Google Johannes Lottering and Emeline Grace Hillman and you will find discussions on the two -----Original Message----- I have the marriage of Emeline Grace Hillman to Johannes Lottering March 14th 1917, East London, signed by the magistrate. I'm not clear as to whether or not this is a Church marriage register, it does say by publication of banns, or the civil record of the marriage.  I'm wondering if possibly there are more records that might cover this marriage, particularly stating the name of the grooms father, occupation etc.  Since the date of this marriage there is no further mention of Emeline or Johannes anywhere. If anyone has suggestions on what to do next I'd be very glad of any advice! kind regards Judith

Hi, This marriage is in the Civil Registers collection, so I assume they married in court. Have you tried a 'NAAIRS' search,( http://www.national.archives.gov.za/naairs_content.htm) for either party. I tried but they seem to be down this morning. Barbara -----Original Message----- I have the marriage of Emeline Grace Hillman to Johannes Lottering March 14th 1917, East London, signed by the magistrate. I'm not clear as to whether or not this is a Church marriage register, it does say by publication of banns, or the civil record of the marriage.  I'm wondering if possibly there are more records that might cover this marriage, particularly stating the name of the grooms father, occupation etc.  Since the date of this marriage there is no further mention of Emeline or Johannes anywhere. If anyone has suggestions on what to do next I'd be very glad of any advice! kind regards Judith

On Jan 20, 2015, at 2:02 AM, The Revd Fr Brian Tee via wrote: > > "Originally an acre represented roughly the extent of land that could be > ploughed by a span of oxen in a day, and a morgen, as the name implies, that > which could be ploughed in a morning. . it is difficult to explain why the > Rhynland morgen is more than twice the area of a English acre." A morgen was formerly used by many countries to measure land, and it has varied from half an acre to about 2.5 acres. eg. in Prussia and Scandinavia, equal to about two thirds of an acre. It is supposed to be the amount plowed by one man in a morning - not necessariy using oxen. Rijnland morgen was based on Rijnland roede (based on the length of a "rod" used for measuring length) so if you changed the formal length of a rod, (which happened several times in Dutch history and wich originated as five foot British) then it automatically changed the area of a morgen. The Dutch had multiple rod lengths: The most common roede used in the Netherlands was the Rijnland rod. • one Rijnland rod (Rijnlandse roede) was 14.19 m² • one Amsterdam rod (Amsterdamse roede) was 13.52 m² • one 's-Hertogenbosch rod (Bossche roede) was 33.1 m² • one Breda rod (Bredase roede) was 32.26 m² • one Groningen rod (Groningse roede) was 16.72 m² • one Hondsbos rod (Hondsbosse roede) was 11.71 m² In 1816, the Dutch had to conform to French rules for metric measures, and so they merely allocated their familiar names (morgen, rood etc) to metric quantities, including for example: 1 vierkante roede (square rod) = 1 acre or 100 square meters (British has 4 roods equal to one acre) The measurement systems were an inconsistent mess for a long time :-) Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.Furryboots.info (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Hi, I have the marriage of Emeline Grace Hillman to Johannes Lottering March 14th 1917, East London, signed by the magistrate. I'm not clear as to whether or not this is a Church marriage register, it does say by publication of banns, or the civil record of the marriage.  I'm wondering if possibly there are more records that might cover this marriage, particularly stating the name of the grooms father, occupation etc.  Since the date of this marriage there is no further mention of Emeline or Johannes anywhere. If anyone has suggestions on what to do next I'd be very glad of any advice! kind regards Judith

"It is probable that several years elapsed between the date of the first occupation of the Cape by Van Riebeek, on the part of Holland, and the time when land surveying was taken up as a profession, or became necessary: for so long as the views of the Dutch Government were confined to a settlement in Table Valley for the purpose of supplying ships with fresh provisions, it is probable that the division or allotment of ground was altogether subservient to that object. But when individual interests sprung up and accumulated with increasing population, the fertile land about Stellenbosch, the Paarl, and Groenekloof became tenanted, and about the year 1744, the loan places or annual tenures at the will of the Government had extended to the north of Piquetberg. "The loan tenure was introduced by the Dutch Government at a very early date. It consisted simply of an annual lease, renewable annually, on payment of rent fixed by the Government. No legal title was issued, nor survey made: the position being defined by a central point, which was generally a local feature, as a spring of water or conspicuous rock, and often a beacon was planted where no local feature existed. From this central point, generally known as the 'ordinantie', the right of the lessee extended no further than a walk of half an hour direct out from the selected centre, which was considered to be, and adopted as the radius of a circle containing 3000 morgen." "By a proclamation dated 16th October, 1812, the Government expressed the intention to grant land on perpetual quitrent; . and on 23rd July, 1813, an advertisement appeared conveying the intention of the Governor to grant land only on a reservation of quitrent, and that no grant should be made, unless upon a survey and diagram regularly 'executed and prepared by the surveyor appointed by Government' " "Originally an acre represented roughly the extent of land that could be ploughed by a span of oxen in a day, and a morgen, as the name implies, that which could be ploughed in a morning. . it is difficult to explain why the Rhynland morgen is more than twice the area of a English acre." Taken from Special Publication No 2 of the Trigometrical Survey, Department of Lands. Unfortunately I don't have the date of publication. Regards, Brian+.

