Have found the marriage of Lucy's parents John MOULS bachelor and Lucy JONES spinster were married by banns on 6 September 1784 in St.Mary's, Rotherhithe. Both signed. Witnesses James SOUTH and Jane TOWNSHEND (X) Lucy FINAUGHTY/ULYATE must have been quite a bump at the wedding! :-) The Ancestry tree referred to by Paul says that William FINAGHTY was born in Hertfordshire to John FINAGHTY and Mary KIMBER. The family can be found on Family Search but I have seen no proof that it is the correct family. However, it is interesting that the original image of the marriage between John FINAGHTY and Mary KIMBER, which took place in Hitchin, is on Findmypast in their Hertfordshire Collection, and on the same page is the marriage of a FEATHERSTONE (a name that later marries in to this family in SA)- just coincidence? Cheers Sue > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 12:14:04 +0100 > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY > > I have seen lots of trees, but all of them say that Lucy and William married 'about 1803' and that William died 'about 1813', extrapolating from the birth dates of the children, I presume. No-one seems to have found documentary evidence. > > > Sue > > > > > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 16:20:00 +0100 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY > > > > Hi Sue, > > > > Next piece of the puzzle - see http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/1116618/family/familygroup?fpid=-1045830744 > > They have William marrying Lucy in 1803, and dying 1813, which appears to fit our hypothesis. > > > > rgds > > > > -- > > Paul Tanner-Tremaine > > Hampshire, England > > email : [email protected] > > website : www.1820Settlers.com > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 4/8/14, Sue Mackay <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "SA List" <[email protected]> > > Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 12:54 PM > > > > Interesting. I have looked on the Old > > Bailey site and it seems that William was sentenced to six > > months and a public flogging! > > http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18100221-73&div=t18100221-73 > > > > If this is indeed him then it must have been pretty hard on > > Lucy. He was convicted on 19 February 1810 and she gave > > birth to Joseph on 2 April. Maybe that's why Joseph didn't > > survive as she was left to cope on her own. However, they > > seem to have had further children after his release, and > > indeed I have found a further baptism. > > > > Mary Anne Hewlet, daughter of William and Lucy FINNARTY, > > Skinner St, Greengrocer was baptised on 3 October 1813 in > > St.Pancras Old Church > > > > Skinner Street was where Lucy was living for the first > > "Ulyate" birth. > > > > Cheers > > > > Sue > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 11:41:38 +0100 > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY > > > > > > Hi Sue, > > > > > > I think you are on the right track, as all those > > baptisms make sense. I have also not found any > > marriages for Lucy to either William Finaughty or Henry > > Ulyate, but have found a possible clue as to why William and > > Lucy parted. > > > > > > On 26 February1810 a William Finnaughty was sentenced > > to imprisonment for larceny(theft). Engand and Wales > > Criminal registers 1791 - 1892 held at the National Archives > > under Class HO 26; piece 16, page 32. It is a very feint > > copy on Ancestry and I cannot work out the terms of the > > sentence. If he was interned for a few years, this > > could be why Lucy had the three Ulyate Finaughty children, > > who dropped the Finaughty name when they emigrated as 1820 > > Settlers? Henry and Lucy couldn't marry, because > > William was still potentially alive, but passed themselves > > off as marrried in the new country? Speculation? ;-) > > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > Paul > > > -- > > > Paul Tanner-Tremaine > > > Hampshire, England > > > email : [email protected] > > > website : www.1820Settlers.com > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > On Mon, 4/7/14, Sue Mackay <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Subject: [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY > > > To: "SA List" <[email protected]>, > > "[email protected]" > > <[email protected]> > > > Date: Monday, April 7, 2014, 12:10 PM > > > > > > I have been updating the extra > > > information on selected 1820 settlers available > > at http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/ > > (click on > > > Additional Information on the right hand side). > > > > > > I have only included pre 1820 information from UK > > records > > > taken from primary sources, as there seems to be > > so much > > > conflicting information on SA settler sites. As I > > now have > > > access to original images from parish registers > > held at the > > > Westminster Archives I have been able to > > add a few > > > more specific dates and places to files already > > uploaded. > > > > > > I have also added a few new files (easily > > spotted, as the > > > hit count is not yet in three figures!!) and will > > gradually > > > be adding more as I find new records. > > > > > > New files include various members of > > WAINWRIGHT’s Party > > > with information from original parish registers > > in the West > > > Yorkshire Archives. > > > > > > Please let me know if you find any mistakes. > > > > > > One family has led me a merry dance, and > > information is > > > exceedingly varied on the various settler sites, > > so I would > > > be interested to know whether you think I have > > drawn the > > > correct conclusion. This concerns the ULYATE and > > FINAUGHTY > > > family who sailed with WAIT on the Zoroaster. > > > > > > The Settler Handbook says that Henry ULYATE and > > his wife > > > Lucy had three children of their own (Mary, Henry > > and Sarah) > > > in addition to George, who was born on the > > voyage. > > > Travelling with them were three FINAUGHTY > > children, Lucy, > > > William and John, said to be Henry’s > > stepchildren and thus > > > Lucy’s children from her first marriage. > > > > > > I have found Lucy’s baptism. She was baptised > > as Lucy > > > MOLES, daughter of John and Lucy, Millwright, on > > 2 January > > > 1785 in St.John Horselydown, Bermondsey (born 18 > > December > > > 1784) > > > > > > I have not found any marriage for Lucy. It does > > not help > > > that some sites say her husband was John > > FINAUGHTY and > > > others that he was William FINAUGHTY! It seems > > that she was > > > married to a London greengrocer named William > > FINAUGHTY, > > > however, as I have found the following baptisms: > > > Lucy Moles, daughter of William and Lucy > > FINAUGHTY, was > > > baptised on 20 October 1805 in St.Mary's, > > Islington (born 11 > > > July) > > > George William, son of William and Lucy > > FINAUGHTY, was > > > baptised on 3 January 1808 in St.Mary's, > > Islington (born 22 > > > August 1807) > > > Joseph, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, was > > baptised on > > > 10 June 1810 in St.Pancras Old Church (born 2 > > April) > > > John, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, Somers > > Town, > > > Grocer, was baptised on 23 January 1814 in > > St.Pancras Old > > > Church > > > > > > Assuming that Joseph died in infancy, the other > > three are > > > plausible for the children who sailed as > > Henry’s > > > stepchildren > > > I don’t think that Lucy can actually have > > married Henry > > > ULYATE, as the baptisms of “their” children > > all seem to > > > have been listed as children of William > > FINAUGHTY, but with > > > ULYATE as a middle name, which suggests to me > > that she left > > > William and had a family with Henry, but was > > unable to marry > > > Henry legitimately as William was still alive? Or > > have I > > > missed something? > > > > > > Here are the baptisms – I can’t find one for > > a Sarah, > > > and certainly not on the same page as Henry (the > > Settler > > > Handbook suggests Henry and Sarah were twins) > > > > > > Henry Ulyat