HI Malcolm What is your source for these. I see there is a Gunning on the list. I am researching my Gunnings and I need to know if he belongs to me. Regards Gwyn On 7 January 2013 15:53, Malcolm Stevens <malcolm.stevens@upcmail.nl> wrote: > 1872 . 29-May . Janze van Rensburg . JAJ . Jooste . HCA > 1887 . 29-Jun . Mythorpe ? . AJ . Mullerup . MM > 1887 . 18-Jul . Greeff . HJ . van Zyl . FJ > 1891 . 21-Jul . Levinson . J . Moss . R > 1892 . 05-Oct . Fischer . JH . Holloway . E > 1893 . 05-Apr . de Beer . MA . Vallentine . MP? > 1900 . 20-Mar . Smuts . M . Badger . K > 1894 . 22-Jan . Scott . H . van Zyl . ES > 1896 . 08-Jan . Fischer . S . Weston . A > 1896 . 06-Nov . Scheppel . M . Buytendag . GE > 1896 . 07-Dec . Gabriel . A . Horne . BM > 1897 . 01-Mar . van der Merwe . TR . Nieuwenhuis . AM > 1898 . 25-Jan . Moss . L . Levy . BL > 1898 . 28-Apr . Nel . AF . Opperman . SJ > 1898 . 17-Nov . Kruger . HJ . van Heerden . CAS > 1900 . 19-Apr . Liefeldt . NW . van Staden J . > 1900 . 23-Sep . Delbana . R . Moss . J > 1901 . 15-Feb . Nepgen . JB . van Jaarsveldt . AP > 1901 . 25-Mar . Bland . LG . Clark . AM > 1901 . 25-Mar . de Lange . JF . Janse van Nieuwenhuis . HA > 1901 . 22-May . du Plessis . JJH . Jordaan . JM > 1902 . 13-Mar . Wilson . WHM . Marais . HAS > 1902 . 12-Apr . Rossouw . JA . van der Merwe . SM > 1902 . 18-Apr . Maine . W . Campbell . EM > 1902 . 14-May . Greyling . BMJ . Coetzee . MJ > 1902 . 06-Jun . Rossouw . J . van Niekerk . N > 1902 . 17-Jun . Vinic . FJ . van Staaden . ACM > 1902 . 27-Aug . Ross . JG . Robertson (Robarts) . J > 1902 . 04-Nov . Webb . S . Smithdore . C > 1903 . 26-May . Moore . EJ . Kidson . EJ > 1903 . 27-Nov . Rayner . CT . Hutchons . AM > 1904 . 09-Mar . Holder . AP . Jordaan . AC > 1904 . 03-May . van Zyl . GG . van den Heever . AM > 1904 . 27-Aug . Boyce . D . Rabbie . SW > 1904 . 01-Oct . Kruger . J . Nepgen . AS > 1905 . 15-May . Jordaan . WJ . Roberts . A > 1905 . 07-Nov . Gunning . JR . de Bruin . EM > 1906 . 10-Jan . Kokot . MF . Jenkinson . SM > 1906 . 19-Sep . Kruger . HS . van der Berg . AP > 1906 . 01-Dec . Stenlake . JH . Jordaan . E > 1907 . 29-Apr . van Staden . CP . van de Venter . SME > 1907 . 10-Dec . Wagenaar . NJ . van Zyl . SJ > 1908 . 25-Aug . Katzen . H . Lewin . HH > 1908 . 14-Dec . Kemm . RL . Dutton . M > 1909 . 19-Apr . Harding . TR . Kirton . OL > 1909 . 16-Aug . Boucher . J . Coetzee . CCJ > 1910 . 28-Jun . Williams . D . Minnaar . E > 1910 . 12-Nov . Kattey . L . Minnaar . E > 1910 . 15-Nov . van Heerden . JP . Wannenburg . JEP > 1910 . 15-Dec . Venter . JA . Slabbert . AC > 1911 . 07-Jan . Breedzke . CF . Grobler . AJ > 1911 . 18-Aug . Stern . M . Aufrichtig . C > 1911 . 04-Oct . Moolman . PL . Myburgh . AM > 1911 . 09-Oct . Nepgen . HC . Smith . ML > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>From FamilySearch, South Africa, Cape Province, Civil Deaths 1895 - 1972. My 1895 transcriptions for BUTTERWORTH, ELLIOTDALE, ENGCOBO, IDUTYWA, KENTANI, MOUNT AYLIFF, MOUNT FRERE, NQAMAKWE, PORT ST JOHNS, UMTATA, UMZIMKULU, XALANGA, originally posted to the Transkei site. Surname; Christian Name/s; Town/District; Image No. ?ILLEGIBLE?; Matilda; Umtata; 26 AUTHORS/CRUTHERS; Henry; Umtata; 11 BENNIE; Charlotte Hannah; Umtata; 12 BESSINGER; William Christopher; Elliotdale; 1 BREWER; Decraya(?); Umximkulu; 1 BROOKS; Jubelie; Xalanga; 20 CAVANAGH; Edward; Umtata; 7 COLLINSALL(?); Frederick; Umtata; 20 COOPER; Samuel; Xalanga; 9 COSTELLO; John; Xalanga; 21 CUMMING; luucie(?); Mount Ayliff; 2 DAVIS; Ida(?); Engcobo; 6 DAWE ex SHERGOLD; Sarah Ann; Port St Johns; 1 D'OSSARY; Francis Leopold; 4 DU PREEZ; Dirk; Butterworth; 1 DUNCAN; no first name; Port St Johns; 3 DUNCAN; Richard; Kentani; 1 FORSBERG; Ivan; Umtata; 21 GASKELL ex PALMER ex O'DONELL ex PRIOR born CROUCH; Mount Ayliff; 4 HAMILTON; Lilly; 8 HART; Joseph; Port St Johns; 2 HAWKES; Amy Hanna; 7 HOGAN; Arthur; Umtata; 29 KORTMAN; Joseph; Umzimkulu; 2 KRIEL; Johannes Andries; Umtata; 9 LESLIE; Bertram; Umzimkulu; 3 LLOYD; Ada Mildred Alice; Port St Johns; 6 MACKLEY; Francis Heluise(?); Umtata; 34 MARILLIER; Lucy Adelaide; Umtata; 24 MARITZ; Cornelius Johannes Olivier; Umzimkulu; 6 MAXWELL; James; Umtata; 16 MEIN/MEIR; Robert; Umtata; 15 MERRIMAN; Sydney; Butterworth;2 MORGAN; Henry Victor; Xalanga; 2 MORIARTY; Elizabeth Maud; Nqamakwe; 1 NEWMAN; Francis; Umzimkulu; 7 PENGIN(?); William; Xalanga; 25 PUTTER; Anna Catharina; Xalanga; 18 RITCHIE; Kenneth; Umtata; 28 ROGAN(?); Joseph; Engcobo; 1 SCHROEDER; Louise; Idutywa; 3 SMITH; William; Umtata; 2 SPRING; William; Mount Frere; 1 STYLE; Leonora; Butterworth; 3 TERLOW/TERTON; Muriel Alice Kate; Mount Ayliff; 1 VERSTER; Hercule Albertus; Xalanga; 10 Mary Sansom Harper

