I have this Florence Ann SMITH (born GRAHAM) as the wife of Cecil Alfred SMITH - He was born 20 Jul 1873 and buried in Port Alfred 3 March 1951 - son of Alfred Slater SMITH & Mary Ann WEBBER and grandson of William Collins SMITH and Joyce FIELDING I have two children recorded for Cecil Alfred SMITH and Florence Ann GRAHAM: - Mildred Mary GRAHAM - born 15 Jul 1898 in Port Alfred - Florence Kate Tugela SMITH - born 22 Mar 1900 in Port Alfred Message: 6 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:39:14 -0700 From: "Nora McLean" <notesfornora@telus.net> Subject: [ZA-EC] Graham and Smith at Port Alfred To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <201502050338.t153ci14032514@mail.rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone know the identity of these two women who are buried or memorialized at the Port Alfred cemetery also known as the golf course cemetery? Florence Ann Smith nee Graham died at age 65 years on October 7, 1936 That puts her year of birth at about 1871. Who was her SMITH husband? In same plot (as per online notation) is buried Ellen Mary Graham, who died July 14, 1902 aged 53 years. This puts her yob at about 1849. Was she Florence Ann Graham Smith's mother? Any chance she was Ellen Mary Dicks married to Rowland Graham? I found a birth record for Arthur Dicks Graham born Dec. 24, 1874 near Boston, Pietermaritzburg, and John James Graham born July 17, 1877, Howick near Pietermaritzburg. Parents to both men were Rowland Graham and Ellen Mary Dicks. Florence Ann Graham/Mrs. Smith above would fit to be a sister to these brothers. Thanks from Nora

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HI Vanessa Have you seen this: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/36419/36419-h/36419-h.htm Scroll to chapter three "the white waif" Gquma lived only for about eighteen years after her marriage. She bore to her husband two sons, the eldest of whom was called Begela, and a daughter, who was called Bessie. Begela inherited the chieftainship after the death of his father. During the lifetime of Gquma, ’Ndepa did not take another wife. http://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/mar/22/pressandpublishing.southafrica Piecing together other fragments, Taylor concluded that Ms Logie had been adopted by a sub-group know as the ama-Tshomane whose matriarch, by coincidence, was an Englishwoman named Gquma who had been shipwrecked as a child in Pondoland about 40 years earlier. By the time a rescue party from the Cape arrived in 1791, nine years after the Grosvenor sank, Ms Logie was dead, her spirit and strength probably worn down from the grind of tanning hides, planting crops and collecting firewood. cheri --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Dear Nora, My husband's family are Dicks and their branch line was Joseph Dicks who settled in Howick - I think the two brothers came out around 1850 ies - I am at work at present but I am sure that Ellen Mary Dicks is somewhere in his line. I will ask him to respond to you in the next few days. We were in Port Alfred on 23 December - and went to the British Settlers Church - but of course the surname Graham would not have rung any bells. Regards, Alison Dicks -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nora McLean via Sent: 05 February 2015 05:39 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] Graham and Smith at Port Alfred Does anyone know the identity of these two women who are buried or memorialized at the Port Alfred cemetery also known as the golf course cemetery? Florence Ann Smith nee Graham died at age 65 years on October 7, 1936 That puts her year of birth at about 1871. Who was her SMITH husband? In same plot (as per online notation) is buried Ellen Mary Graham, who died July 14, 1902 aged 53 years. This puts her yob at about 1849. Was she Florence Ann Graham Smith's mother? Any chance she was Ellen Mary Dicks married to Rowland Graham? I found a birth record for Arthur Dicks Graham born Dec. 24, 1874 near Boston, Pietermaritzburg, and John James Graham born July 17, 1877, Howick near Pietermaritzburg. Parents to both men were Rowland Graham and Ellen Mary Dicks. Florence Ann Graham/Mrs. Smith above would fit to be a sister to these brothers. Thanks from Nora ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The information in this e-mail is confidential and is legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. Whilst all reasonable steps are taken to ensure the accuracy and integrity of information and data transmitted electronically and to preserve the confidentiality thereof, no liability or responsibility whatsoever is accepted if information or data is, for whatever reason, corrupted, or does not reach its intended destination. The information in this e-mail is confidential and is legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. Whilst all reasonable steps are taken to ensure the accuracy and integrity of information and data transmitted electronically and to preserve the confidentiality thereof, no liability or responsibility whatsoever is accepted if information or data is, for whatever reason, corrupted, or does not reach its intended destination.

