good on yer Eira. Obviously someone very ignorant and GOK there are so many of them but they THINK they know better. Pat Frykberg -------------------------------------------------- From: "Eira Makepeace" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 9:46 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [ZA-EC] Rant... > I want to rant about the importation of my family data undertaken at no > little expense by me in London and elsewhere by people who have downloaded > my data from Geni and have placed it on My Heritage where for a fee I can > view my own research. I know the data is in the public domain and to that > extent does not belong to me but what I loath are the ignorant errors made > by those who download the data. For example, Quakers did not use the days > or months of the year as did the non-Quakers in England and could have > noted a birth as occurring on the 'third day of the seventh month' and > now > by the downloaders as the 3rd of July' whereas prior to 1752, the seventh > month was called September by non-Quakers. I would like these people to > care enough about genealogy to be aware that any second-hand data should > always be verified before posting online and not to pass off the research > as their own. > > Grr. > > Eira > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3705/6652 - Release Date: 03/04/14 >

Hi I also have some of my data on those sites, but just enough to help me make connections with others doing the same research. I put in a deliberate mistake or 2 when I use these open sites. I regularly receive mails from people pointing out tbese mistakes and by doing so I come into contact with relatives I often never knew about. Just last year alone I made contact with 4 2nd cousins and we had a very fruitfull exchange of info. Simone Sent from Samsung Mobile -------- Original message -------- From: Pat Frykberg <[email protected]> Date:04/03/2014 23:50 (GMT+02:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Rant... good on yer Eira. Obviously someone  very ignorant and GOK there are so many of them but they THINK they know better. Pat Frykberg -------------------------------------------------- From: "Eira Makepeace" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 9:46 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [ZA-EC] Rant... > I want to rant about the importation  of my family data undertaken at no > little expense by me in London and elsewhere by people who have downloaded > my data from Geni and have placed it on My Heritage where for a fee I can > view my own research. I know the data is in the public domain and to that > extent does not belong to me but what I loath are the ignorant errors made > by those who download the data. For example, Quakers did not use the days > or months of the year as did the non-Quakers in England and could have > noted a birth as occurring on the  'third day of the seventh month' and > now > by the downloaders as the 3rd of July' whereas prior to 1752, the seventh > month was called September by non-Quakers. I would like these people to > care enough about genealogy to be aware that any second-hand data should > always be verified before posting online and not to pass off the research > as their own. > > Grr. > > Eira > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3705/6652 - Release Date: 03/04/14 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thursday, March 1, 1883   BIRTH,- At Queenstown, on Feb. 28th, the wife of D. NICHOLSON, of a Daughter.   Tuesday, March 6, 1883   In the Estate of the late William TRENNERY. The undersigned having been duly elected to and confirmed in the appointment of Executor Dative, Notice is hereby given to all persons claiming to be Creditors in the above Estate, that they are requested to file their Claims with the undersigned at Maclear, or at the Office of Mr. Attorney A.D. WEBB, in Queenstown, within Six Weeks from this date, and all persons indebted to the same to pay within the same period. For Wm. ALLEN, Executor Dative. A.D. WEBB. Queesntwon, 6th March, 1883   The Murder of Mrs. LEPPAN. The Somerset East Advertiser gives a report of the preliminary examination held prior to the committal of LEPPAN for train for the murder of his wife. At the close of the investigation prisoner was asked if he anything to say, and was cautioned in the usual manner that whatever he did say would be written down.  He made a very lengthy declaration to the effect that he left for Rwagershoek via Pretoria, on the 14th of this month that in consequence of hearing that his child was ill, he returned on the 19th, when he found an envelope on the table addressed to ----.  This aroused his suspicion, and during the evening, when his wife refused to hand him the keys of her desk, he took to beating her with the sjambok doubled.  He was, he said, not aware that he had no ill motive or intention of taking her life, and that he was therefore not guilty of wilful murder. Prisoner was then committed for trial on a charge of wilful murder, and taken to gaol. We may mention that prisoner requested to be tried at the Circuit Court to be held here on the 8th of March. The deceased lady was the eldest daughter of Mr. T. KYD of Murraysburg, late Professor of the Gill College here, and much sympathy is expressed for the family under the sad bereavement.  She was barely 22 years of age, and leaves two little children. Her brother, Mr. R. KYD, clerk to the Resident Magistrate of Cradock, arrived on Tuesday evening;  the other members of the family being to far distant to come. The funeral took place on Wednesday, at 11 a.m., and was very numerously attended, considering that the preliminary examination of her husband was being conducted at the same time.   Thursday, March 8, 1883   A Sad accident is reported by the Worcester Advertiser to have happened on Monday at Hex River East.  Mr. David FALCONER, a gentleman, lately arrived from Scotland, in outspanning his horses, tied the riem of the horses round his wrist, when the animals suddenly took fright, dragged the unfortunate man about, kicking him and fracturing his skull.  Medical assistance was of no avail.  Mr. FALCONER, who in the short time he has been in the Colony has made many friends, died early on Tuesday morning.  The corpse was brought by train to Worcester, and taken to the residence of the Rev. Mr. ESSELEN, from where the funeral proceeded yesterday to the burying place.  Many people are in the habit of tying the reims of their horses round their wrist when outspanning but from the above it will be seen how dangerous this practice is.   FATAL SNAKE BITE.- A Mr. Hendrik FICK, residing on a farm of Mr. P.E. KRUGER’s, of Somerset East district, died a few days ago from the effects of a snake-bite.  The deceased was in the veld, and in attempting to extract honey from a bees’ nest, was bitten in the forefinger of the right hand by a snake, which lay in the nest.  The reptile had such a firm hold that Mr. FICK had some difficulty in shaking it off.  He rode home immediately, a distance of twenty minutes on horseback, and although the usual remedies in such cases were tried, he died in three hours time.   Tuesday, March 13, 1883   BIRTH,- At Cathcart, on the 8th inst., the Wife of Mr. J.M. TURVEY of a Daughter.   SUICIDE THROUGH LOVE.- On the night of last Sunday week a terrible occurrence transpired at Herbertsdale in the Mossel Bay district.  An American carpenter of respectable connection, John Augustus DORRENT by name, carried on business as a carpenter and joiner on the farm of Mr. SWART, who in addition to farming did, as many Dutch persons do, a good deal of carpentering on the farm.  DORRENT had been 18 months thus engaged, and fell in love with Hester SWART, a girl just over fourteen years of age.  The young man took a dose of corrosive sublimate, lay down in an outer room of SWART’s house and died.  An inquest was held by the Magistrate at which several witnesses were examined, among them Mr. SWART, who stated that he had dispensed with the services of deceased and they parted.  After he left he found a letter he had written to his daughter.  The following is one of the letters to Miss SWART – “Ask some one to write on a plank these few lines;  J.A.D., born 16th November, 1853, and died 18th February, 1883, poisoned for the love of a woman.”  Verdict:- Deceased, John Augustus DORRENT, committed suicide by taking poison called corrosive sublimate.   THE MURDER AT HOOPSTAD.- A warrant has been issued by the Landdrost of Hoopstad for the apprehension of Charles SMITH alias Jack SAVAGE, charged with having murdered the THOMSON family on the 23rd January last, says the Friend.  SMITH is described as an Irishman, about 28 years old, slender build, with brown hair, clean shaven, marks on his forehead as if scorched by gunpowder, mark on one of his cheeks, and a woman tattooed on his left arm.   SUICIDE OF A BARMAN. Much excitement prevails in De Beer’s through the information received by Mr. F.A. COTTY, that a young man named, Steven PENN, formerly employed by him as a barman, had committed suicide by shooting himself with a revolver at Kareeboom Farm, in the Free State.  PENN worked as overseer in the claims of Messrs. COTTY Brothers, but subsequently worked as barman up to a few weeks since, when he left for the abovementioned farm.  He returned last Saturday, and bade good-bye to his De Beer friends, with the intention of going to the Transvaal.  It appears, however, he only went back to Mr. Otto LEVY’s farm, which is some nine miles distant form Kimberley, and commenced trading with the farmers in the neighbourhood, with one of whom he quarrelled over the price of some eggs, which seemingly preyed upon his mind.  On Tuesday evening he asked to see Miss LEVY, saying, “I want to bid her good-bye, for I am going to shoot myself.”  This request was not complied with, neither was any heed paid to what was said.  Shortly afterwards two shots were heard, but even then no notice was taken of the threat.  In the morning PENN’s body was found lying in the veldt, about 400 yards from Mr. LEVY’s house, showing that the fatal affair was done in a most determined manner, as one bullet grazed the forehead, while the other was lodged in the breast.  There is no doubt that the deceased man’s brain was uneven, as when working at the De Beer’s he was frequently heard to say he would shoot himself.  The deceased man has a brother who works as a digger on the river, and he arrived in Kimberley just a short time before the sad news, and at once set off for the scene of the dreadful calamity. – Independent.   Thursday, March 15, 1883   The late Mr. W. MORRIS.- The Alice Times announces the death of Mr W MORRIS of that town, who was one of the original grantees of the Queenstown district, the ground now forming the township and commonage of Cathcart having been occupied by deceased, but was given up for another, when Government required the land for military purposes.  Mr MORRIS resided for many years at Lily Vale, close to Queen’s Town and always took a lively interest in the affairs of both town and district in the early days of settlement.  Mr MORRIS had been suffering from ashma for some time, but ultimately died from an attack of inflammation in the internal parts.  Deceased was a son of Mr John MORRIS, one of the British Settlers of 1820, and was a lad of nine years old when the party landed, and had thus attained the age of 71 years and 4 months.  He was a man of great energy and force of character, and took an active part in many of the most stirring incidents of frontier life.  He had brought up a large family all of whom are grown to manhood.  The Rev. James MORRIS, of the Umtata, Transkei Mr W.J. MORRIS, of Xlanga Magistracy, Mr Geo MORRIS of Queenstown district, are sons of the deceased  His three daughters are Mrs J.G. WEBSTER, Mrs. J. R. THOMPSON, and Mr E.J. TWEENY  The funeral took place last week.  Two of Mr MORRIS’ and a large number of friends followed the remains to their last resting place in the Alice cemetery.  The service in the Wesleyan Chapel was conducted by the Revds J. WILSON and R.H. BROTHERTON.  The 49th hymn was also sang.  The Rev J. WILSON conducted the service at the grave, and Dr STEWART pronounced the benediction.   Tuesday, March 20, 1883   BIRTH,- At Philipton, on the 13th March, the Wife of Rev. T.G. JONES, of Hackney, of a Daughter.   Friday March 23, 1883   MARRIED,- On the 15th instant, by Special Licence, at St. Michael’s Church. Queenstown, by the Rev. VYVYAN, Charles KOCH, to Jessie FALKENBERG, widow of the late C. FALKENBERG, Esq.   Tuesday March 27, 1883   BIRTH,- At Queenstown, on the 22nd March, the Wife of G. BARNES, Jun., Lausanne, of a Daughter.

