON; Martha; 1896; Mount Currie; 37 JENKINSON; Matilda Mary; 1896; Herschel; 2 JENKINSON; William Bothwell; 1895; Herschel; 1 JOHNSTON; Doby; 1897; Mount Currie; 89 KEAYS; Emma Violet; 1895; Mount Currie; 58 LOUWRENS; baby of Petrus Arnoldus; 1895; Mount Currie; 9 MAARTENS; Andries Hendrick; 1895; Mount Currie; 23 MCGLYN; Patrick Joseph; 1897; Mount Currie; 110 MCGREGOR; no Christian name; 1897; Mount Currie; 74 MCKAY; Donald; 1895; Mount Currie; 10 MOWER; Henrietta; 1895; Mount Currie; 30 MYBERG; Nicholas Jacobus; 1895; Inatatuli; 3 NICHOLSON; Alfred James; 1895; Mount Currie; 37 PARKER; baby of W.J; 1895; Inatatuli; 4 PRINGLE; James Scott; 1897; Mount Currie; 104 PRINSLOO; Gustavus; 1897; Matatiele; 1 RAWLINS; Butterworth Bouwer; 1895; Mount Currie; 29 REDGUARD; Peter; 1897; Tsomo; 3 REED; Millicent jane; 1896; Mount Currie; 13 RIEGER; Auguste; 1896; Herschel; 1 ROBINSON; baby of A.E; 1896; Mount Currie; 5 ROBINSON; son of Alfred Edmond; 1896, Mount Currie; 68 SCOTT; Raymond Noel; 1895; Mount Currie; 31 SPALDING; Alexander James; 1897; Tsolo; 14 STILES; Ernest; 1897; Mount Currie; 67 THOMPSON; Mary Anne; 1895; Mount Currie; 44 THOMPSON; Sarah; 1895; Mount Currie; 19 TRIEGAARDT; Laurens Johannes; 1895; Inatatuli 1895; 2 TURTON; Edwin; 1896; Mount Currie; 6 VAN BUUREN; son of Cornelius; 1895; Mount Fletcher; 1 VAN DER BROEK/CK; Magdalena; 1895; Mount Currie; 59 VAN DER MERWE; David Frederick; 1897; Matatiele; 5 WAKEFORD; Samuel Claridge; 1895; Tsomo; 2 WEDDERBURN; Leonora Hannah; 1897; Mount Currie WEPENER; Carolus; 1895; Inatatuli; 1 WOLSEY; Frederick William George; 1895; Mount Currie 20 WOODS; James; 1896; Mount Currie; 28

1872 . 29-May . Janze van Rensburg . JAJ . Jooste . HCA 1887 . 29-Jun . Mythorpe ? . AJ . Mullerup . MM 1887 . 18-Jul . Greeff . HJ . van Zyl . FJ 1891 . 21-Jul . Levinson . J . Moss . R 1892 . 05-Oct . Fischer . JH . Holloway . E 1893 . 05-Apr . de Beer . MA . Vallentine . MP? 1900 . 20-Mar . Smuts . M . Badger . K 1894 . 22-Jan . Scott . H . van Zyl . ES 1896 . 08-Jan . Fischer . S . Weston . A 1896 . 06-Nov . Scheppel . M . Buytendag . GE 1896 . 07-Dec . Gabriel . A . Horne . BM 1897 . 01-Mar . van der Merwe . TR . Nieuwenhuis . AM 1898 . 25-Jan . Moss . L . Levy . BL 1898 . 28-Apr . Nel . AF . Opperman . SJ 1898 . 17-Nov . Kruger . HJ . van Heerden . CAS 1900 . 19-Apr . Liefeldt . NW . van Staden J . 1900 . 23-Sep . Delbana . R . Moss . J 1901 . 15-Feb . Nepgen . JB . van Jaarsveldt . AP 1901 . 25-Mar . Bland . LG . Clark . AM 1901 . 25-Mar . de Lange . JF . Janse van Nieuwenhuis . HA 1901 . 22-May . du Plessis . JJH . Jordaan . JM 1902 . 13-Mar . Wilson . WHM . Marais . HAS 1902 . 12-Apr . Rossouw . JA . van der Merwe . SM 1902 . 18-Apr . Maine . W . Campbell . EM 1902 . 14-May . Greyling . BMJ . Coetzee . MJ 1902 . 06-Jun . Rossouw . J . van Niekerk . N 1902 . 17-Jun . Vinic . FJ . van Staaden . ACM 1902 . 27-Aug . Ross . JG . Robertson (Robarts) . J 1902 . 04-Nov . Webb . S . Smithdore . C 1903 . 26-May . Moore . EJ . Kidson . EJ 1903 . 27-Nov . Rayner . CT . Hutchons . AM 1904 . 09-Mar . Holder . AP . Jordaan . AC 1904 . 03-May . van Zyl . GG . van den Heever . AM 1904 . 27-Aug . Boyce . D . Rabbie . SW 1904 . 01-Oct . Kruger . J . Nepgen . AS 1905 . 15-May . Jordaan . WJ . Roberts . A 1905 . 07-Nov . Gunning . JR . de Bruin . EM 1906 . 10-Jan . Kokot . MF . Jenkinson . SM 1906 . 19-Sep . Kruger . HS . van der Berg . AP 1906 . 01-Dec . Stenlake . JH . Jordaan . E 1907 . 29-Apr . van Staden . CP . van de Venter . SME 1907 . 10-Dec . Wagenaar . NJ . van Zyl . SJ 1908 . 25-Aug . Katzen . H . Lewin . HH 1908 . 14-Dec . Kemm . RL . Dutton . M 1909 . 19-Apr . Harding . TR . Kirton . OL 1909 . 16-Aug . Boucher . J . Coetzee . CCJ 1910 . 28-Jun . Williams . D . Minnaar . E 1910 . 12-Nov . Kattey . L . Minnaar . E 1910 . 15-Nov . van Heerden . JP . Wannenburg . JEP 1910 . 15-Dec . Venter . JA . Slabbert . AC 1911 . 07-Jan . Breedzke . CF . Grobler . AJ 1911 . 18-Aug . Stern . M . Aufrichtig . C 1911 . 04-Oct . Moolman . PL . Myburgh . AM 1911 . 09-Oct . Nepgen . HC . Smith . ML

