Thanks Sue. -----Original Message----- From: Sue Mackay via Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 4:49 PM To: SA List ; ZA-IB List ; EC List Subject: [ZA-EC] Extracts from Grahamstown Journal October - December 1854 The latest file has been uploaded to eggsa http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.php/grahamstown-journal/1154-grahamstown-journal-1854-4-october-to-december Sue ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Somebody years ago asked me to look out for this pair of brothers, but I can't remember who! While transcribing the Grahamstown Journal for 1855 today, I came across the death announcement for Edward, which said that he was a native of Brentford. This set me searching in the London Metropolitan Archive records and I have found his baptism (though not that of his younger brother Gad), but I have also found some information on their parents. Their father was another Gad, son of a London bargeman George Jeffreys, and their mother was Mary Ann Watts. I am assuming that James Watts of Howard's Party was Mary Ann's brother. I have found a possible baptism for him but there were quite a few Watts in London and so I cannot be sure. I have added what I found today to the Extra Info section of eggsa http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/j-surnames/1904-jefferies-edward-george-extra-data If anyone has any more definite information based on primary sources, let me know Sue

The latest file uploaded to eggsa at http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.php/grahamstown-journal/1155-grahamstown-journal-1855-1-january-to-march Sue

Many thanks Sue - info about Jane WHITFIELD nee CAWOOD I didn't have up till now. Best, Moira Moira Macdonald researching WHITFIELD, GEDDIE, KERR Eastern Cape and Transkei From: Sue Mackay Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 2:49 PM To: SA List ; ZA-IB List ; EC List Subject: [ZA-EC] Extracts from Grahamstown Journal October - December 1854 The latest file has been uploaded to eggsa http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.php/grahamstown-journal/1154-grahamstown-journal-1854-4-october-to-december Sue

The latest file has been uploaded to eggsa http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.php/grahamstown-journal/1154-grahamstown-journal-1854-4-october-to-december Sue

I had a thought, have you checked out the German Churches, in East London, if there are. You might find something there. Barbara

Thanks for the information, sadly I can't find any connection between Johannes Lottering who married in 1917 to the families mentioned who were born c1947. They may well be related but I'm missing a generation! If this Lottering family moved out of the East London area to say, Johannesburg, would they still show up on the databases available online?  On Jan 21, 2015, at 05:27 PM, Barbara & Leon Rochoy via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hi , could these be related to your Johannes Lottering https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12431-54789-14?cc=1463648 <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2HRT-F6D> Errol John Lottering <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2HRT-F6F> Esme Jean Lottering Parents: Francois Lottering , Alwine Auguste Emilie Lottering https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12431-54148-53?cc=1463648 Casie Johannes Lottering Parents : Cornelius Johannes Lottering, Katherina Lottering Regards Barbara From: judith kennerdale [mailto:kennerdale@icloud.com] Sent: 21 January 2015 12:30 PM To: Barbara & Leon Rochoy; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Hillman/Lottering Thank you for your help! To answer your questions, I have searched Naairs, no luck, I am unable to find a death notice for either of them, and the master/maseti link produces a directory access refusal! With regard to the conversations to be found on google, they are mostly mine! I have managed, over the years, to find the death of Emeline's father Frank Hillman E. London 1940. I believe he had remarried at some point after 1900 though cannot find a death for his first wife, Emeline's mother, Ellen, or a remarriage to an Annie Matilda. But as the 1917 marriage is all I can find, I have no idea where the Lotterings went after that. kind regards Judith On Jan 21, 2015, at 07:38 AM, Barbara & Leon Rochoy via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> wrote: Do you know when Johannes Lottering died? Have you been able to get a Death Notice for him? With luck it should mention his Parents Names. Try looking on MASETI DATA - Part 1 /Part 2 for a file source and reference. Search the Christian Names. I have had three hits this way, and ordered and received 2 file copies, (the third went missing in the postal strike) John Wynne's tip: Go to Google and type "site: <http://www.justice.gov.za/master/maseti/> http://www.justice.gov.za/master/maseti/ " (excluding the quotation marks) into the search box, followed by the name (and/or other search-terms). This should bring up all pages in the MHC Maseti data where your search-terms are found. Barbara ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4260/8969 - Release Date: 01/21/15 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nikki I can't get through on your alnic mail address Contact me offline - I may be able to help you Brian Benningfield Phones: 27(0)832759857 or 27(0)219758695 Fax: 27(0)866848582 Skype: brianben44 E-Mail: brian.ben44@gmail.com Researching: The BEN(N)INGFIELD; EYBERS; van TUBBERGH; DANIEL; VAN ASWEGEN; LATSKY and related families. -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nikki via Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:54 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com; south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Portland Bentinck Shortt help with document needed Hi all As discussed a while back. Portland Bentick Shortt of Natal, illegitimate son of Walter Bentinck Auditor General of the Cape and adopted by Frances Shortt and his wife Sarah Johanna Rosina Hugo,was my husbands G G Grandfather. Peter Philips British Residents at the Cape 1795-1819 reads Her adopted son was Portland Bentinck, surnamed Shortt. Filed 18.8.21 ( MOOC 7/1/85-53) Does anyone know how or where I can get a copy of this document. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. Kind regards Nikki Sedgefield No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.935 / Virus Database: 4257.1.1/8474 - Release Date: 01/22/15 04:02:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2249 / Virus Database: 4257/8474 - Release Date: 01/22/15

Hi Keith Thanks for the reply, I have searched on Naairs and cannot find this particular document listed. best wishes Nikki -----Original Message----- From: Keith Meintjes Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:09 PM To: Nikki ; south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Portland Bentinck Shortt help with document needed These documents are in the Cape Archives in Cape Twon. You will find more hits if you search NAAIRS for SHORTT and other related names. Keith ------ Original Message ------ Received: 08:58 AM EST, 01/22/2015 From: Nikki via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com>, <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Portland Bentinck Shortt help with document needed Hi all As discussed a while back. Portland Bentick Shortt of Natal, illegitimate son of Walter Bentinck Auditor General of the Cape and adopted by Frances Shortt and his wife Sarah Johanna Rosina Hugo,was my husbands G G Grandfather. Peter Philip’s British Residents at the Cape 1795-1819 reads “Her adopted son was Portland Bentinck, surnamed Shortt. Filed 18.8.21 ( MOOC 7/1/85-53)” Does anyone know how or where I can get a copy of this document. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. Kind regards Nikki Sedgefield No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.935 / Virus Database: 4257.1.1/8474 - Release Date: 01/22/15 04:02:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.935 / Virus Database: 4257.1.1/8474 - Release Date: 01/22/15 04:02:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.935 / Virus Database: 4257.1.1/8474 - Release Date: 01/22/15 04:02:00

Hi all As discussed a while back. Portland Bentick Shortt of Natal, illegitimate son of Walter Bentinck Auditor General of the Cape and adopted by Frances Shortt and his wife Sarah Johanna Rosina Hugo,was my husbands G G Grandfather. Peter Philip’s British Residents at the Cape 1795-1819 reads “Her adopted son was Portland Bentinck, surnamed Shortt. Filed 18.8.21 ( MOOC 7/1/85-53)” Does anyone know how or where I can get a copy of this document. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. Kind regards Nikki Sedgefield No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.935 / Virus Database: 4257.1.1/8474 - Release Date: 01/22/15 04:02:00

Dear John, I would just like to point out that everything I quoted in my email was taken verbatim from a publication of the Department of Lands. Regards, Brian+. -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ctrhine via Sent: 21 January 2015 19:53 To: The Revd Fr Brian Tee via Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Measuring a morgen Too many "probables", Brian. Here are some facts and comments: 1. "It is probable that several years elapsed between the date of the first occupation of the Cape by Van Riebeek, on the part of Holland, and the time when land surveying was taken up as a profession, or became necessary: for so long as the views of the Dutch Government were confined to a settlement in Table Valley for the purpose of supplying ships with fresh provisions, it is probable that the division or allotment of ground was altogether subservient to that object..." 