I have always known kaiings as crackling? Regards, Brian+. -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ctrhine via Sent: 01 February 2015 19:08 To: Pat Frykberg via Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Does anyone have Hello Pat Kaiings or, in English, greaves, are the crispy bits left over from rendered fat, most particularly from fat-tail sheep. Also called vetmoer and afsaksel. The word kaiings sounds like it has Hottentot origins. Food safes work on the principle of cooling by evaporation and are very effective. No CFCs or other gases required. Best wishes, John John Powell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1 Sounds similar to the Coolgardie safe used here in Western Australia: "The Coolgardie Safe is a good old-fashioned piece of Aussie technology invented during the first gold-rush in the town of the same name, Coolgardie in Western Australia, where the climate is extremely harsh and arid. Without any electricity in those days, food would have gone off incredibly quickly without refrigeration. For a desert town without any power, the Coolgardie safe must have been a blessing." There are photos on the Web. Regards, Brian+. -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Frykberg via Sent: 01 February 2015 09:00 To: south-africa@rootsweb.com; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Does anyone have 1.a photo or drawing of the kind of safe we used. There was talk of it here sometime ago. Zinc lined with coke and chicken wire on the outside and water to dribble down from a tray into the coke. And that made the safe quite cold inside? Stood on legs in the shade. 2. kiangs....what was this? Fragile childhood memories coming to the fore! Pat Patricia Frykberg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You get "kaiings" as the leftovers when you fry fat in a pan (we use to do it with sheep fat). Yes Brian it make a "cracking" side when you eat them :) Vir gratis Genealogiese Handleiding gaan na www.gendata.co.za Siebrits/du Toit/Meyer/Zeeman/De Villiers (Franschhoek/Paarl) Jacobs/Oberholster/Smith (Graaff-Reinet/Fauresmith) Le Roux/Van der Merwe (Villiersdorp) Louw/Brink (Kaapstad/Wellington) De Vos (De Doorns/Wellington) Malan (Wellington/Zeerust) Ungerer (Swellendam) Smith (Wellington) On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:27 PM, The Revd Fr Brian Tee via < south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I have always known kaiings as crackling? > Regards, > Brian+. > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > ctrhine > via > Sent: 01 February 2015 19:08 > To: Pat Frykberg via > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Does anyone have > > Hello Pat > Kaiings or, in English, greaves, are the crispy bits left over from > rendered > fat, most particularly from fat-tail sheep. Also called vetmoer and > afsaksel. The word kaiings sounds like it has Hottentot origins. > Food safes work on the principle of cooling by evaporation and are > very effective. No CFCs or other gases required. > Best wishes, John > John Powell > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

1.a photo or drawing of the kind of safe we used. There was talk of it here sometime ago. Zinc lined with coke and chicken wire on the outside and water to dribble down from a tray into the coke. And that made the safe quite cold inside? Stood on legs in the shade. 2. kiangs....what was this? Fragile childhood memories coming to the fore! Pat Patricia Frykberg

Hello Pat Kaiings or, in English, greaves, are the crispy bits left over from rendered fat, most particularly from fat-tail sheep. Also called vetmoer and afsaksel. The word kaiings sounds like it has Hottentot origins. Food safes work on the principle of cooling by evaporation and are very effective. No CFCs or other gases required. Best wishes, John John Powell