FINAUGHTY, son of William and Lucy > > FINAUGHTY, > > > Skinner Street, Greengrocer, baptised 2 April > > 1815 in > > > St.Pancras Old Church > > > Jane Ullyate FINAUGHTY, daughter of William and > > Lucy > > > FINAUGHTY, Hampstead, Greengrocer, baptised 1 > > June 1817 in > > > St.John's, Hampstead (born 22 November 1816) > > > Maria Ulyate FINAUGHTY, daughter of William and > > Lucy > > > FINAUGHTY, Hampstead, Greengrocer, baptised 14 > > June 1818 in > > > St.John's, Hampstead (born 3 May) > > > > > > I’d be interested to here from descendants of > > this family > > > to know if they have any proof of a marriage > > between Henry > > > and Lucy. > > > See http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/f-surnames/1769-finaughty-lucy-extra-data > > > and http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/uvw-surnames/1768-ulyate-henry-extra-data > > > Cheers > > > SueSouth Wales, UK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > > email to [email protected] > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the > > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sue & Paul Wow!!! talk about a dog with a bone!!! You guys are really working hard at trying to unravel this mystery which is related to my Lloyd Family. I have a DN of Ann Ulyate, daughter of Henry & Lucy Ulyate who was born near Grahamstown in 1822. I can send it to you if you like. Cheers Jenn Graham & Jennifer Lloyd [Genealogical & Historical Research] Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 Mobile: 0824037343 email: [email protected] www.southafricanfamily.com I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Mackay" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "SA List" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] [SOUTH-AFRICA] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY I have seen lots of trees, but all of them say that Lucy and William married 'about 1803' and that William died 'about 1813', extrapolating from the birth dates of the children, I presume. No-one seems to have found documentary evidence. Sue > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 16:20:00 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY > > Hi Sue, > > Next piece of the puzzle - see > http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/1116618/family/familygroup?fpid=-1045830744 > They have William marrying Lucy in 1803, and dying 1813, which appears to > fit our hypothesis. > > rgds > > -- > Paul Tanner-Tremaine > Hampshire, England > email : [email protected] > website : www.1820Settlers.com > > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 4/8/14, Sue Mackay <[email protected]> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY > To: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]>, "SA List" > <[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 12:54 PM > > Interesting. I have looked on the Old > Bailey site and it seems that William was sentenced to six > months and a public flogging! > > http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18100221-73&div=t18100221-73 > > If this is indeed him then it must have been pretty hard on > Lucy. He was convicted on 19 February 1810 and she gave > birth to Joseph on 2 April. Maybe that's why Joseph didn't > survive as she was left to cope on her own. However, they > seem to have had further children after his release, and > indeed I have found a further baptism. > > Mary Anne Hewlet, daughter of William and Lucy FINNARTY, > Skinner St, Greengrocer was baptised on 3 October 1813 in > St.Pancras Old Church > > Skinner Street was where Lucy was living for the first > "Ulyate" birth. > > Cheers > > Sue > > > > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 11:41:38 +0100 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY > > > > Hi Sue, > > > > I think you are on the right track, as all those > baptisms make sense. I have also not found any > marriages for Lucy to either William Finaughty or Henry > Ulyate, but have found a possible clue as to why William and > Lucy parted. > > > > On 26 February1810 a William Finnaughty was sentenced > to imprisonment for larceny(theft). Engand and Wales > Criminal registers 1791 - 1892 held at the National Archives > under Class HO 26; piece 16, page 32. It is a very feint > copy on Ancestry and I cannot work out the terms of the > sentence. If he was interned for a few years, this > could be why Lucy had the three Ulyate Finaughty children, > who dropped the Finaughty name when they emigrated as 1820 > Settlers? Henry and Lucy couldn't marry, because > William was still potentially alive, but passed themselves > off as marrried in the new country? Speculation? ;-) > > > > > > Best regards > > > > Paul > > -- > > Paul Tanner-Tremaine > > Hampshire, England > > email : [email protected] > > website : www.1820Settlers.com > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Mon, 4/7/14, Sue Mackay <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Subject: [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY > > To: "SA List" <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > > Date: Monday, April 7, 2014, 12:10 PM > > > > I have been updating the extra > > information on selected 1820 settlers available > at http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/ > (click on > > Additional Information on the right hand side). > > > > I have only included pre 1820 information from UK > records > > taken from primary sources, as there seems to be > so much > > conflicting information on SA settler sites. As I > now have > > access to original images from parish registers > held at the > > Westminster Archives I have been able to > add a few > > more specific dates and places to files already > uploaded. > > > > I have also added a few new files (easily > spotted, as the > > hit count is not yet in three figures!!) and will > gradually > > be adding more as I find new records. > > > > New files include various members of > WAINWRIGHT’s Party > > with information from original parish registers > in the West > > Yorkshire Archives. > > > > Please let me know if you find any mistakes. > > > > One family has led me a merry dance, and > information is > > exceedingly varied on the various settler sites, > so I would > > be interested to know whether you think I have > drawn the > > correct conclusion. This concerns the ULYATE and > FINAUGHTY > > family who sailed with WAIT on the Zoroaster. > > > > The Settler Handbook says that Henry ULYATE and > his wife > > Lucy had three children of their own (Mary, Henry > and Sarah) > > in addition to George, who was born on the > voyage. > > Travelling with them were three FINAUGHTY > children, Lucy, > > William and John, said to be Henry’s > stepchildren and thus > > Lucy’s children from her first marriage. > > > > I have found Lucy’s baptism. She was baptised > as Lucy > > MOLES, daughter of John and Lucy, Millwright, on > 2 January > > 1785 in St.John Horselydown, Bermondsey (born 18 > December > > 1784) > > > > I have not found any marriage for Lucy. It does > not help > > that some sites say her husband was John > FINAUGHTY and > > others that he was William FINAUGHTY! It seems > that she was > > married to a London greengrocer named William > FINAUGHTY, > > however, as I have found the following baptisms: > > Lucy Moles, daughter of William and Lucy > FINAUGHTY, was > > baptised on 20 October 1805 in St.Mary's, > Islington (born 11 > > July) > > George William, son of William and Lucy > FINAUGHTY, was > > baptised on 3 January 1808 in St.Mary's, > Islington (born 22 > > August 1807) > > Joseph, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, was > baptised on > > 10 June 1810 in St.Pancras Old Church (born 2 > April) > > John, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, Somers > Town, > > Grocer, was baptised on 23 January 1814 in > St.Pancras Old > > Church > > > > Assuming that Joseph died in infancy, the other > three are > > plausible for the children who sailed as > Henry’s > > stepchildren > > I don’t think that Lucy can actually have > married Henry > > ULYATE, as