I e-mailed SITA, and got this reply today.   "Good day John May you kindly forward me the following details so that I can create you on the system and then will be able to log your calls. -          Full name and surname -          Department name, Region  and physical address -          Building name, office telephone number, cell phone -          Email address Regards,"   It looks like the system remains down, while they do the paperwork. John >________________________________ >From: sybil banisterjones <sybilbj@gmail.com> >To: SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE <SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, 4 January 2013, 13:55 >Subject: [ZA-EC] Fwd: NAAIRS SERVICE DOWN > >Good afternoon. >As suggested, I did send an email to Sita and this the reply I received >Regards >Sybil > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: SitaSC <sitasc@sita.co.za> >Date: Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 3:47 PM >Subject: Re: NAAIRS SERVICE DOWN >To: sybilbj@gmail.com > > >Dear valued customer > >Thank you for logging your incident with SitaSC.  Your incident will be >registered automatically on ITSM7 and you will receive your reference >number via return email. > >Please note that logging of incidents via email is NOT a batch incident >logging facility.  Due to the automated process each incident must be >logged on a separate email as only the first incident per email will be >logged. > >To assure the correct logging of, and timely attending to your incident the >following information is crucial: >Name; Surname; Department (or Company); Contact numbers; Building; Desk >location; and Detail description of incident/request. > >Use the following address to follow up on the status of your email logged >incident: escalations@sita.co.za. > >Please do not reply to SitaSC e-mail address as this will result in a >duplicate incident being logged. > >Thank you >SITA: IT Service Centre > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Mary, Please post your transcripts to the EC and SA lists too. Many thanks, Marielle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harper" <harperwight@talktalk.net> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 9:15 AM Subject: [ZA-EC] Advice please > Hello all, > > Please, I need guidance from those on the EC list who have been > transcribing > certificates from SA CP Civil Deaths on FamilySearch. While I've been > trawling through to find my own family members, I have been attempting to > transcribe the deaths in the old Transkei. I have now done 1895 to 1910, > with a couple of towns still to do catch-up on, which I now realise were > originally part of that territory. > > As I have seen some 1911 transcriptions for Transkei towns on the EC list, > I > am wondering where to go next. I would like to continue doing this, but > it > would be pointless if the experienced transcribers already have Transkei > towns in the pipeline, and I certainly don't want to tread on any toes. I > am happy to be told where to start next - or to give up and go away? > > Best wishes to everyone out there for 2013, > > Mary

Thanks Sybil I'd be happy to transcribe Kokstad, but so far, up to 1910 it hasn't featured in the Eastern Cape Civil Deaths, nor has Cedarville, so I think they must have been part of Natal. Looking at the map, above Kokstad and Harding is an extra bit of Transkei on the Umzimkulu River. And on the Lesotho side there is another extra bit where Herschel is situated. I also see that Maclear and Matatiele are in EC, just outside the Transkei border, but as I've started on them, I'll continue. Good luck with your searches, Mary -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sybil banisterjones Sent: 06 January 2013 18:45 To: SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Advice please Hi Mary, Forgot to mention Cedarville, also a very tiny little town but close to Kokstad, before Matatiele. Regards Sybil On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:43 PM, sybil banisterjones <sybilbj@gmail.com>wrote: > Hullo Mary, When I lived in Kokstad 1946-1958, it was considered part of > Transkei, but mostly known as East Griqualand. There have always been > hassles as to whether Kokstad was part of the Eastern Cape or Natal. > Another name was Franklin, which was a very tiny little place, hardly more > than an hotel and a railway station, but a great farmilng area. I dont > recognise Herschel. > Regards > Sybil > > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Harper <harperwight@talktalk.net> wrote: > >> Hi Sybil >> Lovely town Kokstad - our favourite stop en route to the Wild Coast >> I've noticed that some of the Mount Currie names were residents of >> Kokstad, >> which confuses me a bit. I didn't at first think that Mount Currie was >> part >> of the Transkei, but I learnt just recently that at it was. I think >> Kokstad >> was out of it, though there was a separate bit above Kokstad which was >> part >> of Transkei. There was also a separate bit in the West and I'm thinking I >> should be adding Herschel to my list. Perhaps some fundi could enlighten >> me >> as to which towns and districts actually were in the Transkei? >> Regards, Mary >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> sybil >> banisterjones >> Sent: 06 January 2013 16:19 >> To: SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE >> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Advice please >> >> Hi Mary >> >> Would Mount Currie be covering Kokstad? I would be interested to see any >> info on Kokstad as I grew up there. >> >> Thanks, Regards, Sybil >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Harper <harperwight@talktalk.net> wrote: >> >> > Hello again to Malcolm and others and thanks for your positive response. >> > As my main interest is in the Transkei, may I suggest that I continue >> from >> > 1912 with the towns/districts I've been doing up to now. >> > These are: Bizana, Butterworth, Elliot, Elliotdale, Engcobo, Flagstaff, >> > Idutywa, Kentani, Libode, Lusikisiki, Maclear, Matatiele, Mount Ayliff, >> > Mount Currie, Mount Fletcher, Mount Frere, Mqanduli, Ngqeleni, Nqamakwe, >> > Port St Johns, Qumbu, St Marks, Tabankulu, Tsolo, Tsomo, Umtata, >> Umzimkulu, >> > Willowvale and Xalanga. >> > If these are already on somebody else's to-do list, please let me know? >> > Thanks, Mary >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com >> > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> > Malcolm >> > Stevens >> > Sent: 06 January 2013 09:06 >> > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Advice please >> > >> > Hi Mary >> > >> > That is wonderful to hear! Please do not give in and go away - the list >> > and genealogy in general needs more people like you to help transcribe >> > such useful information. >> > >> > I don't think there is any coordination happening, although Ellen and I >> > are trying not not duplicate each other's work. For large sets of >> > records which take days to transcribe I have started letting Ellen know >> > but for the shorter lists both Ellen and I tend to publish pretty soon >> > after transcribing. Funnily enough, I downloaded a number of years of >> > Transkei images ready for transcribing so perhaps this is a good example >> > of where we should coordinate a little better? >> > >> > I for one am busy with KWT 1897, St Marks and Ngcobo (Engcobo) 1895 to >> > around 1900. >> > >> > Regards >> > Malcolm >> > >> > On 2013/01/06 08:15 AM, Harper wrote: >> > > Hello all, >> > > >> > > Please, I need guidance from those on the EC list who have been >> > transcribing >> > > certificates from SA CP Civil Deaths on FamilySearch. While I've been >> > > trawling through to find my own family members, I have been attempting >> to >> > > transcribe the deaths in the old Transkei. I have now done 1895 to >> 1910, >> > > with a couple of towns still to do catch-up on, which I now realise >> were >> > > originally part of that territory. >> > > >> > > As I have seen some 1911 transcriptions for Transkei towns on the EC >> > list, >> > I >> > > am wondering where to go next. I would like to continue doing this, >> but >> > it >> > > would be pointless if the experienced transcribers already have >> Transkei >> > > towns in the pipeline, and I certainly don't want to tread on any >> toes. >> > I >> > > am happy to be told where to start next - or to give up and go away? >> > > >> > > Best wishes to everyone out there for 2013, >> > > >> > > Mary >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mary, Forgot to mention Cedarville, also a very tiny little town but close to Kokstad, before Matatiele. Regards Sybil On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:43 PM, sybil banisterjones <sybilbj@gmail.com>wrote: > Hullo Mary, When I lived in Kokstad 1946-1958, it was considered part of > Transkei, but mostly known as East Griqualand. There have always been > hassles as to whether Kokstad was part of the Eastern Cape or Natal. > Another name was Franklin, which was a very tiny little place, hardly more > than an hotel and a railway station, but a great farmilng area. I dont > recognise Herschel. > Regards > Sybil > > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Harper <harperwight@talktalk.net> wrote: > >> Hi Sybil >> Lovely town Kokstad - our favourite stop en route to the Wild Coast >> I've noticed that some of the Mount Currie names were residents of >> Kokstad, >> which confuses me a bit. I didn't at first think that Mount Currie was >> part >> of the Transkei, but I learnt just recently that at it was. I think >> Kokstad >> was out of it, though there was a separate bit above Kokstad which was >> part >> of Transkei. There was also a separate bit in the West and I'm thinking I >> should be adding Herschel to my list. Perhaps some fundi could enlighten >> me >> as to which towns