Dear Brian, In answer to your question:Obviously the German oxen and their farmer were TWICE as efficient as the English ones :-) ! Regrds, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Revd Fr Brian Tee via" <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 12:02 PM Subject: [ZA-EC] Measuring a morgen > "It is probable that several years elapsed between the date of the first > occupation of the Cape by Van Riebeek, on the part of Holland, and the > time > when land surveying was taken up as a profession, or became necessary: for > so long as the views of the Dutch Government were confined to a settlement > in Table Valley for the purpose of supplying ships with fresh provisions, > it > is probable that the division or allotment of ground was altogether > subservient to that object. But when individual interests sprung up and > accumulated with increasing population, the fertile land about > Stellenbosch, > the Paarl, and Groenekloof became tenanted, and about the year 1744, the > loan places or annual tenures at the will of the Government had extended > to > the north of Piquetberg. > > "The loan tenure was introduced by the Dutch Government at a very early > date. It consisted simply of an annual lease, renewable annually, on > payment of rent fixed by the Government. No legal title was issued, nor > survey made: the position being defined by a central point, which was > generally a local feature, as a spring of water or conspicuous rock, and > often a beacon was planted where no local feature existed. From this > central point, generally known as the 'ordinantie', the right of the > lessee > extended no further than a walk of half an hour direct out from the > selected > centre, which was considered to be, and adopted as the radius of a circle > containing 3000 morgen." > > "By a proclamation dated 16th October, 1812, the Government expressed the > intention to grant land on perpetual quitrent; . and on 23rd July, 1813, > an > advertisement appeared conveying the intention of the Governor to grant > land > only on a reservation of quitrent, and that no grant should be made, > unless > upon a survey and diagram regularly 'executed and prepared by the surveyor > appointed by Government' " > > "Originally an acre represented roughly the extent of land that could be > ploughed by a span of oxen in a day, and a morgen, as the name implies, > that > which could be ploughed in a morning. . it is difficult to explain why > the > Rhynland morgen is more than twice the area of a English acre." > > Taken from Special Publication No 2 of the Trigometrical Survey, > Department > of Lands. Unfortunately I don't have the date of publication. > > Regards, > > Brian+. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have: Christian James Welch (Chrisjan) x Uniondale 18.3.1907 Dorothea Anna Maria Strydom *11.2.1887 d.v. Johan Daniel Wilhelm (Jan Pyp) Strydom *13.10.1856 George x Uniondale 5.6.1882 Margaretha Aletta Strydom, *15.10.1860, dv Ockert Tobias (Witokker) Strydom & Catharina Elizabeth Strydom [e11f4] Father of: Benjamin George Welch, Krakeelrivier x Dirkje Margaretha Aletta Kemp I could not find any information on NAAIRS, Familysearch, google. Any info would be appreciated. Thank you Denise Wheeler (Wheeler, Mouton, Dauth, Rossouw and now Welch) Pretoria

Hi There Here is an article on land measurements http://www.ancestors.co.za/weights-and-measures/ Legislation on weights and measures passed by the two British colonies in the Cape and Natal, as well as in the two inland republics, retained the Dutch or Cape area measure of 1 morgen = 600 square roods = 2,116 acres; but they all favoured the British standards of weight and measure of length and contents, although the Transvaal scheduled the Dutch and the metric units as alternatives. Natal prescribed Imperial land measure, the acre, subdivided into 43 560 English square feet; and this was the legal unit in that province, excepting the northern districts of Vryheid and Utrecht, which belonged to the Transvaal until 1902 and therefore retained the morgen. The acre, however, was used outside Natal as a popular unit for land sales, especially for small properties, but not as an official measuring unit. Regards Heather From: The Revd Fr Brian Tee via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: The Revd Fr Brian Tee <snottygobble@bigpond.com>, <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 12:02 PM To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ZA-EC] Measuring a morgen "It is probable that several years elapsed between the date of the first occupation of the Cape by Van Riebeek, on the part of Holland, and the time when land surveying was taken up as a profession, or became necessary: for so long as the views of the Dutch Government were confined to a settlement in Table Valley for the purpose of supplying ships with fresh provisions, it is probable that the division or allotment of ground was altogether subservient to that object. But when individual interests sprung up and accumulated with increasing population, the fertile land about Stellenbosch, the Paarl, and Groenekloof became tenanted, and about the year 1744, the loan places or annual tenures at the will of the Government had extended to the north of Piquetberg. "The loan tenure was introduced by the Dutch Government at a very early date. It consisted simply of an annual lease, renewable annually, on payment of rent fixed by the Government. No legal title was issued, nor survey made: the position being defined by a central point, which was generally a local feature, as a spring of water or conspicuous rock, and often a beacon was planted where no local feature existed. From this central point, generally known as the 'ordinantie', the right of the lessee extended no further than a walk of half an hour direct out from the selected centre, which was considered to be, and adopted as the radius of a circle containing 3000 morgen." "By a proclamation dated 16th October, 1812, the Government expressed the intention to grant land on perpetual quitrent; . and on 23rd July, 1813, an advertisement appeared conveying the intention of the Governor to grant land only on a reservation of quitrent, and that no grant should be made, unless upon a survey and diagram regularly 'executed and prepared by the surveyor appointed by Government' " "Originally an acre represented roughly the extent of land that could be ploughed by a span of oxen in a day, and a morgen, as the name implies, that which could be ploughed in a morning. . it is difficult to explain why the Rhynland morgen is more than twice the area of a English acre." Taken from Special Publication No 2 of the Trigometrical Survey, Department of Lands. Unfortunately I don't have the date of publication. Regards, Brian+. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Brian - very well put. This mirrors my own research on the subject. The chap I'm researching acquired a piece of land in 1827 just outside of (present day) Carnarvon in the Karoo. I'm assuming that it was granted to him as a Loan farm - although I could not find any record to the effect at our CT Archives. What intrigues me is how, when they got round to surveying it in 1838, it measured 13363 morg and not approximately 3000 morg. He only ever possessed this perpetual quitrent farm and one other farm that he bought later in life. Any thoughts on how he may have ended up with a Loan Farm of 13363 morg? Kind regards Brian Benningfield Phones: 27(0)832759857 or 27(0)219758695    Fax: 27(0)866848582 Skype: brianben44   E-Mail: brian.ben44@gmail.com Researching: The BEN(N)INGFIELD; EYBERS; van TUBBERGH; DANIEL; VAN ASWEGEN; LATSKY and related families. -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of The Revd Fr Brian Tee via Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 12:03 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Measuring a morgen "It is probable that several years elapsed between the date of the first occupation of the Cape by Van Riebeek, on the part of Holland, and the time when land surveying was taken up as a profession, or became necessary: for so long as the views of the Dutch Government were confined to a settlement in Table Valley for the purpose of supplying ships with fresh provisions, it is probable that the division or allotment of ground was altogether subservient to that object. But when individual interests sprung up and accumulated with increasing population, the fertile land about Stellenbosch, the Paarl, and Groenekloof became tenanted, and about the year 1744, the loan places or annual tenures at the will of the Government had extended to the north of Piquetberg. "The loan tenure was introduced by the Dutch Government at a very early date. It consisted simply of an annual lease, renewable annually, on payment of rent fixed by the Government. No legal title was issued, nor survey made: the position being defined by a central point, which was generally a local feature, as a spring of water or conspicuous rock, and often a beacon was planted where no local feature existed. From this central point, generally known as the 'ordinantie', the right of the lessee extended no further than a walk of half an hour direct out from the selected centre, which was considered to be, and adopted as the radius of a circle containing 3000 morgen." "By a proclamation dated 16th October, 1812, the Government expressed the intention to grant land on perpetual quitrent; . and on 23rd July, 1813, an advertisement appeared conveying the intention of the Governor to grant land only on a reservation of quitrent, and that no grant should be made, unless upon a survey and diagram regularly 'executed and prepared by the surveyor appointed by Government' " "Originally an acre represented roughly the extent of land that could be ploughed by a span of oxen in a day, and a morgen, as the name implies, that which could be ploughed in a morning. . it is difficult to explain why the Rhynland morgen is more than twice the area of a English acre." Taken from Special Publication No 2 of the Trigometrical Survey, Department of Lands. Unfortunately I don't have the date of publication. Regards, Brian+. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2249 / Virus Database: 4257/8460 - Release Date: 01/19/15

Good afternoon. What is the best way of going about tracing the biological parent/s of a person born in 1973. The person was born in Benoni. The mother was 16 and not married. Any ideas please. Neil.