1a. Records show that at the first occupation of the Cape by the Dutch, the Van Riebeeck administration had access to skilled surveyors. Mariners themselves were skilled surveyors, possessing the mathematical knowledge and instruments to complete such tasks. At first, Company buildings and gardens, as well as roads, needed to be laid out in an orderly fashion, necessitating surveying. As free burghers took up agricultural pursuits, notably close to the military presence at Cape Town, and only on the Cape Peninsula, plots of land were claimed; these were surveyed and title deeds were issued. By 1658, 275 morgen of land had been granted to free burghers. Charts of the area were regularly made and amended, and sent to Amsterdam. You can see all this for yourselves: http://www.mocavo.com/Precis-of-the-Archives-of-the-Cape-of-Good-Hope- Letters-Despatched-From-the-Cape-Volume-13/481461/31 Charts: pages 19, 20, 21; images 31, 32, 33/498, etc. Title Deeds: page 19; image 31/498 and 326/498 onwards (1657-62) Land surveyor: page 21; image 33/498 In a letter of 11 April 1658, van Riebeeck sets out his staffing requirements, including 1 Surveyor and 1 Cartographer. See: page 30; image 42/498 2. "...But when individual interests sprung up and accumulated with increasing population, the fertile land about Stellenbosch, the Paarl, and Groenekloof became tenanted, and about the year 1744, the loan places or annual tenures at the will of the Government had extended to the north of Piquetberg..." 2a. The loan farm system whereby a land holder paid an annual rent to the Company, was also partly a quitrent system, and the land holder would be entitled to freehold deeds for the land after 20 years of payments. (Ref:) Franz Joosten, a German from Lippstad, who had arrived at the Cape in 1693 as a soldier in the employ of the Company, became a Dutch citizen and was granted the standard 60 morgen farm at the furthest boundary of the settlement at Drakenstein (Groen Kloof) in 1700. You can see by the outline of his surveyed farm, that it had a panhandle shape. with a long, narrow handle stretching from a spring (up the mountain) to the homestead. Franz (Frans) Joosten (Jooste) was murdered by his wife and his two slaves in late 1713 or early 1714, and his farm Bartholomeusklip was surveyed on 28 August 1714, to allow his Estate to be passed on to his two young sons. According to Barend J. Toerien, who researched and documented these events (Die wegraak van Frans Joosten), the farm was found to be 50.352 morgen in extent. However, the survey deed indicates that the area was 59 morgen, 352 roods, so possibly a typo by the former. It is interesting to see how close to the 60 morgen grant the farm was originally measured, which indicates that it was, indeed, surveyed when granted in 1700. You can see this farm diagram at: http://csg.dla.gov.za/esio/searchproperty.jsp Select Province: Western Cape + Farm Name = Barthlomeus Klip; Select `Search´ On Search result, click `Search´ at the end of the top line. 3."The loan tenure was introduced by the Dutch Government at a very early date. It consisted simply of an annual lease, renewable annually, on payment of rent fixed by the Government. No legal title was issued,.." 3a. See letter from Johan (Jan) van Riebeeck to the Amsterdam Chamber et al, dated 20 Feb 1858, annexure No. 23: Title Deeds. Also see 2a. above. http://www.mocavo.com/Precis-of-the-Archives-of-the-Cape-of-Good-Hope- Letters-Despatched-From-the-Cape-Volume-13/481461/31 4. "...nor survey made:... 4a. See Title Deeds: Pages 314 to 343; images 326 to 355 Many survey drawings are shown, from claim1 / title deed. Where survey drawings are not shown, it is generally because the boundaries of the properties are described in relation to fixed, surveyed objects, such as roads, inside the town limits of Cape Town. 5. "...the position being defined by a central point, which was generally a local feature, as a spring of water or conspicuous rock, and often a beacon was planted where no local feature existed. From this central point, generally known as the 'ordinantie', the right of the lessee extended no further than a walk of half an hour direct out from the selected centre, which was considered to be, and adopted as the radius of a circle containing 3000 morgen." 