INDEX TO CAPE PROVINCE CIVIL DEATH NOTICES ON www.familysearch.org TO VIEW DOCUMENTS: 1. Under browse by location, click on Africa 2. Click on South Africa, Cape Province, Civil Deaths, 1895-1972 3. Click on Browse through 2,216,270 images 4. Select the appropriate year 5. Select the appropriate district 6. Enter image # in Image # text box Transcribed as follows: Surname ; Name ; LDS # Transcribed by Malcolm Stevens To import this data into Excel, copy the transcribed data and paste into a single column, multiple rows into Excel. Highlight that text, then select Data in the excel menu, choose "Text To Columns" and when presented with an option, select "Delimited Text" and as a delimiter choose ";" Kind regards Malcolm MACLEAR - 1898 ARNOLD NEE KEARNEY ; Mary Helene ; 57 BOTHA ; Annie Harriett ; 6 BOTHA ; Magdalena ; 65 FOX ; Alfred Edward ; 28 MAARTINS ; Coist ; 49 MEYER ; William Jacobus ; 39 MUGGLETON ; Arthur Digby ; 52 OOSTHUYSEN ; Daughter of JJ ; 51 PRESTON ; Rhoda May ; 43 TEMPLAR ; Edna ; 55 THOMPSON ; Daughter of Robert ; 7

INDEX TO CAPE PROVINCE CIVIL DEATH NOTICES ON www.familysearch.org TO VIEW DOCUMENTS: 1. Under browse by location, click on Africa 2. Click on South Africa, Cape Province, Civil Deaths, 1895-1972 3. Click on Browse through 2,216,270 images 4. Select the appropriate year 5. Select the appropriate district 6. Enter image # in Image # text box Transcribed as follows: Surname ; Name ; LDS # Transcribed by Malcolm Stevens To import this data into Excel, copy the transcribed data and paste into a single column, multiple rows into Excel. Highlight that text, then select Data in the excel menu, choose "Text To Columns" and when presented with an option, select "Delimited Text" and as a delimiter choose ";" Kind regards Malcolm MACLEAR - 1897 BURNS ; John ; 8 KEARNEY ; Johanna Adriana ; 18 LOUW ; Anna Magterlena ; 27 ROUSE ; Thomas William ; 14 WALDEN ; George William ; 32

INDEX TO CAPE PROVINCE CIVIL DEATH NOTICES ON www.familysearch.org TO VIEW DOCUMENTS: 1. Under browse by location, click on Africa 2. Click on South Africa, Cape Province, Civil Deaths, 1895-1972 3. Click on Browse through 2,216,270 images 4. Select the appropriate year 5. Select the appropriate district 6. Enter image # in Image # text box Transcribed as follows: Surname ; Name ; LDS # Transcribed by Malcolm Stevens To import this data into Excel, copy the transcribed data and paste into a single column, multiple rows into Excel. Highlight that text, then select Data in the excel menu, choose "Text To Columns" and when presented with an option, select "Delimited Text" and as a delimiter choose ";" Kind regards Malcolm MACLEAR - 1896 BRONDWY ; Eleanor Sarah ; 6 DURAND NEE PRETORIUS ; Johana ; 35 EKRON ; Michael Johan ; 26 GOOSEN ; Adalena Jergiena ; 19 HARVEY ; Elizabeth Jane ; 27 HARVEY ; Elizabeth Jane ; 28 HULLEY ; Joseph ; 33 KIDWELL ; Charles James ; 20 POTE ; Horatus Richard ; 34 PUTTER ; Daughter of Jacob J ; 15 THOMPSON ; Sarah Ann ; 37

INDEX TO CAPE PROVINCE CIVIL DEATH NOTICES ON www.familysearch.org TO VIEW DOCUMENTS: 1. Under browse by location, click on Africa 2. Click on South Africa, Cape Province, Civil Deaths, 1895-1972 3. Click on Browse through 2,216,270 images 4. Select the appropriate year 5. Select the appropriate district 6. Enter image # in Image # text box Transcribed as follows: Surname ; Name ; LDS # Transcribed by Malcolm Stevens To import this data into Excel, copy the transcribed data and paste into a single column, multiple rows into Excel. Highlight that text, then select Data in the excel menu, choose "Text To Columns" and when presented with an option, select "Delimited Text" and as a delimiter choose ";" Kind regards Malcolm MACLEAR - 1895 11 ; BENSON ; Gordon Henry 3 ; BOTHA ; Catherine Jacoba Elizabeth 38 ; BOUCHER ; Son of Charles 12 ; COETZEE ; Peter Willem 23 ; HIGGINSON ; Elizabeth Hollith 17 ; HONEY ; Jesse Spicer 28 ; MAARTENS ; Maartje Aletta 26 ; MARAIS ; Stephanus Francois 14 ; MULLER ; Rachel Elizabeth Chattrena 16 ; MYBURGH ; Renzis Jacoba Fredrica Francina 29 ; NEL ; Step-brother of LH Roux 18 ; ROBERTS ; Judith Jane 10 ; STEYN ; Son of HP Steyn 8 ; TAYLOR ; Lucy 40 ; TAYLOR NEE BENOIST ; Josephine

Dear Listers I have incorrectly sent out incorrectly labelled Indexes!! I sent out indexes for Komga 1895 and 1896 but they are in fact Maclear. IF THE LIST ADMINISTRATOR IS KIND ENOUGH TO NOT PUBLISH MY LAST TWO INDEXED LABELLED AS KOMGA, THAT WOULD BE GREAT! regards Malcolm

INDEX TO CAPE PROVINCE CIVIL DEATH NOTICES ON www.familysearch.org TO VIEW DOCUMENTS: 1. Under browse by location, click on Africa 2. Click on South Africa, Cape Province, Civil Deaths, 1895-1972 3. Click on Browse through 2,216,270 images 4. Select the appropriate year 5. Select the appropriate district 6. Enter image # in Image # text box Transcribed as follows: Surname ; Name ; LDS # Transcribed by Malcolm Stevens To import this data into Excel, copy the transcribed data and paste into a single column, multiple rows into Excel. Highlight that text, then select Data in the excel menu, choose "Text To Columns" and when presented with an option, select "Delimited Text" and as a delimiter choose ";" Kind regards Malcolm KOMGA - 1896 BRONDWY ; Eleanor Sarah ; 6 DURAND NEE PRETORIUS ; Johana ; 35 EKRON ; Michael Johan ; 26 GOOSEN ; Adalena Jergiena ; 19 HARVEY ; Elizabeth Jane ; 27 HARVEY ; Elizabeth Jane ; 28 HULLEY ; Joseph ; 33 KIDWELL ; Charles James ; 20 POTE ; Horatus Richard ; 34 PUTTER ; Daughter of Jacob J ; 15 THOMPSON ; Sarah Ann ; 37