I am involved in a small way, as a member of a Zimbabwean group, in helping to reunite adopted Zim children and biological parents. The South African group is run by this lady - https://www.facebook.com/willie.karnavos?fref=pb_other - who will be able to advise you. She may already have the parents you are looking for in her register. You could also have a look at this site - http://www.adopteeconnect.com/p/a/160 Good luck, Mary -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil Holmes via Sent: 20 January 2015 10:32 To: SA Roots Web; SA Eastern Cape Roots Web; SA L Roots Web Subject: [ZA-EC] TRACING BIOLOGICAL PARENT/S OF A PERSON Good afternoon. What is the best way of going about tracing the biological parent/s of a person born in 1973. The person was born in Benoni. The mother was 16 and not married. Any ideas please. Neil. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The latest batch of transcripts has been added to eggsa at http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.php/grahamstown-journal/1152-grahamstown-journal-1854-3-july-to-september I have also updated the files from 1840 to 1843 inclusive, which you can find at http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.php/grahamstown-journal Even although most of these have been posted before, some new material has been added, and corrections have been made. The original newspapers that I photograph from, both at Kew and at the British Library, are in large binders, and if the BMDs are at the edge nearest the binding then sometimes I had to use guess work or question marks. The digitised issues from the World Newspaper Archive have revealed all! It may be worth reiterating for new listers that the first file for 1843 contains the complete passenger list for the Margaret Hardy, which left London on 17 October 1842. It is rare to find complete passengers lists. Most reports of ship arrivals very frustratingly say "with 200 immigrants on board" or "with 150 in steerage"! Sue

SO glad you enjoyed it Moira. Several folks wrote to me to say so, I had hoped it would be interesting. Namaste, Irene On Jan 18, 2015, at 2:34 AM, moira macdonald wrote: > Equally grateful thanks from me Irene. > When you see today, words such as 'intrepid' used to name such things as spacecraft, which now do our human pioneering (by proxy), you feel something of what the original meaning of the word has been lost. > 'Doughty' is another word that attempts to describe the inner toughness and self-resourcefulness that our forebears clearly had in spades! > What an able, intelligent and likeable man AJK was. > Best regards, > Moira > > From: Fay Lea > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:59 PM > To: 'Irene de Villiers' ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Travel by horse in 19th century SA > > Hi Irene, > Thank you so much for sharing. Amazing insight into the life and time. > > We used to go to Katberg on family holidays in the late '50's. Parents, two > older brothers and myself wedged in between in a small Hillman - it was > always a challenge! Nothing like AJK suffered on horseback. > > Kind regards > > Fay > > > To: rodg via > Subject: [ZA-EC] Travel by horse in 19th century SA > > In 1906, my great grandfather ALEXANDER JAMES KIDWELL, (AJK) grandson of > 1920 settler Alexander KIDWELL, wrote the story of his life, at the request > of his children. I have a photcopy as a backup of the book, the original > being inherited by my 88 yr old uncle (eldest male of his generation). > It describes 19th century life in South Africa from 1820, and makes > fascinating reading. He writes well, it could easily be a movie. > > I made copious notes last time I read it, hoping to be able to answer > questions that come up here, now and then, from his book. So far, no:-) > > Perhaps a description of travel on hoseback in 19th century would be > suitable just now, after all the talk of days by horse, so here are some > excerpts of what that was like. I hope you enjoy. > > Background first: > He explains and names his several horses for different purposes, and relied > heavily on them for his safety when travelling. One would be used for farm > work, but another would be his favorite horse for long distace journeys > with overnight stops at whatever farm was nearest at suset, another for > sprints to fetch a doctor. Others were for pulling wagons, though freight > wagons used oxen as he explained they could go up steep terrain better to > cross mountains, and the horse would be tetherefd alongside for the steep > parts on long trips. He went from E Cape to Tvl and back to sell and buy > wool and goods in Tvl for example, by ox wagon. He had a general store, > traded wool, sent it on wagons to the coast to get shipped to UK for sale > there, and was a busy fellow on his own farm with cattle, sheep, goats and > chickens. He supported his mom (who had 7 chilcren when their father was > murdered and AJK was just 14). Shipping wool for UK sale had a very slow > turnaround and he had to buy it! > up front, and take a risk that the UK price would be okay. He lost his > shirt now and then and had to dream up a new scheme (eg Tvl trip) to make it > all good. > .. . Horses back then were incredibly important, and specificaly tasked and > fit for specific duties. > > Some snippets: > "Katberg cutting was a formiddable venture for horses, so I hired 4 oxen and > a driver, sending my horses ahead. It takes 5 hrs to climb Katberg with oxen > in cart instead of horses. On the summit we sat down to lunch..." > > They typically stayed at whatever farmhouse was near at sunset, examples: > Apr 1868 "I reached Hans GREYLING's about two hrs before sunset. He begged > me to stay the night but I told him I must push on to Daniel HATTINGH's or I > would not get home by the next evening. Old Hans told me that Hattingh never > gave shelter to an Englishman.,,,,,As the sun set I arrived at Hattingh's. > The old card was sitting on his stoep. I greeted him in his own language and > claimed to be van Rensburg. ...He asked if I wanted to outspan...get forage > and put horses in the stable. Conversation over coffee had me saying I was > from Nek, which led to Dame Hattingh talking of the GREEFs in Adelaide. I > was abe to give the old dame all the particulars and conversation went to 11 > o clock! I confessed I had deceived them and why I had done so. They > answered that if all English were like me, they would be glad to accommodate > all who came." > > He describes a day during his Adelaide to Grahamstown trip in 1861 - the day > he rode from Fort Brown to Grahamstown. It is NOT for me: > "I started before dawn in drizzling rain. I has a waterproof Inverness(?), > leggings and top boots." > At Tower Hill cutting a dozen natives separated to right and left of where I > had to pass. I determined to dash through. One of them must have seen the > butt of my revolver as he said Myekela! (leave him alone) and I raced > through and to the Inn a few miles further....." > "The last stage of the journey had a cutting called Queen's Road (where the > Queen's regiment had literally been cut to pieces in the 1845 war). I felt > nervous. The road was lined with dense bush and was narrow and lonely, and I > held my revolver across my pack as I descended Brak River Hill down into the > gulley. > (Next bit longwinded but a native jumped on the side of his horse holding > the stirrups, and he managed to get him off without shooting him, just > showing his gun. He describes how any bird flying up or any other small > noise had him shaking with nerves.) He got to Queens Road, a nine mile > cutting........ > "Suddenly there was .. a mass of fully a 1000 natives. They were unarmed > except the proverbial Kerrie..... I realized it was not arms but tact that > was now needed. I holstered my revolver and rode up to the hindmost boldly > as I could and asked him to pilot me through. He asked for tobacco. I handed > him my pouch and my pipe. He was delighted and striking up some queer > jabbering, commenced parting the mass. My guide who spoke some Dutch, told > me they were going to Grahamstown to protest their loyalty. The full nine > miles of Queens Road cutting was filled with natives of this loyalty > exhibition group. At the end I gave him half a crown and pushed on to > Grahamstown without further incident." > > "From Keiskama nr KingWmstown, I had a long ride before me though dense > forest. My uncle gave me a guide, an old servant of the family, to pilot me. > I could not have found my way unaided. At dusk we found a woodcutters > cottage, and an old chappie on crutches at the front door. I explained who I > was, where I came from, and where I was going etc, but he chaffed me, > offering me a bed on the roof, etc. Finally the wife arrived and > remonstrated with him, invited me to dismount and enter their humble abode. > I managed to get the horses hobbled as darkness fell and they agreed to put > us up for the night. Conversation flowed... > At daybreak I left in heavily pouring rain, stopped at Royal Hotel for > breakfast ten miles later, and managed to get directions to continue, the > rain not letting up. When I arrived at my new residence to be, not a soul > was to be seen. Everything looked dreary and lonely. And for this I had left > my dear one (fiancee) to start anew. I am not ashamed to say I shed a tear > or two" (They did marry once he was well established, and had been secretly > engaged from about age 14). > > In 1874, Jamestown came into existence, 8 miles from Nek: > "For years and years we were deprived of many comforts in order not to go > into bankruptcy. We lost two infant sons buried in Aliwal North and two > daughters buried in Jamestown (smallpox). Deciding on the plan to buy part > of a farm and immediately turn it over into a town called JAMESTOWN, went > as follows: > J Bradfield, J Wagenaar (who owned the land where Jamestown now stands) and > I, A. James KIDWELL, entered into an agreement whereby Wagenaar would get > 1300 pounds for half his farm Plessiskraal, plus a third share of any > profit, IF the sale of the township was a success. Two hundred erven were > surveyed and the sale took place on 22 Dec 1874 when some 180 erven were > disposed of. After deducting the 1300 plus the costs for surveying and for > drawings etc we had 1500 pounds profit, so 500 for each of us. I got > Wagenaar to build me a shop (by Jun 1875), the first building, and a house > (by Oct 1875) which I leased for 5 yrs to pay it off at 150 pounds a year, > and this was the start of prosperity for me." > (The Kidwell family house in Jamestown was called "Calumet" and stayed with > the family till my grandmother died.) > > .................................... > Namaste, > Irene > > -- > Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. > P.O. 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On Jan 18, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Patti Putter wrote: > Hi Irene > > A friend of mine worked with a lady called Liz Eshmade who has written a book on the lives of the "Lesser known" 1820 settlers - this is what she had written about your Kidwells. I am sure you are familiar with the story... > > Regards > Patti Dear Patti, How VERY kind of you to type this all out for me and send it, I am so grateful. It does add some items! I can add a few pieces also about the mysteries mentioned. > Alexander and Phoebe were aged 38 years and 32 years respectively when they came to the Colony with Holder’s Party. Alexander was a labourer and was probably born in London. Well....... Here's how it really was: Alexander KIDWELL was a book binder in the UK, born in London in 1782. His parents hailed from Plymouth and Alexander's father, a naval officer, had gone down with his ship off the Malta coat. But one did not get free passage to South Africa as an 1820 settler, if one listed "Book Binder" as occupation, as there was not a call for them in SA. So it was customary to list oneself as a labourer, as it was inarguably an activity needed in SA, and it required no training to prove the occupation, and so that qualified one for free passage as an 1820 Settler. Many people listed themsleves as "labourer" as that made them "worthy" or "qualified" as a new settler to be useful in SA. I do not know where he met his wife Phebe Tubb, (not Phoebe though many presumed that to be the spelling) but she was born in Lampeter Wales in 1790. They married in London in 1816 and lived at Bristol. Their first child, Tomas Richard KIDWELL was born there 6 Feb 1819 but died Oct the same year and is buried in the Baptist Burial ground there. The other children were born in SA. It is confusing because the second child, a boy, was given the identical name of the first chld, Thomas Richard KIDWELL, in honor of the lost infant, also to follow the family name tradition as the first son in the new land, born 24 Feb 1821 at 10pm :-) (Can't help wondering if his astrlogical chart predicts his murder as a yong man. Creepy?) > Alexander had a shop in Graham’s Town by the end of October in 1824 but by 25 March 1826 he was reported to have sent a consignment of hides and butter by the ship “Frances” to Cape Town so perhaps he was both running his allotment and the shop at the same time. No see below *** > By 5 July 1832 he was the pound master at Graham’s Town and it was from there that he wrote the following memorial to the