5a. It would be more convincing if we knew the time frame for this system (certainly not before the mid-1700s), and how many people used it and in which areas (certainly not in the fully settled areas). The arithmetic fits for 3000 morgen, certainly not 4500 morgen. For a circular farm, which is the best shape for fitting in the maximum area (not that I´ve seen any large farms of regular shape), a simple half-hour walk in any direction to establish the radius, would require a person to cover a distance of 1.78 miles, averaging a brisk 3.56 mph. Although we have now established that this is possible, I, for one, would like to know of any primary sources for this proposition, not just repetitions of repetitions. Urban myth comes to mind. 6. "By a proclamation dated 16th October, 1812, the Government expressed the intention to grant land on perpetual quitrent; . and on 23rd July, 1813, an advertisement appeared conveying the intention of the Governor to grant land only on a reservation of quitrent, and that no grant should be made, unless upon a survey and diagram regularly 'executed and prepared by the surveyor appointed by Government' " 6a. I believe that this system was rejected by the majority of farmers, and disregarded until a more acceptable system eventually replaced it. Excuse me for not quoting a reference. Best wishes, John Powell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning all, I have a copy of a DN for Herbert Hayward BUDD and would like to find out his link to the HAYWARD family. Can anyone help? Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Hi , could these be related to your Johannes Lottering https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12431-54789-14?cc=1463648 <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2HRT-F6D> Errol John Lottering <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2HRT-F6F> Esme Jean Lottering Parents: Francois Lottering , Alwine Auguste Emilie Lottering https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12431-54148-53?cc=1463648 Casie Johannes Lottering Parents : Cornelius Johannes Lottering, Katherina Lottering Regards Barbara From: judith kennerdale [mailto:kennerdale@icloud.com] Sent: 21 January 2015 12:30 PM To: Barbara & Leon Rochoy; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Hillman/Lottering Thank you for your help! To answer your questions, I have searched Naairs, no luck, I am unable to find a death notice for either of them, and the master/maseti link produces a directory access refusal! With regard to the conversations to be found on google, they are mostly mine! I have managed, over the years, to find the death of Emeline's father Frank Hillman E. London 1940. I believe he had remarried at some point after 1900 though cannot find a death for his first wife, Emeline's mother, Ellen, or a remarriage to an Annie Matilda. But as the 1917 marriage is all I can find, I have no idea where the Lotterings went after that. kind regards Judith On Jan 21, 2015, at 07:38 AM, Barbara & Leon Rochoy via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> wrote: Do you know when Johannes Lottering died? Have you been able to get a Death Notice for him? With luck it should mention his Parents Names. Try looking on MASETI DATA - Part 1 /Part 2 for a file source and reference. Search the Christian Names. I have had three hits this way, and ordered and received 2 file copies, (the third went missing in the postal strike) John Wynne's tip: Go to Google and type "site: <http://www.justice.gov.za/master/maseti/> http://www.justice.gov.za/master/maseti/ " (excluding the quotation marks) into the search box, followed by the name (and/or other search-terms). This should bring up all pages in the MHC Maseti data where your search-terms are found. Barbara ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4260/8969 - Release Date: 01/21/15

Thanks Irene Interesting and, as you say, very confusing regards Brian Benningfield Phones: 27(0)832759857 or 27(0)219758695    Fax: 27(0)866848582 Skype: brianben44   E-Mail: brian.ben44@gmail.com Researching: The BEN(N)INGFIELD; EYBERS; van TUBBERGH; DANIEL; VAN ASWEGEN; LATSKY and related families. -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Irene de Villiers via Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:36 AM To: The Revd Fr Brian Tee; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Measuring a morgen On Jan 20, 2015, at 2:02 AM, The Revd Fr Brian Tee via wrote: > > "Originally an acre represented roughly the extent of land that could be > ploughed by a span of oxen in a day, and a morgen, as the name implies, that > which could be ploughed in a morning. . it is difficult to explain why the > Rhynland morgen is more than twice the area of a English acre." A morgen was formerly used by many countries to measure land, and it has varied from half an acre to about 2.5 acres. eg. in Prussia and Scandinavia, equal to about two thirds of an acre. It is supposed to be the amount plowed by one man in a morning - not necessariy using oxen. Rijnland morgen was based on Rijnland roede (based on the length of a "rod" used for measuring length) so if you changed the formal length of a rod, (which happened several times in Dutch history and wich originated as five foot British) then