  Saturday, February 3, 1883   MARRIED,- At Fort Beaufort on Thursday 25th inst., W.D. BENTLY, son of T.H. BENTLEY, Esq., Tylden, to Miss S. ELLIOTT, daughter of N. ELLIOTT, Esq., Fort Beaufort.  No Cards.   Tuesday, February 6, 1883   EXECUTION OF A MURDERER.- A correspondent sends the following:- The execution of Adam FREDERICKS, a Hottentot, for the murder of Mr. LAWMAN, at Slagter’s Neck, took place at Somerset East on Monday morning, at half-past 7 o’clock.  About 7 a.m. the black flag waived from the staff within the goal, and very shortly a large number of coloured people collected outside the prison.  The prisoner walked to the scaffold with a firm step, and to outward appearance not realising his awful position.  He was attended on the scaffold by the Rev. Mr. OATES, minister of the coloured congregation here, and by Mr. DIEPERINK, editor of a Dutch paper in this place.  Both gentlemen read and prayed with the condemned man, who, during the words spoken, betrayed no signs of fear, but rather seemed to betray a stolid indifference to what was about to happen.  After the words of consolation  addressed to him, the two gentlemen shook him by the hand, the Rev. Mr. OATES asking him “if he had found Christ and grace,”  to which he replied “yes.”  They then left him to his fate, and in a few moments he suffered the full penalty of the law.   FATAL ACCIDENT.- We regret to hear that a man named BILLINGHURST, a contractor on the Colesberg Extension, was accidentally killed a few days ago.  It appears that on the arrival of the engine, with a long train of trucks at Zoutpansdrift, the man was missed, and about an hour and a half afterwards a following train was signalled to stop by some platelayers, who had found the man lying by the rails, with both leet broken and so injured that he died before reaching Zoutpansdrift.  The supposition is that he fell off between the trucks, the wheels of which went over him.   Thursday, February 8, 1883   MARRIED,- On the 7th February, by the Rev. James THOMPSON, B.A,, by special license, William Robert, fifth son of the late G.F. BLACKBEARD, Esq., of Grahamstown, to Annie, second daughter of Capt. J. BOLTON, of Whitstable, Kent, England.- No Cards. MARRIED,- On the 6th February, in the Presbyterian and Congregational Church, Queenstown, by the father of the bridegroom, Alfred, youngest son of the Rev. H.H. DUGMORE, to Sarah Jane (“Dollie”) eldest daughter of Ralph John GODDARD, Esq., of Queenstown.- No Cards.   Thursday, February 15, 1883   BRUTAL AND WHOLESALE MURDER NEAR HOOPSTAD.- News has reached Bloemfontein of a most horrible murder having been committed in the Middenveld, about 5 or 6 hours from Hoopstad.  It appears that a Mr. THOMPSON, who had a wife and three children, kept a shop on a farm, about an hour from Nauhaus’s.  The report brought into town of this awful affair by Boers from the neighbourhood, differs somewhat from the telegram received by Government from the landdrost of Hoopstad, via Boshof, published below.  They say that some of the neighbouring farmers went on the 23rd instant to the shop of the unfortunate man, THOMPSON to buy some necessaries.  They were surprised to find the store closed.  On going to the door they discovered a pool of blood on or near the doorstep.  They broke in at the window and saw THOMPSON lying with a pillow on his head, but could not tell whether he was dead or not.  The body of Mrs. THOMPSON was lying close to her husband.  The neighbours forces the door open and found that both Mr and Mrs. THOMPSON had been brutally murdered by being knocked on the head and stabbed about the body.  An infant of 3 months old was also killed, and a child of about 4 years of age was badly wounded, but not dead.  A little girl about 9 was missing.  The neighbours immediately attended to the child that is still alive, and sent at once to Hoopstad and the fieldcornet to report the state of affairs.  The child revived so far as to be able to state that two black men committed the awful tragedy.  The landdrost, however, says nothing about the child being wounded, and nothing about natives.  He mentions, the Friend believes, the name of a white man who is suspected.  This is what he telegraphed:- “A bloody murder took place in the night of the 23rd inst., on the farm Kalkpoort, on the boundary of the district.  Mr, THOMPSON, wife and child were brutally murder.ed.  Have apprehended persons on suspicion – am busy tracing culprits.  Please offer reward in the Gazette.”  The Government have issued a warrant and offered a reward of £50 for the apprehension of the murderer or murderers.   Tuesday February 20, 1883   SHOCKING TRAGEDY IN CAPETOWN. MURDER, ATTEMPTED MURDER, AND ATTEMPTED SUICIDE. A tragic occurrence took place on Saturday night, at No. 19, Caledon-street, when a white man, of the name of John Peter NELSON, murdered his infant child, attempted te murder his wife. And attempted to commit suicide.  The details of the horrible story are not yet fully known, and can only be ascertained by the story of the unfortunate wife, who is the only person who can really give any distinct narrative of the circumstances which led her husband to the committal of the crime which he has perpetrated.  The outlines of the occurrence are, however, very clear and simple, and have been corroborated by the wife herself as being something to the following effect.  Shortly after ten o’clock on the night in question, some of the neighbours in the vicinity of NELSON’s house, which is directly opposite the grocery store of Mr. PFUHL in Caledon:street, at its junction with Canterbury street, were startled by the loud cries of “murder! Murder!  He has murdered my child!”  in a woman’s voice, proceeding from the house, above mentioned.  A rush was immediately made to the door which was discovered to be locked, and this necessitated a resort to the window, which was suddenly thrown up, and the agitated and terrified wife leapt out into the street, and hurriedly narrated that her husband had murdered her child.  Some hesitation was at first felt by those present to enter the house, but at length three gentlemen arming themselves with sticks, to be used in case of emergency, entered through the window into the front room, where all was found to be quiet, but the articles of furniture greatly disordered.  A quantity of blood was discovered upon the bedclothes and on the floor, and a track leading out in the passage, when followed up, conducted the three gentlemen to the kitchen, where the man was found extended upon his back upon the floor, with the dead child upon his left arm.  The throat of the child, a girl of some two years of age, was cut in a most frightful manner, close to the junction of the neck with the body, right away through to the bone at the back of the neck, the knife having severed the carotid arteries, the jugular vein, and everything else, almost severing the head from the trunk of the body.  The wound was so deep that death must have been almost instantaneous, though when first discovered it is said that there were still some signs of life in the body, which was drawn up in contortions.  The man himself had cut his throat, not so much under the chin in the vicinity of the jugular vein, but rather more to the side under the jaw, and the injuries were rather more the result of a flesh wound than otherwise.  The floor of the kitchen was deluged with blood, which was scattered too in ghastly pools in other portions of the house.  The child and the mother having been removed to the house of Mrs. TURNBULL, her sister, who resides in the neighbourhood, Drs, ROSS, FALKINER, and FISK were sent for to attend to the man’s wound, information of the circumstances also being despatched to the Resident Magistrate.  