Governor on 28 November 1833 requesting permission to purchase a piece of ground next to the pound at the average rate of the last sales as he wished to build a house. > > The matter was referred to the Civil Commissioner of Graham's Town who, in a rare exhibit of generosity, supported his application. We do not know whether or not Alexander actually got the land as there are no documents in the Cape Archives to say so (CO 3964 Ref 47 of 1833). I can not find the reference now but what happened is that he tried farming but kept making huge losses, I guess bookbinders are not natural farmers? So he had a huge debt to pay off, and started the shop, a busniess which worked better for him - shipments being from the shop to all over the place - though something went badly wrong as he loaned a lot of money to someone who did not repay it as promised, (so very much was done merely on trust back then) forcing him to be unable to pay his own debts at the end of his life. The scandal of bankruptcy haunted the family ever since, and they went to icredible lengths to avoid it after that. > Morse Jones tells us that Alexander did bookbinding but whether as a trade or second occupation is not known. His training and main occupation in UK prior to emigration to SA, was as a bookbinder. I do not think he did a lot of it in SA. Probably as needed. My grandmother had some of his beautifully bound books. I do not know what happened to them:-( > According to a notice appearing in the Graham’s Town Journal of 20 June 1844 Alexander died from injuries received from a cow. He was kicked in the thigh (strange circmstances, it was not his cow), and the wound was very deep and went septic, killing him. > The obituary read as follows – > > “Died at Graham's Town on Thursday 13th instant of an injury received from a vicious cow two days previous, Mr. Alexander KIDWELL, aged 60 years. Deceased was one of the British settlers of 1820 and formed one of the Committee for the Commemoration services recently held at Graham's Town. He had been for many years a widower, but was to have been re-married on the day of his death. To me, THIS is a mystery. I have no knowledge from family lore or anywhere else about this proposed 2nd marriage. This notice seems to be the only known ref. > For some years he was engaged in a rather extensive retail business at Graham's Town, under the firm of "STONE & KIDWELL", since which he has had to pass through many trying vicissitudes. He was much esteemed by his friends and maintained an unblemished character for integrity. He belonged to the Baptist Church, Sort of. He/they were Baptist before he came to SA, but there was no Baptist option in SA (he and AJK both wanted to eb Baptist moinisters but one has to get qualified in Scotland) and he joined the Methodist Church where he was very active and much respected - followed by the son Thomas, and grandson AJK. THis is why the beautiful little stone Kidwell Memorial Church in Jamestown (actually in honor of his grandson my AJHK ggf) is a Methodist church. > which, together with his family and acquaintances, now have to deplore the loss of a valuable member of their respective circles. > > Phoebe had died on 3 August 1837 at the age of 47 years. They are both buried in the old cemetery in Graham’s Town. Phoebe’s name is spelt Phebe on the gravestone. That is the correct spelling. > > The couple had four children, Richard Thomas (Born 1821, killed 1861), Thomas RIchard KIDWELL, the second son > Charles James (Born 9 September 1824 wrong year 3rd son, 9 Sept 1825, a Friday, at noon. > and married Caroline Newhouse Beal), Alexander Josiah (Born 28 June 1828) married to Sarah > and Alfred Benjamin (Born 5 February 1831 6 Feb 1831 > and married Lucy Mary Ann Lydia Hescot Curle). They had five children, four in SA. First and second child were BOTH named Thomas Richard KIDWELL. (not Richard Thomas as lots of genealogy sites copy from each other.) > Alexander Josiah after whom AJK was named, i.e. Alexander James KIDWELL > died on 19 August 1889 at his residence in Burghersdorp at the age of 61 years 2 months of age. Every effort by several people has been made to determine his occupation as written on his death notice but apart from having something to do with the railways, it is illegible. I wish I could fill in the details. AJK was very fond of his Uncle Alexander. At the time that Thomas , AJK's father, was murdered, when AJK as the eldest child, was 14, and had just spent half a year finally going to school, (doing farming before that), AJK was taken out of school to be man of the house. He was incredibly close to his father and was in shock. In his book he writes after explaining the dastardly theft of all his father had accumlated and how he was falsely named insolvent - with only a 14 yr old not of age to fight it. Impossible. He describes how shocked friends and relatives clubbed together and bought and presented Mrs KIDWELL with a house in Grahamstown. "................Thus a home was provided to us. My mother managed to keep her furniture, which was later brought from the farm. (SHe was 8 months pregnant at the time of the murder of her husband). In the mean time we all (7 children and mother) stayed with Uncle Alex and Aunt Sarah". This was in Grahamstown in 1861 so the Burghersdorp move must have come later. But no occupation is mentioned. > He had married a Sarah Miller Yes though I did not know her surname till now! AJK just refers to her as aunt Sarah. She was the one who kept records of births and deaths in the family back then, down to the minute:-) Her records are in AJKs book in front. > as per a will the couple made in 1888 and their children were Fanny Matilda, Minnie Louise, Percy William and Edith Eleanor. A little pot of gold for me!!!!!!!! I did not have their children. (The names sound so faimliar, I wish I had a memory from whan I was young and there were plenty of great aunts etc to talk to.) THANKS!@!!! > His estate comprised both moveable and immovably property and was willed to his wife Sarah who signed the death notice. (MOOC 6/9/272 Ref 1568 of 1889). AJK himself soon moved away from Grahamstown area to seek a farm to make a living for the family. He supported his mom and the 6 younger children from age 14, and it took some doing in those times. (There were 8 children of Thomas Richard, but one died very young. Seven survived their father's death, including the one born a month after his death.) Thanks so mch again! Hope my extras are interesting too. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.Furryboots.info (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