and districts actually were in the Transkei? >> Regards, Mary >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> sybil >> banisterjones >> Sent: 06 January 2013 16:19 >> To: SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE >> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Advice please >> >> Hi Mary >> >> Would Mount Currie be covering Kokstad? I would be interested to see any >> info on Kokstad as I grew up there. >> >> Thanks, Regards, Sybil >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Harper <harperwight@talktalk.net> wrote: >> >> > Hello again to Malcolm and others and thanks for your positive response. >> > As my main interest is in the Transkei, may I suggest that I continue >> from >> > 1912 with the towns/districts I've been doing up to now. >> > These are: Bizana, Butterworth, Elliot, Elliotdale, Engcobo, Flagstaff, >> > Idutywa, Kentani, Libode, Lusikisiki, Maclear, Matatiele, Mount Ayliff, >> > Mount Currie, Mount Fletcher, Mount Frere, Mqanduli, Ngqeleni, Nqamakwe, >> > Port St Johns, Qumbu, St Marks, Tabankulu, Tsolo, Tsomo, Umtata, >> Umzimkulu, >> > Willowvale and Xalanga. >> > If these are already on somebody else's to-do list, please let me know? >> > Thanks, Mary >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com >> > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> > Malcolm >> > Stevens >> > Sent: 06 January 2013 09:06 >> > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Advice please >> > >> > Hi Mary >> > >> > That is wonderful to hear! Please do not give in and go away - the list >> > and genealogy in general needs more people like you to help transcribe >> > such useful information. >> > >> > I don't think there is any coordination happening, although Ellen and I >> > are trying not not duplicate each other's work. For large sets of >> > records which take days to transcribe I have started letting Ellen know >> > but for the shorter lists both Ellen and I tend to publish pretty soon >> > after transcribing. Funnily enough, I downloaded a number of years of >> > Transkei images ready for transcribing so perhaps this is a good example >> > of where we should coordinate a little better? >> > >> > I for one am busy with KWT 1897, St Marks and Ngcobo (Engcobo) 1895 to >> > around 1900. >> > >> > Regards >> > Malcolm >> > >> > On 2013/01/06 08:15 AM, Harper wrote: >> > > Hello all, >> > > >> > > Please, I need guidance from those on the EC list who have been >> > transcribing >> > > certificates from SA CP Civil Deaths on FamilySearch. While I've been >> > > trawling through to find my own family members, I have been attempting >> to >> > > transcribe the deaths in the old Transkei. I have now done 1895 to >> 1910, >> > > with a couple of towns still to do catch-up on, which I now realise >> were >> > > originally part of that territory. >> > > >> > > As I have seen some 1911 transcriptions for Transkei towns on the EC >> > list, >> > I >> > > am wondering where to go next. I would like to continue doing this, >> but >> > it >> > > would be pointless if the experienced transcribers already have >> Transkei >> > > towns in the pipeline, and I certainly don't want to tread on any >> toes. >> > I >> > > am happy to be told where to start next - or to give up and go away? >> > > >> > > Best wishes to everyone out there for 2013, >> > > >> > > Mary >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Hullo Mary, When I lived in Kokstad 1946-1958, it was considered part of Transkei, but mostly known as East Griqualand. There have always been hassles as to whether Kokstad was part of the Eastern Cape or Natal. Another name was Franklin, which was a very tiny little place, hardly more than an hotel and a railway station, but a great farmilng area. I dont recognise Herschel. Regards Sybil On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Harper <harperwight@talktalk.net> wrote: > Hi Sybil > Lovely town Kokstad - our favourite stop en route to the Wild Coast > I've noticed that some of the Mount Currie names were residents of Kokstad, > which confuses me a bit. I didn't at first think that Mount Currie was part > of the Transkei, but I learnt just recently that at it was. I think Kokstad > was out of it, though there was a separate bit above Kokstad which was part > of Transkei. There was also a separate bit in the West and I'm thinking I > should be adding Herschel to my list. Perhaps some fundi could enlighten > me > as to which towns and districts actually were in the Transkei? > Regards, Mary > > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sybil > banisterjones > Sent: 06 January 2013 16:19 > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Advice please > > Hi Mary > > Would Mount Currie be covering Kokstad? I would be interested to see any > info on Kokstad as I grew up there. > > Thanks, Regards, Sybil > > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Harper <harperwight@talktalk.net> wrote: > > > Hello again to Malcolm and others and thanks for your positive response. > > As my main interest is in the Transkei, may I suggest that I continue > from > > 1912 with the towns/districts I've been doing up to now. > > These are: Bizana, Butterworth, Elliot, Elliotdale, Engcobo, Flagstaff, > > Idutywa, Kentani, Libode, Lusikisiki, Maclear, Matatiele, Mount Ayliff, > > Mount Currie, Mount Fletcher, Mount Frere, Mqanduli, Ngqeleni, Nqamakwe, > > Port St Johns, Qumbu, St Marks, Tabankulu, Tsolo, Tsomo, Umtata, > Umzimkulu, > > Willowvale and Xalanga. > > If these are already on somebody else's to-do list, please let me know? > > Thanks, Mary > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > > Malcolm > > Stevens > > Sent: 06 January 2013 09:06 > > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Advice please > > > > Hi Mary > > > > That is wonderful to hear! Please do not give in and go away - the list > > and genealogy in general needs more people like you to help transcribe > > such useful information. > > > > I don't think there is any coordination happening, although Ellen and I > > are trying not not duplicate each other's work. For large sets of > > records which take days to transcribe I have started letting Ellen know > > but for the shorter lists both Ellen and I tend to publish pretty soon > > after transcribing. Funnily enough, I downloaded a number of years of > > Transkei images ready for transcribing so perhaps this is a good example > > of where we should coordinate a little better? > > > > I for one am busy with KWT 1897, St Marks and Ngcobo (Engcobo) 1895 to > > around 1900. > > > > Regards > > Malcolm > > > > On 2013/01/06 08:15 AM, Harper wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > > > Please, I need guidance from those on the EC list who have been > > transcribing > > > certificates from SA CP Civil Deaths on FamilySearch. While I've been > > > trawling through to find my own family members, I have been attempting > to > > > transcribe the deaths in the old Transkei. I have now done 1895 to > 1910, > > > with a couple of towns still to do catch-up on, which I now realise > were > > > originally part of that territory. > > > > > > As I have seen some 1911 transcriptions for Transkei towns on the EC > > list, > > I > > > am wondering where to go next. I would like to continue doing this, > but > > it > > > would be pointless if the experienced transcribers already have > Transkei > > > towns in the pipeline, and I certainly don't want to tread on any toes. > > I > > > am happy to be told where to start next - or to give up and go away? > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone out there for 2013, > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Mary Would Mount Currie be covering Kokstad? I would be interested to see any info on Kokstad as I grew up there. Thanks, Regards, Sybil On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Harper <harperwight@talktalk.net> wrote: > Hello again to Malcolm and others and thanks for your positive response. > As my main interest is in the Transkei, may I suggest that I continue from > 1912 with the towns/districts I've been doing up to now. > These are: Bizana, Butterworth, Elliot, Elliotdale, Engcobo, Flagstaff, > Idutywa, Kentani, Libode, Lusikisiki, Maclear, Matatiele, Mount Ayliff, > Mount Currie, Mount Fletcher, Mount Frere, Mqanduli, Ngqeleni, Nqamakwe, > Port St Johns, Qumbu, St Marks, Tabankulu, Tsolo, Tsomo, Umtata, Umzimkulu, > Willowvale and Xalanga. > If these are already on somebody else's to-do list, please let me know? > Thanks, Mary > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Malcolm > Stevens > Sent: 06 January 2013 09:06 > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Advice please > > Hi Mary > > That is wonderful to hear! Please do not give in and go away - the list > and genealogy in general needs more people like you to help transcribe > such useful information. > > I don't think there is any coordination happening, although Ellen and I > are trying not not duplicate each other's work. For large sets of > records which take days to transcribe I have started letting Ellen know > but for the shorter lists both Ellen and I tend to publish pretty soon > after transcribing. Funnily enough, I downloaded a number of years of > Transkei images ready for