On the arrival of DR. FALKINER, and subsequently of Dr. FISK, the man was removed into the front room, where his wounds were attended to, and he was subsequently left there in charge of two police constables.  The Resident Magistrate arrived upon the scene of the tragedy at about half-past eleven, and proceeded to inquire into the circumstances of the case.  NELSON himself was perfectly conscious during the night, acknowledging one of his friends, and it is said that on being interrogated as to the motive which induced him to act as he had done, he replied that he was desirous of “sweeping off the whole lot.”  Shortly after the occurrence took place, the street was rendered almost impassible owing to the number of people who congregated round the house.  The man NELSON was removed in a cab to the new Somerset Hospital at about twelve o’clock on Sunday morning.  On his arrival there, however, he was pronounced to be in no danger of his life, and it was recommended that he should be removed to the gaol, as at the hospital he could not meet with such constant supervision in order to prevent him from proceeding to any rash measure to rid himself of life.  To the gaol then he was accordingly removed, and there he will be under constant surveillance of a police-constable.  From what can be ascertained, it appears that on Saturday night the prisoner showed signs of a restless spirit by constantly shifting about and altering the position of the furniture in the house.  At about ten o’clock he left his wife upon the bed, endeavouring to compose the little child to sleep, and proceeded into the kitchen where he obtained a long strait knife, with which he intended to commit the diabolical crime.  He suddenly returned to the bed-room, and accosted his wife with some words to the effect that he intended to make away with her, and following up his words, he endeavoured to cut her throat.  Springing up she screamed for help and struggled with her husband in order to obtain possession of the knife, receiving several cuts in the attempt.  Her attempts seems to have been unavailing and her husband suddenly picking up the child from the bed cut its throat with the knife he had obtained, the unfortunate women having wrested the knife away, then seems to have flown to the door, and in her terror seems to have lost her presence of mind, rendering her totally incapable of unlocking it.  From the door she rushed to the window, by which she escaped, as we have already narrated.  The husband of late has been employed as a driver of one of the railway engines in the docks.  He is said to have been a steady man until some time ago he lost a child, which apparently upset him and unhinged his mind.  This appeared to have preyed upon him that he became morbid and melancholy, and a resort to hard drinking stimulated these morbid ideas, which at length completely gained possession of his mind... – Cape Times.   SUICIDE.- Last Sunday week a native, named Willem GAIKA, committed suicide at the Location, Port Alfred, by hanging himself.  He effected it by means of a woollen scarf tied twice round his neck, and then attached to the end of a piece of chain suspended from the top of the hut.  No reason has yet been assigned for the rash and insane act.   Thursday February 22, 1883   A MAN named John RYAN has been killed at Natal through falling under the wheels of a tramcar.  He was endeavouring to get on the car whilst it was in motion.   SUICIDE IN CAPE TOWN.- It was reported by Mr. Avendale JONES, residing with his parents at No, 31, Mechau-street, that his father, Mr. George JONES, had hanged himself to the frame of the door in the kitchen by means of a pocket handkerchief on Tuesday.  It appeared that the son arrived at home about 12.15 p.m., when he found his father in the position indicated.  He immediately cut him down and sent for Dr. ROSS and the Resident Magistrate, life being however, perfectly extinct.  The body was removed shortly afterwards to the New Somerset Hospital.   THE MISSING SCHOOLMASTER.- Some weed ago we reported that a schoolmaster named Antonie GENTZ, had been lost in attempting to cross the Baviaan’s Kloof mountain.  We are now requested to contradict a report that the body of the missing man had been found, killed by lightning.  A most earnest search was made but no traces of the missing man found. – Times.   Tuesday February 27, 1883   FATAL ACCIDENT IN THE KIMBERLEY MINE.- An overseer in the employ of the French Company, named MORAN, we regret to say, lost his life on Monday afternoon, through falling from a tub, whilst he was coming out of the Kimberley Mine.

Hi Antoinette, I'm afraid the information I have on the SAUNDERS family is quite sketchy as they are not directly related to me; it's a distant link through marriage which is why I have their information at all. I don't have any charts...my information is all in one gigantic file.... You may find the information on 1820settlers.com is more comprehensive than the information I have. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Accounts IBF" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:27 AM Subject: [ZA-EC] John Edward Saunders of Port Elizabeth > Tombi > > Do you have a chart for the Saunders side that you mention? I am trying to > trace my husband's grandfather's family and have not been able to find out > who his father might be as nothing is mentioned on his death notice or in > his estate files. No one in the family seems to know either as all the > "old > timers" have passed away. > > His name was John Edward Saunders and he was from Port Elizabeth. DOB : > (estimated) 5 December 1886 DOD : 5 September 1953. > > Any info which could lead to a discovery would be appreciated. > > Antoinette Saunders > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tombi > Peck > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 10:33 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD, 07.08.1999 > > I'm not able to say whether or not the link is to the TROLLIP family you > are > > thinking of. > If it helps his wife's name was Mildred Grobler TROLLIP daughter of > Anthony > George TROLLIP and Annie Florence SAUNDERS who in turn was the son of > Joshua > > TROLLIP and Rhoda'Ann' COLLETT. > best wishes, > Tombi Peck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moyra Joyce" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:09 AM > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD, 07.08.1999 > > >> Hi Tombi, are they part of the TROLLIP family? >> >> Moyra Joyce >> Bedford > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I want to rant about the importation of my family data undertaken at no little expense by me in London and elsewhere by people who have downloaded my data from Geni and have placed it on My Heritage where for a fee I can view my own research. I know the data is in the public domain and to that extent does not belong to me but what I loath are the ignorant errors made by those who download the data. For example, Quakers did not use the days or months of the year as did the non-Quakers in England and could have noted a birth as occurring on the 'third day of the seventh month' and now by the downloaders as the 3rd of July' whereas prior to 1752, the seventh month was called September by non-Quakers. I would like these people to care enough about genealogy to be aware that any second-hand data should always be verified before posting online and not to pass off the research as their own. Grr. Eira

Morning all, I am helping my cousin trace information on her grandparents, Evelyn Antoinette Kenny-Levick (not sure of the spelling) and she had Henry Charles PAPENFUS, but I found on NAAIRS that there was a Henkrik Frederick Major PAPENFUS. We would like to know if KENNY-LEVICK or Le VICK/Le VECK is her Evelyn Antoinette's maiden name. I have searched what I could, but to no avail. Evelyn Antoinette was born 22 March 1902 and died in 1991 in Sabi. Not sure where she was born. Hendrik Frederick PAPENFUS died in 1976 according to NAAIRS. Their daughter Patricia Alicia Consuela PAPENFUS born 1920 and died 2001 in Nelspruit. She married John SANDS, born 1918 in India. Please can you assist with more information on Evelyn and either Henry Charles or Hendrik Frederick. Thank you, Glynis