it automatically changed the area of a morgen. The Dutch had multiple rod lengths: The most common roede used in the Netherlands was the Rijnland rod. • one Rijnland rod (Rijnlandse roede) was 14.19 m² • one Amsterdam rod (Amsterdamse roede) was 13.52 m² • one 's-Hertogenbosch rod (Bossche roede) was 33.1 m² • one Breda rod (Bredase roede) was 32.26 m² • one Groningen rod (Groningse roede) was 16.72 m² • one Hondsbos rod (Hondsbosse roede) was 11.71 m² In 1816, the Dutch had to conform to French rules for metric measures, and so they merely allocated their familiar names (morgen, rood etc) to metric quantities, including for example: 1 vierkante roede (square rod) = 1 acre or 100 square meters (British has 4 roods equal to one acre) The measurement systems were an inconsistent mess for a long time :-) Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.Furryboots.info (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2249 / Virus Database: 4257/8469 - Release Date: 01/21/15

Thanks John You've gone to a lot of trouble - much appreciated. I'll spend some time on this tomorrow. I guess there's no short answer as to why, if my chap had used the system of measurement available at the time, 3000 Morg should have stretched to 13363 morg 11 years later when it was properly surveyed and granted as a Perpetual Quitrent farm. What makes this even more confusing is that he was not even a Burgher of the Colony when he acquired the land in 1827. He only applied for "Burghership" in 1830. I'll have another go at this when next I visit the archives to see if I can lay my hands on his Loan Farm grant of 1827. I just love these family mysteries. Brian Benningfield Phones: 27(0)832759857 or 27(0)219758695    Fax: 27(0)866848582 Skype: brianben44   E-Mail: brian.ben44@gmail.com Researching: The BEN(N)INGFIELD; EYBERS; van TUBBERGH; DANIEL; VAN ASWEGEN; LATSKY and related families. -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ctrhine via Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 1:53 PM To: The Revd Fr Brian Tee via Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Measuring a morgen Too many "probables", Brian. Here are some facts and comments: 1. "It is probable that several years elapsed between the date of the first occupation of the Cape by Van Riebeek, on the part of Holland, and the time when land surveying was taken up as a profession, or became necessary: for so long as the views of the Dutch Government were confined to a settlement in Table Valley for the purpose of supplying ships with fresh provisions, it is probable that the division or allotment of ground was altogether subservient to that object..." 1a. Records show that at the first occupation of the Cape by the Dutch, the Van Riebeeck administration had access to skilled surveyors. Mariners themselves were skilled surveyors, possessing the mathematical knowledge and instruments to complete such tasks. At first, Company buildings and gardens, as well as roads, needed to be laid out in an orderly fashion, necessitating surveying. As free burghers took up agricultural pursuits, notably close to the military presence at Cape Town, and only on the Cape Peninsula, plots of land were claimed; these were surveyed and title deeds were issued. By 1658, 275 morgen of land had been granted to free burghers. Charts of the area were regularly made and amended, and sent to Amsterdam. You can see all this for yourselves: http://www.mocavo.com/Precis-of-the-Archives-of-the-Cape-of-Good-Hope- Letters-Despatched-From-the-Cape-Volume-13/481461/31 Charts: pages 19, 20, 21; images 31, 32, 33/498, etc. Title Deeds: page 19; image 31/498 and 326/498 onwards (1657-62) Land surveyor: page 21; image 33/498 In a letter of 11 April 1658, van Riebeeck sets out his staffing requirements, including 1 Surveyor and 1 Cartographer. See: page 30; image 42/498 2. "...But when individual interests sprung up and accumulated with increasing population, the fertile land about Stellenbosch, the Paarl, and Groenekloof became tenanted, and about the year 1744, the loan places or annual tenures at the will of the Government had extended to the north of Piquetberg..." 