I have just posted the lists and links of the available Estate Files for the Transvaal for South Africa, Transvaal, Estate Files, 1950-1993 on http://africangenealogy.blogspot.com/

Thank you Irene for sharing this fascinating extract from your great grandfather's story. It gives us all a great insight into the Eastern Cape of the time. I would love to read more! regards Gail

Equally grateful thanks from me Irene. When you see today, words such as 'intrepid' used to name such things as spacecraft, which now do our human pioneering (by proxy), you feel something of what the original meaning of the word has been lost. 'Doughty' is another word that attempts to describe the inner toughness and self-resourcefulness that our forebears clearly had in spades! What an able, intelligent and likeable man AJK was. Best regards, Moira From: Fay Lea Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:59 PM To: 'Irene de Villiers' ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Travel by horse in 19th century SA Hi Irene, Thank you so much for sharing. Amazing insight into the life and time. We used to go to Katberg on family holidays in the late '50's. Parents, two older brothers and myself wedged in between in a small Hillman - it was always a challenge! Nothing like AJK suffered on horseback. Kind regards Fay To: rodg via Subject: [ZA-EC] Travel by horse in 19th century SA In 1906, my great grandfather ALEXANDER JAMES KIDWELL, (AJK) grandson of 1920 settler Alexander KIDWELL, wrote the story of his life, at the request of his children. I have a photcopy as a backup of the book, the original being inherited by my 88 yr old uncle (eldest male of his generation). It describes 19th century life in South Africa from 1820, and makes fascinating reading. He writes well, it could easily be a movie. I made copious notes last time I read it, hoping to be able to answer questions that come up here, now and then, from his book. So far, no:-) Perhaps a description of travel on hoseback in 19th century would be suitable just now, after all the talk of days by horse, so here are some excerpts of what that was like. I hope you enjoy. Background first: He explains and names his several horses for different purposes, and relied heavily on them for his safety when travelling. One would be used for farm work, but another would be his favorite horse for long distace journeys with overnight stops at whatever farm was nearest at suset, another for sprints to fetch a doctor. Others were for pulling wagons, though freight wagons used oxen as he explained they could go up steep terrain better to cross mountains, and the horse would be tetherefd alongside for the steep parts on long trips. He went from E Cape to Tvl and back to sell and buy wool and goods in Tvl for example, by ox wagon. He had a general store, traded wool, sent it on wagons to the coast to get shipped to UK for sale there, and was a busy fellow on his own farm with cattle, sheep, goats and chickens. He supported his mom (who had 7 chilcren when their father was murdered and AJK was just 14). Shipping wool for UK sale had a very slow turnaround and he had to buy it! up front, and take a risk that the UK price would be okay. He lost his shirt now and then and had to dream up a new scheme (eg Tvl trip) to make it all good. .. . Horses back then were incredibly important, and specificaly tasked and fit for specific duties. Some snippets: "Katberg cutting was a formiddable venture for horses, so I hired 4 oxen and a driver, sending my horses ahead. It takes 5 hrs to climb Katberg with oxen in cart instead of horses. On the summit we sat down to lunch..." They typically stayed at whatever farmhouse was near at sunset, examples: Apr 1868 "I reached Hans GREYLING's about two hrs before sunset. He begged me to stay the night but I told him I must push on to Daniel HATTINGH's or I would not get home by the next evening. Old Hans told me that Hattingh never gave shelter to an Englishman.,,,,,As the sun set I arrived at Hattingh's. The old card was sitting on his stoep. I greeted him in his own language and claimed to be van Rensburg. ...He asked if I wanted to outspan...get forage and put horses in the stable. Conversation over coffee had me saying I was from Nek, which led to Dame Hattingh talking of the GREEFs in Adelaide. I was abe to give the old dame all the particulars and conversation went to 11 o clock! I confessed I had deceived them and why I had done so. They answered that if all English were like me, they would be glad to accommodate all who came." He describes a day during his Adelaide to Grahamstown trip in 1861 - the day he rode from Fort Brown to Grahamstown. It is NOT for me: "I started before dawn in drizzling rain. I has a waterproof Inverness(?), leggings and top boots." At Tower Hill cutting a dozen natives separated to right and left of where I had to pass. I determined to dash through. One of them must have seen the butt of my revolver as he said Myekela! (leave him alone) and I raced through and to the Inn a few miles further....." "The last stage of the journey had a cutting called Queen's Road (where the Queen's regiment had literally been cut to pieces in the 1845 war). I felt nervous. The road was lined with dense bush and was narrow and lonely, and I held my revolver across my pack as I descended Brak River Hill down into the gulley. (Next bit longwinded but a native jumped on the side of his horse holding the stirrups, and he managed to get him off without shooting him, just showing his gun. He describes how any bird flying up or any other small noise had him shaking with nerves.) He got to Queens Road, a nine mile cutting........ "Suddenly there was .. a mass of fully a 1000 natives. They were unarmed except the proverbial Kerrie..... I realized it was not arms but tact that was now needed. I holstered my revolver and rode up to the hindmost boldly as I could and asked him to pilot me through. He asked for tobacco. I handed him my pouch and my pipe. He was delighted and striking up some queer jabbering, commenced parting the mass. My guide who spoke some Dutch, told me they were going to Grahamstown to protest their loyalty. The full nine miles of Queens Road cutting was filled with natives of this loyalty exhibition group. At the end I gave him half a crown and pushed on to Grahamstown without further incident." "From Keiskama nr KingWmstown, I had a long ride before me though dense forest. My uncle gave me a guide, an old servant of the family, to pilot me. I could not have found my way unaided. At dusk we found a woodcutters cottage, and an old chappie on crutches at the front door. I explained who I was, where I came from, and where I was going etc, but he chaffed me, offering me a bed on the roof, etc. Finally the wife