Hi Tombi, Do you have ancestry for Annie Florence, please? Thanks. Marielle -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tombi Peck Sent: 04 March 2014 10:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD, 07.08.1999 I'm not able to say whether or not the link is to the TROLLIP family you are thinking of. If it helps his wife's name was Mildred Grobler TROLLIP daughter of Anthony George TROLLIP and Annie Florence SAUNDERS who in turn was the son of Joshua TROLLIP and Rhoda'Ann' COLLETT. best wishes, Tombi Peck

Hi Marielle, I have Annie Florence SAUNDERS born 8 December 1864 Cape of Good Hope died 28 March 1928, Union of South Africa. She and George Trollip had 10 children that I have listed with birth dates for the first 8 of them. I have Annie Florence SAUNDERS' parents as Edward SAUNDERS and Rhoda Phoebe TROLLIP. His parents I have listed as Enos Saunders born abt 1807, Shoreditch, London, England died Unknown married about 1830 Mary SUTTON (no dates). Their children were: 1. Edward SAUNDERS (as above born about 1836 Pearston, Eastern Cape of Good Hope died 15 April 1877; 2. Joseph SAUNDERS (no dates, no spouse listed); 3. William SAUNDERS (no dates, no spouse listed), 4. Henry 'Harry' SAUNDERS (no dates married Annie Amelia THOMPSON (no dates).... they had 6 children: (a) Francis Henry SAUNDERS born 14 September 1873, Christening 17 May 1874 St. John the Evangelist, Winterberg, Fort Beaufort, Eastern Cape of Good Hope no date of death; (b) John Yates SAUNDERS born 8 July 1875 Queenstown, Eastern Cape Good Hope Christening 8 August 1875, St. John the Evangelist Church, Winterberg, Fort Beaufort, Eastern Cape of Good Hope; (c) William SAUNDERS no date of birth but the comment that he was killed in the Matebele Rebellion; (d) Pinkie SAUNDERS (that sounds like a nickname to me....I don't know whether this person was male or female and I have not dates for this person); (e) Fanny Charlotte SAUNDERS (no dates) & (f) Alfred SAUNDERS (no dates & no spouse noted). 5. George SAUNDERS (no dates & no spouse noted); 6 Esther SAUNDERS (no dates and no spouse noted) 7 Mary Ann SAUNDERS (no dates) married Francis Parrat (Parrott) Bentley WIGGILL born 14 May 1854 died Unknown. They had 9 children: (a) Katie Annie WIGGILL (no dates) married James CONNLY; (b) Alice Harriet WIGGILL (no dates & no spouse added) (c) Sarah Frances WIGGILL (no dates) married Joseph Oscar WIGGILL son of John Grimes (Graham WIGGILL and Harriet Louisa SAUNDERS) (d) Mary Willamina WIGGILL (no dates & no spouse added) (e) Elizabeth WIGGILL (no dates & no spouse added) (f) Joseph Saunders WIGGILL (no dates) married Jeannie Thomson WEBSTER. (g) Esther WIGGILL (no dates) married Solomon John DAY (No dates) (h) Isabella WIGGILL (no dates) married James SAUNDERS (I) Jessie WIGGILL (no dates - female) Enos SAUNDERS' parents I have listed as John SAUNDERS born about 1794 England died 19 Dec 1825 Eastern Cape of Good Hope & Martha GARFORTH born about 1796 died 4 August 1856, Eastern Cape of Good Hope their children I have listed as (a) Enos SAUNDERS as above born about 1807, Shoreditch, London, England (b) Sarah SAUNDERS born England died Unknown Eastern Cape of Good Hope (c) Louisa SAUNDERS born England died Unknown married Thomas SUTTON. I hope that helps and makes sense! Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marielle Ford" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 10:49 AM Subject: [ZA-EC] SAUNDERS > Hi Tombi, > > Do you have ancestry for Annie Florence, please? > > Thanks. > Marielle > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tombi > Peck > Sent: 04 March 2014 10:33 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD, 07.08.1999 > > I'm not able to say whether or not the link is to the TROLLIP family you > are thinking of. > If it helps his wife's name was Mildred Grobler TROLLIP daughter of > Anthony George TROLLIP and Annie Florence SAUNDERS who in turn was the son > of Joshua TROLLIP and Rhoda'Ann' COLLETT. > best wishes, > Tombi Peck > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there, I have Alfred Arnold d about 1939 married to Blanche Edith Ada Kerr before 1870 daughter of Andrew Kerr 1830-1883 & Mary Jane Caldecott 1842-1909 Wondered if there was any connection? Regards Fay -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dale Thomas Sent: 01 March 2014 08:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] IRISH SETTLERS TO THE CAPE 1820 Hi Graham, I am of Irish descent on my father's side, and would love to know if my Ancestors were amongst the Irish settlers in your book. I intend on purchasing the book if they do feature. John Arnold Esq. , born in Belfast in 1825, was my 3xgreat grandfather. He married Susanna Elizabeth Fischer in 1851 in Cape Town, and they are both buried in East London. This is the only information I have on them - I dont know how they got to S.A at all. Any help in this regard would be greatly appreciated. Many Thanks, Leigh Thomas [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Graham Dickason Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 2:03 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: [ZA-EC] IRISH SETTLERS TO THE CAPE 1820 With consent, much appreciated: The book "Irish Settlers to the Cape" authored by myself, Graham Brian Dickason, is shortly to be published as a facimilie copy of the original. This was first published in 1973 by A.A.Balkema, Cape Town, in their series of South African Biographical and Historical Studies. The book dealt primarily with the Irish Parties of 1820 Settlers. They were to be grouped under John Ingram from Cork; William Scanlan from Longford; Walter Synnot from Armagh and Capt. Butler from Wicklow. Small groups of English settlers, mainly from the London area, were to be joined with those settlers of William Parker of Cork, who was appointed by the Colonial Office as the overall Leader. They were first disembarked at Saldanha Bay and moved inland to their land allotments in Clanwilliam. This year, 2014, marks the 200th Anniversary of Clanwilliam and the book is published to commemorate this historic event. The book is to be published by DFSA Publishers and will retail at R200 per copy. Those interested in puchasing a copy should contact DFSA Publishers at [email protected] or alternatively write to DFSA Publishers, P.O. 1347, SEA POINT 8060 Graham Dickason --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning Could anyone researching the de Villiers family, give me any information on Petrus Jacobus de Villiers, a famer of Bredasdorp who died in 1908 (4 December) at the age of 69 . His birthplace is noted as "CC" ?? His death certificate was signed by P J de Villiers and could be that of a very young person. Any information would be appreciated. Kind regards Sybil ([email protected])

Tombi Do you have a chart for the Saunders side that you mention? I am trying to trace my husband's grandfather's family and have not been able to find out who his father might be as nothing is mentioned on his death notice or in his estate files. No one in the family seems to know either as all the "old timers" have passed away. His name was John Edward Saunders and he was from Port Elizabeth. DOB : (estimated) 5 December 1886 DOD : 5 September 1953. Any info which could lead to a discovery would be appreciated. Antoinette Saunders -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tombi Peck Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 10:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD, 07.08.1999 I'm not able to say whether or not the link is to the TROLLIP family you are thinking of. If it helps his wife's name was Mildred Grobler TROLLIP daughter of Anthony George TROLLIP and Annie Florence SAUNDERS who in turn was the son of Joshua TROLLIP and Rhoda'Ann' COLLETT. best wishes, Tombi Peck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moyra Joyce" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD, 07.08.1999 > Hi Tombi, are they part of the TROLLIP family? > > Moyra Joyce > Bedford