On Feb 4, 2015, at 9:27 AM, Vanessa Maddox via wrote: > I would be grateful for any other > information on the King family living in this area which could possibly help > resolve the differences. Hi Vanessa, I have about thirty KINGS in my tree currently, as I descend from two of them, but you will likely get much better info from Tessa King. It is a huge family with some complex relationships. My lines are descended from Joseph King Snr and from Joseph King Jr. The only Sarah I have is Sarah Maud HARDING nee King, daughter of Joseph KING Jr and his wife Ann BRADLEY. I am descended from her sister Mary-Ann. No Fred, so it is the wrong Sarah. From "Joseph KING Jr" I also know of via Elisha KING: Sarah SMITH, 2nd wife of Henry KING Sarah HUNT 2nd wife of Philip Richard KING No Fred KING in this line, so you can rule out Joseph KING Jr and his descendants, in case a process of elimination helps. Hope you find what you need. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.Furryboots.info (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:46 AM, Patti Putter wrote: > Irene - Tim Noakes will LOVE you! > > A bloke at UCT? I have vague memories, it's been a while. ....Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.Furryboots.info (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Does anyone know the identity of this woman who is buried or memorialized at the Port Alfred cemetery also known as the golf course cemetery? Jacoba Johanna SMITH nee Welken died at age 70 years on Aug. 27, 1981, date of birth Sept. 4, 1910. Who was her SMITH husband? Thanks from Nora

Does anyone know the identity of these two women who are buried or memorialized at the Port Alfred cemetery also known as the golf course cemetery? Florence Ann Smith nee Graham died at age 65 years on October 7, 1936 That puts her year of birth at about 1871. Who was her SMITH husband? In same plot (as per online notation) is buried Ellen Mary Graham, who died July 14, 1902 aged 53 years. This puts her yob at about 1849. Was she Florence Ann Graham Smith's mother? Any chance she was Ellen Mary Dicks married to Rowland Graham? I found a birth record for Arthur Dicks Graham born Dec. 24, 1874 near Boston, Pietermaritzburg, and John James Graham born July 17, 1877, Howick near Pietermaritzburg. Parents to both men were Rowland Graham and Ellen Mary Dicks. Florence Ann Graham/Mrs. Smith above would fit to be a sister to these brothers. Thanks from Nora

Hello Listers Access to ancestry.co.uk is free for three days, 6 to 9 Feb 2015. Best wishes, John John Powell