Kiangs is fat that is fried in a pan or pot until they are crispy. Glynis -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Frykberg via Sent: 01 February 2015 03:00 AM To: south-africa@rootsweb.com; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Does anyone have 1.a photo or drawing of the kind of safe we used. There was talk of it here sometime ago. Zinc lined with coke and chicken wire on the outside and water to dribble down from a tray into the coke. And that made the safe quite cold inside? Stood on legs in the shade. 2. kiangs....what was this? Fragile childhood memories coming to the fore! Pat Patricia Frykberg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Feb 1, 2015, at 4:36 AM, Daniel Jacobs via wrote: > You get "kaiings" as the leftovers when you fry fat in a pan (we use to do > it with sheep fat). Yes Brian it make a "cracking" side when you eat them > :) If you roast a leg or pork, fat side up, the fat turns to yummy crackling. ..Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.Furryboots.info (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Hi Pat, hope you are still well. Yes there was quite an extensive discussion on the topic of how the old folk managed to preserve perishables in the days before fridges and freezers. I remember the type 'safe' you mention although not zinc lined. Amazing how long food stayed usable in them. Most houses had a pantry and that room was always cool, whether by design or accident I do not know. Kiangs, now there is a delicasey not seen much today. It was either pork or sheep fat rendered down, in a previously disadvantaged three legged pot, until only the crunchy bits were left. I remember eating it with my mielie pap. Nothing better. Now my mouth is watering all over again. I ate so much of those that it is a wonder that I did not develope cholesterol at that age. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Pat Frykberg via <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sender: south-africa-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 13:59:51 To: <south-africa@rootsweb.com>; <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: Pat Frykberg <patfryk@clear.net.nz>, south-africa@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Does anyone have 1.a photo or drawing of the kind of safe we used. There was talk of it here sometime ago. Zinc lined with coke and chicken wire on the outside and water to dribble down from a tray into the coke. And that made the safe quite cold inside? Stood on legs in the shade. 2. kiangs....what was this? Fragile childhood memories coming to the fore! Pat Patricia Frykberg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nora Here is a link to the marriage certificate for Ronald Gordon and Mildred Cockroft https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12392-187471-26?cc=2063749 Kind regards Nikki Sedgefield western cape -----Original Message----- From: Nora McLean via Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 7:16 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Smith and Gordon families at Port Alfred I have just signed onto this list because I finally have some information that might help me in my long search for my son in law's ancestors. I was incredibly excited yesterday to get some of the details that I needed to make a breakthrough for his maternal grandmother's side of the family. My son in law was born here in Canada; his father Patrick was from Kitale in Kenya and his mother Anne was born at Durban about 1946. She passed away in 1995 here in Canada, and all the connections to her family back in South Africa were lost. Her maiden name was Smith and when I first found out, my heart sank because I knew I was up against a real genealogical brick wall. I have spent a long time gathering one tiny tidbit of information at a time, and hoping it will pay off. >From Anne's small obituary in a newspaper, it was stated that her mother's name was "Daphne"; Daphne survived Anne, but it sounded as if her father had already passed away. There are or were surviving siblings also but I will refer to them another time. I sent away for Anne and Patrick's marriage reg. that took place in England in 1979 and learned that Anne's father was William Eric Smith. Yesterday I discovered the identitynumber.org site and after signing up, was able to determine Daphne's full name (Daphne Joyce Gordon) and dates of birth and death and a marriage date for William and Daphne. A researcher named John Wynne saw my message on Ancestry.com and found the names of Daphne's parents and siblings- I was thrilled to discover there is a lengthy Gordon history available- I see a woman named Carol Forsberg posting on this list who would be related to my son in law's family by marriage and I wonder if anyone knows how to get in touch with her? I tried her posted email address but the message bounced back. Anyway here is what I now know and hope that if anyone recognizes these names, please contact me or post here with any additional information- I am still at a total loss as to the parents and family of origin for William Eric Smith and would appreciate any advice as to how to find them. William Eric Smith was born Nov. 27, 1919, place unknown, died at Port Elizabeth Nov. 20 1988; there is a memorial plaque for him on a stone or brick wall at a cemetery at Port Alfred, the cem. is also known as the "golf course cemetery". I do see some other Smith's buried in same place but have no idea if they are related. I can post their names in another message. Daphne Joyce Gordon was born March 17, 1919 at Durban and died June 21, 1999, I think at Port Alfred, that is where she and William lived with their children in later years. I have no idea if Daphne was cremated or buried; there is no marker for her beside William's name on that wall. Her parents were Ronald Nettleton Gordon and Mildred Ivy Cockcroft. William and Daphne were married in 1944 (perhaps at Durban?) and had 2 sons and 2 daughters. My son in law has memories of flying to South Africa with his mother Anne when he was younger to visit his grandparents at Port Alfred. I would be most grateful for any help I can get with these families- I have been trying for seven years to find information but always knew it would come slowly and with a great deal of patience!!! Thank you from Nora in Alberta, Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.935 / Virus Database: 4257.1.1/8529 - Release Date: 01/31/15 04:01:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.935 / Virus Database: 4257.1.1/8529 - Release Date: 01/31/15 04:01:00

Nikki, thank you for this link. I can now start to gather the documents I need to build a family file for my son in law! Nora -----Original Message----- From: Nikki [mailto:alnic@polka.co.za] Sent: January 31, 2015 11:14 AM To: Nora McLean; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Smith and Gordon families at Port Alfred Hi Nora Here is a link to the marriage certificate for Ronald Gordon and Mildred Cockroft https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12392-187471-26?cc=2063749 Kind regards Nikki Sedgefield western cape -----Original Message----- From: Nora McLean via Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 7:16 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Smith and Gordon families at Port Alfred I have just signed onto this list because I finally have some information that might help me in my long search for my son in law's ancestors. I was incredibly excited yesterday to get some of the details that I needed to make a breakthrough for his maternal grandmother's side of the family. My son in law was born here in Canada; his father Patrick was from Kitale in Kenya and his mother Anne was born at Durban about 1946. She passed away in 1995 here in Canada, and all the connections to her family back in South Africa were lost. Her maiden name was Smith and when I first found out, my heart sank because I knew I was up against a real genealogical brick wall. I have spent a long time gathering one tiny tidbit of information at a time, and hoping it will pay off. >From Anne's small obituary in a newspaper, it was stated that her >mother's name was "Daphne"; Daphne survived Anne, but it sounded as if her father had already passed away. There are or were surviving siblings also but I will refer to them another time. I sent away for Anne and Patrick's marriage reg. that took place in England in 1979 and learned that Anne's father was William Eric Smith. Yesterday I discovered the identitynumber.org site and after signing up, was able to determine Daphne's full name (Daphne Joyce Gordon) and dates of birth and death and a marriage date for William and Daphne. A researcher named John Wynne saw my message on Ancestry.com and found the names of Daphne's parents and siblings- I was thrilled to discover there is a lengthy Gordon history available- I see a woman named Carol Forsberg posting on this list who would be related to my son in law's family by marriage and I wonder if anyone knows how to get in touch with her? I tried her posted email address but the message bounced back. Anyway here is what I now know and hope that if anyone recognizes these names, please contact me or post here with any additional information- I am still at a total loss as to the parents and family of origin for William Eric Smith and would appreciate any advice as to how to find them. William Eric Smith was born Nov. 27, 1919, place unknown, died at Port Elizabeth Nov. 20 1988; there is a memorial plaque for him on a stone or brick wall at a cemetery at Port Alfred, the cem. is also known as the "golf course cemetery". I do see some other Smith's buried in same place but have no idea if they are related. I can post their names in another message. Daphne Joyce Gordon was born March 17, 1919 at Durban and died June 21, 1999, I think at Port Alfred, that is where she and William lived with their children in later years. I have no idea if Daphne was cremated or buried; there is no marker for her beside William's name on that wall. Her parents were Ronald Nettleton Gordon and Mildred Ivy Cockcroft. William and Daphne were married in 1944 (perhaps at Durban?) and had 2 sons and 2 daughters. My son in law has memories of flying to South Africa with his mother Anne when he was younger to visit his grandparents at Port Alfred. I would be most grateful for any help I can get with these families- I have been trying for seven years to find information but always knew it would come slowly and with a great deal of patience!!! Thank you from Nora in Alberta, Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.935 / Virus Database: 4257.1.1/8529 - Release Date: 01/31/15 04:01:00

I have just signed onto this list because I finally have some information that might help me in my long search for my son in law's ancestors. I was incredibly excited yesterday to get some of the details that I needed to make a breakthrough for his maternal grandmother's side of the family. My son in law was born here in Canada; his father Patrick was from Kitale in Kenya and his mother Anne was born at Durban about 1946. She passed away in 1995 here in Canada, and all the connections to her family back in South Africa were lost. Her maiden name was Smith and when I first found out, my heart sank because I knew I was up against a real genealogical brick wall. I have spent a long time gathering one tiny tidbit of information at a time, and hoping it will pay off. >From Anne's small obituary in a newspaper, it was stated that her mother's name was "Daphne"; Daphne survived Anne, but it sounded as if her father had already passed away. There are or were surviving siblings also but I will refer to them another time. I sent away for Anne and Patrick's marriage reg. that took place in England in 1979 and learned that Anne's father was William Eric Smith. Yesterday I discovered the identitynumber.org site and after signing up, was able to determine Daphne's full name (Daphne Joyce Gordon) and dates of birth and death and a marriage date for William and Daphne. A researcher named John Wynne saw my message on Ancestry.com and found the names of Daphne's parents and siblings- I was thrilled to discover there is a lengthy Gordon history available- I see a woman named Carol Forsberg posting on this list who would be related to my son in law's family by marriage and I wonder if anyone knows how to get in touch with her? I tried her posted email address but the message bounced back. Anyway here is what I now know and hope that if anyone recognizes these names, please contact me or post here with any additional information- I am still at a total loss as to the parents and family of origin for William Eric Smith and would appreciate any advice as to how to find them. William Eric Smith was born Nov. 27, 1919, place unknown, died at Port Elizabeth Nov. 20 1988; there is a memorial plaque for him on a stone or brick wall at a cemetery at Port Alfred, the cem. is also known as the "golf course cemetery". I do see some other Smith's buried in same place but have no idea if they are related. I can post their names in another message. Daphne Joyce Gordon was born March 17, 1919 at Durban and died June 21, 1999, I think at Port Alfred, that is where she and William lived with their children in later years. I have no idea if Daphne was cremated or buried; there is no marker for her beside William's name on that wall. Her parents were Ronald Nettleton Gordon and Mildred Ivy Cockcroft. William and Daphne were married in 1944 (perhaps at Durban?) and had 2 sons and 2 daughters. My son in law has memories of flying to South Africa with his mother Anne when he was younger to visit his grandparents at Port Alfred. I would be most grateful for any help I can get with these families- I have been trying for seven years to find information but always knew it would come slowly and with a great deal of patience!!! Thank you from Nora in Alberta, Canada

Good morning from a lovely cool Cape Town With the help of Peter Elliott and Haydn Lyod in Scotland I have found information on my late wife's family, the CHAPLINs. It also transpires that an ancestor David CHAPLIN in 1848 in Angus, Scotland married Janet PEDDIE. Now PEDDIE not being a common surname makes me wonder if there is a link to Colonel PEDDIE after whom the town Peddie is named. Has anyone researched the PEDDIE family? I would be very interested to find out about him. Regards Rod g Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Hi Sue There is a tree: http://www.geni.com/people/Robert-Horne/6000000028060797938 They arrived with no children and according to several sources the children were baptised at St George Grahamstown so maybe troll through those registers to check. Or go to http://www.albany1820.com as many baptisms have been summarised there. As for the earlier family...He was married Clerkenwell. So chances are he lived in the surrounding area. You can search the registers there for other clues ? He was born in 1799 http://www.dustydocs.com.au/county-page/c/1/england/24/middlesex.html#clerkenwell-registration-district Regards Cheri -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Wessels via Sent: Friday, 30 January 2015 2:58 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] PIRIE-HORN In a quest to find the parents of my ancester, 1820 settler Robert Henry William Horn(e), I found a baptism record for Mary Rachel Horn baptised at St Mary, Rotherhithe, Surrey on 6 September 1795. Parents Robert and Sarah. It appears Mary Rachel had the following siblings as baptism records to the same parents at the same church are as follows: James, John - born 31 May 1789 and Robert - born 7 August 1791, all baptised on 17 October 1798; also Sarah, baptised 19 May 1793 and Jemima, baptised 26 February 1796. There is another baptism record for a Robert William Henry Horn (very similar) on 7 Oct 1798 at St Saviour's, Southward, Surrey which is within walking distance from St Mary, Rotherhithe, also parents Robert and Sarah Horn. I am now not sure whether either of these baptism records belongs to Robert Henry William Horn. Sue --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hello I am trying to find out when, exactly, Albert William Lynch, his wife and children came to the Cape Colony from Ireland (family story). It must have been before 1904 as on the back of a photo of his son Robert Aloysius Benignus Lynch and his brother Joseph, as young children, is written: Dear Annie this is to remember Bobbie & Joseph as we wont see you for three years. Love, remember us, write to us from Ireland (I think she went to be a nun) and we will be in Grahamstown. Hope you will be happy on the date of Jan 16 1904. The date you left Africa for Ireland. Any help will be appreciated Cheers Jenn Graham & Jennifer Lloyd [Genealogical & Historical Research] Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 Mobile: 0824037343 email: lacey@yebo.co.za www.southafricanfamily.com I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged

On Jan 30, 2015, at 1:09 AM, Graham and Jennifer Lloyd via wrote: > Hello > I am trying to find out when, exactly, Albert William Lynch, his wife and > children came to the Cape Colony from Ireland (family story). > It must have been before 1904 Dear Jenn, I do not have information on your person, but it happens I am also looking for someine who came from Ireland before that date. I found a website that has sent me in various directions that MAY be useful so I thought I would at least share that here in case it is useful to you. Here is the website and a good one which you find if you dig from there: http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2012/04/more-boer-war-records-on-findmypast-uk.html http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/ From there you can find other resources. If anyone knows how to research passenger arrival lists from the second half of 19th century, I'd be glad. My other challenge is to find death certificate around the turn of the century. I have looked at the familysearch trascrptios but there is not even one (GLEESON) listed much less a Thomas Joseph GLEESON, and I know several GLEESONS have documented tombstones in SA, so it is clearly not close to complete at Family Search though they list a high percentage complete in the death notices for Cape Province. I am in USA so cannot readily go to SA sources in person. Is there a way to find such info from here - such as passenger list arrivals and/or death notices between 1856 and 1904? (Even if they are on line but not indexed). Thanks for any insights. Good luck Jenn on your search. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.Furryboots.info (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

In a quest to find the parents of my ancester, 1820 settler Robert Henry William Horn(e), I found a baptism record for Mary Rachel Horn baptised at St Mary, Rotherhithe, Surrey on 6 September 1795.  Parents Robert and Sarah. It appears Mary Rachel had the following siblings as baptism records to the same parents at the same church are as follows: James, John - born 31 May 1789 and Robert - born 7 August 1791, all baptised on 17 October 1798; also Sarah, baptised 19 May 1793 and Jemima, baptised 26 February 1796.  There is another baptism record for a Robert William Henry Horn (very similar) on 7 Oct 1798 at St Saviour's, Southward, Surrey which is within walking distance from St Mary, Rotherhithe, also parents Robert and Sarah Horn.  I am now not sure whether either of these baptism records belongs to Robert Henry William Horn. Sue

Much appreciated Cheri.  I am interested to see he was the son of an 1820 Settler, Robert Henry William Horne (or Horn).  I have the names of five children, Robert George, Mary Anne, Henry, John and Eliza Jane but will keep looking for the other two.   I see Henry is entry no. 657 on page 109.  Entry no. 658 is for his brother, William Carsisle.  I wonder if this is a transcription error as the Chaplain was William Carsisle.  Perhaps I could check it at some time. Sue

You are not going crazy. I have gone backwards! When I transcribed the extracts from the issues at the National Archives at Kew, I had to omit July to December 1846 as those issues were missing from the file. I have done a quick transcription of issues held at the British Library, but unfortunately the text has been rubbed away in the bottom right hand corner of many issues, and that is just where the BMDs tend to be! Still, I thought something was better than nothing. The following files have been uploaded to eggsa http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.php/grahamstown-journal/1159-grahamstown-journal-1846-3-july-to-september http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.php/grahamstown-journal/1160-grahamstown-journal-1846-4-october-to-december Sue

Hi Beatrice I saw your request on the mailing list just over a week ago and wondered if you had ever come across this person Hubert Peter Kurz, B: 09.09.1945 in Hallein, Austria; immigrated to the UK. >From 1968 on, he lived for several years in England, probably in London. Later on, he immigrated to South Africa. His last known address was 74 Willet Street, Newton Park, Port Elizabeth 6045. the family suggest he may have died in 1989 in South Africa. Thanks in advance Heather From: Beatrice Burst via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: Beatrice Burst <burst@web.de>, "south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com" <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, January 17, 2015 at 1:29 PM To: "south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com" <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Kurz_Digel_Fauser_Wörner from Gomaringen/Germany to South Africa Hello Patricia, Thanks, I will check it. Beatrice Burst Gesendet: Freitag, 16. Januar 2015 um 23:42 Uhr Von: "Pat Frykberg" <patfryk@clear.net.nz> An: "Beatrice Burst" <burst@web.de>, south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [ZA-EC] Kurz_Digel_Fauser_Wörner from Gomaringen/Germany to South Africa Beatrice You might also try the "Sam Cohen Library and Archive" in Swakopmund Namibia. I have been there and it has old German newspapers and letters and a wealth of information... They are on line. But I have not recently checked. Patricia Frykberg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Nikki, fascinating, and what fertile guys these were. I saw one report from the Grahamstown Journal (link found in these posts) where a woman had 306 direct descendants (children, grandchildren, greats and great greats!) listed in her death notice! Yvette From: Nikki via Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:09 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] More on Land Surveyor responsible for settlement of 1820settlers Hi All Some time this month there was a discussion regarding the Land Surveyor who was responsible for surveying the 1820 settlements. Today I came across some info in a copy of Africana Notes and News September 1978 Vol 23. No.3. Excerpt from article entitled The Knobel and Von Buchenoder Tombs by R.R. Langham Carter. “.............. Knobel was appointed secretary of the Uitenhage District on 11 Oct 1804 and continued as secretary to the landdrost under British rule when this was restored in 1806. The Buchenroders lived with him and he married his Maria in Cape Town on 10 July 1809. Knobel worked as a sworn surveyor in the Uitenhage and Albany districts from 1813 to 1822. He was responsible for the survey of Grahamstown in 1814 and he designed the first Dutch Reformed Church in Uitehage three years later. This was erected in 1822 and declared a national monument in 1966. In 1820 the Uitenhage landdrost Colonel J.G. Cuyler and Knobel were among those who met the settlers at Algoa Bay, and on 18 April they set out with the first parties to their grants which Knobel had surveyed. And he planned the lay-out of the new town of Bathurst in the following July.” It would seem that Mr Knobel was a pretty industrious fellow as the article goes on to say that Mrs Knobel gave birth to eleven children in seventeen years! She died in 1827 not longer after giving birth to her twelfth!! Kind regards Nikki Sedgefield No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.935 / Virus Database: 4257.1.1/8512 - Release Date: 01/28/15 04:01:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message