transcribing so perhaps this is a good example > of where we should coordinate a little better? > > I for one am busy with KWT 1897, St Marks and Ngcobo (Engcobo) 1895 to > around 1900. > > Regards > Malcolm > > On 2013/01/06 08:15 AM, Harper wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > Please, I need guidance from those on the EC list who have been > transcribing > > certificates from SA CP Civil Deaths on FamilySearch. While I've been > > trawling through to find my own family members, I have been attempting to > > transcribe the deaths in the old Transkei. I have now done 1895 to 1910, > > with a couple of towns still to do catch-up on, which I now realise were > > originally part of that territory. > > > > As I have seen some 1911 transcriptions for Transkei towns on the EC > list, > I > > am wondering where to go next. I would like to continue doing this, but > it > > would be pointless if the experienced transcribers already have Transkei > > towns in the pipeline, and I certainly don't want to tread on any toes. > I > > am happy to be told where to start next - or to give up and go away? > > > > Best wishes to everyone out there for 2013, > > > > Mary > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Sybil Lovely town Kokstad - our favourite stop en route to the Wild Coast I've noticed that some of the Mount Currie names were residents of Kokstad, which confuses me a bit. I didn't at first think that Mount Currie was part of the Transkei, but I learnt just recently that at it was. I think Kokstad was out of it, though there was a separate bit above Kokstad which was part of Transkei. There was also a separate bit in the West and I'm thinking I should be adding Herschel to my list. Perhaps some fundi could enlighten me as to which towns and districts actually were in the Transkei? Regards, Mary -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sybil banisterjones Sent: 06 January 2013 16:19 To: SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Advice please Hi Mary Would Mount Currie be covering Kokstad? I would be interested to see any info on Kokstad as I grew up there. Thanks, Regards, Sybil On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Harper <harperwight@talktalk.net> wrote: > Hello again to Malcolm and others and thanks for your positive response. > As my main interest is in the Transkei, may I suggest that I continue from > 1912 with the towns/districts I've been doing up to now. > These are: Bizana, Butterworth, Elliot, Elliotdale, Engcobo, Flagstaff, > Idutywa, Kentani, Libode, Lusikisiki, Maclear, Matatiele, Mount Ayliff, > Mount Currie, Mount Fletcher, Mount Frere, Mqanduli, Ngqeleni, Nqamakwe, > Port St Johns, Qumbu, St Marks, Tabankulu, Tsolo, Tsomo, Umtata, Umzimkulu, > Willowvale and Xalanga. > If these are already on somebody else's to-do list, please let me know? > Thanks, Mary > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Malcolm > Stevens > Sent: 06 January 2013 09:06 > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Advice please > > Hi Mary > > That is wonderful to hear! Please do not give in and go away - the list > and genealogy in general needs more people like you to help transcribe > such useful information. > > I don't think there is any coordination happening, although Ellen and I > are trying not not duplicate each other's work. For large sets of > records which take days to transcribe I have started letting Ellen know > but for the shorter lists both Ellen and I tend to publish pretty soon > after transcribing. Funnily enough, I downloaded a number of years of > Transkei images ready for transcribing so perhaps this is a good example > of where we should coordinate a little better? > > I for one am busy with KWT 1897, St Marks and Ngcobo (Engcobo) 1895 to > around 1900. > > Regards > Malcolm > > On 2013/01/06 08:15 AM, Harper wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > Please, I need guidance from those on the EC list who have been > transcribing > > certificates from SA CP Civil Deaths on FamilySearch. While I've been > > trawling through to find my own family members, I have been attempting to > > transcribe the deaths in the old Transkei. I have now done 1895 to 1910, > > with a couple of towns still to do catch-up on, which I now realise were > > originally part of that territory. > > > > As I have seen some 1911 transcriptions for Transkei towns on the EC > list, > I > > am wondering where to go next. I would like to continue doing this, but > it > > would be pointless if the experienced transcribers already have Transkei > > towns in the pipeline, and I certainly don't want to tread