the baptisms of “their” children > all seem to > > have been listed as children of William > FINAUGHTY, but with > > ULYATE as a middle name, which suggests to me > that she left > > William and had a family with Henry, but was > unable to marry > > Henry legitimately as William was still alive? Or > have I > > missed something? > > > > Here are the baptisms – I can’t find one for > a Sarah, > > and certainly not on the same page as Henry (the > Settler > > Handbook suggests Henry and Sarah were twins) > > > > Henry Ulyat FINAUGHTY, son of William and Lucy > FINAUGHTY, > > Skinner Street, Greengrocer, baptised 2 April > 1815 in > > St.Pancras Old Church > > Jane Ullyate FINAUGHTY, daughter of William and > Lucy > > FINAUGHTY, Hampstead, Greengrocer, baptised 1 > June 1817 in > > St.John's, Hampstead (born 22 November 1816) > > Maria Ulyate FINAUGHTY, daughter of William and > Lucy > > FINAUGHTY, Hampstead, Greengrocer, baptised 14 > June 1818 in > > St.John's, Hampstead (born 3 May) > > > > I’d be interested to here from descendants of > this family > > to know if they have any proof of a marriage > between Henry > > and Lucy. > > See > http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/f-surnames/1769-finaughty-lucy-extra-data > > and > http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/uvw-surnames/1768-ulyate-henry-extra-data > > Cheers > > SueSouth Wales, UK > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have seen lots of trees, but all of them say that Lucy and William married 'about 1803' and that William died 'about 1813', extrapolating from the birth dates of the children, I presume. No-one seems to have found documentary evidence. Sue > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 16:20:00 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY > > Hi Sue, > > Next piece of the puzzle - see http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/1116618/family/familygroup?fpid=-1045830744 > They have William marrying Lucy in 1803, and dying 1813, which appears to fit our hypothesis. > > rgds > > -- > Paul Tanner-Tremaine > Hampshire, England > email : [email protected] > website : www.1820Settlers.com > > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 4/8/14, Sue Mackay <[email protected]> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "SA List" <[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 12:54 PM > > Interesting. I have looked on the Old > Bailey site and it seems that William was sentenced to six > months and a public flogging! > http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18100221-73&div=t18100221-73 > > If this is indeed him then it must have been pretty hard on > Lucy. He was convicted on 19 February 1810 and she gave > birth to Joseph on 2 April. Maybe that's why Joseph didn't > survive as she was left to cope on her own. However, they > seem to have had further children after his release, and > indeed I have found a further baptism. > > Mary Anne Hewlet, daughter of William and Lucy FINNARTY, > Skinner St, Greengrocer was baptised on 3 October 1813 in > St.Pancras Old Church > > Skinner Street was where Lucy was living for the first > "Ulyate" birth. > > Cheers > > Sue > > > > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 11:41:38 +0100 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY > > > > Hi Sue, > > > > I think you are on the right track, as all those > baptisms make sense. I have also not found any > marriages for Lucy to either William Finaughty or Henry > Ulyate, but have found a possible clue as to why William and > Lucy parted. > > > > On 26 February1810 a William Finnaughty was sentenced > to imprisonment for larceny(theft). Engand and Wales > Criminal registers 1791 - 1892 held at the National Archives > under Class HO 26; piece 16, page 32. It is a very feint > copy on Ancestry and I cannot work out the terms of the > sentence. If he was interned for a few years, this > could be why Lucy had the three Ulyate Finaughty children, > who dropped the Finaughty name when they emigrated as 1820 > Settlers? Henry and Lucy couldn't marry, because > William was still potentially alive, but passed themselves > off as marrried in the new country? Speculation? ;-) > > > > > > Best regards > > > > Paul > > -- > > Paul Tanner-Tremaine > > Hampshire, England > > email : [email protected] > > website : www.1820Settlers.com > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Mon, 4/7/14, Sue Mackay <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Subject: [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY > > To: "SA List" <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > > Date: Monday, April 7, 2014, 12:10 PM > > > > I have been updating the extra > > information on selected 1820 settlers available > at http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/ > (click on > > Additional Information on the right hand side). > > > > I have only included pre 1820 information from UK > records > > taken from primary sources, as there seems to be > so much > > conflicting information on SA settler sites. As I > now have > > access to original images from parish registers > held at the > > Westminster Archives I have been able to > add a few > > more specific dates and places to files already > uploaded. > > > > I have also added a few new files (easily > spotted, as the > > hit count is not yet in three figures!!) and will > gradually > > be adding more as I find new records. > > > > New files include various members of > WAINWRIGHT’s Party > > with information from original parish registers > in the West > > Yorkshire Archives. > > > > Please let me know if you find any mistakes. > > > > One family has led me a merry dance, and > information is > > exceedingly varied on the various settler sites, > so I would > > be interested to know whether you think I have > drawn the > > correct conclusion. This concerns the ULYATE and > FINAUGHTY > > family who sailed with WAIT on the Zoroaster. > > > > The Settler Handbook says that Henry ULYATE and > his wife > > Lucy had three children of their own (Mary, Henry > and Sarah) > > in addition to George, who was born on the > voyage. > > Travelling with them were three FINAUGHTY > children, Lucy, > > William and John, said to be Henry’s > stepchildren and thus > > Lucy’s children from her first marriage. > > > > I have found Lucy’s baptism. She was baptised > as Lucy > > MOLES, daughter of John and Lucy, Millwright, on > 2 January > > 1785 in St.John Horselydown, Bermondsey (born 18 > December > > 1784) > > > > I have not found any marriage for Lucy. It does > not help > > that some sites say her husband was John > FINAUGHTY and > > others that he was William FINAUGHTY! It seems > that she was > > married to a London greengrocer named William > FINAUGHTY, > > however, as I have found the following baptisms: > > Lucy Moles, daughter of William and Lucy > FINAUGHTY, was > > baptised on 20 October 1805 in St.Mary's, > Islington (born 11 > > July) > > George William, son of William and Lucy > FINAUGHTY, was > > baptised on 3 January 1808 in St.Mary's, > Islington (born 22 > > August 1807) > > Joseph, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, was > baptised on > > 10 June 1810 in St.Pancras Old Church (born 2 > April) > > John, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, Somers > Town, > > Grocer, was baptised on 23 January 1814 in > St.Pancras Old > > Church > > > > Assuming that Joseph died in infancy, the other > three are > > plausible for the children who sailed as > Henry’s > > stepchildren > > I don’t think that Lucy can actually have > married Henry > > ULYATE, as the baptisms of “their” children > all seem to > > have been listed as children of William > FINAUGHTY, but with > > ULYATE as a middle name, which suggests to me > that she left > > William and had a family with Henry, but was > unable to marry > > Henry legitimately as William was still alive? Or > have I > > missed something? > > > > Here are the baptisms – I can’t find one for > a Sarah, > > and certainly not on the same page as Henry (the > Settler > > Handbook suggests Henry and Sarah were twins) > > > > Henry Ulyat FINAUGHTY, son of William and Lucy > FINAUGHTY, > > Skinner Street, Greengrocer, baptised 2 April > 1815 in > > St.Pancras Old Church > > Jane Ullyate FINAUGHTY, daughter of William and > Lucy > > FINAUGHTY, Hampstead, Greengrocer, baptised 1 > June 1817 in > > St.John's, Hampstead (born 22 November 1816) > > Maria Ulyate FINAUGHTY, daughter of William and > Lucy > > FINAUGHTY, Hampstead, Greengrocer, baptised 14 > June 1818 in > > St.John's, Hampstead (born 3 May) > > > > I’d be interested to here from descendants of > this family > > to know if they have any proof of a marriage > between Henry > > and Lucy. > > See http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/f-surnames/1769-finaughty-lucy-extra-data > > and http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/uvw-surnames/1768-ulyate-henry-extra-data > > Cheers > > SueSouth Wales, UK > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Anglican archives in Port Elizabeth will be able to help you as they hold these records. Antoinette Saunders -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Patty Myers Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 8:58 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [ZA-EC] ST PAUL'S PORT ELIZABETH Hi there St. Barnabas Church My mom was baptised on the 25th July 1926 and on the certificate it states. Parish of Saint Paul Ʌ Port Elizabeth. Can anyone tell me the denomination of this church and where I might be able to find the records Thanks Patty ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there St. Barnabas Church My mom was baptised on the 25th July 1926 and on the certificate it states. Parish of Saint Paul Ʌ Port Elizabeth. Can anyone tell me the denomination of this church and where I might be able to find the records Thanks Patty

Hi, Could someone please advise what I should do to access the data? Is it already available? Regards Richard Thomas WHEELER Organisational Psychologist/Business Consultant 083 6100-435 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Heather MacAlister Sent: 05 November 2013 09:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Ancestry24 Data Hello Denise We will only have an answer towards the end of the year but like most other countries there will be more than likely a separate subscription but if you take the world wide subscription it would be included in that. Hope that answers your question? Regards Heather Heather MacAlister Content Manager South Africa / Consultant Ancestry.com<http://www.ancestry.com/> P 082-8082251 E [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> P. O. Box 455 Clanwilliam, 8135, South Africa From: Denise Igesund <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] m>> Reply-To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] tsweb.com>> Date: Tuesday 05 November 2013 at 7:34 AM To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] tsweb.com>> Subject: [ZA-EC] Ancestry24 Data I am trying to find out if the ancestry24 data is going to be included in our ancestry.com subscription or are we going to have to have to buy a separate subscription? I emailed ancestry.com about this and was told the records would be available early next year but that did not answer MY question. Regards Denise ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-C [email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Richard I am going to Utah next month the finalise the data and should have some answers then. There are already Dutch Reformed Church Records available, so things are stating to happen. If you are not registered with Ancestry.com I suggest you do it now so that you will be the first so know when collections are launched. Kind regards Heather Heather MacAlister Content Manager South Africa / Consultant Ancestry.com<http://www.ancestry.com/> P 082-8082251 E [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> P. O. Box 455 Clanwilliam, 8135, South Africa From: Richard Wheeler <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Reply-To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Wednesday 09 April 2014 at 7:59 AM To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Ancestry24 Data Hi, Could someone please advise what I should do to access the data? Is it already available? Regards Richard Thomas WHEELER Organisational Psychologist/Business Consultant 083 6100-435 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Heather MacAlister Sent: 05 November 2013 09:00 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Ancestry24 Data Hello Denise We will only have an answer towards the end of the year but like most other countries there will be more than likely a separate subscription but if you take the world wide subscription it would be included in that. Hope that answers your question? Regards Heather Heather MacAlister Content Manager South Africa / Consultant Ancestry.com<http://www.ancestry.com/> P 082-8082251 E [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> P. O. Box 455 Clanwilliam, 8135, South Africa From: Denise Igesund <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected] m>> Reply-To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected] tsweb.com>> Date: Tuesday 05 November 2013 at 7:34 AM To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected] tsweb.com>> Subject: [ZA-EC] Ancestry24 Data I am trying to find out if the ancestry24 data is going to be included in our ancestry.com subscription or are we going to have to have to buy a separate subscription? I emailed ancestry.com about this and was told the records would be available early next year but that did not answer MY question. Regards Denise ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-C [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ron I'm home now and trying to solve the mystery of Herschel 1944. Thought it would be easy - simply go to the recycle bin and restore the download, which I've had to do occasionally in the past. Only to find that on 14 Jan 2014 my husband did some "housekeeping" and emptied the bin! Does anyone out there know of any way of recovering the emptied stuff? A back-up was done, but the recycled stuff doesn't appear to be on it. I've tried a couple of suggestions, but so far no success. I've spent some time looking at other years for Herschel on FamilySearch, and also at towns near Herschel on the list, in case I selected the wrong one in error, but as yet I haven't found a match for that transcript. So I'm as mystified as you and would dearly love to know what it was that I transcribed. Perhaps in the meanwhile Herschel 1944 should be deleted from all Lists? With apologies for the confusion and regards to everyone, Mary _____ From: Ron Stanton [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 19 March 2014 13:11 To: [email protected] Subject: Please look at 1944 Herschel Hi Mary, I hope you are doing well. Below is a post to the ZAF-INDEXERS list by Rod G. I double-checked his issue and found that the 1944 Herschel transcripts listed below do not match what's on the FamilySearch web site. You transcribed these last Nov. Can you please look into this for me? I noticed that FamilySearch made some changes to the CCDs on 24 Dec 2013. I'm trying to find out what was changed or added. Best regards, RON -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 9:55 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: [ZAF-INDEX] [CCD] [Mary Harper] Partial Index to CCD - 1944 -Herschel, Keiskammahoek-Kentani (only Kentani indexed), Libode-Lusikisiki, Maclear. Good Morning Dennis,Image No. 8 1944 Herschell is supposed to be for a MAARTENS, but is for someone else. Could you please let me have the correct image number.Regards,Rod g From:[email protected] Sent: 2014/02/08 08:47:28 PM To:[email protected] Cc: Subject: FW: [ZAF-INDEX] [CCD] [Mary Harper] Partial Index to CCD - 1944 -Herschel, Keiskammahoek-Kentani (only Kentani indexed),Libode-Lusikisiki, Maclear. -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] [ <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Harper Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:44 AM To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]; <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: [ZA-EC] Partial Index to CCD - 1944 - Herschel, Keiskammahoek-Kentani (only Kentani indexed), Libode-Lusikisiki, Maclear. >From <http://www.familysearch.org> www.familysearch.org To view documents: 1. Click Search on top row of homepage. 