2a. The loan farm system whereby a land holder paid an annual rent to the Company, was also partly a quitrent system, and the land holder would be entitled to freehold deeds for the land after 20 years of payments. (Ref:) Franz Joosten, a German from Lippstad, who had arrived at the Cape in 1693 as a soldier in the employ of the Company, became a Dutch citizen and was granted the standard 60 morgen farm at the furthest boundary of the settlement at Drakenstein (Groen Kloof) in 1700. You can see by the outline of his surveyed farm, that it had a panhandle shape. with a long, narrow handle stretching from a spring (up the mountain) to the homestead. Franz (Frans) Joosten (Jooste) was murdered by his wife and his two slaves in late 1713 or early 1714, and his farm Bartholomeusklip was surveyed on 28 August 1714, to allow his Estate to be passed on to his two young sons. According to Barend J. Toerien, who researched and documented these events (Die wegraak van Frans Joosten), the farm was found to be 50.352 morgen in extent. However, the survey deed indicates that the area was 59 morgen, 352 roods, so possibly a typo by the former. It is interesting to see how close to the 60 morgen grant the farm was originally measured, which indicates that it was, indeed, surveyed when granted in 1700. You can see this farm diagram at: http://csg.dla.gov.za/esio/searchproperty.jsp Select Province: Western Cape + Farm Name = Barthlomeus Klip; Select `Search´ On Search result, click `Search´ at the end of the top line. 3."The loan tenure was introduced by the Dutch Government at a very early date. It consisted simply of an annual lease, renewable annually, on payment of rent fixed by the Government. No legal title was issued,.." 3a. See letter from Johan (Jan) van Riebeeck to the Amsterdam Chamber et al, dated 20 Feb 1858, annexure No. 23: Title Deeds. Also see 2a. above. http://www.mocavo.com/Precis-of-the-Archives-of-the-Cape-of-Good-Hope- Letters-Despatched-From-the-Cape-Volume-13/481461/31 4. "...nor survey made:... 4a. See Title Deeds: Pages 314 to 343; images 326 to 355 Many survey drawings are shown, from claim1 / title deed. Where survey drawings are not shown, it is generally because the boundaries of the properties are described in relation to fixed, surveyed objects, such as roads, inside the town limits of Cape Town. 5. "...the position being defined by a central point, which was generally a local feature, as a spring of water or conspicuous rock, and often a beacon was planted where no local feature existed. From this central point, generally known as the 'ordinantie', the right of the lessee extended no further than a walk of half an hour direct out from the selected centre, which was considered to be, and adopted as the radius of a circle containing 3000 morgen." 5a. It would be more convincing if we knew the time frame for this system (certainly not before the mid-1700s), and how many people used it and in which areas (certainly not in the fully settled areas). The arithmetic fits for 3000 morgen, certainly not 4500 morgen. For a circular farm, which is the best shape for fitting in the maximum area (not that I´ve seen any large farms of regular shape), a simple half-hour walk in any direction to establish the radius, would require a person to cover a distance of 1.78 miles, averaging a brisk 3.56 mph. Although we have now established that this is possible, I, for one, would like to know of any primary sources for this proposition, not just repetitions of repetitions. Urban myth comes to mind. 6. "By a proclamation dated 16th October, 1812, the Government expressed the intention to grant land on perpetual quitrent; . and on 23rd July, 1813, an advertisement appeared conveying the intention of the Governor to grant land only on a reservation of quitrent, and that no grant should be made, unless upon a survey and diagram regularly 'executed and prepared by the surveyor appointed by Government' " 6a. I believe that this system was rejected by the majority of farmers, and disregarded until a more acceptable system eventually replaced it. Excuse me for not quoting a reference. Best wishes, John Powell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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Sorry. The farm of Franz Joosten should be correctly spelt Bartholomeus Klip. Apologies, John John Powell

Hello Neil, The person can approach the Department in Pretoria and ask for her/h original birth certificate and papers relative to her/his adoption. This can only be done if it is an open adoption and it must be done by either the mother/adopted parents/or the adoptee her/himself. However if it is a closed adopted the records are sealed and then it becomes difficult and you might have to apply to a court to unseal them and usually this only happens for reasons like medical. Another root that is not always followed because of costs is doing a DNA test - FTDNA has charges varying depending on how deep you want to explore. Good luck! I think there are lots of adoptees and biological parents who would love to know what happened to their family. Kind regards Eleanor -----Original Message----- From: Neil Holmes Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 12:32 PM To: SA Roots Web ; SA Eastern Cape Roots Web ; SA L Roots Web Subject: [ZA-EC] TRACING BIOLOGICAL PARENT/S OF A PERSON Good afternoon. What is the best way of going about tracing the biological parent/s of a person born in 1973. The person was born in Benoni. The mother was 16 and not married. Any ideas please. Neil.

Too many "probables", Brian. Here are some facts and comments: 1. "It is probable that several years elapsed between the date of the first occupation of the Cape by Van Riebeek, on the part of Holland, and the time when land surveying was taken up as a profession, or became necessary: for so long as the views of the Dutch Government were confined to a settlement in Table Valley for the purpose of supplying ships with fresh provisions, it is probable that the division or allotment of ground was altogether subservient to that object..." 1a. Records show that at the first occupation of the Cape by the Dutch, the Van Riebeeck administration had access to skilled surveyors. Mariners themselves were skilled surveyors, possessing the mathematical knowledge and instruments to complete such tasks. At first, Company buildings and gardens, as well as roads, needed to be laid out in an orderly fashion, necessitating surveying. As free burghers took up agricultural pursuits, notably close to the military presence at Cape Town, and only on the Cape Peninsula, plots of land were claimed; these were surveyed and title deeds were issued. By 1658, 275 morgen of land had been granted to free burghers. Charts of the area were regularly made and amended, and sent to Amsterdam. You can see all this for yourselves: http://www.mocavo.com/Precis-of-the-Archives-of-the-Cape-of-Good-Hope- Letters-Despatched-From-the-Cape-Volume-13/481461/31 Charts: pages 19, 20, 21; images 31, 32, 33/498, etc. Title Deeds: page 19; image 31/498 and 326/498 onwards (1657-62) Land surveyor: page 21; image 33/498 In a letter of 11 April 1658, van Riebeeck sets out his staffing requirements, including 1 Surveyor and 1 Cartographer. See: page 30; image 42/498 2. "...But when individual interests sprung up and accumulated with increasing population, the fertile land about Stellenbosch, the Paarl, and Groenekloof became tenanted, and about the year 1744, the loan places or annual tenures at the will of the Government had extended to the north of Piquetberg..." 2a. The loan farm system whereby a land holder paid an annual rent to the Company, was also partly a quitrent system, and the land holder would be entitled to freehold deeds for the land after 20 years of payments. (Ref:) Franz Joosten, a German from Lippstad, who had arrived at the Cape in 1693 as a soldier in the employ of the Company, became a Dutch citizen and was granted the standard 60 morgen farm at the furthest boundary of the settlement at Drakenstein (Groen Kloof) in 1700. You can see by the outline of his surveyed farm, that it had a panhandle shape. with a long, narrow handle stretching from a spring (up the mountain) to the homestead. Franz (Frans) Joosten (Jooste) was murdered by his wife and his two slaves in late 1713 or early 1714, and his farm Bartholomeusklip was surveyed on 28 August 1714, to allow his Estate to be passed on to his two young sons. According to Barend J. Toerien, who researched and documented these events (Die wegraak van Frans Joosten), the farm was found to be 50.352 morgen in extent. However, the survey deed indicates that the area was 59 morgen, 352 roods, so possibly a typo by the former. It is interesting to see how close to the 60 morgen grant the farm was originally measured, which indicates that it was, indeed, surveyed when granted in 1700. You can see this farm diagram at: http://csg.dla.gov.za/esio/searchproperty.jsp Select Province: Western Cape + Farm Name = Barthlomeus Klip; Select `Search´ On Search result, click `Search´ at the end of the top line. 3."The loan tenure was introduced by the Dutch Government at a very early date. It consisted simply of an annual lease, renewable annually, on payment of rent fixed by the Government. No legal title was issued,.." 3a. See letter from Johan (Jan) van Riebeeck to the Amsterdam Chamber et al, dated 20 Feb 1858, annexure No. 23: Title Deeds. Also see 2a. above. http://www.mocavo.com/Precis-of-the-Archives-of-the-Cape-of-Good-Hope- Letters-Despatched-From-the-Cape-Volume-13/481461/31 4. "...nor survey made:... 