on any toes. > I > > am happy to be told where to start next - or to give up and go away? > > > > Best wishes to everyone out there for 2013, > > > > Mary > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mary I would be very happy for you to continue with these districts and look forward to a treasure-trove of information to come! Thank you! regards Malcolm On 2013/01/06 02:29 PM, Harper wrote: > Hello again to Malcolm and others and thanks for your positive response. > As my main interest is in the Transkei, may I suggest that I continue from > 1912 with the towns/districts I've been doing up to now. > These are: Bizana, Butterworth, Elliot, Elliotdale, Engcobo, Flagstaff, > Idutywa, Kentani, Libode, Lusikisiki, Maclear, Matatiele, Mount Ayliff, > Mount Currie, Mount Fletcher, Mount Frere, Mqanduli, Ngqeleni, Nqamakwe, > Port St Johns, Qumbu, St Marks, Tabankulu, Tsolo, Tsomo, Umtata, Umzimkulu, > Willowvale and Xalanga. > If these are already on somebody else's to-do list, please let me know? > Thanks, Mary > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm > Stevens > Sent: 06 January 2013 09:06 > To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Advice please > > Hi Mary > > That is wonderful to hear! Please do not give in and go away - the list > and genealogy in general needs more people like you to help transcribe > such useful information. > > I don't think there is any coordination happening, although Ellen and I > are trying not not duplicate each other's work. For large sets of > records which take days to transcribe I have started letting Ellen know > but for the shorter lists both Ellen and I tend to publish pretty soon > after transcribing. Funnily enough, I downloaded a number of years of > Transkei images ready for transcribing so perhaps this is a good example > of where we should coordinate a little better? > > I for one am busy with KWT 1897, St Marks and Ngcobo (Engcobo) 1895 to > around 1900. > > Regards > Malcolm > > On 2013/01/06 08:15 AM, Harper wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> Please, I need guidance from those on the EC list who have been > transcribing >> certificates from SA CP Civil Deaths on FamilySearch. While I've been >> trawling through to find my own family members, I have been attempting to >> transcribe the deaths in the old Transkei. I have now done 1895 to 1910, >> with a couple of towns still to do catch-up on, which I now realise were >> originally part of that territory. >> >> As I have seen some 1911 transcriptions for Transkei towns on the EC list, > I >> am wondering where to go next. I would like to continue doing this, but > it >> would be pointless if the experienced transcribers already have Transkei >> towns in the pipeline, and I certainly don't want to tread on any toes. I >> am happy to be told where to start next - or to give up and go away? >> >> Best wishes to everyone out there for 2013, >> >> Mary >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I have come across an article in the South African Medical Journal from 1911 which those of you with medical practitioners in your family history might find interesting. It discusses the medical practitioners in the Cape at the time, the hospitals, the practising of medicine and the dispensing of drugs, and the fee structure for Cape Town and Country practitioners. http://archive.samj.org.za/1911%20VOL%20IX%20Jan-Dec/06%20June/1.2%20CAPE%20 MEDICAL%20PRACTICE%20IN%201824.pdf Furthermore, if you visit the archive index you can browse through the years from 1884 - 2002. (Take some time to read the bulletins and articles on the Spanish Flu pandemic.) http://archive.samj.org.za/ Regards Debbie Nelson

Hello again to Malcolm and others and thanks for your positive response. As my main interest is in the Transkei, may I suggest that I continue from 1912 with the towns/districts I've been doing up to now. These are: Bizana, Butterworth, Elliot, Elliotdale, Engcobo, Flagstaff, Idutywa, Kentani, Libode, Lusikisiki, Maclear, Matatiele, Mount Ayliff, Mount Currie, Mount Fletcher, Mount Frere, Mqanduli, Ngqeleni, Nqamakwe, Port St Johns, Qumbu, St Marks, Tabankulu, Tsolo, Tsomo, Umtata, Umzimkulu, Willowvale and Xalanga. If these are already on somebody else's to-do list, please let me know? Thanks, Mary -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm Stevens Sent: 06 January 2013 09:06 To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Advice please Hi Mary That is wonderful to hear! Please do not give in and go away - the list and genealogy in general needs more people like you to help transcribe such useful information. I don't think