2. Scroll down to Browse by Location, click on Africa. 3. Click on South Africa, Cape Province, Civil Deaths, 1895-1972 4. Click on Browse through 2,216,270 images 5. Click on appropriate year. 6. Click on appropriate town. 7. Enter desired image # in Image # box Selected entries for 1944 - Herschel, Keiskammahoek-Kentani (only Kentani indexed), Libode-Lusikisiki and Maclear. (European and Mixed Race) Surname; Christian Name/s; Image No. Herschel 1944 ADAMS; Joseph; 40 BARKER; Johannes Frederik; 46 BESTER; Andreas Johannes Daniel; 37 COETZER; Wentzel Johannes; 14 DAMPIES; Denis; 60 GREYLING; Gideon Petrus; 45 HATTINGH; Cornelius Jacobus; 27 JACOBS; Adam; 5 JONGIES; Stuurman; 57 JOSEPH; Ben; 39 MARTENS born VAN HEERDEN; Johanna Magdalena Petronella; 8 MEYBURG; Abraham Charl; 29 NAUDE; Daniel Rudolf; 6 NEL; Jan Johannes; 32 NKONKI born LANGLEY; Alvina; 35 PRETORIUS born LESSING; Anna Cathrina; 13 ROSSOUW; Wynand Cornelius Stefanus; 51 SMITH born STRYDOM; Lucasina Susara; 10 SNYMAN born PLAATJIES; Mita; 41 THOMAS; Hendrik Johannes; 25 TROW; Herbert Cyril; 1 TUTTON; Thomas Henry; 2 VARRIE; Roman; 16 VENTER; Carel Stefanus Erasmus; 22 VENTER; Johannes Jacobus Cornelius; 58 Keiskammahoek-Kentani 1944 (only Kentani indexed) GOOSEN; Harry Jacob; 142 HARRISON; George John; 143 VAN ROOYEN born GROBLER; Johanna Helena; 144 Libode-Lusikisiki 1944 BROOKER; Ernest Cyril Clayton; 6 CHEMALY; Jennifer; 4 DOCKING; Sheila Brenda Catherine; 5 DOWNHAM; John; 1 Maclear 1944 ABRAHAMS; Henry; 11 BOARDMAN; Phillip Clarence; 38 BRITZ; Maria Elizabeth; 45 DE BEER; Johannes Benjamin; 30 DE LA REY; Gerhardus Petrus Pretorius; 28 DU RANDT; Diederick Frans Johannes; 7 FARO; Hanna; 29 KLAAS; Nomsisi; 40 KROUTZ; Isaac; 17 LEE; Michael; 39 MALHERBE; Marie Kathleen; 42 MARAIS; Charles Alexander; 49 MYBURGH; Isaac Albertus; 13 RAWLINS; Peter William; 43 ROSENTHAL; Herman; 37 SASS; Gallant Isaac; 41 VAN WYK; Pieter William Schalkwyk; 48 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

EASTERN PROVINCE HERALD, Port Elizabeth, Saturday, November 10, 2001. BIRTHS. CRONJE. – To Neil and Joanne (nee READING), a sin Nicholas Andrew on Thursday, November 8, 2001 in Paarl. Grandson for Keith and Marilyn and Izak and Pat. HAGEMANN. - To Gordon and Gretchen, a daughter Elizabeth Margaret, on Friday, November 9, 2001 at St George’s. Sister for Liam. A first grandchild for Margaret. DEATHS. CLARK. – Bertha, passed away on Tuesday, November 6, 2001. Remembered by Veronica and family; Bertha, Rubin, Jimmy, Tony, Gale, Charleen, Genevive, Darryn, Bronwen and Chandra. MALGAS. – Margaret (Phay), passed away on Friday, November 2, 2001. Remembered by your husband and family. FUNERAL NOTICES. EVANS. – John, passed away on Friday, November 9, 2001. Remembered by his wife Thelma, children Gwithian and John, Helen and Keverne, grandchildren Suzette, Nicola, David and great-grandchildren. The funeral service will take place on Monday, November 12, 2001 at Milnerton House Chapel, First Avenue Funeral Home, Walmer at 12.30 pm. Cremation private. MALGAS. – Margaret (Phay). The memorial service will be held at the R.O.A.C., Salsoneville, tomorrow (Sunday), November 11, 2001 at 1 pm. IN MEMORIAM. MULLER. – Fabian Sebastian, passed away 20 years ago today. Remembered by Mum, Dad, Darlene, Mario, Damien and family and your son Renell. PILLAY. – Preggie, passed away 10 years ago, today. Remembered by your mother Jancey, sister Devi, Gopi and all the children. TUNBRIDGE. – Peggy, passed away November 10, 1996. Reunited with your husband Doug. Missed by Phyllis. Transcribed by Carol BENEKE nee STEWART Port Elizabeth, South Africa. 083 482 1482 [email protected] ________________________ Researching: STEWART, STONE, LUKE, OLIVIER, BENEKE, BENECKE, VON BENECKE and related families. (28 years) https://www.facebook.com/groups/Beneke.Benecke.von.Benecke/

Hi Sue, Next piece of the puzzle - see http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/1116618/family/familygroup?fpid=-1045830744 They have William marrying Lucy in 1803, and dying 1813, which appears to fit our hypothesis. rgds -- Paul Tanner-Tremaine Hampshire, England email : [email protected] website : www.1820Settlers.com -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 4/8/14, Sue Mackay <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "SA List" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 12:54 PM Interesting. I have looked on the Old Bailey site and it seems that William was sentenced to six months and a public flogging! http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18100221-73&div=t18100221-73 If this is indeed him then it must have been pretty hard on Lucy. He was convicted on 19 February 1810 and she gave birth to Joseph on 2 April. Maybe that's why Joseph didn't survive as she was left to cope on her own. However, they seem to have had further children after his release, and indeed I have found a further baptism. Mary Anne Hewlet, daughter of William and Lucy FINNARTY, Skinner St, Greengrocer was baptised on 3 October 1813 in St.Pancras Old Church Skinner Street was where Lucy was living for the first "Ulyate" birth. Cheers Sue > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 11:41:38 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY > > Hi Sue, > > I think you are on the right track, as all those baptisms make sense.  I have also not found any marriages for Lucy to either William Finaughty or Henry Ulyate, but have found a possible clue as to why William and Lucy parted. > > On 26 February1810 a William Finnaughty was sentenced to imprisonment for larceny(theft).  Engand and Wales Criminal registers 1791 - 1892 held at the National Archives under Class HO 26; piece 16, page 32. It is a very feint copy on Ancestry and I cannot work out the terms of the sentence.  If he was interned for a few years, this could be why Lucy had the three Ulyate Finaughty children, who dropped the Finaughty name when they emigrated as 1820 Settlers?  Henry and Lucy couldn't marry, because William was still potentially alive, but passed themselves off as marrried in the new country?  Speculation? ;-) > > > Best regards > > Paul > -- > Paul Tanner-Tremaine > Hampshire, England > email      : [email protected] > website    : www.1820Settlers.com > > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 4/7/14, Sue Mackay <[email protected]> wrote: > >  Subject: [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY >  To: "SA List" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >  Date: Monday, April 7, 2014, 12:10 PM >  >  I have been updating the extra >  information on selected 1820 settlers available at http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/ (click on >  Additional Information on the right hand side). >  >  I have only included pre 1820 information from UK records >  taken from primary sources, as there seems to be so much >  conflicting information on SA settler sites. As I now have >  access to original images from parish registers held at the >  Westminster Archives  I have been able to add a few >  more specific dates and places to files already uploaded. >  >  I have also added a few new files (easily spotted, as the >  hit count is not yet in three figures!!) and will gradually >  be adding more as I find new records. >  >  New files include various members of WAINWRIGHT’s Party >  with information from original parish registers in the West >  Yorkshire Archives. >  >  Please let me know if you find any mistakes. >  >  One family has led me a merry dance, and information is >  exceedingly varied on the various settler sites, so I would >  be interested to know whether you think I have drawn the >  correct