Hi Tombi, are they part of the TROLLIP family? Moyra Joyce Bedford -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tombi Peck Sent: 04 March 2014 07:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD, 07.08.1999 Hi Carol, This transcription enabled me to add a date of death for Leslie PROBERT and add the names of his children and grandchildren (I couldn't sort them out between his children but at least I have all the names noted!). Your hard work (and that of all our 'faithful' transcribers) is much appreciated. Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Beneke" <[email protected]> To: "Rootsweb - E.C." <[email protected]>; "Walter Renze" <[email protected]>; "Sue Mackay" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:29 AM Subject: [ZA-EC] EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD, 07.08.1999 > EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD, > > Port Elizabeth, Saturday, August 7, 1999. > > > > BIRTHS. > > LLOYD. – To Owen and Catherine (nee LISTON), a daughter, Michela Lesley, > born Thursday, August 5, 1999 in Cape Town. Sister to Courtney. > > > > ENGAGEMENYS. > > BURGER. – VAN ZYL. Minty and Gert are pleased to announce the engagement > od Adrian, to Linda, daughter of Gerrie and Yvonne of Margate. > > > > DEATHS. > > BERGMANN. – Phyllis (Corin), passed away on Thursday, August 5, 1999. > Remembered by her husband Barrie. > > BLACK. – Tanya, passed away in Cape Town on July 31, 1999, aged 31. > Mourned by David. > > COETZEE. – Arthur, passed away on Wednesday, August 4, 1999. Remembered by > brothers Ronnie and Neville. > > JONAS. – Mac, passed away on Monday, August 2, 1999. Remembered by > Charmaine, Michael and children; Wendy, Owen, Elton and Tracy. > > PROBERT. – Les, passed away on Thursday, August 5, 1999. Husband of Milly > and father of Barry and Ros, Sharon and Michael and grandfather of Paul, > Nicci and Steven. Remembered by Gavin, June, Peter, Cathy and PACKER > family; Patty. > > PRINCE. – Irvin, passed away tragically on Saturday, July 24, 1999. > Mourned by his father Bennie DANIELS and SAULS family. > > THATCHER. – Carrie, passed away on Thursday, August 5, 1999. To Nigel, > Genna, Camilla and the rest of the family, be strong. Missed by Tessa, > Mike, Amanda and Nicola; niece of Clem and Coral LAWRENCE and family; Ben, > Gail and boys. > > TZEMIS. – Anastasia, passed away on Friday, August 6, 1999 in Cape Town. > Mother of George and Nancy, gran to Gregory, Belinda and Nicky. > > > > FUNERAL NOTICES. > > GQWETHU. – Thethiwe Cynthia, passed away Tuesday, July 27, 1999. The > funeral service will take place today (Saturday), August 7, 1999 from 118 > Zokufa Street, New Brighton, starting at 7.30 am, then 10 am from the AME > Church in Ntshinga Street, New Brighton. > > NEL. – Elryn Lleethan, passed away on Wednesday, August 4, 1999. The > funeral service will take place today (Saturday), August 7, 1999 at 12 > noon, from 38 Wynford Crescent, Salsoneville. Thence to Bethelsdorp > Cemetery. > > PROBERT. – Les. The funeral service will take place today (Saturday), > August 7, 1999 at 12 noon, from the Newton Park Methodist Church. > > > > IN MEMORIAM. > > CRANE. – Arthur, passed away 15 years ago today. Missed by your daughter > Sharmaine and Gavin, Sue-Ellen, Jasmin. > > EBERHARDT. – Tony, passed away 4 years ago today. Remembered by Mom, > Marvin and Colleen. > > GREENWELL. – Stella. The one year anniversary of our wife, mother and > grandmother will be held at the Greek Orthodox Church, Parsons Hill, > tomorrow (Sunday), August 8, 1999 at 10.30 am. > > KOESNELL. – Glen, passed away two years ago. Remembered by Mom, Dad, > brothers, sisters, Shanon, Rochay and son Brendon. > > PRINCE. – Benjamin, passed away August 7, 1998. Remembered by your wife > Lydia; Tamryn, Dane, Danielle, Mummy and Daddy. > > STRAUSS. – Chris, passed away 1 year ago. Remembered by your wife Judith. > > WALDEK. – Maureen. Remembered by your husband Roy and Daughter Theresa > Anne. > > > Transcribed by > Carol BENEKE nee STEWART > Port Elizabeth, South Africa. > 083 482 1482 > [email protected] > ________________________ > Researching: STEWART, STONE, LUKE, OLIVIER, BENEKE, BENECKE, VON BENECKE > and related families. (26 years) > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/Beneke.Benecke.von.Benecke/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Carol, I have been trying to look for a COMPLETE INDEX TO CAPE PROVINCE DEATH CERTIFICATES for East London I see it's not there in the list Kind Regards Siya -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carol Chapman Sent: 04 March 2014 12:04 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: [ZA-EC] (CCD) BREDASDORP 1908 complete COMPLETE INDEX TO CAPE PROVINCE DEATH CERTIFICATES for BREDASDORP 1908 on www.familysearch.org TO VIEW DOCUMENTS: 1. Click on Search located on the top row of the home page 2. Under browse by location, click on Africa 3. Click on South Africa, Cape Province, Civil Deaths, 1895-1972 4. Click on Browse through 2,216,270 images 5. Click on transcribed year, 1908 6. Click on BREDASDORP Surname ; First names ; Images ABRAHAMS ; Helene ; 46 ABRAHAMS ; Carl ; 102 ABRAHAMS ; Lena ; 129 ABRAHAMS ; Letter re No. 129 ; 130 APOLLIS (late ABRAHAMS) formerly FRANS ; Jakoba ; 17 APRIL ; Bernhard ; 134 AREND born DAVIDS ; Christiana ; 28 AREND born WYNGAARD ; Augusta ; 92 ARENDS ; Ferdinand ; 23 ARENDS ; Johannes Jesajes ; 133 AUGUST ; Sofia ; 9 AUGUST ; Izak ; 131 BEHR ; Dorothea Maria ; 33 BEHR ; Dorothea Maria ; 34 BESTER ; Willem Jacobus ; 2 BEUKES ; Anna ; 79 BEUKES ; Letter re No. 79 ; 80 BOTHA ; Ferdinand ; 135 CLEWS ; Henry Richard ; 113 CLOETE ; Christiane Margaretha ; 10 CLOETE ; Letter re No.10 ; 11 CLOETE ; Daniel ; 43 DAVIDS ; Susan Eliza ; 24 DE KOCK ; unnamed child of Servaas Hendrik ; 35 DE VILLIERS ; Petrus Jacobus ; 141 DU TOIT born WESSELS ; Dina Magdalena ; 50 DYER ; Abraham ; 85 EKSTEEN ; Maria ; 38 EKSTEEN ; John Michael ; 49 EKSTEEN ; Henry ; 140 ENGEL ; Teofilus Jakobus ; 83 ENGEL ; Cornelius Timotheus ; 116 EUROPA ; Letter re J EUROPA ; 99 EZAU ; Jakoba ; 15 EZAU ; Emilia ; 16 FICK born SWART ; Elizabeth ; 39 FOURIE ; Jacobus Johannes ; 7 FOURIE ; Gertruida Cornelia Susana ; 27 FOURIE ; Elizabeth Lourentia ; 96 FOURIE ; Christian ; 137 GELDENHUYS ; Hendrik Enduro ; 3 GELDENHUYS ; Elias Jacobus ; 5 GELDENHUYS ; Jurie Johannes ; 31 GELDENHUYS ; Margaritha Susara Elizabeth ; 54 GELDENHUYS ; Letter re No. 54 ; 55 GELDENHUYS ; Johanna Magdalena ; 72 GELDENHUYS ; Letter re No. 72 ; 73 GELDENHUYS ; Maria Catharina Magdalena ; 76 GELDENHUYS ; Letter re No. 76 ; 77 GELDENHUYS ; Elias Jacobus ; 120 GERTSE ; Francina ; 127 GERTSE ; Letter re No. 128 ; 128 GILIOMEE ; Martha Hendrika Magdalena ; 115 GROENEWALD ; Christoffel ; 78 GROENEWALD ; Christian Markus ; 94 GROENEWALD ; Petrus Arnoldus Jacobus ; 121 HENDRIKS ; Andrias ; 95 HESS ; Aaron ; 91 HOOGBAARD ; Demas ; 138 JANTJES ; Maria Margert Marltina ; 18 JANURIE ; Willemina ; 74 JOHANNES ; Manuel Simon ; 30 JOHANNES ; Amalia ; 81 JONAS ; Herman ; 75 KABEVA ; Maria ; 118 KAPOT ; Unnamed child of Lydia ; 126 KEBEWA ; Aaron ; 123 KEBEWA ; Letter re No. 123 ; 124 KUHN ; Sleina ; 101 LEONARD ; Maud Beatrice ; 40 LEONARD ; Letter re No. 40 ; 41 LOOCK ; Maria Elizabeth ; 14 MATTHEE ; Dirk Hermanus ; 32 MATTHEE ; Maria Francina