INDEX TO CAPE PROVINCE CIVIL DEATH NOTICES ON www.familysearch.org TO VIEW DOCUMENTS: 1. Under browse by location, click on Africa 2. Click on South Africa, Cape Province, Civil Deaths, 1895-1972 3. Click on Browse through 2,216,270 images 4. Select the appropriate year 5. Select the appropriate district 6. Enter image # in Image # text box Transcribed as follows: Surname ; Name ; LDS # Transcribed by Malcolm Stevens To import this data into Excel, copy the transcribed data and paste into a single column, multiple rows into Excel. Highlight that text, then select Data in the excel menu, choose "Text To Columns" and when presented with an option, select "Delimited Text" and as a delimiter choose ";" Kind regards Malcolm KOMGA - 1895 11 ; BENSON ; Gordon Henry 3 ; BOTHA ; Catherine Jacoba Elizabeth 38 ; BOUCHER ; Son of Charles 12 ; COETZEE ; Peter Willem 23 ; HIGGINSON ; Elizabeth Hollith 17 ; HONEY ; Jesse Spicer 28 ; MAARTENS ; Maartje Aletta 26 ; MARAIS ; Stephanus Francois 14 ; MULLER ; Rachel Elizabeth Chattrena 16 ; MYBURGH ; Renzis Jacoba Fredrica Francina 29 ; NEL ; Step-brother of LH Roux 18 ; ROBERTS ; Judith Jane 10 ; STEYN ; Son of HP Steyn 8 ; TAYLOR ; Lucy 40 ; TAYLOR NEE BENOIST ; Josephine

INDEX TO CAPE PROVINCE CIVIL DEATH NOTICES ON www.familysearch.org TO VIEW DOCUMENTS: 1. Under browse by location, click on Africa 2. Click on South Africa, Cape Province, Civil Deaths, 1895-1972 3. Click on Browse through 2,216,270 images 4. Select the appropriate year 5. Select the appropriate district 6. Enter image # in Image # text box Transcribed as follows: Surname ; Name ; LDS # Transcribed by Malcolm Stevens To import this data into Excel, copy the transcribed data and paste into a single column, multiple rows into Excel. Highlight that text, then select Data in the excel menu, choose "Text To Columns" and when presented with an option, select "Delimited Text" and as a delimiter choose ";" Kind regards Malcolm UITENHAGE - 1896 448 ; ALLERS ; Cornelia Margaretha 449 ; ALLERS ; Piet Jan Adriaan 597 ; ANDERSON ; Christina Magritta 425 ; ANDREWS ; Jacob 56 ; BARKHUIZEN ; Jan Nicolaas Wilhelm 375 ; BARNARD ; Marthinus Jacobus 52 ; BAYLEY ; Eliza Jane 108 ; BEDSER ; Annie 561 ; BELLINGAN ; Floris Noach 64 ; BEZYDENHOUT ; Martha 439 ; BIRMINGHAM ; Thomas 463 ; BOOYSEN ; Petrus 356 ; BROWN ; Johnson William Henry 42 ; BUBB ; Clarence Oscar 158 ; BUNUDENHOUT ; Johannes Metives 559 ; BUTLER ; Charles 351 ; CAMPBELL ; Henry 273 ; CANAVAN ; Mary 525 ; COMBRINCK ; Child of JC 582 ; COWLEY ; Emmeline 128 ; COWRY ; Daisy 59 ; CRUICKSHANKS ; George William 371 ; DANIELL ; Joseph Henry 464 ; DAWSON ; Bertie 53 ; DE ROOS ; Herminnie Elise 290 ; DEETLEFS ; Maria Johanna 478 ; DESMOND ; Emma Davis 269 ; DEYSEL ; Johannes 535 ; DEYSEL ; Daniel Jacobus 48 & 49 ; DEYZEL ; Jan Jurgens Abel 498 ; DU PREEZ ; Jemima Josephina 509 ; DU PREEZ ; Stephanus Johannes 225 ; EGGBERRY ; George 311 ; ELS ; Nicholas 15 ; ERASMUS ; Son of SJ Erasmus 96 ; FERREIRA ; Petrus Hendrick 455 ; FERREIRA ; Thomas Jugenadus 87 ; FLEISCHER ; William Daniel 595 ; FOURIE ; Andris Martinus 23 ; FOWLER ; Harold Henry 406 ; FOXCROFT ; Sarah Louisa 548 ; FRANCKENBERG ; Joel 170 ; GAN ; Wilhelmina Dorothy 227 ; GATES ; Maryann 526 ; GEARD ; Son of Charles 117 ; GERBER ; Jonna Magdalena 27 ; GILL ; Cecil George 20 ; GLEESON ; Bertie Joseph 18 ; GOODYER ; Florence May 519 ; GRIFFITHS ; Josephine 191 ; GROBBELAAR ; Catharina Susanna 171 ; HARROD ; Robert George 336 ; HARTY ; John 85 & 86 ; HASTINGS ; Elizabeth Anne 51 ; HAYWARD ; Anna Christina 95 ; HAYWARD ; Jacoba Petronella 206 ; HEGERS ; Martha Christina 294 ; HENDRICKS ; Sydney Henry 228 ; HERRING ; George William 493 ; HEYWARD ; Peter Bernardus 510 ; HOLZHAUSEN ; Martha Jacoba 67 ; HOPKINS ; Clara 560 ; HOWLETT ; Ethel Annie 138 ; HUTCHINSON ; Thomas Phillip 159 ; JACOBS ; Gert Thomas 480 ; JANSE ; Willem Jacobus Erasmus 17 ; JOHNSON ; Francis 110 ; KELLY ; Patrick 537 ; KEYZER ; Matheus Marthinus ? ; KEYZER ; Anna Susana Catarina 249 ; KLEINHAUS ; Adolph Johannes 542 ; KLEYNHANS ; Sarah 324 ; KUPZER ; Sidney David 337 ; LAMONT ; Elizabeth Halliday 252 ; LANDMAN ; Daughter of JC Landman 350 ; LANDMAN ; Edward Carl Christian 275 ; LOTZ ; Adrianus Cornelius 460 ; MACKRAY Nee COOPER ; Esther 299 ; MARAIS ; Helena Charlotta 504 ; MARAIS ; Salmon Esaias 131 ; MEYER ; Neville Roux 435 ; MEYER ; Olive 355 ; MILTON ; Ann 483 ; MULLER ; George Frederick 484 ; MULLER ; Susannah Elenna 485 ; MULLER ; Jan van Niekerk 520 ; MULLER ; Isaac 427 ; NOT KNOWN ; 315 ; O'BRIEN ; John 475 ; PHILISS ; Emily 565 ; PIENAAR ; Johannes 276 ; PIETERSEN ; Jacobus Nicholas 470 ; PIETERSEN ; Floris Phillippus 569 ; POTGIETER ; Phillippus Salomon 272 ; REED ; Henry John 551 ; ROGERS ; William John 82 ; ROOKE ; Ruben Roger 132 ; ROUX ; John Gideon 456 ; RUDMAN ; Charles 145 ; SAVAHL ; Zuvyheir 343 ; SLABBERT ; Louwrenes Daniel 378 ; SNIJMAN ; Susana Johana 379 ; SNYMAN ; Son of Frederik Johannes and Catrina Elizabeth 181 ; STOW ; Myrtle Lilian 217 ; SUTER ; Nelly Francis 106 ; SUTOR ; Ernest Edward 43 ; TAINTON ; Frederick George 390 ; THOMPSON ; Tunbridge Bevan 397 ; TIMMS ; Charles 533 ; TUCK ; Alexander John Dempster 594 ; TURNER ; Minnie 517 ; TUTT ; Alice Mary Miller 183 ; VERMAAK ; Johan Andries 222 ; VERMAAK ; Rosina Elizabeth 197 ; VICKERY ; John Horax 45 ; VILJOEN ; Martin William 317 ; VILJOEN ; Herbert William 335 ; VILJOEN ; Willem Hendrik 570 ; VILJOEN ; Annie Eliza 260 ; WAIT ; Emily Henrietta 401 ; WAIT ; Henry Edward 490 ; WAIT ; Gertrude Cornelia 298 ; WEBSTER ; Ernest Stephen 70 ; WILLIAMS ; Mary Ann 434 ; WILSON ; Joseph Harold