conclusion. This concerns the ULYATE and FINAUGHTY >  family who sailed with WAIT on the Zoroaster. >  >  The Settler Handbook says that Henry ULYATE and his wife >  Lucy had three children of their own (Mary, Henry and Sarah) >  in addition to George, who was born on the voyage. >  Travelling with them were three FINAUGHTY children, Lucy, >  William and John, said to be Henry’s stepchildren and thus >  Lucy’s children from her first marriage. >  >  I have found Lucy’s baptism. She was baptised as Lucy >  MOLES, daughter of John and Lucy, Millwright, on 2 January >  1785 in St.John Horselydown, Bermondsey (born 18 December >  1784) >  >  I have not found any marriage for Lucy. It does not help >  that some sites say her husband was John FINAUGHTY and >  others that he was William FINAUGHTY! It seems that she was >  married to a London greengrocer named William FINAUGHTY, >  however, as I have found the following baptisms: >  Lucy Moles, daughter of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, was >  baptised on 20 October 1805 in St.Mary's, Islington (born 11 >  July) >  George William, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, was >  baptised on 3 January 1808 in St.Mary's, Islington (born 22 >  August 1807) >  Joseph, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, was baptised on >  10 June 1810 in St.Pancras Old Church (born 2 April) >  John, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, Somers Town, >  Grocer, was baptised on 23 January 1814 in St.Pancras Old >  Church >  >  Assuming that Joseph died in infancy, the other three are >  plausible for the children who sailed as Henry’s >  stepchildren >  I don’t think that Lucy can actually have married Henry >  ULYATE, as the baptisms of “their” children all seem to >  have been listed as children of William FINAUGHTY, but with >  ULYATE as a middle name, which suggests to me that she left >  William and had a family with Henry, but was unable to marry >  Henry legitimately as William was still alive? Or have I >  missed something? >  >  Here are the baptisms – I can’t find one for a Sarah, >  and certainly not on the same page as Henry (the Settler >  Handbook suggests Henry and Sarah were twins) >  >  Henry Ulyat FINAUGHTY, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, >  Skinner Street, Greengrocer, baptised 2 April 1815 in >  St.Pancras Old Church >  Jane Ullyate FINAUGHTY, daughter of William and Lucy >  FINAUGHTY, Hampstead, Greengrocer, baptised 1 June 1817 in >  St.John's, Hampstead (born 22 November 1816) >  Maria Ulyate FINAUGHTY, daughter of William and Lucy >  FINAUGHTY, Hampstead, Greengrocer, baptised 14 June 1818 in >  St.John's, Hampstead (born 3 May) >  >  I’d be interested to here from descendants of this family >  to know if they have any proof of a marriage between Henry >  and Lucy. >  See http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/f-surnames/1769-finaughty-lucy-extra-data >  and http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/uvw-surnames/1768-ulyate-henry-extra-data >  Cheers >  SueSouth Wales, UK >      >          >            >    >    >  ------------------------------- >  To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >  subject and the body of the message > > > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message                           ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Interesting. I have looked on the Old Bailey site and it seems that William was sentenced to six months and a public flogging! http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18100221-73&div=t18100221-73 If this is indeed him then it must have been pretty hard on Lucy. He was convicted on 19 February 1810 and she gave birth to Joseph on 2 April. Maybe that's why Joseph didn't survive as she was left to cope on her own. However, they seem to have had further children after his release, and indeed I have found a further baptism. Mary Anne Hewlet, daughter of William and Lucy FINNARTY, Skinner St, Greengrocer was baptised on 3 October 1813 in St.Pancras Old Church Skinner Street was where Lucy was living for the first "Ulyate" birth. Cheers Sue > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 11:41:38 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY > > Hi Sue, > > I think you are on the right track, as all those baptisms make sense. I have also not found any marriages for Lucy to either William Finaughty or Henry Ulyate, but have found a possible clue as to why William and Lucy parted. > > On 26 February1810 a William Finnaughty was sentenced to imprisonment for larceny(theft). Engand and Wales Criminal registers 1791 - 1892 held at the National Archives under Class HO 26; piece 16, page 32. It is a very feint copy on Ancestry and I cannot work out the terms of the sentence. If he was interned for a few years, this could be why Lucy had the three Ulyate Finaughty children, who dropped the Finaughty name when they emigrated as 1820 Settlers? Henry and Lucy couldn't marry, because William was still potentially alive, but passed themselves off as marrried in the new country? Speculation? ;-) > > > Best regards > > Paul > -- > Paul Tanner-Tremaine > Hampshire, England > email : [email protected] > website : www.1820Settlers.com > > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 4/7/14, Sue Mackay <[email protected]> wrote: > > Subject: [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY > To: "SA List" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, April 7, 2014, 12:10 PM > > I have been updating the extra > information on selected 1820 settlers available at http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/ (click on > Additional Information on the right hand side). > > I have only included pre 1820 information from UK records > taken from primary sources, as there seems to be so much > conflicting information on SA settler sites. As I now have > access to original images from parish registers held at the > Westminster Archives I have been able to add a few > more specific dates and places to files already uploaded. > > I have also added a few new files (easily spotted, as the > hit count is not yet in three figures!!) and will gradually > be adding more as I find new records. > > New files include various members of WAINWRIGHT’s Party > with information from original parish registers in the West > Yorkshire Archives. > > Please let me know if you find any mistakes. > > One family has led me a merry dance, and information is > exceedingly varied on the various settler sites, so I would > be interested to know whether you think I have drawn the > correct conclusion. This concerns the ULYATE and FINAUGHTY > family who sailed with WAIT on the Zoroaster. > > The Settler Handbook says that Henry ULYATE and his wife > Lucy had three children of their own (Mary, Henry and Sarah) > in addition to George, who was born on the voyage. > Travelling with them were three FINAUGHTY children, Lucy, > William and John, said to be Henry’s stepchildren and thus > Lucy’s children from her first marriage. > > I have found Lucy’s baptism. She was baptised as Lucy > MOLES, daughter of John and Lucy, Millwright, on 2 January > 1785 in St.John Horselydown, Bermondsey (born 18 December > 1784) > > I have not found any marriage for Lucy. It does not help > that some sites say her husband was John FINAUGHTY and > others that he was William FINAUGHTY! It seems that she was > married to a London greengrocer named William FINAUGHTY, > however, as I have found the following baptisms: > Lucy Moles, daughter of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, was > baptised on 20 October 1805 in St.Mary's, Islington (born 11 > July) > George William, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, was > baptised on 3 January 1808 in St.Mary's, Islington (born 22 > August 1807) > Joseph, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, was baptised on > 10 June 1810 in St.Pancras Old Church (born 2 April) > John, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, Somers Town, > Grocer, was baptised on 23 January 1814 