Irene - Tim Noakes will LOVE you! -----Original Message----- From: Irene de Villiers via Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 2:29 PM To: Sybil Banisterjones ; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE Digest, Vol 10, Issue 30 On Feb 2, 2015, at 11:16 PM, Sybil Banisterjones via wrote: > > Just as a matter of interest there are a few restaurants in Pretoria > that advertise mealie meal pap and kaiings on their menus. I can just > imagine it being a cholesterol nightmare !!! ??? > Regards It's a well advertized myth that cholesterol in food is a problem. It is actually brain food. Nothing is better than eggs as a food. You'd die fast without food cholesterol or with a too low level. It's also a myth that a high blood cholesterol comes from fatty food. It comes from sugar and starch food that is deposited as central fat which is metabolically active and actually MAKES the LDL cholesterol in the blood. So cholesterol comes from food - but ONLY from sugar/starch food. Cholesterol in food is not part of that. So the things to eat are crackling and kaiings, and the things to avoid are jelly donuts, mieliepap and potatoes Based on new knowledge:-) Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.Furryboots.info (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for all the information re The Sunburnt Queen which I have now re-read. If Sarah King's father was Fred King then he could well be the son of John Henry King named in the book however that is just speculation. I need to find out who Moses King was whom a distant family member insists was her father. It is quite frustrating as he has furnished us with a family tree which although similar to what we have pieced together differs substantially in certain areas. I would be grateful for any other information on the King family living in this area which could possibly help resolve the differences. Best regards Vanessa Maddox, -----Original Message----- From: Trudie Marais via Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 2:45 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] King family in the Eastern Cape An amazing book to read. Once started, you cannot put it down. Even if this is not your ancestor, I would suggest you read it. The background conditions might shed more info on your family too. Regards. Trudie Marais -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of robelaine via Sent: 26 January 2015 10:12 AM To: Vanessa Maddox; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] King family in the Eastern Cape I just googled your grandmothers info there is amazing info on the Fynn Family I will try your Kings as well Tessa King may assist she has done an amazing amount on the King Family in South Africa Regards Elaine http://www.archivalplatform.org/blog/entry/descendents_of_the_founders/ -----Original Message----- From: Vanessa Maddox via Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 9:36 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] King family in the Eastern Cape Thanks Tombi the book is by Hazel Crampton and it does seem to fit. But without anymore evidence on who Sarah’s father was it’s just speculation however it would be fabulous if there is a connection. Here’s hoping Vanessa From: tombipeck@talktalk.net Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 7:23 PM To: vandavid@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] King family in the Eastern Cape I don't know the details of the story behind the book...."The Sunburnt Queen"....sorry, I've forgotten the name of the author about a young European girl the sole survivor from a wreck taken into an African Family where she eventually became their Queen....sounds similar! Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----Original Message---- From: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Date: 25/01/2015 18:53 To: <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Subj: [ZA-EC] King family in the Eastern Cape H list I am searching for any information on the King family in the Ngqeleni area and in particularly the family of Sarah Fynn nee King born Ngqeleni 1888 died Durban 1971. She is my great grandmother. I have her death notice which gives her race as coloured and her father’s name Fred King. Her mother according to her daughters is Charlotte James born in Scotland and her siblings Ben, Charlotte and Ellen(of whom I have no information at all). Her surviving daughters say she would tell them the story of being descended from a little girl shipwrecked near Lambazi who married into a Xhosa clan. Her grandmother was definitely a coloured lady, who a family source names as Patience Tshomane and her grandfather an Englishman John Henry King, who had 7 sons and 3 daughters, however this same family source names her father as Moses which is confusing. I am really interested in trying to resolve this conundrum and find out any other information on this family. I have a wealth of information on the Fynn family but sadly nothing on the King family or Charlotte James who my great Aunt thinks may have been a Wesleyan missionary. 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On Feb 2, 2015, at 11:16 PM, Sybil Banisterjones via wrote: > > Just as a matter of interest there are a few restaurants in Pretoria > that advertise mealie meal pap and kaiings on their menus. I can just > imagine it being a cholesterol nightmare !!! ??? > Regards It's a well advertized myth that cholesterol in food is a problem. It is actually brain food. Nothing is better than eggs as a food. You'd die fast without food cholesterol or with a too low level. It's also a myth that a high blood cholesterol comes from fatty food. It comes from sugar and starch food that is deposited as central fat which is metabolically active and actually MAKES the LDL cholesterol in the blood. So cholesterol comes from food - but ONLY from sugar/starch food. Cholesterol in food is not part of that. So the things to eat are crackling and kaiings, and the things to avoid are jelly donuts, mieliepap and potatoes Based on new knowledge:-) Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.Furryboots.info (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Hello there, You could enquire of the Tees who are still in Uitenhage? I have lost contact with them. I think one of the descendants worked for St Katherines Anglican church in Uitenhage. But I am sure if you contact the church they would tell you. Kind regards Eleanor -----Original Message----- From: The Revd Fr Brian Tee Sent: Monday, February 2, 2015 1:35 PM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] TEE family of Uitenhage Dear Listers, Is there any way I can establish who the Tee was who was resident in Philpott Street, Uitenhague, in January 1910? Are there perhaps any local directories available for that time? This information would help me demolish a brick wall of many years' standing. Any assistance/suggestions gratefully received. Kind regards, Brian+.

Hello everyone, and the Revd Fr Brian Tee, I just googled Coolgardie Safe and found heaps of entries and images about this invention, familiar to me since childhood. I had relatives working in the area on cattle stations and they probably, were drawn to WA from Victoria during the gold rushes in both states. The google entries also offer some background to the W.A. goldfields themselves. Victoria (the state) and Western Australian have a lot in common with South Africa in that the discovery of gold gave such a tremendous boost to development. Wasn’t an Australian involved in the big find in J’Berg? I agree this stuff is what makes genealogy so interesting. We all want to find out what it was like for our ancestors. And most of them did it very tough. Margaret Farrell