Thanks, Malcolm. Cheers Ian Currie On 2013/01/08 04:36 PM, Malcolm Stevens wrote: > Hi Ian > > The link to the FHC set of documents is > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-29845-14277-3?cc=1935348&wc=M9M4-T28:276291664 > > I transcribed a handwritten index which appears at the start of the > document set which does not refer to the LDS numbers of the actual > documents. You may need to browse through each of the 178 records. > > regards > Malcolm > > > On 2013/01/08 08:59 AM, Ian Currie wrote: >> Hi Malcolm >> >> Where can I find more information on the 1900 marriage of N. W. Liefeldt >> to J. van Staden? >> >> Thanks >> Ian Currie >> >> >> On 2013/01/07 03:53 PM, Malcolm Stevens wrote: >>> 1872 . 29-May . Janze van Rensburg . JAJ . Jooste . HCA >>> 1887 . 29-Jun . Mythorpe ? . AJ . Mullerup . MM >>> 1887 . 18-Jul . Greeff . HJ . van Zyl . FJ >>> 1891 . 21-Jul . Levinson . J . Moss . R >>> 1892 . 05-Oct . Fischer . JH . Holloway . E >>> 1893 . 05-Apr . de Beer . MA . Vallentine . MP? >>> 1900 . 20-Mar . Smuts . M . Badger . K >>> 1894 . 22-Jan . Scott . H . van Zyl . ES >>> 1896 . 08-Jan . Fischer . S . Weston . A >>> 1896 . 06-Nov . Scheppel . M . Buytendag . GE >>> 1896 . 07-Dec . Gabriel . A . Horne . BM >>> 1897 . 01-Mar . van der Merwe . TR . Nieuwenhuis . AM >>> 1898 . 25-Jan . Moss . L . Levy . BL >>> 1898 . 28-Apr . Nel . AF . Opperman . SJ >>> 1898 . 17-Nov . Kruger . HJ . van Heerden . CAS >>> 1900 . 19-Apr . Liefeldt . NW . van Staden J . >>> 1900 . 23-Sep . Delbana . R . Moss . J >>> 1901 . 15-Feb . Nepgen . JB . van Jaarsveldt . AP >>> 1901 . 25-Mar . Bland . LG . Clark . AM >>> 1901 . 25-Mar . de Lange . JF . Janse van Nieuwenhuis . HA >>> 1901 . 22-May . du Plessis . JJH . Jordaan . JM >>> 1902 . 13-Mar . Wilson . WHM . Marais . HAS >>> 1902 . 12-Apr . Rossouw . JA . van der Merwe . SM >>> 1902 . 18-Apr . Maine . W . Campbell . EM >>> 1902 . 14-May . Greyling . BMJ . Coetzee . MJ >>> 1902 . 06-Jun . Rossouw . J . van Niekerk . N >>> 1902 . 17-Jun . Vinic . FJ . van Staaden . ACM >>> 1902 . 27-Aug . Ross . JG . Robertson (Robarts) . J >>> 1902 . 04-Nov . Webb . S . Smithdore . C >>> 1903 . 26-May . Moore . EJ . Kidson . EJ >>> 1903 . 27-Nov . Rayner . CT . Hutchons . AM >>> 1904 . 09-Mar . Holder . AP . Jordaan . AC >>> 1904 . 03-May . van Zyl . GG . van den Heever . AM >>> 1904 . 27-Aug . Boyce . D . Rabbie . SW >>> 1904 . 01-Oct . Kruger . J . Nepgen . AS >>> 1905 . 15-May . Jordaan . WJ . Roberts . A >>> 1905 . 07-Nov . Gunning . JR . de Bruin . EM >>> 1906 . 10-Jan . Kokot . MF . Jenkinson . SM >>> 1906 . 19-Sep . Kruger . HS . van der Berg . AP >>> 1906 . 01-Dec . Stenlake . JH . Jordaan . E >>> 1907 . 29-Apr . van Staden . CP . van de Venter . SME >>> 1907 . 10-Dec . Wagenaar . NJ . van Zyl . SJ >>> 1908 . 25-Aug . Katzen . H . Lewin . HH >>> 1908 . 14-Dec . Kemm . RL . Dutton . M >>> 1909 . 19-Apr . Harding . TR . Kirton . OL >>> 1909 . 16-Aug . Boucher . J . Coetzee . CCJ >>> 1910 . 28-Jun . Williams . D . Minnaar . E >>> 1910 . 12-Nov . Kattey . L . Minnaar . E >>> 1910 . 15-Nov . van Heerden . JP . Wannenburg . JEP >>> 1910 . 15-Dec . Venter . JA . Slabbert . AC >>> 1911 . 07-Jan . Breedzke . CF . Grobler . AJ >>> 1911 . 18-Aug . Stern . M . Aufrichtig . C >>> 1911 . 04-Oct . Moolman . PL . Myburgh . AM >>> 1911 . 09-Oct . Nepgen . HC . Smith . ML >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> message >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> > > >