in St.Pancras Old > Church > > Assuming that Joseph died in infancy, the other three are > plausible for the children who sailed as Henry’s > stepchildren > I don’t think that Lucy can actually have married Henry > ULYATE, as the baptisms of “their” children all seem to > have been listed as children of William FINAUGHTY, but with > ULYATE as a middle name, which suggests to me that she left > William and had a family with Henry, but was unable to marry > Henry legitimately as William was still alive? Or have I > missed something? > > Here are the baptisms – I can’t find one for a Sarah, > and certainly not on the same page as Henry (the Settler > Handbook suggests Henry and Sarah were twins) > > Henry Ulyat FINAUGHTY, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, > Skinner Street, Greengrocer, baptised 2 April 1815 in > St.Pancras Old Church > Jane Ullyate FINAUGHTY, daughter of William and Lucy > FINAUGHTY, Hampstead, Greengrocer, baptised 1 June 1817 in > St.John's, Hampstead (born 22 November 1816) > Maria Ulyate FINAUGHTY, daughter of William and Lucy > FINAUGHTY, Hampstead, Greengrocer, baptised 14 June 1818 in > St.John's, Hampstead (born 3 May) > > I’d be interested to here from descendants of this family > to know if they have any proof of a marriage between Henry > and Lucy. > See http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/f-surnames/1769-finaughty-lucy-extra-data > and http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/uvw-surnames/1768-ulyate-henry-extra-data > Cheers > SueSouth Wales, UK > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sue, I think you are on the right track, as all those baptisms make sense. I have also not found any marriages for Lucy to either William Finaughty or Henry Ulyate, but have found a possible clue as to why William and Lucy parted. On 26 February1810 a William Finnaughty was sentenced to imprisonment for larceny(theft). Engand and Wales Criminal registers 1791 - 1892 held at the National Archives under Class HO 26; piece 16, page 32. It is a very feint copy on Ancestry and I cannot work out the terms of the sentence. If he was interned for a few years, this could be why Lucy had the three Ulyate Finaughty children, who dropped the Finaughty name when they emigrated as 1820 Settlers? Henry and Lucy couldn't marry, because William was still potentially alive, but passed themselves off as marrried in the new country? Speulation? ;-) Best regards Paul -- Paul Tanner-Tremaine Hampshire, England email      : [email protected] website    : www.1820Settlers.com -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 4/7/14, Sue Mackay <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: [ZA-EC] ULYATE and FINAUGHTY To: "SA List" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Monday, April 7, 2014, 12:10 PM I have been updating the extra information on selected 1820 settlers available at http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/ (click on Additional Information on the right hand side). I have only included pre 1820 information from UK records taken from primary sources, as there seems to be so much conflicting information on SA settler sites. As I now have access to original images from parish registers held at the Westminster Archives  I have been able to add a few more specific dates and places to files already uploaded. I have also added a few new files (easily spotted, as the hit count is not yet in three figures!!) and will gradually be adding more as I find new records. New files include various members of WAINWRIGHT’s Party with information from original parish registers in the West Yorkshire Archives. Please let me know if you find any mistakes. One family has led me a merry dance, and information is exceedingly varied on the various settler sites, so I would be interested to know whether you think I have drawn the correct conclusion. This concerns the ULYATE and FINAUGHTY family who sailed with WAIT on the Zoroaster. The Settler Handbook says that Henry ULYATE and his wife Lucy had three children of their own (Mary, Henry and Sarah) in addition to George, who was born on the voyage. Travelling with them were three FINAUGHTY children, Lucy, William and John, said to be Henry’s stepchildren and thus Lucy’s children from her first marriage. I have found Lucy’s baptism. She was baptised as Lucy MOLES, daughter of John and Lucy, Millwright, on 2 January 1785 in St.John Horselydown, Bermondsey (born 18 December 1784) I have not found any marriage for Lucy. It does not help that some sites say her husband was John FINAUGHTY and others that he was William FINAUGHTY! It seems that she was married to a London greengrocer named William FINAUGHTY, however, as I have found the following baptisms: Lucy Moles, daughter of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, was baptised on 20 October 1805 in St.Mary's, Islington (born 11 July) George William, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, was baptised on 3 January 1808 in St.Mary's, Islington (born 22 August 1807) Joseph, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, was baptised on 10 June 1810 in St.Pancras Old Church (born 2 April) John, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, Somers Town, Grocer, was baptised on 23 January 1814 in St.Pancras Old Church Assuming that Joseph died in infancy, the other three are plausible for the children who sailed as Henry’s stepchildren I don’t think that Lucy can actually have married Henry ULYATE, as the baptisms of “their” children all seem to have been listed as children of William FINAUGHTY, but with ULYATE as a middle name, which suggests to me that she left William and had a family with Henry, but was unable to marry Henry legitimately as William was still alive? Or have I missed something? Here are the baptisms – I can’t find one for a Sarah, and certainly not on the same page as Henry (the Settler Handbook suggests Henry and Sarah were twins) Henry Ulyat FINAUGHTY, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, Skinner Street, Greengrocer, baptised 2 April 1815 in St.Pancras Old Church Jane Ullyate FINAUGHTY, daughter of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, Hampstead, Greengrocer, baptised 1 June 1817 in St.John's, Hampstead (born 22 November 1816) Maria Ulyate FINAUGHTY, daughter of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, Hampstead, Greengrocer, baptised 14 June 1818 in St.John's, Hampstead (born 3 May) I’d be interested to here from descendants of this family to know if they have any proof of a marriage between Henry and Lucy. See http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/f-surnames/1769-finaughty-lucy-extra-data and http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/uvw-surnames/1768-ulyate-henry-extra-data Cheers SueSouth Wales, UK                               ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Thank you so much Sue, Best Wishes, Dorri ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 19:32:54 +0100 > Subject: [ZA-EC] Index to 1820 Settler Correspondence > > This is just to let you know that my Excel file index to the settler correspondence can now be downloaded from the eggsa site at > http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/lists-of-settlers > This is the old file that was originally on genealogyworld and 1820settlers.com, and I have had a few requests for it since it disappeared. > Also available to download from the same place are two Excel files prepared by Robin Griffiths, one a complete list of the 1820 settlers and the other a list of those who emigrated between 1821 and 1826. > Cheers > Sue > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is just to let you know that my Excel file index to the settler correspondence can now be downloaded from the eggsa site at http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/lists-of-settlers This is the old file that was originally on genealogyworld and 1820settlers.com, and I have had a few requests for it since it disappeared. Also available to download from the same place are two Excel files prepared by Robin Griffiths, one a complete list of the 1820 settlers and the other a list of those who emigrated between 1821 and 1826. Cheers Sue