Good morning Listers Just as a matter of interest there are a few restaurants in Pretoria that advertise mealie meal pap and kaiings on their menus. I can just imagine it being a cholesterol nightmare !!! ??? Regards Sybil On 2 February 2015 at 10:00, <south-africa-eastern-cape-request@rootsweb.com > wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Does anyone have (ctrhine@talktalk.net) > 2. Re: Does anyone have (The Revd Fr Brian Tee) > 3. Re: Does anyone have (The Revd Fr Brian Tee) > 4. Re: Does anyone have (Daniel Jacobs) > 5. Re: Does anyone have (Irene de Villiers) > 6. Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Does anyone have a photo of a Cooler > "Safe" (Pat Frykberg) > 7. Re: Does anyone have (Pat Frykberg) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: ctrhine@talktalk.net > To: Pat Frykberg via <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Cc: > Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 11:07:55 -0000 > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Does anyone have > Hello Pat > Kaiings or, in English, greaves, are the crispy bits left over from > rendered fat, most particularly from fat-tail sheep. Also called > vetmoer and afsaksel. The word kaiings sounds like it has Hottentot > origins. > Food safes work on the principle of cooling by evaporation and are > very effective. No CFCs or other gases required. > Best wishes, John > John Powell > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: The Revd Fr Brian Tee <snottygobble@bigpond.com> > To: "'Pat Frykberg'" <patfryk@clear.net.nz>, < > south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Cc: > Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 20:21:29 +0800 > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Does anyone have > 1 Sounds similar to the Coolgardie safe used here in Western Australia: > > "The Coolgardie Safe is a good old-fashioned piece of Aussie technology > invented during the first gold-rush in the town of the same name, > Coolgardie > in Western Australia, where the climate is extremely harsh and arid. > Without any electricity in those days, food would have gone off incredibly > quickly without refrigeration. For a desert town without any power, the > Coolgardie safe must have been a blessing." > > There are photos on the Web. > > Regards, > Brian+. > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat > Frykberg via > Sent: 01 February 2015 09:00 > To: south-africa@rootsweb.com; south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ZA-EC] Does anyone have > > 1.a photo or drawing of the kind of safe we used. There was talk of it here > sometime ago. Zinc lined with coke and chicken wire on the outside and > water > to dribble down from a tray into the coke. And that made the safe quite > cold inside? Stood on legs in the shade. > 2. kiangs....what was this? > Fragile childhood memories coming to the fore! > Pat > Patricia Frykberg > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: The Revd Fr Brian Tee <snottygobble@bigpond.com> > To: <ctrhine@talktalk.net>, <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Cc: > Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 20:27:32 +0800 > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Does anyone have > I have always known kaiings as crackling? > Regards, > Brian+. > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > ctrhine > via > Sent: 01 February 2015 19:08 > To: Pat Frykberg via > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Does anyone have > > Hello Pat > Kaiings or, in English, greaves, are the crispy bits left over from > rendered > fat, most particularly from fat-tail sheep. Also called vetmoer and > afsaksel. The word kaiings sounds like it has Hottentot origins. > Food safes work on the principle of cooling by evaporation and are > very effective. No CFCs or other gases required. > Best wishes, John > John Powell > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Daniel Jacobs <danielmalanjacobs@gmail.com> > To: The Revd Fr Brian Tee <snottygobble@bigpond.com>, > south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 14:36:57 +0200 > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Does anyone have > You get "kaiings" as the leftovers when you fry fat in a pan (we use to do > it with sheep fat). Yes Brian it make a "cracking" side when you eat them > :) > > Vir gratis Genealogiese Handleiding gaan na www.gendata.co.za > > Siebrits/du Toit/Meyer/Zeeman/De Villiers (Franschhoek/Paarl) > Jacobs/Oberholster/Smith (Graaff-Reinet/Fauresmith) > Le Roux/Van der Merwe (Villiersdorp) > Louw/Brink (Kaapstad/Wellington) > De Vos (De Doorns/Wellington) > Malan (Wellington/Zeerust) > Ungerer (Swellendam) > Smith (Wellington) > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:27 PM, The Revd Fr Brian Tee via < > south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > I have always known kaiings as crackling? > > Regards, > > Brian+. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > > ctrhine > > via > > Sent: 01 February 2015 19:08 > > To: Pat Frykberg via > > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Does anyone have > > > > Hello Pat > > Kaiings or, in English, greaves, are the crispy bits left over from > > rendered > > fat, most particularly from fat-tail sheep. Also called vetmoer and > > afsaksel. The word kaiings sounds like it has Hottentot origins. > > Food safes work on the principle of cooling by evaporation and > are > > very effective. No CFCs or other gases required. > > Best wishes, John > > John Powell > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Irene de Villiers <furryboots@icehouse.net> > To: danielmalanjacobs@gmail.com, south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 09:02:16 -0800 > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Does anyone have > > On Feb 1, 2015, at 4:36 AM, Daniel Jacobs via wrote: > > > You get "kaiings" as the leftovers when you fry fat in a pan (we use to > do > > it with sheep fat). Yes Brian it make a "cracking" side when you eat > them > > :) > > If you roast a leg or pork, fat side up, the fat turns to yummy crackling. > > ..Irene > -- > Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. > P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. > www.Furryboots.info > (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) > "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it." > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Pat Frykberg <patfryk@clear.net.nz> > To: Irene de Villiers <furryboots@icehouse.net>, south-africa@rootsweb.com, > Dennis Pretorius <dennispretorius@mweb.co.za>, > south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 09:10:03 +1300 > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] [SOUTH-AFRICA] Does anyone have a photo of a Cooler > "Safe" > Oh what a a treasure trove. This is what really makes genealogy > interesting. In this age of unbelievable magical gadgets even my children > are gobsmacked by our ways. > Thanks to all. Irene's hot water bath brings a chilly memory and I > remember the irons our maid had to fill with hot coals from the stove. And > she ironed immaculately with those heavy big cumbersome things. > And thanks Dennis for that link. In fact thanks all severally and > individually. I got more than I bargained for. > Pat Frykberg > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Irene de Villiers via" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 5:47 AM > To: "Dennis Pretorius" <dennispretorius@mweb.co.za> > Cc: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Does anyone have a photo of a Cooler "Safe" > > >> On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:30 AM, Dennis Pretorius wrote: >> >> You will find a few photos there of "ou goed" >>> >> >> Thanks Dennis, Baie interressant! >> >> My gran had a dozen or more old irons, as they would soon cool and >> there's need to be a fresh one to use next. >> She also had a well pump, manual one, which took a lot of effort daily to >> get enough buckets of water for all uses, carefully labelled as to which >> was for what. >> One of the photos looks almost like the "donkey" which was actually built >> by my dad in the fifties for my gran, outside the bathroom. It was an oven >> .... not for pizza but for water, so as to be able to gravity-run hot water >> into the bathroom for a bath in that frigid cast iron bath that felt like >> ice when you got in and sat on its cold surface under the warm water, as it >> did not warm easily and it was a waste of time/heat to wait for more water >> to heat. You bathed in about 2 inches. As fast as possible in July! >> Despite that, the donkey was a great upgrade from heating water on the >> old coal stove, and it was "plumbed". >> We visited Jamestown every July. Brr. >> >> Dennis wrote: >> Paul and I established a website some years ago with photos of all sorts >> of >> things relating to Genealogy and History especially about South African >> History and Genealogy. You will find a few photos there of "ou goed" ie >> "old >> things" and in particular your safe >> >> The link is: >> http://public.fotki.com/SAgenealogie/ougoed/safeicebox002.html >> >> You are welcome to page through all the other photos of old things and >> many >> others too >> >> ......Irene >> -- >> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. >> P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. >> www.Furryboots.info >> (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) >> "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it." >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1434 / Virus Database: 4257/8535 - Release Date: 02/01/15 >> >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Pat Frykberg <patfryk@clear.net.nz> > To: ctrhine@talktalk.net, south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 13:05:23 +1300 > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Does anyone have > Thanks for the English equivalent. And yes it does sound Hottentot. And we > always made ours from the fat tail sheep. > Sounds as though we can go back and save the planet, since we used no > power or gases or cfcs > Pat > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "ctrhine via" <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 12:07 AM > To: "Pat Frykberg via" <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Does anyone have > > Hello Pat >> Kaiings or, in English, greaves, are the crispy bits left over from >> rendered fat, most particularly from fat-tail sheep. Also called >> vetmoer and afsaksel. The word kaiings sounds like it has Hottentot >> origins. >> Food safes work on the principle of cooling by evaporation and are >> very effective. No CFCs or other gases required. >> Best wishes, John >> John Powell >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1434 / Virus Database: 4257/8535 - Release Date: 02/01/15 >> >> > > To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE list administrator, send an email > to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE mailing list, send an > email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > >

Hi Brian, I presume you are trying to establish the parents of this child? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-21987-21545-24?cc=1779109&wc=9 DC8-W3D:139963801,142215401 Regards, Ellen Stanton -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-eastern-cape-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of The Revd Fr Brian Tee via Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 5:35 AM To: south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZA-EC] TEE family of Uitenhage Dear Listers, Is there any way I can establish who the Tee was who was resident in Philpott Street, Uitenhague, in January 1910? Are there perhaps any local directories available for that time? This information would help me demolish a brick wall of many years' standing. Any assistance/suggestions gratefully received. Kind regards, Brian+. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers, Is there any way I can establish who the Tee was who was resident in Philpott Street, Uitenhague, in January 1910? Are there perhaps any local directories available for that time? This information would help me demolish a brick wall of many years' standing. Any assistance/suggestions gratefully received. Kind regards, Brian+.

The latest file has been uploaded to eggsa at http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.php/grahamstown-journal/1163-grahamstown-journal-1856-1-january-to-march I confess I thought it was a wind-up when I saw that the Rev SPLICEM had officiated at the marriage of Greasy TOUTS :-) Sue

Thanks for the English equivalent. And yes it does sound Hottentot. And we always made ours from the fat tail sheep. Sounds as though we can go back and save the planet, since we used no power or gases or cfcs Pat -------------------------------------------------- From: "ctrhine via" <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 12:07 AM To: "Pat Frykberg via" <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Does anyone have > Hello Pat > Kaiings or, in English, greaves, are the crispy bits left over from > rendered fat, most particularly from fat-tail sheep. Also called > vetmoer and afsaksel. The word kaiings sounds like it has Hottentot > origins. > Food safes work on the principle of cooling by evaporation and are > very effective. No CFCs or other gases required. > Best wishes, John > John Powell > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1434 / Virus Database: 4257/8535 - Release Date: 02/01/15 >

Oh what a a treasure trove. This is what really makes genealogy interesting. In this age of unbelievable magical gadgets even my children are gobsmacked by our ways. Thanks to all. Irene's hot water bath brings a chilly memory and I remember the irons our maid had to fill with hot coals from the stove. And she ironed immaculately with those heavy big cumbersome things. And thanks Dennis for that link. In fact thanks all severally and individually. I got more than I bargained for. Pat Frykberg -------------------------------------------------- From: "Irene de Villiers via" <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 5:47 AM To: "Dennis Pretorius" <dennispretorius@mweb.co.za> Cc: <south-africa@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Does anyone have a photo of a Cooler "Safe" > > On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:30 AM, Dennis Pretorius wrote: > >> You will find a few photos there of "ou goed" > > Thanks Dennis, Baie interressant! > > My gran had a dozen or more old irons, as they would soon cool and there's > need to be a fresh one to use next. > She also had a well pump, manual one, which took a lot of effort daily to > get enough buckets of water for all uses, carefully labelled as to which > was for what. > One of the photos looks almost like the "donkey" which was actually built > by my dad in the fifties for my gran, outside the bathroom. It was an oven > .... not for pizza but for water, so as to be able to gravity-run hot > water into the bathroom for a bath in that frigid cast iron bath that > felt like ice when you got in and sat on its cold surface under the warm > water, as it did not warm easily and it was a waste of time/heat to wait > for more water to heat. You bathed in about 2 inches. As fast as possible > in July! > Despite that, the donkey was a great upgrade from heating water on the old > coal stove, and it was "plumbed". > We visited Jamestown every July. Brr. > > Dennis wrote: > Paul and I established a website some years ago with photos of all sorts > of > things relating to Genealogy and History especially about South African > History and Genealogy. You will find a few photos there of "ou goed" ie > "old > things" and in particular your safe > > The link is: > http://public.fotki.com/SAgenealogie/ougoed/safeicebox002.html > > You are welcome to page through all the other photos of old things and > many > others too > > ......Irene > -- > Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. > P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. > www.Furryboots.info > (Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy) > "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it." > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1434 / Virus Database: 4257/8535 - Release Date: 02/01/15 >