Hi Clive If memory seems to serve me well, the information I got had been from the internet and someone on the list corrected me and said that this info was not correct. This is what I was sent: The Marymount and the Kensington Clinic are 2 totally separate institutions. The Marymount was a Maternity Home and is now the Millennium Old Age Home. 54 Albemarle Rd Kensington. I was not able to date this building but I personally know the man who was the first baby boy born there and he was born in 1947. I believe it stopped functioning as a Maternity home in 1996 but have not proved that conclusively. The Kenisington Sanatorium was a hospital and it is now the Kensington Clinic (Rehab…which is referred to as a"Step-Down" facility). 23 Roberts Ave Kensington. This building is 107 years old. I have phoned both institutions and checked. They are a few blocks away from one another and both are functioning at the present time. I trust that this will help. Take care Tessa From: Clive Riseam Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 3:10 AM To: tessking@mweb.co.za Subject: Mary Mount hospital Hi Tessa I came across your brief article on the Roots Web page. I am trying to find out the physical address of the old Mary Mount, where I was born, and see that it was apparently sold off in 1996. From your article it became the Kensington Clinic, which according to my google search is 23 Roberts Avenue, Kensington. I would appreciate it if you have either some information on the 'transformation' from the Mary Mount, or if you know the address of where it was located. Regards Clive Riseam

INDEX TO CAPE PROVINCE DEATH CERTIFICATES for ALIWAL NORTH, 1895 on www.familysearch.org TO VIEW DOCUMENTS: 1. Under browse by location, click on Africa 2. Click on South Africa, Cape Province, Civil Deaths, 1895-1972 3. Click on Browse through 2,216,270 images 4. Click on 1895 5. Click on Aliwal North 6. Enter desired image # in Image # box Information is in this order: Image #; Name 1; Charles CERBERT 2; Jacob Thomas TROLLIP 8; Susara Helena POTGIETER 10; Noel Illegible DE SMIDT 11; Willem Jacobus VAN STRAATEN 13, 14; Pretorius Jacobus MYBURGH 16; Martha Maria VENTER 18; John Frank SEATON 21; Jacob Thomas TROLLIP 23; Eduard KLYNHANS 28; Alfred Edward PARSONS 37; William John NORMAN 38; Jasper Johannes FOURIE 39; Pieter Schalk VAN HEERDEN 40; Hester Louisa GROBLER 41; Unnamed male infant of T. T. TOMKINSON 42; Evelyn Maud SNELL 44; Casper Johannes VORSTER 46; Andries Marthinus VAN DER WATT 48; Jacobus Stephanus COETZEE 49; John ROODT 51; Irene Gertrude SHEPPERSON 53; Joseph Adriaan NAUDE 58; Oliver Briggs WASTEN? 61; Elizabeth Johannah Cecillia KRUGER 63; Katie MCMILLAN 64, 66; Hendrika ATKINSON 65; Welem Jacobus Johanes Abraham MYBURGH 68; Louise Johannes KRUGER 70; Kate DAGNALL 72; Hester Johanna GROBLER 73; Frans Johannes de Wald HATTINGH 74; Magdalena Petronella NEL 75; Lukas Cornelius Johanes VORSTER 76; Hester Susarah BEKKER 78; Jacob VENTER 79; Kenneth Boardman SMITH 80; Magdelena Margarita Elizabeth DRY 82; Maria Elizabetha COETSEE 83; Marthinas Casparus Johannes Erkelens COOKE 88; Maria Cornelia HERBST 89; Theodores Barnardus KLYNHANS 90; George Ruthven WILSON 92; Petrus Lefras MOOLMAN 93; Maria Cornelia MYBURGH 97; Jan Jacobus NEL 98; James JOHNS 100; Jannetje BLAKE 104; Hester Catarina POSTHUMUS 105; James BRITTEN 109; Agnes Louisa HANNAFORD 111; Anne Lydia HALSE 112; Pieter Johannes SMALL 114; John ROSS 116; Margaret Paula Martha BUNN 118; Karl Johannes Albertus Petrus VENTER 119; Henning Jacobus Marthinus VILJOEN 121; Lucas Johannes POTGIETER 122; Pieter Hendrik Jacobus KLEYNHANS 124; Johannes Abram HARTSLIEF 126; Sophia C. E. SMITH 127; Jacobus Mathinus VAN DER WALT 128; Solomon Pienaar MUNRO 129; John Schlebusch CLOETE 131; Hester Petrina Maria Petronella PELSER 132; Charles Richard Woodley HAW 134; Cornelia Maria KLOPPER (nee BUITENDACH) 136; Walter Henry BLAKEBOROUGH 138; Sophia C. E. SMITH 139; Theunis Stephanus Botha RETIEF 141; Barend Johannes KRUGER 142; Janettha Hendrina Jacoba COETZEE 143; Gert Derk Jac KOEZE (KOTZE?) 144; Susannah Elizabeth VAN TONDER 145; Unnamed male infant of H. POTAS 147; Maria Magdalena KOEKEMOER (nee DU PLESSIS) 149; Gladys MOTLEY 151; Katerina Helena DE WET 152, 153; John William MCCOLL 156; Lowiessa Maria VAN BILJON 157; Douglas Alexander John GRAHAM 158; Arthur Harold BEST 160; Margaret Ellen THOMSON 162, 163; Chatarina Johanna FOURIE 167; Allington Stanford CARMAN 169; Leonard John WRIGHT Transcribed by Ellen Stanton Email: harprulz@bellsouth.net

INDEX TO CAPE PROVINCE DEATH CERTIFICATES for ALEXANDRIA, 1895 on www.familysearch.org TO VIEW DOCUMENTS: 1. Under browse by location, click on Africa 2. Click on South Africa, Cape Province, Civil Deaths, 1895-1972 3. Click on Browse through 2,216,270 images 4. Click on 1895 5. Click on Alexandria 6. Enter desired image # in Image # box Information is in this order: Image #; Name 13; William GIBB 33; Peter Johannes SCHEEPERS 34; Frederick Christian PETERSON 37; James William CANNON 61; Hendrick CROUISE? 87; Katharine Delphine BRUTON 88; Frederick Johannes VOGEL 89; Benjamin COHEN 97; Bertha Sarah Green FOWLDS 98; Cornelia Phillipina BEZUIDENHOUT 99; William Howarth FOWLDS 127; William CHOWLES 129; Joseph LONGMAN 132; John CHERRY 136; Helen Gertrude VERMAAK 141; Cornelia Jakoba VOGEL 142; Unnamed female infant of Isaias Johannes KNOESEN 147, 148; Martina Johanna BESSINGER 161; Philip DU PREEZ 166; Chorolina Petronella Soesanna SCHEEPERS Transcribed by Ellen Stanton Email: harprulz@bellsouth.net