Jennifer's query has brought to light an interesting difference of opinion. The 1820 website suggested by Shani Schreuder shows the HOBSON in question to be descended from 1820 Settler William Carey HOBSON and his wife Susannah BONNIN. (William Carey was the younger of the two HOBSON lads who came out with William SMITH's party). This is in conflict with :- a) Records contained in the HOBSON file in the 1820 Settlers' Memorial Museum (maybe now with Corey Library?) b) HOBSON genealogy compiled by Peter Smits. c) Heese & Lombard's South African Genealogies In my view the marriage of the HOBSON concerned to Elixabeth ROBERTS is definitive, but maybe this call for a true blue HOBSON researcher to step forward and resolve the matter. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Kirkman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] HOBSON, Edmund Ernest Roberts > Hi Jenn, > > His parents were William Carey HOBSON II and Elizabeth ROBERTS. > > He was a son of 1820 Settler David HOBSON and his wife Mary Ann ROBINSON > (and not, note, of David's younger brother of the same name. i.e. William > Carey HOBSON I). > > Elizabeth was a granddaughter of 1820 Settler Daniel ROBERTS (her father > had > the same name, i.e."Daniel") > > Regards, > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham and Jennifer Lloyd" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 8:46 AM > Subject: [ZA-EC] HOBSON, Edmund Ernest Roberts > > >> Hi >> Can anyone give me the parents of this farmer of Aberdeen, born about >> 1863 >> Cheers >> Jenn >> >> >> Graham & Jennifer Lloyd >> [Genealogical & Historical Research] >> Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 >> Mobile: 0824037343 >> email: [email protected] >> www.southafricanfamily.com >> >> I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been updating the extra information on selected 1820 settlers available at http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/ (click on Additional Information on the right hand side). I have only included pre 1820 information from UK records taken from primary sources, as there seems to be so much conflicting information on SA settler sites. As I now have access to original images from parish registers held at the Westminster Archives I have been able to add a few more specific dates and places to files already uploaded. I have also added a few new files (easily spotted, as the hit count is not yet in three figures!!) and will gradually be adding more as I find new records. New files include various members of WAINWRIGHT’s Party with information from original parish registers in the West Yorkshire Archives. Please let me know if you find any mistakes. One family has led me a merry dance, and information is exceedingly varied on the various settler sites, so I would be interested to know whether you think I have drawn the correct conclusion. This concerns the ULYATE and FINAUGHTY family who sailed with WAIT on the Zoroaster. The Settler Handbook says that Henry ULYATE and his wife Lucy had three children of their own (Mary, Henry and Sarah) in addition to George, who was born on the voyage. Travelling with them were three FINAUGHTY children, Lucy, William and John, said to be Henry’s stepchildren and thus Lucy’s children from her first marriage. I have found Lucy’s baptism. She was baptised as Lucy MOLES, daughter of John and Lucy, Millwright, on 2 January 1785 in St.John Horselydown, Bermondsey (born 18 December 1784) I have not found any marriage for Lucy. It does not help that some sites say her husband was John FINAUGHTY and others that he was William FINAUGHTY! It seems that she was married to a London greengrocer named William FINAUGHTY, however, as I have found the following baptisms: Lucy Moles, daughter of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, was baptised on 20 October 1805 in St.Mary's, Islington (born 11 July) George William, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, was baptised on 3 January 1808 in St.Mary's, Islington (born 22 August 1807) Joseph, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, was baptised on 10 June 1810 in St.Pancras Old Church (born 2 April) John, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, Somers Town, Grocer, was baptised on 23 January 1814 in St.Pancras Old Church Assuming that Joseph died in infancy, the other three are plausible for the children who sailed as Henry’s stepchildren I don’t think that Lucy can actually have married Henry ULYATE, as the baptisms of “their” children all seem to have been listed as children of William FINAUGHTY, but with ULYATE as a middle name, which suggests to me that she left William and had a family with Henry, but was unable to marry Henry legitimately as William was still alive? Or have I missed something? Here are the baptisms – I can’t find one for a Sarah, and certainly not on the same page as Henry (the Settler Handbook suggests Henry and Sarah were twins) Henry Ulyat FINAUGHTY, son of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, Skinner Street, Greengrocer, baptised 2 April 1815 in St.Pancras Old Church Jane Ullyate FINAUGHTY, daughter of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, Hampstead, Greengrocer, baptised 1 June 1817 in St.John's, Hampstead (born 22 November 1816) Maria Ulyate FINAUGHTY, daughter of William and Lucy FINAUGHTY, Hampstead, Greengrocer, baptised 14 June 1818 in St.John's, Hampstead (born 3 May) I’d be interested to here from descendants of this family to know if they have any proof of a marriage between Henry and Lucy. See http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/f-surnames/1769-finaughty-lucy-extra-data and http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/uvw-surnames/1768-ulyate-henry-extra-data Cheers SueSouth Wales, UK

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Hi Jenn, Check out the eGSSA cemetery library - you will find images of both their headstones in the Jansenville cemetery. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Kirkman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] HOBSON, Edmund Ernest Roberts > Hi Jenn, > > His parents were William Carey HOBSON II and Elizabeth ROBERTS. > > He was a son of 1820 Settler David HOBSON and his wife Mary Ann ROBINSON > (and not, note, of David's younger brother of the same name. i.e. William > Carey HOBSON I). > > Elizabeth was a granddaughter of 1820 Settler Daniel ROBERTS (her father > had the same name, i.e."Daniel") > > Regards, > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham and Jennifer Lloyd" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 8:46 AM > Subject: [ZA-EC] HOBSON, Edmund Ernest Roberts > > >> Hi >> Can anyone give me the parents of this farmer of Aberdeen, born about >> 1863 >> Cheers >> Jenn >> >> >> Graham & Jennifer Lloyd >> [Genealogical & Historical Research] >> Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 >> Mobile: 0824037343 >> email: [email protected] >> www.southafricanfamily.com >> >> I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >

Hi Jenn, His parents were William Carey HOBSON II and Elizabeth ROBERTS. He was a son of 1820 Settler David HOBSON and his wife Mary Ann ROBINSON (and not, note, of David's younger brother of the same name. i.e. William Carey HOBSON I). Elizabeth was a granddaughter of 1820 Settler Daniel ROBERTS (her father had the same name, i.e."Daniel") Regards, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham and Jennifer Lloyd" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 8:46 AM Subject: [ZA-EC] HOBSON, Edmund Ernest Roberts > Hi > Can anyone give me the parents of this farmer of Aberdeen, born about 1863 > Cheers > Jenn > > > Graham & Jennifer Lloyd > [Genealogical & Historical Research] > Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 > Mobile: 0824037343 > email: [email protected] > www.southafricanfamily.com > > I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message