Elizabeth Magdalena ; 61 MATTHEE ; Letter re No. 61 ; 62 MATTHEE ; Hendrik Johannes ; 125 MELGOE ; Mintoor ; 19 MELGOE ; Mintoor ; 20 MELGOE ; Letter re No. 20 ; 21 MICHAELS ; Piet ; 103 MINTAR ; Margaret ; 12 MINTAR ; unnamed child of Piet ; 87 NEUMAN ; Carolina ; 42 NEUMAN ; Harriet ; 58 NEUMAN ; Annie ; 109 NIEMAND ; Samuel ; 82 OCTOBER ; Johannes Solomon ; 13 OCTOBER ; Marten Louis ; 25 OCTOBER ; Salome Antoinette ; 59 OCTOBER ; Letter re No. 59 ; 60 OCTOBER ; Ernestine ; 104 OCTOBER ; Christiane Jakoba ; 112 OOSTENDORP ; Cornelia ; 119 PALMER ; Thomas ; 8 PICK ; Phillipina ; 37 PIETERS ; Pieter Lukas Johannes ; 57 PIETERS ; Maria Magdalena Van Dinah ; 105 PIETERS ; Letter re No. 105 ; 106 PLATJES ; Achtmoed Maria ; 66 PLATJES ; Letter re No. 66 ; 67 PRESENCE ; Joshua Jacob ; 22 PRINS ; Pieter Jacobus ; 86 ROOPA ; Annie ; 84 ROOPA ; Jean ; 108 SMIT ; Christoffel ; 53 SMYTHE ; Magdalena ; 47 STEENEVELD ; Maria Johanna ; 36 STEENEVELDT ; Gustav ; 107 SWART ; Temmer ; 6 SWART ; Timotheus ; 44 SWART ; Martha Johanna ; 65 SWART ; unnamed child of Dirk ; 68 SWART ; Letter re No. 68 ; 69 SWART ; Letter re No. 68 ; 70 SWART ; Letter re No. 68 ; 71 SWART ; Cornelia M P ; 89 SWART ; Eva Frederika ; 90 SWART ; Johanna Francina ; 100 TALJARD ; Dina Maria Elizabeth ; 4 TEMMER ; Sofia Clara ; 132 THEUNIS ; Magdalena ; 139 TITUS ; Maria ; 48 TOBIAS ; Samuel ; 56 VALENTEIN ; Hendrik ; 51 VALENTEIN ; Letter re No. 51 ; 52 VALENTYN ; Catharina Francina ; 97 VALENTYN ; Letter re No. 97 ; 98 VALTENTYN ; Abraham ; 110 VALTENTYN ; Letter re No. 110 ; 111 VAN BRATVEL ; Maria Susanna ; 117 VAN DE REDE ; Cornelius ; 93 VAN DER HEYDEN ; Cornelia ; 136 VAN DER REDE ; Justina Helena ; 45 VAN DER REDE ; Augusta ; 114 VAN DYK ; Michael ; 1 VAN DYK ; Johanna Catherina ; 29 VILANDER ; unnamed child of Julius ; 63 VILANDER ; Letter re No. 63 ; 64 VILLIERS ; Cathrina ; 122 WESSELS ; Theunia Bernadus Jacobus ; 142 WILDSCHUT ; unnamed child of Stoffel ; 88 WYNGAARD ; Godlief Stefanus ; 26 Transcribed by [Carol Chapman] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm not able to say whether or not the link is to the TROLLIP family you are thinking of. If it helps his wife's name was Mildred Grobler TROLLIP daughter of Anthony George TROLLIP and Annie Florence SAUNDERS who in turn was the son of Joshua TROLLIP and Rhoda'Ann' COLLETT. best wishes, Tombi Peck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moyra Joyce" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD, 07.08.1999 > Hi Tombi, are they part of the TROLLIP family? > > Moyra Joyce > Bedford > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tombi > Peck > Sent: 04 March 2014 07:35 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD, 07.08.1999 > > > Hi Carol, > This transcription enabled me to add a date of death for Leslie PROBERT > and > add the names of his children and grandchildren (I couldn't sort them out > between his children but at least I have all the names noted!). > Your hard work (and that of all our 'faithful' transcribers) is much > appreciated. > Best wishes, > Tombi Peck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carol Beneke" <[email protected]> > To: "Rootsweb - E.C." <[email protected]>; "Walter > Renze" <[email protected]>; "Sue Mackay" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:29 AM > Subject: [ZA-EC] EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD, 07.08.1999 > > >> EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD, >> >> Port Elizabeth, Saturday, August 7, 1999. >> >> >> >> BIRTHS. >> >> LLOYD. – To Owen and Catherine (nee LISTON), a daughter, Michela Lesley, >> born Thursday, August 5, 1999 in Cape Town. Sister to Courtney. >> >> >> >> ENGAGEMENYS. >> >> BURGER. – VAN ZYL. Minty and Gert are pleased to announce the engagement >> od Adrian, to Linda, daughter of Gerrie and Yvonne of Margate. >> >> >> >> DEATHS. >> >> BERGMANN. – Phyllis (Corin), passed away on Thursday, August 5, 1999. >> Remembered by her husband Barrie. >> >> BLACK. – Tanya, passed away in Cape Town on July 31, 1999, aged 31. >> Mourned by David. >> >> COETZEE. – Arthur, passed away on Wednesday, August 4, 1999. Remembered >> by >> brothers Ronnie and Neville. >> >> JONAS. – Mac, passed away on Monday, August 2, 1999. Remembered by >> Charmaine, Michael and children; Wendy, Owen, Elton and Tracy. >> >> PROBERT. – Les, passed away on Thursday, August 5, 1999. Husband of Milly >> and father of Barry and Ros, Sharon and Michael and grandfather of Paul, >> Nicci and Steven. Remembered by Gavin, June, Peter, Cathy and PACKER >> family; Patty. >> >> PRINCE. – Irvin, passed away tragically on Saturday, July 24, 1999. >> Mourned by his father Bennie DANIELS and SAULS family. >> >> THATCHER. – Carrie, passed away on Thursday, August 5, 1999. To Nigel, >> Genna, Camilla and the rest of the family, be strong. Missed by Tessa, >> Mike, Amanda and Nicola; niece of Clem and Coral LAWRENCE and family; >> Ben, >> Gail and boys. >> >> TZEMIS. – Anastasia, passed away on Friday, August 6, 1999 in Cape Town. >> Mother of George and Nancy, gran to Gregory, Belinda and Nicky. >> >> >> >> FUNERAL NOTICES. >> >> GQWETHU. – Thethiwe Cynthia, passed away Tuesday, July 27, 1999. The >> funeral service will take place today (Saturday), August 7, 1999 from 118 >> Zokufa Street, New Brighton, starting at 7.30 am, then 10 am from the AME >> Church in Ntshinga Street, New Brighton. >> >> NEL. – Elryn Lleethan, passed away on Wednesday, August 4, 1999. The >> funeral service will take place today (Saturday), August 7, 1999 at 12 >> noon, from 38 Wynford Crescent, Salsoneville. Thence to Bethelsdorp >> Cemetery. >> >> PROBERT. – Les. The funeral service will take place today (Saturday), >> August 7, 1999 at 12 noon, from the Newton Park Methodist Church. >> >> >> >> IN MEMORIAM. >> >> CRANE. – Arthur, passed away 15 years ago today. Missed by your daughter >> Sharmaine and Gavin, Sue-Ellen, Jasmin. >> >> EBERHARDT. – Tony, passed away 4 years ago today. Remembered by Mom, >> Marvin and Colleen. >> >> GREENWELL. – Stella. The one year anniversary of our wife, mother and >> grandmother will be held at the Greek Orthodox Church, Parsons Hill, >> tomorrow (Sunday), August 8, 1999 at 10.30 am. >> >> KOESNELL. – Glen, passed away two years ago. Remembered by Mom, Dad, >> brothers, sisters, Shanon, Rochay and son Brendon. >> >> PRINCE. – Benjamin, passed away August 7, 1998. Remembered by your wife >> Lydia; Tamryn, Dane, Danielle, Mummy and Daddy. >> >> STRAUSS. – Chris, passed away 1 year ago. Remembered by your wife Judith. >> >> WALDEK. – Maureen. Remembered by your husband Roy and Daughter Theresa >> Anne. >> >> >> Transcribed by >> Carol BENEKE nee STEWART >> Port Elizabeth, South Africa. >> 083 482 1482 >> [email protected] >> ________________________ >> Researching: STEWART, STONE, LUKE, OLIVIER, BENEKE, BENECKE, VON BENECKE >> and related families. 