there is any coordination happening, although Ellen and I are trying not not duplicate each other's work. For large sets of records which take days to transcribe I have started letting Ellen know but for the shorter lists both Ellen and I tend to publish pretty soon after transcribing. Funnily enough, I downloaded a number of years of Transkei images ready for transcribing so perhaps this is a good example of where we should coordinate a little better? I for one am busy with KWT 1897, St Marks and Ngcobo (Engcobo) 1895 to around 1900. Regards Malcolm On 2013/01/06 08:15 AM, Harper wrote: > Hello all, > > Please, I need guidance from those on the EC list who have been transcribing > certificates from SA CP Civil Deaths on FamilySearch. While I've been > trawling through to find my own family members, I have been attempting to > transcribe the deaths in the old Transkei. I have now done 1895 to 1910, > with a couple of towns still to do catch-up on, which I now realise were > originally part of that territory. > > As I have seen some 1911 transcriptions for Transkei towns on the EC list, I > am wondering where to go next. I would like to continue doing this, but it > would be pointless if the experienced transcribers already have Transkei > towns in the pipeline, and I certainly don't want to tread on any toes. I > am happy to be told where to start next - or to give up and go away? > > Best wishes to everyone out there for 2013, > > Mary > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And hello to you dear cuz - haven't forgotten your William Thompson, but so far haven't come across him - love to you all that side, Mary -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rob and Elaine Sent: 06 January 2013 08:54 To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Advice please Hello cousin Mary Thanks for all your hard work.........so much appreciated! I am still looking for my WILLIAM THOMPSON family from the Fort Beaufort area. I cannot find details of a birth in Ulster and his DN in EC Are there any earlier records I am looking at between 1862/3 (birth of last child) and 1899 when Rhoda passed and says on her DN " widow" So much love to you all on the IOW Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harper" __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7864 (20130105) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello cousin Mary Thanks for all your hard work.........so much appreciated! I am still looking for my WILLIAM THOMPSON family from the Fort Beaufort area. I cannot find details of a birth in Ulster and his DN in EC Are there any earlier records I am looking at between 1862/3 (birth of last child) and 1899 when Rhoda passed and says on her DN " widow" So much love to you all on the IOW Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harper" __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7864 (20130105) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Hi Mary That is wonderful to hear! Please do not give in and go away - the list and genealogy in general needs more people like you to help transcribe such useful information. I don't think there is any coordination happening, although Ellen and I are trying not not duplicate each other's work. For large sets of records which take days to transcribe I have started letting Ellen know but for the shorter lists both Ellen and I tend to publish pretty soon after transcribing. Funnily enough, I downloaded a number of years of Transkei images ready for transcribing so perhaps this is a good example of where we should coordinate a little better? I for one am busy with KWT 1897, St Marks and Ngcobo (Engcobo) 1895 to around 1900. Regards Malcolm On 2013/01/06 08:15 AM, Harper wrote: > Hello all, > > Please, I need guidance from those on the EC list who have been transcribing > certificates from SA CP Civil Deaths on FamilySearch. While I've been > trawling through to find my own family members, I have been attempting to > transcribe the deaths in the old Transkei. I have now done 1895 to 1910, > with a couple of towns still to do catch-up on, which I now realise were > originally part of that territory. > > As I have seen some 1911 transcriptions for Transkei towns on the EC list, I > am wondering where to go next. I would like to continue doing this, but it > would be pointless if the experienced transcribers already have Transkei > towns in the pipeline, and I certainly don't want to tread on any toes. I > am happy to be told where to start next - or to give up and go away? > > Best wishes to everyone out there for 2013, > > Mary > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >