Hi All Some time this month there was a discussion regarding the Land Surveyor who was responsible for surveying the 1820 settlements. Today I came across some info in a copy of Africana Notes and News September 1978 Vol 23. No.3. Excerpt from article entitled The Knobel and Von Buchenoder Tombs by R.R. Langham Carter. “.............. Knobel was appointed secretary of the Uitenhage District on 11 Oct 1804 and continued as secretary to the landdrost under British rule when this was restored in 1806. The Buchenroders lived with him and he married his Maria in Cape Town on 10 July 1809. Knobel worked as a sworn surveyor in the Uitenhage and Albany districts from 1813 to 1822. He was responsible for the survey of Grahamstown in 1814 and he designed the first Dutch Reformed Church in Uitehage three years later. This was erected in 1822 and declared a national monument in 1966. In 1820 the Uitenhage landdrost Colonel J.G. Cuyler and Knobel were among those who met the settlers at Algoa Bay, and on 18 April they set out with the first parties to their grants which Knobel had surveyed. And he planned the lay-out of the new town of Bathurst in the following July.” It would seem that Mr Knobel was a pretty industrious fellow as the article goes on to say that Mrs Knobel gave birth to eleven children in seventeen years! She died in 1827 not longer after giving birth to her twelfth!! Kind regards Nikki Sedgefield No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.935 / Virus Database: 4257.1.1/8512 - Release Date: 01/28/15 04:01:00

Hi Sue, His parents were: Henry Baptised: 1830, Feby 7th son of: Robert & Anna HORN Occupation: Labourer Residence: Graham's Town Baptised by: William Carlisle - Chaplain Source: Grahamstown - St George (Anglican), Grahamstown, Baptism register, 1826-1836, page 109, entry number 657. Repository: Cory Library, MS 14 878-1. Transcribed by Lynn Couperthwaite as part of the eGGSA Project, from photographs by William Jervois. The other family basptisms are on the same page for his sister Eliza Jane,brother William Carlisle . I see some sources have him being one of 7children(1820 settler cd) See: http://www.eggsa.org/cgi-bin/searchBaptisms.pl regards Cheri -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Wessels via Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2015 1:25 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Henry Horne who died in Somerset East in 1885 Hi Listers I am a new lister and am trying to trace more information about my great-great-grandfather, Henry Horne, who was born in 1829, married Christina Catharina Bingle (daughter of Thomas Bingle, 1820 settler) in Somerset East and had various children including my great-great-grandmother, Ellen Horne who married Laurence Murrell also in Somerset East. >From the index cards at the Somerset East Museum, it appears that Henry Horne was a blacksmith. Does anyone perhaps have any knowlege of Henry Horne, where he was born or who his parents were? I would appreciate any information available. RegardsSue Wessels --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

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Good Afternoon all,I am seeking as much help as any lister is able to provide. I have received a request, re an intestate estate of Catherine Elizabeth ROBERTSON who died in 2008 and whose information I have as follows: CE is the d o John Chaplin ROBERTSON who married Louisa May MILLS John Chaplin was the son of William Crockhart ROBERTSON who married Jessie Peddie CHAPLIN Jessie Peddie was the sister of William Kerr CHAPLIN who married Frances Elizabeth HOPGOOD William Kerr and Frances Elizabeth are my late wife's parents who were born in Scotland. As far as the little information supplied to me all the above persons resided in Scotland. I have no other dates to cross check with. If anyone can assist in verifying this information before I supply information requested about my wife's family, I would be forever indebted. Thanks to any and all who can assist, RegardsRod g Sent from MWEB Message Centre - CONNECT AND YOU CAN

*From:* verneukpan@gmail.com *Subject:* Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-WEST-COAST] BURGER PHYFER *Date:* Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:52:37 +0200 *References:* <574B9DC28B0E4F7C863CCDE8891BED39@MOM2> *In-Reply-To:* <574B9DC28B0E4F7C863CCDE8891BED39@MOM2> Hello Ethel Gertruida's parents were Johan Pieter Gysbert * 7.6.1833 baptised Tulbagh 5.1.1834 x Tulbagh 6.6.1853 and his parents Johan's parents were Johan Michiel * 6.9.1810 k: Lutherse Kerk 14.10.1810 x Kaapstad 23.9.1832 Gesina Alida KOCK and he was son of Johann Pfeiffer van Windischgritz in Steinmark, Austria and was a trumpeter in the Batavian Regiment. He married on 6/10/1803 to Elsje VAN ELVE v.d.K. widow of Ernst Friedrich Hargis (sien Hargis, Personalia of the Germans at the Cape page 133 If you have any family tree info such as gedcoms or interesting stories or photographs of families from Clanwilliam etc - please consider donating them to the Museum as next year is the towns 200th Anniversary. regards Heather Found the above on google. Perhaps you did not see it previously? Denise Wheeler Pretoria On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Ethel Pittaway via < south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I am hoping that today will be when I break through this wall :) I am > looking for the PARENTS of the following person: > Andries Johannes Burger born cir 1867 > Married Gertruida Wilhelmina Phyfer 14 Jan 1890 (Porterville) > > Children born to this couple: > Catharina Christina Burger (born and died 1896) > Andries Petrus Johannes Burger (born and died 1896) > *Johannes Petrus Burger born 30 Jan 1898, christened 6 March 1898 > Piketberg, died 1960 > Andries Petrus Johannes Burger born 19 Aug 1899 died 1900 > Willem Jacobus Burger born 12 Jan 1902 died 1902 > Gerhardus Willem Burger born 10 Jan 1905 died 14 Dec 1918 > John Sanders Burger born 16 March 1909 died 14 Dec 1918 > *Barend Frederik Burger (no details) > *It appears that only these two children survived. Perhaps someone has > details for Barend Frederik Burger? > Hoping someone will shed some light. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I don't know if you have any of these, but maybe you can find something that might connect. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-23580-63586-24?cc=1468076 <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-23580-63586-24?cc=1468076&wc= SFV4-HZK:44975801,44975802,49930601,49933001> &wc=SFV4-HZK:44975801,44975802,49930601,49933001 William Jacobus Lottering Born 13 Nov 1918 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-23580-67808-34?cc=1468076 <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-23580-67808-34?cc=1468076&wc= SFV4-C6T:44975801,44975802,499> &wc=SFV4-C6T:44975801,44975802,499 Cornelius Petrus Lottering Born 26 Oct 1919 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-23580-68079-31?cc=1468076 <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-23580-68079-31?cc=1468076&wc= SFV4-C6T:44975801,44975802,49993601,49995501> &wc=SFV4-C6T:44975801,44975802,49993601,49995501 Frances Maud Lottering Born 23 Nov 1928 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-23580-68123-80?cc=1468076 <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-23580-68123-80?cc=1468076&wc= SFV4-C6T:44975801,44975802,49993601,49995501> &wc=SFV4-C6T:44975801,44975802,49993601,49995501 Alice Sophie Lottering Born 9 Mar 1929 Charles Lottering Born 7 July 1928 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-23580-65891-38?cc=1468076 <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-23580-65891-38?cc=1468076&wc= SFV4-C6T:44975801,44975802,49993601,49995501> &wc=SFV4-C6T:44975801,44975802,49993601,49995501 Frederick Johanne Lottering Born 29 Jun 1931 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-23580-64345-76?cc=1468076 <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-23580-64345-76?cc=1468076&wc= SFV4-HZC:44975801,44975802,49974001,49983001> &wc=SFV4-HZC:44975801,44975802,49974001,49983001 Benjamin Basil Lottering Born 19 Nov 1935 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-23580-61844-35?cc=1468076 <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-23580-61844-35?cc=1468076&wc= SFV4-HZC:44975801,44975802,49974001,49983001> &wc=SFV4-HZC:44975801,44975802,49974001,49983001 James Lottering Born 11 Feb 1935 Edward George Lottering Born 24 Feb 1936 Caroline Kathleen Lottering Born 23 Jan? 1937 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-23580-62600-67?cc=1468076 <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-23580-62600-67?cc=1468076&wc= SFV4-HZX:44975801,44975802,49974001,49984001> &wc=SFV4-HZX:44975801,44975802,49974001,49984001 Brian George Lottering Born 17 Jan 1950 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-23580-64834-24?cc=1468076 <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-23580-64834-24?cc=1468076&wc= SFV4-HZX:44975801,44975802,499> &wc=SFV4-HZX:44975801,44975802,499 Stuart James Lottering Born 7 Jan 1958

Dear Sue, Your rich contribution to everybody's research is immeasurable, and, I assure you, highly appreciated by all. I am not sure if I was the one who asked you to keep a look-out for the Jeffries brothers all those years ago, but they certainly fall within my sphere of interest (Edward George married my g-grandfather's elder sister Martha). Although I had arrived at the detail regarding the marriage of their parents via a different route (Pallott's Marriage Index), the recording of Edward's baptism is valued new information for me, thank you very much. Research into this family is bedevilled by the unstable spelling variations of the surname : Jeffries, Jefferies, Jeffrys, Jefferys, Jeffreys and probably many more. Early Settler records used "Jeffries" (see also Morse-Jones & Nash), and that was the form used in many early documents in this country. However, in due course it reverted to "Jefferies", (Gad's descendants earlier than those of Edward George), and that is the form in use today by all their descendants. The "missing" baptism record for Gad is intriguing. According to his death notice (VAB MHG J349/1892) Gad died on 15 August 1892 at the age of 83 years, 7 months and 12 days, which puts his date of birth in January 1809, and confirms his age as 11 at the time of his emigration. I once received from an overseas researcher what appeared to be an authentic record of Gad's baptism, dates and names of parents all tallying, but the locality was in Banff, Scotland, which raised my eyebrows. I can't locate that record right now. As Gad did not fall into the line of my main thrust I filed it "elsewhere". Given time,I will find it. Banff civic records are littered with all variations of the spelling that I listed above, and that place certainly seems to have been an important seat of the clan. But Banff is somewhat removed from Brentford, London! The London Brickmaker James Watts was definitely the brother of Mary Ann, the mother of the two Jeffries brothers. What is interesting is that their names do not appear on any of William Howard's preparatory Settler lists, and it can be construed that Watts and his nephews were late replacements for last minute drop-outs. If we could depart for a moment from the world of rigid primary sources, and wander in the realm of Jeffries family lore, Mary Ann (Watts ) Jeffries died quite young, and Gad snr. married again. This resulted in enormous family conflict, and the new Mrs Jeffries' hostility towards her stepsons resulted in the unhappy lads hopping on the "Ocean" with their uncle James. Good one to preserve! Regards - Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Mackay via" <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> To: "SA List" <south-africa-l@rootsweb.com>; "ZA-IB List" <south-africa-immigrants-british-l@rootsweb.com>; "EC List" <south-africa-eastern-cape-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 6:17 PM Subject: [ZA-EC] Edward George and Gad Jefferies of Howard's Party > Somebody years ago asked me to look out for this pair of brothers, but I > can't remember who! While transcribing the Grahamstown Journal for 1855 > today, I came across the death announcement for Edward, which said that he > was a native of Brentford. This set me searching in the London > Metropolitan Archive records and I have found his baptism (though not that > of his younger brother Gad), but I have also found some information on > their parents. Their father was another Gad, son of a London bargeman > George Jeffreys, and their mother was Mary Ann Watts. I am assuming that > James Watts of Howard's Party was Mary Ann's brother. I have found a > possible baptism for him but there were quite a few Watts in London and so > I cannot be sure. > > > I have added what I found today to the Extra Info section of eggsa > http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information/j-surnames/1904-jefferies-edward-george-extra-data > > > If anyone has any more definite information based on primary sources, let > me know > > > Sue > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4273/8997 - Release Date: 01/25/15 > > >

I am hoping that today will be when I break through this wall :) I am looking for the PARENTS of the following person: Andries Johannes Burger born cir 1867 Married Gertruida Wilhelmina Phyfer 14 Jan 1890 (Porterville) Children born to this couple: Catharina Christina Burger (born and died 1896) Andries Petrus Johannes Burger (born and died 1896) *Johannes Petrus Burger born 30 Jan 1898, christened 6 March 1898 Piketberg, died 1960 Andries Petrus Johannes Burger born 19 Aug 1899 died 1900 Willem Jacobus Burger born 12 Jan 1902 died 1902 Gerhardus Willem Burger born 10 Jan 1905 died 14 Dec 1918 John Sanders Burger born 16 March 1909 died 14 Dec 1918 *Barend Frederik Burger (no details) *It appears that only these two children survived. Perhaps someone has details for Barend Frederik Burger? Hoping someone will shed some light.

Entry in the Grahamstown Journal 1855 - 3 - July to September..... Saturday 18 Aug 1855: BIRTH at Table Farm, July 17th 1855, Mrs. E.M. TURVEY of a son. Presumably this is Jane Sophia DANIEL wife of Edward Mortimer Turvey. Does anyone know the name of the son? Thanks Brian Benningfield Phones: 27(0)832759857 or 27(0)219758695 Fax: 27(0)866848582 Skype: brianben44 E-Mail: <mailto:brian.ben44@gmail.com> brian.ben44@gmail.com Researching: The BEN(N)INGFIELD; EYBERS; van TUBBERGH; DANIEL; VAN ASWEGEN; LATSKY and related families.

Morning, In the edition of the Journal received today, there is an entry for Jacob TROLLIP and Mary Ann FLANAGAN. Does anyone know which Jacob this is and what Mary Ann FLANAGAN's maiden name was? Not sure where he fits the Trollip tree. Saturday 8 September 1855 MARRIED at Cradock on Tuesday 21st inst by the Rev J. Edwards, Mr. Jacob TROLLIP to Mrs. Mary Ann FLANAGAN. Friends will please accept of this notice. Thanks Moyra Joyce Bedford -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Mackay via Sent: 28 January 2015 03:04 AM To: SA List; ZA-IB List; EC List Subject: [ZA-EC] Extracts from Grahamstown Journal July - September 1855 Latest file uploaded to eggsa http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.php/grahamstown-journal/1157-grahamsto wn-journal-1855-3-july-to-september I have also corrected a mistake in the previous batch. Mrs. Harriet Painter was 72 when she died, not 27. Sue ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Moyra, I have this information on the TROLLIP family in South Africa: Stephen TROLLIP has a son, Jacob, who would be a good age to fit the marriage record you found. I believe most of this TROLLIP information is probably from Ruth May's on-line data. FYI: my interest is mainly in the WARNER BLACKER and WAKEFORD families. Sue A Descendants of Stephen Trollip 1 [1] TROLLIP, Stephen b: February 1802 bap St John Baptist/Frome/Selwood/Somerset b: Horningsham, Wiltshire, Eng d: May 24, 1868 Queenstown, Eastern Cape Province, South Africa . +WELLER, Mary b: 1800 Somerset, Eng m: Bef. 1819 d: December 06, 1832 South Africa b: Bathurst Ch (St Mary's - Methodist & Wesleyan), Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa 2 TROLLIP, James b: October 14, 1820 South Africa d: April 05, 1885 residence of his son-in-law, Indwe Poort, South Africa 2 TROLLIP, Joshua b: May 17, 1822 Doornhoek Farm, Brak River, Cradock, Eastern Cape, South Africa d: April 16, 1887 Doornhoek Farm, Brak River, Cradock, Eastern Cape, South Africa b: Katkop Farm, Eastern Cape, South Africa .. +COLLETT, Rhoda Ann b: December 27, 1824 Camphor's Kraal, Eastern Cape, South Africa m: May 31, 1842 Groenfontein Farm, Cradock, Eastern Cape, South Africa d: November 17, 1898 Mulberry Grove, Cradock, Eastern Cape, South Africa 3 TROLLIP, Lydford b: September 12, 1843 3 TROLLIP, Daniel Edwards b: April 22, 1846 3 TROLLIP, Reuben Stephen b: May 21, 1848 3 TROLLIP, Margaret Rhoda b: January 10, 1850 d: May 1850 3 TROLLIP, Jesse Harriet b: December 03, 1853 3 TROLLIP, Joshua James b: December 06, 1855 3 TROLLIP, Edwin William b: July 02, 1858 3 TROLLIP, Herbert John Wilson b: May 15, 1860 3 TROLLIP, Infant b: 1862 3 TROLLIP, Anthony George b: September 02, 1863 3 TROLLIP, Anna Maria b: August 21, 1865 3 TROLLIP, Theophilus Stewart Chapman b: April 28, 1869 2 TROLLIP, Jacob b: August 06, 1824 d: 1910 2 TROLLIP, Amos b: 1826 *2nd Wife of [1] TROLLIP, Stephen: . +MORRIS, Jane b: 1813 Nottinghamshire, Eng m: June 30, 1834 Bathurst, Eastern Cape Province, South Africa d: January 27, 1857 2 TROLLIP, Samuel Wesley b: June 01, 1848 *3rd Wife of [1] TROLLIP, Stephen: . +WARNER, Mary Toye b: February 09, 1805 Bristol, Gloucester, Eng m: October 27, 1857 Queenstown Meth Marr Rec by H H Dugmore Glen Grey, White Kei, South Africa d: Bet. November 20 - 28, 1885 Le Cruise, Cambridge, East London, Eastern Cape, South Africa Father: WARNER, Henry Mother: BLACKER, Elizabeth Caroline b: East London Cem (West Bank), East London, Eastern Cape, South Africa

Latest file uploaded to eggsa http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.php/grahamstown-journal/1157-grahamstown-journal-1855-3-july-to-september I have also corrected a mistake in the previous batch. Mrs. Harriet Painter was 72 when she died, not 27. Sue

Hi Listers I am a new lister and am trying to trace more information about my great-great-grandfather, Henry Horne, who was born in 1829, married Christina Catharina Bingle (daughter of Thomas Bingle, 1820 settler) in Somerset East and had various children including my great-great-grandmother, Ellen Horne who married Laurence Murrell also in Somerset East. >From the index cards at the Somerset East Museum, it appears that Henry Horne was a blacksmith. Does anyone perhaps have any knowlege of Henry Horne, where he was born or who his parents were?  I would appreciate any information available. RegardsSue Wessels

Hi Vanessa I was wondering if you had read the full text of: "History of South Africa under the administration of the Dutch East India Company, 1652 to 1795" Page 25 Tshomane son of Mayeti, a Pondo Chief took a shipwrecked girl as wife...sounds like your story. She was named by the tribe as Gquma.? https://archive.org/stream/historysouthafr08theagoog#page/n40/mode/2up/search/tshoman or https://archive.org/stream/historysouthafr08theagoog#page/n6/mode/2up regards Cheri --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

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An amazing book to read. Once started, you cannot put it down. Even if this is not your ancestor, I would suggest you read it. The background conditions might shed more info on your family too. Regards. Trudie Marais -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of robelaine via Sent: 26 January 2015 10:12 AM To: Vanessa Maddox; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] King family in the Eastern Cape I just googled your grandmothers info there is amazing info on the Fynn Family I will try your Kings as well Tessa King may assist she has done an amazing amount on the King Family in South Africa Regards Elaine http://www.archivalplatform.org/blog/entry/descendents_of_the_founders/ -----Original Message----- From: Vanessa Maddox via Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 9:36 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] King family in the Eastern Cape Thanks Tombi the book is by Hazel Crampton and it does seem to fit. But without anymore evidence on who Sarah’s father was it’s just speculation however it would be fabulous if there is a connection. Here’s hoping Vanessa From: tombipeck@talktalk.net Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 7:23 PM To: vandavid@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] King family in the Eastern Cape I don't know the details of the story behind the book...."The Sunburnt Queen"....sorry, I've forgotten the name of the author about a young European girl the sole survivor from a wreck taken into an African Family where she eventually became their Queen....sounds similar! Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----Original Message---- From: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Date: 25/01/2015 18:53 To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Subj: [ZA-EC] King family in the Eastern Cape H list I am searching for any information on the King family in the Ngqeleni area and in particularly the family of Sarah Fynn nee King born Ngqeleni 1888 died Durban 1971. She is my great grandmother. I have her death notice which gives her race as coloured and her father’s name Fred King. Her mother according to her daughters is Charlotte James born in Scotland and her siblings Ben, Charlotte and Ellen(of whom I have no information at all). Her surviving daughters say she would tell them the story of being descended from a little girl shipwrecked near Lambazi who married into a Xhosa clan. Her grandmother was definitely a coloured lady, who a family source names as Patience Tshomane and her grandfather an Englishman John Henry King, who had 7 sons and 3 daughters, however this same family source names her father as Moses which is confusing. I am really interested in trying to resolve this conundrum and find out any other information on this family. I have a wealth of information on the Fynn family but sadly nothing on the King family or Charlotte James who my great Aunt thinks may have been a Wesleyan missionary. Best regards Vanessa Maddox ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4273/8993 - Release Date: 01/24/15 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4273/8993 - Release Date: 01/24/15 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4273/9002 - Release Date: 01/26/15

I just googled your grandmothers info there is amazing info on the Fynn Family I will try your Kings as well Tessa King may assist she has done an amazing amount on the King Family in South Africa Regards Elaine http://www.archivalplatform.org/blog/entry/descendents_of_the_founders/ -----Original Message----- From: Vanessa Maddox via Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 9:36 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] King family in the Eastern Cape Thanks Tombi the book is by Hazel Crampton and it does seem to fit. But without anymore evidence on who Sarah’s father was it’s just speculation however it would be fabulous if there is a connection. Here’s hoping Vanessa From: tombipeck@talktalk.net Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 7:23 PM To: vandavid@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] King family in the Eastern Cape I don't know the details of the story behind the book...."The Sunburnt Queen"....sorry, I've forgotten the name of the author about a young European girl the sole survivor from a wreck taken into an African Family where she eventually became their Queen....sounds similar! Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----Original Message---- From: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Date: 25/01/2015 18:53 To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Subj: [ZA-EC] King family in the Eastern Cape H list I am searching for any information on the King family in the Ngqeleni area and in particularly the family of Sarah Fynn nee King born Ngqeleni 1888 died Durban 1971. She is my great grandmother. I have her death notice which gives her race as coloured and her father’s name Fred King. Her mother according to her daughters is Charlotte James born in Scotland and her siblings Ben, Charlotte and Ellen(of whom I have no information at all). Her surviving daughters say she would tell them the story of being descended from a little girl shipwrecked near Lambazi who married into a Xhosa clan. Her grandmother was definitely a coloured lady, who a family source names as Patience Tshomane and her grandfather an Englishman John Henry King, who had 7 sons and 3 daughters, however this same family source names her father as Moses which is confusing. I am really interested in trying to resolve this conundrum and find out any other information on this family. I have a wealth of information on the Fynn family but sadly nothing on the King family or Charlotte James who my great Aunt thinks may have been a Wesleyan missionary. Best regards Vanessa Maddox ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you seen this blog? http://www.archivalplatform.org/blog/entry/cultural_identity/ If you go to the bottom where the comments are there is a comment from Barry Short who says that the same woman is his grandmother? I know it's from 2011 but hope it helps :) -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Vanessa Maddox via Sent: 25 January 2015 08:54 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] King family in the Eastern Cape H list I am searching for any information on the King family in the Ngqeleni area and in particularly the family of Sarah Fynn nee King born Ngqeleni 1888 died Durban 1971. She is my great grandmother. I have her death notice which gives her race as coloured and her father’s name Fred King. Her mother according to her daughters is Charlotte James born in Scotland and her siblings Ben, Charlotte and Ellen(of whom I have no information at all). Her surviving daughters say she would tell them the story of being descended from a little girl shipwrecked near Lambazi who married into a Xhosa clan. Her grandmother was definitely a coloured lady, who a family source names as Patience Tshomane and her grandfather an Englishman John Henry King, who had 7 sons and 3 daughters, however this same family source names her father as Moses which is confusing. I am really interested in trying to resolve this conundrum and find out any other information on this family. I have a wealth of informati! on on the Fynn family but sadly nothing on the King family or Charlotte James who my great Aunt thinks may have been a Wesleyan missionary. Best regards Vanessa Maddox ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Tombi the book is by Hazel Crampton and it does seem to fit. But without anymore evidence on who Sarah’s father was it’s just speculation however it would be fabulous if there is a connection. Here’s hoping Vanessa From: tombipeck@talktalk.net Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 7:23 PM To: vandavid@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] King family in the Eastern Cape I don't know the details of the story behind the book...."The Sunburnt Queen"....sorry, I've forgotten the name of the author about a young European girl the sole survivor from a wreck taken into an African Family where she eventually became their Queen....sounds similar! Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----Original Message---- From: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Date: 25/01/2015 18:53 To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Subj: [ZA-EC] King family in the Eastern Cape H list I am searching for any information on the King family in the Ngqeleni area and in particularly the family of Sarah Fynn nee King born Ngqeleni 1888 died Durban 1971. She is my great grandmother. I have her death notice which gives her race as coloured and her father’s name Fred King. Her mother according to her daughters is Charlotte James born in Scotland and her siblings Ben, Charlotte and Ellen(of whom I have no information at all). Her surviving daughters say she would tell them the story of being descended from a little girl shipwrecked near Lambazi who married into a Xhosa clan. Her grandmother was definitely a coloured lady, who a family source names as Patience Tshomane and her grandfather an Englishman John Henry King, who had 7 sons and 3 daughters, however this same family source names her father as Moses which is confusing. I am really interested in trying to resolve this conundrum and find out any other information on this family. I have a wealth of information on the Fynn family but sadly nothing on the King family or Charlotte James who my great Aunt thinks may have been a Wesleyan missionary. Best regards Vanessa Maddox ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

H list I am searching for any information on the King family in the Ngqeleni area and in particularly the family of Sarah Fynn nee King born Ngqeleni 1888 died Durban 1971. She is my great grandmother. I have her death notice which gives her race as coloured and her father’s name Fred King. Her mother according to her daughters is Charlotte James born in Scotland and her siblings Ben, Charlotte and Ellen(of whom I have no information at all). Her surviving daughters say she would tell them the story of being descended from a little girl shipwrecked near Lambazi who married into a Xhosa clan. Her grandmother was definitely a coloured lady, who a family source names as Patience Tshomane and her grandfather an Englishman John Henry King, who had 7 sons and 3 daughters, however this same family source names her father as Moses which is confusing. I am really interested in trying to resolve this conundrum and find out any other information on this family. I have a wealth of information on the Fynn family but sadly nothing on the King family or Charlotte James who my great Aunt thinks may have been a Wesleyan missionary. Best regards Vanessa Maddox