arrived and remonstrated with him, invited me to dismount and enter their humble abode. I managed to get the horses hobbled as darkness fell and they agreed to put us up for the night. Conversation flowed... At daybreak I left in heavily pouring rain, stopped at Royal Hotel for breakfast ten miles later, and managed to get directions to continue, the rain not letting up. When I arrived at my new residence to be, not a soul was to be seen. Everything looked dreary and lonely. And for this I had left my dear one (fiancee) to start anew. I am not ashamed to say I shed a tear or two" (They did marry once he was well established, and had been secretly engaged from about age 14). In 1874, Jamestown came into existence, 8 miles from Nek: "For years and years we were deprived of many comforts in order not to go into bankruptcy. We lost two infant sons buried in Aliwal North and two daughters buried in Jamestown (smallpox). Deciding on the plan to buy part of a farm and immediately turn it over into a town called JAMESTOWN, went as follows: J Bradfield, J Wagenaar (who owned the land where Jamestown now stands) and I, A. James KIDWELL, entered into an agreement whereby Wagenaar would get 1300 pounds for half his farm Plessiskraal, plus a third share of any profit, IF the sale of the township was a success. Two hundred erven were surveyed and the sale took place on 22 Dec 1874 when some 180 erven were disposed of. After deducting the 1300 plus the costs for surveying and for drawings etc we had 1500 pounds profit, so 500 for each of us. I got Wagenaar to build me a shop (by Jun 1875), the first building, and a house (by Oct 1875) which I leased for 5 yrs to pay it off at 150 pounds a year, and this was the start of prosperity for me." (The Kidwell family house in Jamestown was called "Calumet" and stayed with the family till my grandmother died.) .................................... Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. 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>From www.familysearch.org To view documents: 1. Click Search on top row of homepage. 2. Scroll down to Browse All Published Collections and select Africa. 3. Click on South Africa, Cape Province, Civil Deaths, 1895-1972 4. Click on Browse through 2,216,270 images 5. Click on appropriate year. 6. Click on appropriate town. 7. Enter desired image # in Image # box Selected entries for Cathcart 1946 and 1947 (European & Mixed Race) Surname; Christian Name/s; Image No. Cathcart 1946 AMBRAAL; Catharina Agnes; 85 AMBRAAL; Petrus Rudolph; 118 AMBRAAL; Pieter; 23 BENSHEL; Peter; 38 BRITS; Alita Maria; 72 BROWN born MILES; Susanna Catherine; 100 BROWN nee WIGGILL; Emily Sarah Ann; 87 BROWN; Oswald Ernest; 111 BRUINTJIES; Louisa; 43 CARTRIDGE; Albert George; 132 CONNOR; Godfrey; 129 COTTERRELL born MARSHALL; Georgina; 63 DELL; Colin Stephen; 127 DOUGLAS; Rachel; 105 DOUGLAS; Zanck; 81 ENGELBRECHT born SCHOOMBEE; Maria Elizabeth; 131 FORD; Percival Demond; 88 FUNNELL; Sidney Lewis; 4 GREEF born DE LANGE; Elizabeth Catrina; 52 JAMIESON; William; 96 LE ROUX; Pieter Hendrik; 62 LUCKEY; Susan; 8 LYON; James; 41 MEYER; Hannes; 59 MEYER; Klaas; 104 MILES born PHILLIPS; Catherine Ann; 102 MINTOOR born AMBRAAL; Christina Elizabeth; 67 PEARSON born STEWARD; Evelyn; 50 PETZER born BOOYSEN; 37 PEVERETT born BARNES; Ellen; 128 SCHEEPERS; Alfred; 101 SMIT; Stephens; 76 SMITH; Daphne; 1 SOURCE; Margaret; 123 STEWART born SELANT; Alice; 130 THOMSON; William; 36 VAN DER MERWE; Gideon Josua; 29 WARDLE; David Hart; 91 WARDLE; John Arthur; 103 WENTZEL born MARX; Johanna Sophia; 75 WHEELDON born JAMES; Kathleen; 99 Cathcart 1947 AMBRAAL; Philip; 78 AMBRAAL; Queenie Johanna; 88 BROWN; Hartland Hilbert; 91 BRUINTJIES; Renaldus; 63 CHAVANNES; Doris Mary; 92 DE LEEUW; Hendrik Jacobus; 9 DE WET; Cathrine; 3 DEWING born OWEN; Malita; 55 DREYER; Lawrence; 25 FORWARD; baby(1) of Gertrude; 108 FORWARD; baby(2) of Gertrude; 109 FRONEMAN; Susanna Maria; 16 GEORGE born GEORGE; Margaret; 13 GEORGE; John; 34 GOOSEN; Anna Maria; 71 GREEF; Christiaan; 1 GREYVENSTEIN; Willem Johannes; 41 GUNN; James Nicholas Williams; 115 JOHANNES; Annie; 7 JOHANNES; Stoffel; 18 KEARNEY?; Joseph; 116 LABUSCHAGNE; Catharina Anna; 81 LACKEY; Rachel; 37 LODEWEIK; Ernest; 49 LODEWYK; Morris; 121 MARDON; baby of Jean; 80 MEYERS; John; 46 ODENDAAL; Adriaan Izak; 126 PASSMORE; Tim; 123 PRESTON?; John Beal; 100 ROOIBERG; Eileen; 47 SAULS; Joseph; 85 SNYMAN born ENGELBRECHT; Catharina Susanna; 122 SOURCE; Elizabeth; 77 VAN ZYL born OOSTHUIZEN; Susanna Magdalena; 22 VILJOEN; Lourens Johannes; 56 VORSTER; Frans Christian; 132 WALKER born NILSSON; Violet May; 10 ZOWYTSCHE; Gertina Johanna; 103

Hi Irene, Thank you so much for sharing. Amazing insight into the life and time. We used to go to Katberg on family holidays in the late '50's. Parents, two older brothers and myself wedged in between in a small Hillman - it was always a challenge! Nothing like AJK suffered on horseback. Kind regards Fay To: rodg via Subject: [ZA-EC] Travel by horse in 19th century SA In 1906, my great grandfather ALEXANDER JAMES KIDWELL, (AJK) grandson of 1920 settler Alexander KIDWELL, wrote the story of his life, at the request of his children. I have a photcopy as a backup of the book, the original being inherited by my 88 yr old uncle (eldest male of his generation). It describes 19th century life in South Africa from 1820, and makes fascinating reading. He writes well, it could easily be a movie. I made copious notes last time I read it, hoping to be able to answer questions that come up here, now and then, from his book. So far, no:-) Perhaps a description of travel on hoseback in 19th century would be suitable just now, after all the talk of days by horse, so here are some excerpts of what that was like. I hope you enjoy. Background first: He explains and names his several horses for different purposes, and relied heavily on them for his safety when travelling. One would be used for farm work, but another would be his favorite horse for long distace journeys with overnight stops at whatever farm was nearest at suset, another for sprints to fetch a doctor. Others were for pulling wagons, though freight wagons used oxen as he explained they could go up steep terrain better to cross mountains, and the horse would be tetherefd alongside for the steep parts on long trips. He went from E Cape to Tvl and back to sell and buy wool and goods in Tvl for example, by ox wagon. He had a general store, traded wool, sent it on wagons to the coast to get shipped to UK for sale there, and was a busy fellow on his own farm with cattle, sheep, goats and chickens. He supported his mom (who had 7 chilcren when their father was murdered and AJK was just 14). Shipping