4a. See Title Deeds: Pages 314 to 343; images 326 to 355 Many survey drawings are shown, from claim1 / title deed. Where survey drawings are not shown, it is generally because the boundaries of the properties are described in relation to fixed, surveyed objects, such as roads, inside the town limits of Cape Town. 5. "...the position being defined by a central point, which was generally a local feature, as a spring of water or conspicuous rock, and often a beacon was planted where no local feature existed. From this central point, generally known as the 'ordinantie', the right of the lessee extended no further than a walk of half an hour direct out from the selected centre, which was considered to be, and adopted as the radius of a circle containing 3000 morgen." 5a. It would be more convincing if we knew the time frame for this system (certainly not before the mid-1700s), and how many people used it and in which areas (certainly not in the fully settled areas). The arithmetic fits for 3000 morgen, certainly not 4500 morgen. For a circular farm, which is the best shape for fitting in the maximum area (not that I´ve seen any large farms of regular shape), a simple half-hour walk in any direction to establish the radius, would require a person to cover a distance of 1.78 miles, averaging a brisk 3.56 mph. Although we have now established that this is possible, I, for one, would like to know of any primary sources for this proposition, not just repetitions of repetitions. Urban myth comes to mind. 6. "By a proclamation dated 16th October, 1812, the Government expressed the intention to grant land on perpetual quitrent; . and on 23rd July, 1813, an advertisement appeared conveying the intention of the Governor to grant land only on a reservation of quitrent, and that no grant should be made, unless upon a survey and diagram regularly 'executed and prepared by the surveyor appointed by Government' " 6a. I believe that this system was rejected by the majority of farmers, and disregarded until a more acceptable system eventually replaced it. Excuse me for not quoting a reference. Best wishes, John Powell

Thank you for your help! To answer your questions, I have searched Naairs, no luck, I am unable to find a death notice for either of them, and the master/maseti link produces a directory access refusal! With regard to the conversations to be found on google, they are mostly mine!  I have managed, over the years, to find the death of Emeline's father Frank Hillman E. London 1940. I believe he had remarried at some point after 1900 though cannot find a death for his first wife, Emeline's mother, Ellen, or a remarriage to an Annie Matilda. But as the 1917 marriage is all I can find, I have no idea where the Lotterings went after that. kind regards Judith On Jan 21, 2015, at 07:38 AM, Barbara & Leon Rochoy via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> wrote: Do you know when Johannes Lottering died? Have you been able to get a Death Notice for him? With luck it should mention his Parents Names. Try looking on MASETI DATA - Part 1 /Part 2 for a file source and reference. Search the Christian Names. I have had three hits this way, and ordered and received 2 file copies, (the third went missing in the postal strike) John Wynne's tip: Go to Google and type "site: <http://www.justice.gov.za/master/maseti/> http://www.justice.gov.za/master/maseti/ " (excluding the quotation marks) into the search box, followed by the name (and/or other search-terms). This should bring up all pages in the MHC Maseti data where your search-terms are found. Barbara ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do you know when Johannes Lottering died? Have you been able to get a Death Notice for him? With luck it should mention his Parents Names. Try looking on MASETI DATA - Part 1 /Part 2 for a file source and reference. Search the Christian Names. I have had three hits this way, and ordered and received 2 file copies, (the third went missing in the postal strike) John Wynne's tip: Go to Google and type "site: <http://www.justice.gov.za/master/maseti/> http://www.justice.gov.za/master/maseti/ " (excluding the quotation marks) into the search box, followed by the name (and/or other search-terms). This should bring up all pages in the MHC Maseti data where your search-terms are found. Barbara