Try https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FMMBK-7BS%3A1878758019%3Fcc%3D1392488 On 8 January 2013 21:26, Malcolm Stevens <malcolm.stevens@upcmail.nl> wrote: > Hi Listers > > Does anyone know if it's possible to see images of Uitenhage DRC / NGK > baptisms on the FHC website? I have not managed to find these but it's > quite likely that I'm being blind or obtuse, both of which would at > times be apt descriptions of me. > > Thanks! > Malcolm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Listers Does anyone know if it's possible to see images of Uitenhage DRC / NGK baptisms on the FHC website? I have not managed to find these but it's quite likely that I'm being blind or obtuse, both of which would at times be apt descriptions of me. Thanks! Malcolm

INDEX TO CAPE PROVINCE CIVIL DEATH NOTICES ON www.familysearch.org TO VIEW DOCUMENTS: 1. Under browse by location, click on Africa 2. Click on South Africa, Cape Province, Civil Deaths, 1895-1972 3. Click on Browse through 2,216,270 images 4. Select the appropriate year 5. Select the appropriate district 6. Enter image # in Image # text box Transcribed as follows: Surname ; Name ; LDS # Transcribed by Malcolm Stevens To import this data into Excel, copy the transcribed data and paste into a single column, multiple rows into Excel. Highlight that text, then select Data in the excel menu, choose "Text To Columns" and when presented with an option, select "Delimited Text" and as a delimiter choose ";" Kind regards Malcolm KING WILLIAMS TOWN - 1897 ALBRECHT ; Ettie Victoria ; 500 ALD ; William ; 505 ANLEY ; Stephen ; 192 ANNAL ; George Collins ; 15 AUSTEN ; Arthur Wesley ; 384 BAILING ; Jacobus August ; 132 BAKER ; Arthur James ; 315 BARKS ; Alice ; 264 BARTLETT ; William ; 335 BEADLE ; Violet Katherine ; 433 BEHRENDT ; Caroline ; 458 BENNETT ; John ; 487 BIRKHOLTZ ; Carl August ; 108 BLAINE ; Semma Nora ; 459 BLUHM ; Carl ; 270 BORN ; Christian Friedrich ; 29 BOTTCHER ; Unnamed daughter of Augusta ; 187 BOY ; John Edward ; 12 BOY ; Augusta ; 125 BOY ; Maria ; 138 BOYS ; Edward ; 13 BRETZKE ; Albert Daniel Wilhelm ; 179 BROOKS ; George Garnet ; 357 BURMEISTER ; Frida Louisa ; 291 BUTCHER ; Isaac ; 292 BUTTNER ; Helene Rufine ; 435 CARRUTHERS ; Daisy Jean ; 371 CARSHAGEN ; Gustav Theodor ; 244 CARSHAGEN ; Mathilde Rebekka ; 410 CARSHAGEN ; Ludwig Otto ; 479 CARTHAGE ; Paulina Friederike ; 161 CASTTE ; Vivian ; 467 CHRISTOPHUS ; Spurus ; 400 CLAREMANN ; Barbara ; 480 CLARKE ; Ruby Florence ; 56 COLLENS ; Dolly ; 241 CRAUSE ; Franz Emil August ; 170 CROSS ; Alfred Burton ; 40 DAVIS ; Amy Stella ; 145 DE FANTIER ; Paulina Henrietta ; 141 DENLIEHMANN ; Anna ; 177 DIK-PEEK (?) ; Alban Charles ; 230 DOMONEY ; Arthur James ; 102 DON ; Catherine Isabel ; 194 DOWNEY ; William ; 427 DRIFFIELD ; James Victor Erkinwald ; 405 DUCKER (?) ; Unnamed son of William ; 206 DUSLERHOFS ; Gustav Friedrich Wilhelm ; 248 ERNST ; Clara ; 422 FENNER ; Emil Albert ; 411 FERREIRA ; Ann ; 299 FIELD ; Samuel Halton ; 509 FIETZE (?) NEE SAINADE ; Johanna Louise ; 276 FORREST ; Thomas ; 128 FORRESTER ; Elizabeth ; 180 GEBHARDT ; Percival Douglas ; 219 GOOLD ; William Morris ; 220 GRUNOW ; Louisa ; 63 HAUSHUBA ; Mary Stephana ; 388 HILDEBRANDT ; Ida ; 26 HIRSA (?) ; Christian ; 250 HOGAN ; Francis David Jameson ; 249 HOLZHAUSEN ; August ; 333 HOWES ; Eliza ; 303 HUEBER ; Ernestina ; 243 HULBERT ; Philip John ; 202 JOYCE ; Peter Patrick Anthony ; 247 KERR ; Mary Joyce ; 316 KETTERER ; Louisa Augusta ; 420 KIETZMANN ; Carolina Wilhelmine Dorothea ; 348 KING ; William ; 104 KNICKELBEIN ; Ricka ; 305 KORT ; Oswald ; 34 KORTE ; Ernestine ; 113 KORTE NEE BOY ; Luise ; 506 KRAMANN ; Alwine Pauline ; 367 LANGUHANS (?) ; Frederic ; 443 LANKSHEAR ; Maria Clare ; 181 LENTZ ; Ernst Gustav ; 454 LEVY ; Amy Caroline ; 313 LEWIS ; Harriet ; 158 LUADE ; Wilhelm ; 272 LUDWIG ; August Gottlieb Daniel ; 27 MACFARNELL ; Ellen ; 390 MACKENZIE ; Dorothy Elizabeth ; 175 MITCHELL ; Elizabeth ; 460 MORGAN ; Henry Fitzroy ; 353 MURRAY ; Mary Ann Hawse ; 370 MURRAY ; Mary Ann Hawse ; 437 NAUDE ; Christina Hendrina Fredrika ; 6 NETTELTON ; William John ; 24 NUNON ; Margaret ; 285 ORMESOD (?) ; Elizabeth Kathleen Eugene ; 169 OTTO ; Wilhelmina ; 101 PAGE ; Charles ; 144 PAGEL ; Carolina ; 386 PAUTZ ; Pauline ; 210 PERKS ; John Clarke ; 425 PETZER ; Lora Petronella Christiane ; 111 & 112 POOLE ; Beatrice Jane ; 389 POPPLEY ; Clarissa ; 64 PUCHERT ; Paul Ernest Robert ; 288 REYNOLDS ; Gertrude ; 19 ROBINSON ; Marie Dorothea ; 378 ROSE ; Amelia ; 314 ROWLANDS ; Mary Joyce ; 31 ROY ; David ; 423 SANDERS ; Ellen ; 191 SCHADE ; August Christian ; 28 SCHERER ; Adolf Benjamin ; 30 SCHERER ; Emil Nataniel ; 58 SCHNEIDER ; Hermann Heinrich Ludwig ; 324 SCHROEDER ; Frederike Wilhelmine ; 98 SCHULT ; Mimi ; 242 SCHULZ ; Unnamed son of Wilhelmine ; 385 SIMPSON ; Maggie ; 275 SMITH ; Samuel ; 22 SMITH ; Edith Pricilla ; 139 SMITH ; Harry Stanley ; 341 STANDE ; Frederik August ; 238 STAP ; Dorothy May ; 171 STEENBERG ; Christian Friedrich ; 70 STEINKE ; August Paul Edward ; 120 STEPHENSON ; Muri3l Elinor ; 257 STEVENSON ; John Mulneaux ; 213 STOLTZMANN ; Ernestina Bertha ; 136 SUTTON ; Beatrice Muriel Cogan ; 382 THOMAS ; Norman Llewellyn ; 229 VAUGHAN ; Ernest Henry ; 39 VINCENT ; John James ; 38 VOLKER ; Edward Heinrich ; 478 WALCHN (?) ; George ; 336 WEWEGE ; Henry William ; 507 WHELEHAN ; Florence ; 8 WHITTLE ; Jessie ; 218 WILLIAMSON ; Henry ; 273 WILSON ; Thomas ; 312 WINKELMANN NEE PAPE ; Esther ; 380 WITTAN ; Florence Anna Elizabeth ; 434 WOICIECHOWSKY ; Anlon ; 23 WOLSEY ; Cecil Garnet Edward ; 103 WOOD ; John ; 465 WRIGHT ; Beata Lomas ; 504 ZEIGENHAGEN ; Elizabeth Anne Wande ; 10 ZERBE ; Roselyn Elizabeth ; 186 ZIEGENHAGEN ; Gertrud ; 412