wool for UK sale had a very slow turnaround and he had to buy it! up front, and take a risk that the UK price would be okay. He lost his shirt now and then and had to dream up a new scheme (eg Tvl trip) to make it all good. .. . Horses back then were incredibly important, and specificaly tasked and fit for specific duties. Some snippets: "Katberg cutting was a formiddable venture for horses, so I hired 4 oxen and a driver, sending my horses ahead. It takes 5 hrs to climb Katberg with oxen in cart instead of horses. On the summit we sat down to lunch..." They typically stayed at whatever farmhouse was near at sunset, examples: Apr 1868 "I reached Hans GREYLING's about two hrs before sunset. He begged me to stay the night but I told him I must push on to Daniel HATTINGH's or I would not get home by the next evening. Old Hans told me that Hattingh never gave shelter to an Englishman.,,,,,As the sun set I arrived at Hattingh's. The old card was sitting on his stoep. I greeted him in his own language and claimed to be van Rensburg. ...He asked if I wanted to outspan...get forage and put horses in the stable. Conversation over coffee had me saying I was from Nek, which led to Dame Hattingh talking of the GREEFs in Adelaide. I was abe to give the old dame all the particulars and conversation went to 11 o clock! I confessed I had deceived them and why I had done so. They answered that if all English were like me, they would be glad to accommodate all who came." He describes a day during his Adelaide to Grahamstown trip in 1861 - the day he rode from Fort Brown to Grahamstown. It is NOT for me: "I started before dawn in drizzling rain. I has a waterproof Inverness(?), leggings and top boots." At Tower Hill cutting a dozen natives separated to right and left of where I had to pass. I determined to dash through. One of them must have seen the butt of my revolver as he said Myekela! (leave him alone) and I raced through and to the Inn a few miles further....." "The last stage of the journey had a cutting called Queen's Road (where the Queen's regiment had literally been cut to pieces in the 1845 war). I felt nervous. The road was lined with dense bush and was narrow and lonely, and I held my revolver across my pack as I descended Brak River Hill down into the gulley. (Next bit longwinded but a native jumped on the side of his horse holding the stirrups, and he managed to get him off without shooting him, just showing his gun. He describes how any bird flying up or any other small noise had him shaking with nerves.) He got to Queens Road, a nine mile cutting........ "Suddenly there was .. a mass of fully a 1000 natives. They were unarmed except the proverbial Kerrie..... I realized it was not arms but tact that was now needed. I holstered my revolver and rode up to the hindmost boldly as I could and asked him to pilot me through. He asked for tobacco. I handed him my pouch and my pipe. He was delighted and striking up some queer jabbering, commenced parting the mass. My guide who spoke some Dutch, told me they were going to Grahamstown to protest their loyalty. The full nine miles of Queens Road cutting was filled with natives of this loyalty exhibition group. At the end I gave him half a crown and pushed on to Grahamstown without further incident." "From Keiskama nr KingWmstown, I had a long ride before me though dense forest. My uncle gave me a guide, an old servant of the family, to pilot me. I could not have found my way unaided. At dusk we found a woodcutters cottage, and an old chappie on crutches at the front door. I explained who I was, where I came from, and where I was going etc, but he chaffed me, offering me a bed on the roof, etc. Finally the wife arrived and remonstrated with him, invited me to dismount and enter their humble abode. I managed to get the horses hobbled as darkness fell and they agreed to put us up for the night. Conversation flowed... At daybreak I left in heavily pouring rain, stopped at Royal Hotel for breakfast ten miles later, and managed to get directions to continue, the rain not letting up. When I arrived at my new residence to be, not a soul was to be seen. Everything looked dreary and lonely. And for this I had left my dear one (fiancee) to start anew. I am not ashamed to say I shed a tear or two" (They did marry once he was well established, and had been secretly engaged from about age 14). In 1874, Jamestown came into existence, 8 miles from Nek: "For years and years we were deprived of many comforts in order not to go into bankruptcy. We lost two infant sons buried in Aliwal North and two daughters buried in Jamestown (smallpox). Deciding on the plan to buy part of a farm and immediately turn it over into a town called JAMESTOWN, went as follows: J Bradfield, J Wagenaar (who owned the land where Jamestown now stands) and I, A. James KIDWELL, entered into an agreement whereby Wagenaar would get 1300 pounds for half his farm Plessiskraal, plus a third share of any profit, IF the sale of the township was a success. Two hundred erven were surveyed and the sale took place on 22 Dec 1874 when some 180 erven were disposed of. After deducting the 1300 plus the costs for surveying and for drawings etc we had 1500 pounds profit, so 500 for each of us. I got Wagenaar to build me a shop (by Jun 1875), the first building, and a house (by Oct 1875) which I leased for 5 yrs to pay it off at 150 pounds a year, and this was the start of prosperity for me." (The Kidwell family house in Jamestown was called "Calumet" and stayed with the family till my grandmother died.) .................................... Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.Furryboots.info (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Listers Some time during the period 1817 to 1827 Jan LATSKY worked for a Dr William GILL of "Zwartland Kerk", Cape Colony - ZK is today known as Malmesbury. I'm looking for any information regarding JL's time with Dr GILL - census or Tax records etc? After three years he left the doctor and worked for a wheat farmer in the same district. Thereafter he started his own business as a hawker of firstly jewelry and then moved on to transporting groceries by pack horse to areas such as the Boland (Stellenbosch; Paarl; Worcester etc) eventually further afield to the Hantam (area of Calvinia) and Kareeberge (Area of Carnarvon - previously Schietfontein) districts. I'd appreciate any suggestions of where to search Kind regards Brian Benningfield Phones: 27(0)832759857 or 27(0)219758695 Fax: 27(0)866848582 Skype: brianben44 E-Mail: <mailto:brian.ben44@gmail.com> brian.ben44@gmail.com Researching: The BEN(N)INGFIELD; EYBERS; van TUBBERGH; DANIEL; VAN ASWEGEN; LATSKY and related families.