Hi Diana I recall someone awhile ago enquiring about this exact same family. There is no record in the archives except for this couple adopting a child. Unfortunately these records are not open to the public at all. No death notice in the archives for either which might mean the left the country DEPOT KAB SOURCE 1/PEZ TYPE LEERS VOLUME_NO 2 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 26/2/71 PART 1 DESCRIPTION CHILDREN'S ADOPTION ACT. EVANS, AGNES HOPE. ADOPTING PARENTS: FULLER, HENRY AND ETHEL. STARTING 1926 ENDING 1926 Do you not have a address for them in South Africa? Regards Heather Heather MacAlister Channel Manager Ancestry24 5th Floor, 11 Adderley Street Cape Town 8001 http://.ancestry24.com Skype: ancestry24 On 09 Sep 2012, at 13:11, "Diana McCarthy" <diana.mccarthy1@ntlworld.com<mailto:diana.mccarthy1@ntlworld.com>> wrote: I wonder if anyone could help me or point me in the right direction! I live in England, UK & I am trying to assist my Uncle who is now in his 87th year, to trace what happened to his Uncle, who we believe emigrated to South Africa in the early nineteen hundreds. We know he served in the South African Army in the First World War, and any information regarding his life would be so greatly appreciated. The details we have are as follows: Name: Henry Ernest Fuller Birth: 28 September 1888 Location: Putney, Surrey, England Parents: William Henry Fuller and Rosa Jane (nee Maunders) Military: Joined the South African Army in the First World War My Uncle seems to remember his father telling him that Henry Ernest and his wife adopted a child - possibly a daughter. We know that he was 'Single' and still living in England with his Parents & Siblings from the '1911 England & Wales Census.' Taken from the 'UK Incoming Passenger Lists' of 28 April 1922 and the 'Passenger Lists leaving the UK' of the 13 September 1922 we have found this additional information: Occupation: Commercial Traveller for 'Prices (SA) Ltd' Candle Makers. Wife: Ethel Maude ( Fuller ) We can find no trace of his marriage in the UK and wondered if this took place in South Africa sometime between 1911 -1922. What nationality was Ethel Maude and did he meet her sometime during the First World War? We have also found out that in 1910,'Prices Candles' acquired its first overseas factory in Johannesburg and by 1915 the company owned six factories in South Africa, Shanghai and Chile. The Company then went on to construct factories in Rhodesia, Morocco, Pakistan, New Zealand and Sri Lanka. My Uncle has been an avid genealogist for well over forty years now and the hundreds of names that appear on his family tree are quite astonishing ! There were no computers when he started and the amount of hard work that went into producing his tree is amazing. I would love to tell him what happened to his Uncle Henry so that he could complete that side of his family tree. Thank you so very much. Kind regards Diana ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5257 - Release Date: 09/08/12 This email and its contents are subject to an email legal notice that can be viewed at: http://www.naspers.com/email/disclaimer.html Should you be unable to access the link provided, please email us for a copy at csc@optinet.net Hierdie e-pos en sy inhoud is onderhewig aan 'n regskennisgewing oor elektroniese pos wat gelees kan word by http://www.naspers.com/epos/vrywaring.html 'n Afskrif kan aangevra word by csc@optinet.net

Hi Heather Thank you so very much for getting back to me so quickly, and, yes, it was me who contacted you before ! I have been posting messages all over South Africa in my attempt to trace dear old 'Uncle Henry', so please forgive me for bothering you again ! However, thank you so much, I was absolutely thrilled to receive the adoption news and perhaps this could start a new line of enquiry. Would I be right in assuming that Henry and his wife Ethel must have had South African citizenship in order to adopt in the country? Sadly, I have no idea as to where the Fullers lived but, as Henry worked for Prices Candles,I had assumed that he lived near their offices at 84-86 Carr Strret, Newtown, Johannesburg. However, I have just found out that in 1909, Prices's Candles Ltd bought Burmeister Candle factory in Cape Town and that the land and the buildings were sold in 1923 and a new factory was built in Observatory. Do the Cape Town Archives - KAB- only hold documents for Cape Town and the Western Cape or do their records include the whole of South Africa? If it is the former then I presume that the Fullers must have lived somewhere in the vacinity of Cape Town. If the Fullers had permanently left South Africa and either returned to the UK or emigrated to another country, would there be some sort of record held in South Africa and who could I approach for help? I realise I have no rank or serial number for Henry's military service in the South African Army during WW1, but is there anyone you think I could go to for some help in tracing his records? Once again Heather , a huge thank you for all your help - it is so greatly appreciated. Kind