Hi Ian The link to the FHC set of documents is https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-29845-14277-3?cc=1935348&wc=M9M4-T28:276291664 I transcribed a handwritten index which appears at the start of the document set which does not refer to the LDS numbers of the actual documents. You may need to browse through each of the 178 records. regards Malcolm On 2013/01/08 08:59 AM, Ian Currie wrote: > Hi Malcolm > > Where can I find more information on the 1900 marriage of N. W. Liefeldt > to J. van Staden? > > Thanks > Ian Currie > > > On 2013/01/07 03:53 PM, Malcolm Stevens wrote: >> 1872 . 29-May . Janze van Rensburg . JAJ . Jooste . HCA >> 1887 . 29-Jun . Mythorpe ? . AJ . Mullerup . MM >> 1887 . 18-Jul . Greeff . HJ . van Zyl . FJ >> 1891 . 21-Jul . Levinson . J . Moss . R >> 1892 . 05-Oct . Fischer . JH . Holloway . E >> 1893 . 05-Apr . de Beer . MA . Vallentine . MP? >> 1900 . 20-Mar . Smuts . M . Badger . K >> 1894 . 22-Jan . Scott . H . van Zyl . ES >> 1896 . 08-Jan . Fischer . S . Weston . A >> 1896 . 06-Nov . Scheppel . M . Buytendag . GE >> 1896 . 07-Dec . Gabriel . A . Horne . BM >> 1897 . 01-Mar . van der Merwe . TR . Nieuwenhuis . AM >> 1898 . 25-Jan . Moss . L . Levy . BL >> 1898 . 28-Apr . Nel . AF . Opperman . SJ >> 1898 . 17-Nov . Kruger . HJ . van Heerden . CAS >> 1900 . 19-Apr . Liefeldt . NW . van Staden J . >> 1900 . 23-Sep . Delbana . R . Moss . J >> 1901 . 15-Feb . Nepgen . JB . van Jaarsveldt . AP >> 1901 . 25-Mar . Bland . LG . Clark . AM >> 1901 . 25-Mar . de Lange . JF . Janse van Nieuwenhuis . HA >> 1901 . 22-May . du Plessis . JJH . Jordaan . JM >> 1902 . 13-Mar . Wilson . WHM . Marais . HAS >> 1902 . 12-Apr . Rossouw . JA . van der Merwe . SM >> 1902 . 18-Apr . Maine . W . Campbell . EM >> 1902 . 14-May . Greyling . BMJ . Coetzee . MJ >> 1902 . 06-Jun . Rossouw . J . van Niekerk . N >> 1902 . 17-Jun . Vinic . FJ . van Staaden . ACM >> 1902 . 27-Aug . Ross . JG . Robertson (Robarts) . J >> 1902 . 04-Nov . Webb . S . Smithdore . C >> 1903 . 26-May . Moore . EJ . Kidson . EJ >> 1903 . 27-Nov . Rayner . CT . Hutchons . AM >> 1904 . 09-Mar . Holder . AP . Jordaan . AC >> 1904 . 03-May . van Zyl . GG . van den Heever . AM >> 1904 . 27-Aug . Boyce . D . Rabbie . SW >> 1904 . 01-Oct . Kruger . J . Nepgen . AS >> 1905 . 15-May . Jordaan . WJ . Roberts . A >> 1905 . 07-Nov . Gunning . JR . de Bruin . EM >> 1906 . 10-Jan . Kokot . MF . Jenkinson . SM >> 1906 . 19-Sep . Kruger . HS . van der Berg . AP >> 1906 . 01-Dec . Stenlake . JH . Jordaan . E >> 1907 . 29-Apr . van Staden . CP . van de Venter . SME >> 1907 . 10-Dec . Wagenaar . NJ . van Zyl . SJ >> 1908 . 25-Aug . Katzen . H . Lewin . HH >> 1908 . 14-Dec . Kemm . RL . Dutton . M >> 1909 . 19-Apr . Harding . TR . Kirton . OL >> 1909 . 16-Aug . Boucher . J . Coetzee . CCJ >> 1910 . 28-Jun . Williams . D . Minnaar . E >> 1910 . 12-Nov . Kattey . L . Minnaar . E >> 1910 . 15-Nov . van Heerden . JP . Wannenburg . JEP >> 1910 . 15-Dec . Venter . JA . Slabbert . AC >> 1911 . 07-Jan . Breedzke . CF . Grobler . AJ >> 1911 . 18-Aug . Stern . M . Aufrichtig . C >> 1911 . 04-Oct . Moolman . PL . Myburgh . AM >> 1911 . 09-Oct . Nepgen . HC . Smith . ML >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