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EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD, Port Elizabeth, Saturday, August 7, 1999. BIRTHS. LLOYD. – To Owen and Catherine (nee LISTON), a daughter, Michela Lesley, born Thursday, August 5, 1999 in Cape Town. Sister to Courtney. ENGAGEMENYS. BURGER. – VAN ZYL. Minty and Gert are pleased to announce the engagement od Adrian, to Linda, daughter of Gerrie and Yvonne of Margate. DEATHS. BERGMANN. – Phyllis (Corin), passed away on Thursday, August 5, 1999. Remembered by her husband Barrie. BLACK. – Tanya, passed away in Cape Town on July 31, 1999, aged 31. Mourned by David. COETZEE. – Arthur, passed away on Wednesday, August 4, 1999. Remembered by brothers Ronnie and Neville. JONAS. – Mac, passed away on Monday, August 2, 1999. Remembered by Charmaine, Michael and children; Wendy, Owen, Elton and Tracy. PROBERT. – Les, passed away on Thursday, August 5, 1999. Husband of Milly and father of Barry and Ros, Sharon and Michael and grandfather of Paul, Nicci and Steven. Remembered by Gavin, June, Peter, Cathy and PACKER family; Patty. PRINCE. – Irvin, passed away tragically on Saturday, July 24, 1999. Mourned by his father Bennie DANIELS and SAULS family. THATCHER. – Carrie, passed away on Thursday, August 5, 1999. To Nigel, Genna, Camilla and the rest of the family, be strong. Missed by Tessa, Mike, Amanda and Nicola; niece of Clem and Coral LAWRENCE and family; Ben, Gail and boys. TZEMIS. – Anastasia, passed away on Friday, August 6, 1999 in Cape Town. Mother of George and Nancy, gran to Gregory, Belinda and Nicky. FUNERAL NOTICES. GQWETHU. – Thethiwe Cynthia, passed away Tuesday, July 27, 1999. The funeral service will take place today (Saturday), August 7, 1999 from 118 Zokufa Street, New Brighton, starting at 7.30 am, then 10 am from the AME Church in Ntshinga Street, New Brighton. NEL. – Elryn Lleethan, passed away on Wednesday, August 4, 1999. The funeral service will take place today (Saturday), August 7, 1999 at 12 noon, from 38 Wynford Crescent, Salsoneville. Thence to Bethelsdorp Cemetery. PROBERT. – Les. The funeral service will take place today (Saturday), August 7, 1999 at 12 noon, from the Newton Park Methodist Church. IN MEMORIAM. CRANE. – Arthur, passed away 15 years ago today. Missed by your daughter Sharmaine and Gavin, Sue-Ellen, Jasmin. EBERHARDT. – Tony, passed away 4 years ago today. Remembered by Mom, Marvin and Colleen. GREENWELL. – Stella. The one year anniversary of our wife, mother and grandmother will be held at the Greek Orthodox Church, Parsons Hill, tomorrow (Sunday), August 8, 1999 at 10.30 am. KOESNELL. – Glen, passed away two years ago. Remembered by Mom, Dad, brothers, sisters, Shanon, Rochay and son Brendon. PRINCE. – Benjamin, passed away August 7, 1998. Remembered by your wife Lydia; Tamryn, Dane, Danielle, Mummy and Daddy. STRAUSS. – Chris, passed away 1 year ago. Remembered by your wife Judith. WALDEK. – Maureen. Remembered by your husband Roy and Daughter Theresa Anne. Transcribed by Carol BENEKE nee STEWART Port Elizabeth, South Africa. 083 482 1482 [email protected] ________________________ Researching: STEWART, STONE, LUKE, OLIVIER, BENEKE, BENECKE, VON BENECKE and related families. (26 years) https://www.facebook.com/groups/Beneke.Benecke.von.Benecke/

Hi Carol, This transcription enabled me to add a date of death for Leslie PROBERT and add the names of his children and grandchildren (I couldn't sort them out between his children but at least I have all the names noted!). Your hard work (and that of all our 'faithful' transcribers) is much appreciated. Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Beneke" <[email protected]> To: "Rootsweb - E.C." <[email protected]>; "Walter Renze" <[email protected]>; "Sue Mackay" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:29 AM Subject: [ZA-EC] EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD, 07.08.1999 > EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD, > > Port Elizabeth, Saturday, August 7, 1999. > > > > BIRTHS. > > LLOYD. – To Owen and Catherine (nee LISTON), a daughter, Michela Lesley, > born Thursday, August 5, 1999 in Cape Town. Sister to Courtney. > > > > ENGAGEMENYS. > > BURGER. – VAN ZYL. Minty and Gert are pleased to announce the engagement > od Adrian, to Linda, daughter of Gerrie and Yvonne of Margate. > > > > DEATHS. > > BERGMANN. – Phyllis (Corin), passed away on Thursday, August 5, 1999. > Remembered by her husband Barrie. > > BLACK. – Tanya, passed away in Cape Town on July 31, 1999, aged 31. > Mourned by David. > > COETZEE. – Arthur, passed away on Wednesday, August 4, 1999. Remembered by > brothers Ronnie and Neville. > > JONAS. – Mac, passed away on Monday, August 2, 1999. Remembered by > Charmaine, Michael and children; Wendy, Owen, Elton and Tracy. > > PROBERT. – Les, passed away on Thursday, August 5, 1999. Husband of Milly > and father of Barry and Ros, Sharon and Michael and grandfather of Paul, > Nicci and Steven. Remembered by Gavin, June, Peter, Cathy and PACKER > family; Patty. > > PRINCE. – Irvin, passed away tragically on Saturday, July 24, 1999. > Mourned by his father Bennie DANIELS and SAULS family. > > THATCHER. – Carrie, passed away on Thursday, August 5, 1999. To Nigel, > Genna, Camilla and the rest of the family, be strong. Missed by Tessa, > Mike, Amanda and Nicola; niece of Clem and Coral LAWRENCE and family; Ben, > Gail and boys. > > TZEMIS. – Anastasia, passed away on Friday, August 6, 1999 in Cape Town. > Mother of George and Nancy, gran to Gregory, Belinda and Nicky. > > > > FUNERAL NOTICES. > > GQWETHU. – Thethiwe Cynthia, passed away Tuesday, July 27, 1999. The > funeral service will take place today (Saturday), August 7, 1999 from 118 > Zokufa Street, New Brighton, starting at 7.30 am, then 10 am from the AME > Church in Ntshinga Street, New Brighton. > > NEL. – Elryn Lleethan, passed away on Wednesday, August 4, 1999. The > funeral service will take place today (Saturday), August 7, 1999 at 12 > noon, from 38 Wynford Crescent, Salsoneville. Thence to Bethelsdorp > Cemetery. > > PROBERT. – Les. The funeral service will take place today (Saturday), > August 7, 1999 at 12 noon, from the Newton Park Methodist Church. > > > > IN MEMORIAM. > > CRANE. – Arthur, passed away 15 years ago today. Missed by your daughter > Sharmaine and Gavin, Sue-Ellen, Jasmin. > > EBERHARDT. – Tony, passed away 4 years ago today. Remembered by Mom, > Marvin and Colleen. > > GREENWELL. – Stella. The one year anniversary of our wife, mother and > grandmother will be held at the Greek Orthodox Church, Parsons Hill, > tomorrow (Sunday), August 8, 1999 at 10.30 am. > > KOESNELL. – Glen, passed away two years ago. Remembered by Mom, Dad, > brothers, sisters, Shanon, Rochay and son Brendon. > > PRINCE. – Benjamin, passed away August 7, 1998. Remembered by your wife > Lydia; Tamryn, Dane, Danielle, Mummy and Daddy. > > STRAUSS. – Chris, passed away 1 year ago. Remembered by your wife Judith. > > WALDEK. – Maureen. Remembered by your husband Roy and Daughter Theresa > Anne. > > > Transcribed by > Carol BENEKE nee STEWART > Port Elizabeth, South Africa. > 083 482 1482 > [email protected] > ________________________ > Researching: STEWART, STONE, LUKE, OLIVIER, BENEKE, BENECKE, VON BENECKE > and related families. (26 years) > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/Beneke.Benecke.von.Benecke/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

COMPLETE INDEX TO CAPE PROVINCE DEATH CERTIFICATES for BREDASDORP 1908 on www.familysearch.org TO VIEW DOCUMENTS: 1. Click on Search located on the top row of the home page 2. Under browse by location, click on Africa 3. Click on South Africa, Cape Province, Civil Deaths, 1895-1972 4. Click on Browse through 2,216,270 images 5. Click on transcribed year, 1908 6. Click on BREDASDORP Surname ; First names ; Images ABRAHAMS ; Helene ; 46 ABRAHAMS ; Carl ; 102 ABRAHAMS ; Lena ; 129 ABRAHAMS ; Letter re No. 129 ; 130 APOLLIS (late ABRAHAMS) formerly FRANS ; Jakoba ; 17 APRIL ; Bernhard ; 134 AREND born DAVIDS ; Christiana ; 28 AREND born WYNGAARD ; Augusta ; 92 ARENDS ; Ferdinand ; 23 ARENDS ; Johannes Jesajes ; 133 AUGUST ; Sofia ; 9 AUGUST ; Izak ; 131 BEHR ; Dorothea Maria ; 33 BEHR ; Dorothea Maria ; 34 BESTER ; Willem Jacobus ; 2 BEUKES ; Anna ; 79 BEUKES ; Letter re No. 79 ; 80 BOTHA ; Ferdinand ; 135 CLEWS ; Henry Richard ; 113 CLOETE ; Christiane Margaretha ; 10 CLOETE ; Letter re No.10 ; 11 CLOETE ; Daniel ; 43 DAVIDS ; Susan Eliza ; 24 DE KOCK ; unnamed child of Servaas Hendrik ; 35 DE VILLIERS ; Petrus Jacobus ; 141 DU TOIT born WESSELS ; Dina Magdalena ; 50 DYER ; Abraham ; 85 EKSTEEN ; Maria ; 38 EKSTEEN ; John Michael ; 49 EKSTEEN ; Henry ; 140 ENGEL ; Teofilus Jakobus ; 83 ENGEL ; Cornelius Timotheus ; 116 EUROPA ; Letter re J EUROPA ; 99 EZAU ; Jakoba ; 15 EZAU ; Emilia ; 16 FICK born SWART ; Elizabeth ; 39 FOURIE ; Jacobus Johannes ; 7 FOURIE ; Gertruida Cornelia Susana ; 27 FOURIE ; Elizabeth Lourentia ; 96 FOURIE ; Christian ; 137 GELDENHUYS ; Hendrik Enduro ; 3 GELDENHUYS ; Elias Jacobus ; 5 GELDENHUYS ; Jurie Johannes ; 31 GELDENHUYS ; Margaritha Susara Elizabeth ; 54 GELDENHUYS ; Letter re No. 54 ; 55 GELDENHUYS ; Johanna Magdalena ; 72 GELDENHUYS ; Letter re No. 72 ; 73 GELDENHUYS ; Maria Catharina Magdalena ; 76 GELDENHUYS ; Letter re No. 76 ; 77 GELDENHUYS ; Elias Jacobus ; 120 GERTSE ; Francina ; 127 GERTSE ; Letter re No. 128 ; 128 GILIOMEE ; Martha Hendrika Magdalena ; 115 GROENEWALD ; Christoffel ; 78 GROENEWALD ; Christian Markus ; 94 GROENEWALD ; Petrus Arnoldus Jacobus ; 121 HENDRIKS ; Andrias ; 95 HESS ; Aaron ; 91 HOOGBAARD ; Demas ; 138 JANTJES ; Maria Margert Marltina ; 18 JANURIE ; Willemina ; 74 JOHANNES ; Manuel Simon ; 30 JOHANNES ; Amalia ; 81 JONAS ; Herman ; 75 KABEVA ; Maria ; 118 KAPOT ; Unnamed child of Lydia ; 126 KEBEWA ; Aaron ; 123 KEBEWA ; Letter re No. 123 ; 124 KUHN ; Sleina ; 101 LEONARD ; Maud Beatrice ; 40 LEONARD ; Letter re No. 40 ; 41 LOOCK ; Maria Elizabeth ; 14 MATTHEE ; Dirk Hermanus ; 32 MATTHEE ; Maria Francina Elizabeth Magdalena ; 61 MATTHEE ; Letter re No. 61 ; 62 MATTHEE ; Hendrik Johannes ; 125 MELGOE ; Mintoor ; 19 MELGOE ; Mintoor ; 20 MELGOE ; Letter re No. 20 ; 21 MICHAELS ; Piet ; 103 MINTAR ; Margaret ; 12 MINTAR ; unnamed child of Piet ; 87 NEUMAN ; Carolina ; 42 NEUMAN ; Harriet ; 58 NEUMAN ; Annie ; 109 NIEMAND ; Samuel ; 82 OCTOBER ; Johannes Solomon ; 13 OCTOBER ; Marten Louis ; 25 OCTOBER ; Salome Antoinette ; 59 OCTOBER ; Letter re No. 59 ; 60 OCTOBER ; Ernestine ; 104 OCTOBER ; Christiane Jakoba ; 112 OOSTENDORP ; Cornelia ; 119 PALMER ; Thomas ; 8 PICK ; Phillipina ; 37 PIETERS ; Pieter Lukas Johannes ; 57 PIETERS ; Maria Magdalena Van Dinah ; 105 PIETERS ; Letter re No. 105 ; 106 PLATJES ; Achtmoed Maria ; 66 PLATJES ; Letter re No. 66 ; 67 PRESENCE ; Joshua Jacob ; 22 PRINS ; Pieter Jacobus ; 86 ROOPA ; Annie ; 84 ROOPA ; Jean ; 108 SMIT ; Christoffel ; 53 SMYTHE ; Magdalena ; 47 STEENEVELD ; Maria Johanna ; 36 STEENEVELDT ; Gustav ; 107 SWART ; Temmer ; 6 SWART ; Timotheus ; 44 SWART ; Martha Johanna ; 65 SWART ; unnamed child of Dirk ; 68 SWART ; Letter re No. 68 ; 69 SWART ; Letter re No. 68 ; 70 SWART ; Letter re No. 68 ; 71 SWART ; Cornelia M P ; 89 SWART ; Eva Frederika ; 90 SWART ; Johanna Francina ; 100 TALJARD ; Dina Maria Elizabeth ; 4 TEMMER ; Sofia Clara ; 132 THEUNIS ; Magdalena ; 139 TITUS ; Maria ; 48 TOBIAS ; Samuel ; 56 VALENTEIN ; Hendrik ; 51 VALENTEIN ; Letter re No. 51 ; 52 VALENTYN ; Catharina Francina ; 97 VALENTYN ; Letter re No. 97 ; 98 VALTENTYN ; Abraham ; 110 VALTENTYN ; Letter re No. 110 ; 111 VAN BRATVEL ; Maria Susanna ; 117 VAN DE REDE ; Cornelius ; 93 VAN DER HEYDEN ; Cornelia ; 136 VAN DER REDE ; Justina Helena ; 45 VAN DER REDE ; Augusta ; 114 VAN DYK ; Michael ; 1 VAN DYK ; Johanna Catherina ; 29 VILANDER ; unnamed child of Julius ; 63 VILANDER ; Letter re No. 63 ; 64 VILLIERS ; Cathrina ; 122 WESSELS ; Theunia Bernadus Jacobus ; 142 WILDSCHUT ; unnamed child of Stoffel ; 88 WYNGAARD ; Godlief Stefanus ; 26 Transcribed by [Carol Chapman]

Greetings, Listers I have had some success in tracing the children of a George Albert Nelson who married Augustina Wilhelmina Becker through the Anglican baptism records on FamilySearch, but have as yet been unable to find out much more about George Albert and Augustina Wilhelmina themselves. All their children were baptised and confirmed in Holy Trinity, King Williams Town, and one of their children died in King Williams Town and is buried there. Burial records in the town (helpfully provided by Stephanie at the Amathole Museum) show no trace of George Albert and Augustina Wilhelmina having been buried there, though. We have been unable to find a marriage record for them in the records for Holy Trinity held at the Cory Library, but Augustina Wilhelmina was German, and so it is possible that they were married in a German church, although I don't even know what denomination her family was. We have a couple of addresses for them which we tried to trace through the King Williams Town deeds office, but it seems that they never owned the properties they stayed on (unless, of course, our searches were incorrect, somehow). Searches on NAAIRS (across RSA - All Archives Repositories and National Registers of non-public records) have so far yielded no death notices or any other applicable documents. >From research into the Bekker/Becker families conducted by Johan Pottas and Annatjie Tiran and published on the GSSA site, I was able to find siblings and parents for a Augustina Wilhelmina who married a George Nelson, so that's a little something on her, assuming she's the correct one, but I have nothing on George Albert. 1. Has anyone come across any info relating to a George Albert Nelson or a Augustina Wilhelmina Becker in their meanderings which they would be willing to share? I estimate that they would have been born around the 1870s and that they died somewhere between 1925 and 1947... 2. Does anyone have any suggestions/recommendations on other avenues I could pursue to track these two down? Thank you and kind regards Rowena

Hi Rowena, Have you tried the German Baptist Church. Many of the early German families were baptised in this church. My latest info is that their records are held in Stellenbosch, but I am not sure with whom. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Rowena Nelson <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 17:45:12 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: [ZA-EC] Missing NELSON and BECKER relatives! Greetings, Listers I have had some success in tracing the children of a George Albert Nelson who married Augustina Wilhelmina Becker through the Anglican baptism records on FamilySearch, but have as yet been unable to find out much more about George Albert and Augustina Wilhelmina themselves. All their children were baptised and confirmed in Holy Trinity, King Williams Town, and one of their children died in King Williams Town and is buried there. Burial records in the town (helpfully provided by Stephanie at the Amathole Museum) show no trace of George Albert and Augustina Wilhelmina having been buried there, though. We have been unable to find a marriage record for them in the records for Holy Trinity held at the Cory Library, but Augustina Wilhelmina was German, and so it is possible that they were married in a German church, although I don't even know what denomination her family was. We have a couple of addresses for them which we tried to trace through the King Williams Town deeds office, but it seems that they never owned the properties they stayed on (unless, of course, our searches were incorrect, somehow). Searches on NAAIRS (across RSA - All Archives Repositories and National Registers of non-public records) have so far yielded no death notices or any other applicable documents. >From research into the Bekker/Becker families conducted by Johan Pottas and Annatjie Tiran and published on the GSSA site, I was able to find siblings and parents for a Augustina Wilhelmina who married a George Nelson, so that's a little something on her, assuming she's the correct one, but I have nothing on George Albert. 1. Has anyone come across any info relating to a George Albert Nelson or a Augustina Wilhelmina Becker in their meanderings which they would be willing to share? I estimate that they would have been born around the 1870s and that they died somewhere between 1925 and 1947... 2. Does anyone have any suggestions/recommendations on other avenues I could pursue to track these two down? Thank you and kind regards Rowena ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message