INDEX TO CAPE PROVINCE DEATH CERTIFICATES for BEDFORD, 1895 on www.familysearch.org TO VIEW DOCUMENTS: 1. Under browse by location, click on Africa 2. Click on South Africa, Cape Province, Civil Deaths, 1895-1972 3. Click on Browse through 2,216,270 images 4. Click on 1895 5. Click on Bedford 6. Enter desired image # in Image # box 1 Cornelia Aletta FENWICK 15 William BODDINGTON 18 Unnamed son of Hans Jurgens MOOLMAN 19 Jozaf Frederich BECK 21 William WARD 26 Williem Andries NEL 39 William John JAMESON 40 Catharine Wilhelmina VAN DER NEST 43 Septimus Bourchier BOWKER 50 Anthony Bernard MEYER 52 Susanna W.C. DURANDT born VAN AARDT 56 Emily Ann McMASTER 58 Maria Petronella BOUWER 63 Chaarlton Denton ESTMENT 69 Alfred Walter FITCHET 75 Richard TEE 76 Willem Abraham VAN DER VYVER 89 Jane Elizabeth Maria FITCHET 93 Franz SMITH 101 Frans Stephanus DE KLERK 105 Unnamed daughter of G LOTTERING 107 Pieter Andries HUMPHRIES 109 Margaret BIRBECK 118 Unnamed son of Mason BIRBECK (child of 109) 122 Fred ALLISON 125 Lueta? Maria DU PREEZ 127 Joseph LANGLEY 129 Charles Pincham WEBBER 137 Unnamed son of WC BOCK 141 Unnamed daughter of EL MEYER 142 Rachel Petronella BOUWER born HOLTZHAUZEN 163 Emma Sarah FOURIE Moyra Joyce Bedford moyraj@r63.co.za

Thanks Marius for filling in some gaps re WATERS. This whole lot is confusing as you are right three families kept on marrying cousins!! I had a note: William Edwin WATERS*8 April 1892 died 2 Dec 1970(source East and Southern Cape Burial/cremation records 2012 EC Eggsa) X Martha Ann GODFREY *11.04.1891 died 07.01.1973. Dont know if this is the William WATERS who is the older brother of Millicent Derenda and son of Hannah? Will check it out as the dates fit(parents married 6 Aug 1890) and the only other William's I can find were born too early. NB The other thing is that I found our John Henry WATERS linked to the other WATERS: Thomas WATERS * 1833 X Lucy GODFREY. Their daughter Mary Jane WATERS married into the LISHER family! She married Phillip LISHER 7 years before his sister Emily LISHER married George GRAVETT in 1890.Aaargh! See: "Philip was born May 8, 1855. Philip was baptised June 24, 1855 at King William's Town, Eastern Cape, South Africa. Philip and Mary WATERS [43480] were married April 24, 1883 at "Barville Park" Church (Wesleyan), "Barville Park", Port Alfred (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa by Rev William Holford. *****Witnesses: John Henry Waters, Sarah Ann Waters, Emily Matilda Lisher(source Hugo Slater)" Cheri -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marius Kock Sent: Monday, 7 January 2013 6:48 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] HISTORY OF KENTON-ON-SEA & SETTLER FAMILIES - WATERS/Gravett Hi, Cheri Truly a confusing lot, the Waters' - to make it more complicated, there was some intermarriage. Regarding George GRAVETT & Hannah WATERS, I have 6 children (including the stillborn): Louisa Millicent b1860 Jane b about 1865 Hannah Derenda b1870 Edwin George b1871 Mildred Harriet Best b1877 Unknown 1880 I did some further research into our Hannah WATERS and believe that she was actually from Shalbourne in (then) Berkshire and came to ZA with her parents Job and Mary on the ship Zenobia in 1850. Sources: "Aided Immigration from Britain to South Africa 1857 to 1867" - Esme Bull & 1841 census. So I have the children: Thomas b. 1833 d. 1916 Charles b. 1835 d. 1922 Ann b. 1838 d. 1883 Hannah b. 1841 d. 1880 Eli b. 1850 (died on the ship) Sarah b. 1854 d. 1929 I'm certain of three (of your 10) children of John Henry WATERS and Hannah Derenda GRAVETT: Millicent Derenda (my grandmother) - she married a MARAIS Hubert Owen "Manzi" b. 1912 d. 2005 (he was the only WATERS of this line that I met myself & I have a photograph of his grave) Beatrice - married a SCHEEPERS Then my mom says she's sure her mom also had a sister Jane who lived in Pietermaritzburg, but "they (John and Hannah) had lots of children" Thomas WATERS b. 1833 (who married Lucy GODFREY) was one of Hannah's brothers (see above). The Charles could have been his brother. My biggest mystery is John Henry WATERS - lots of information on him, except family! Thanks, Marius On 7 January 2013 18:34, Cheri Marshall <cherim@tpg.com.au> wrote: > Hi Graham and Marius > I have been away so am a bit behind the discussion on GRAVETT /WATERS > > Going back through all the old notes from Val and Becky and Tessa. I have 7 > children from the marriage to Hannah(X 7 Dec 1859...Hannah was just 18 )and > six children to the second wife Emily LISHER whom he married 31 Jul 1890. > I have a total of 13 children. I have a seventh child as a stillborn just > before the 1880 child where both mother and child die. I have no idea who > gave me this info as I have it listed as "family sources" and then forgot > to > list who actually gave me that info. (so of course it could be wrong) > His burial details state that he was 99 years and 6 days old in 1922( died > 22 oct 1922 source: East and southern cape Burial and cremation records > 2012) > So he married Hannah at age 36 and married Emily LISHER at age 67 and 79 > years old when his last child Ronald Gravett was born 7 mar 1902(source > Estelle Gravett see emails mar 2001). Wow energetic man ! > > I have no idea how the WATERs family is connected. I seem to have three > different lots ...see your email dated 11 nov...I have made no progress at > all with this family. > 1) as Hannah WATERS * 1841 and first wife of George came from Cornwall: > ame: Hannah Waters > gender: Female > baptism/christening date: 10 Jan 1843 > baptism/christening place: LADOCK,CORNWALL,ENGLAND > birth date: 14 Feb 1841 > birthplace: > death date: > name note: > race: > father's name: Thomas Waters > father's birthplace: > father's age: > mother's name: Ann(she was MUGFORD) > mother's birthplace: > mother's age: > indexing project (batch) number: P00170-2 > system origin: England-ODM > source film number: 231924 > reference number: > > 2) Then John Henry WATERS born 1869 who X your Hannah Derenda GRAVETT... > parents .unable to find parents details but I have 10 children..basically a > composition of Tessa's email and then a few other emails and lots of > questions. I think Hubert Kenneth is the younger brother to Millicent > Derenda.I am not convinced that some children don't belong to the other > lot > of GRAVETTS.(William/James /Ivy/Grant /Amy/Beatrice/ Millicent/Hubert > Kenneth/Vera/George). I have no idea if this is correct. They all need to > be > checked. > > 3)Thomas WATERS born 1833 who X Lucy GODFREY...no parents but a Jane WATERS > and a Charles WATERS present at the marriage.No other details. > > Sorry but my WATERS lines need work as I have no idea if these three people > are connected. > > Regards > Cheri