regards Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@ancestry24.co.za> To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Trying to trace - FULLER - HENRY ERNEST - BORN 28 SEPTEMBER 1888, PUTNEY, ENGLAND, UK > Hi Diana > I recall someone awhile ago enquiring about this exact same family. > There is no record in the archives except for this couple adopting a > child. Unfortunately these records are not open to the public at all. > No death notice in the archives for either which might mean the left the > country > > > DEPOT KAB > SOURCE 1/PEZ > TYPE LEERS > VOLUME_NO 2 > SYSTEM 01 > REFERENCE 26/2/71 > PART 1 > DESCRIPTION CHILDREN'S ADOPTION ACT. EVANS, AGNES HOPE. ADOPTING > PARENTS: > FULLER, HENRY AND ETHEL. > STARTING 1926 > ENDING 1926 > > > Do you not have a address for them in South Africa? > Regards > Heather > > Heather MacAlister > Channel Manager Ancestry24 > 5th Floor, 11 Adderley Street > Cape Town > 8001 > http://.ancestry24.com > Skype: ancestry24 > > > > On 09 Sep 2012, at 13:11, "Diana McCarthy" > <diana.mccarthy1@ntlworld.com<mailto:diana.mccarthy1@ntlworld.com>> wrote: > > I wonder if anyone could help me or point me in the right direction! > > I live in England, UK & I am trying to assist my Uncle who is now in his > 87th year, to trace what happened to his Uncle, who we believe emigrated > to South Africa in the early nineteen hundreds. > > We know he served in the South African Army in the First World War, and > any information regarding his life would be so greatly appreciated. > > The details we have are as follows: > > > Name: Henry Ernest Fuller > > Birth: 28 September 1888 > > Location: Putney, Surrey, England > > Parents: William Henry Fuller and Rosa Jane (nee Maunders) > > Military: Joined the South African Army in the First World War > > > My Uncle seems to remember his father telling him that Henry Ernest and > his wife adopted a child - possibly a daughter. > > > We know that he was 'Single' and still living in England with his Parents > & Siblings from the '1911 England & Wales Census.' > > > Taken from the 'UK Incoming Passenger Lists' of 28 April 1922 and the > 'Passenger Lists leaving the UK' of the 13 September 1922 we have found > this additional information: > > > Occupation: Commercial Traveller for 'Prices (SA) Ltd' Candle Makers. > > Wife: Ethel Maude ( Fuller ) > > > We can find no trace of his marriage in the UK and wondered if this took > place in South Africa sometime between 1911 -1922. What nationality was > Ethel Maude and did he meet her sometime during the First World War? > > > We have also found out that in 1910,'Prices Candles' acquired its first > overseas factory in Johannesburg and by 1915 the company owned six > factories in South Africa, Shanghai and Chile. The Company then went on to > construct factories in Rhodesia, Morocco, Pakistan, New Zealand and Sri > Lanka. > > > My Uncle has been an avid genealogist for well over forty years now and > the hundreds of names that appear on his family tree are quite astonishing > ! There were no computers when he started and the amount of hard work that > went into producing his tree is amazing. I would love to tell him what > happened to his Uncle Henry so that he could complete that side of his > family tree. > > > Thank you so very much. > > Kind regards > > Diana > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5257 - Release Date: 09/08/12 > > This email and its contents are subject to an email legal notice that can > be viewed at: http://www.naspers.com/email/disclaimer.html Should you be > unable to access the link provided, please email us for a copy at > csc@optinet.net > Hierdie e-pos en sy inhoud is onderhewig aan 'n regskennisgewing oor > elektroniese pos wat gelees kan word by > http://www.naspers.com/epos/vrywaring.html 'n Afskrif kan aangevra word by > csc@optinet.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Diana Thank you so much for your email. It's only a pleasure - I am here to help. The Cape Town archives only holds records for the Cape Province. So if someone died in Durban then their records would be at the Pietermaritzburg Archives. If Henry was in the South African Army then you would need to contact Department of Defence Archives To obtain access to this information, the members written permission is required, or if he/she is deceased, that of his/her next-of-kin. You are thus requested to submit the following documentation in order for your enquiry to proceed: a). A certified copy of the requester’s identity document or passport. b). A signed letter of permission from the member, if passed away. c). A certified death certificate of member, if passed away It the member has passed away, a signed letter of permission must be obtained from a living blood relative including proof of the identification. The approximately 3 million personnel records in the Department of Defence Archives are indexed according to a specific convention. You are therefore requested to provide the Documentation Centre with as much detail as possible regarding the person you are seeking information on. The following are guidelines: a. Force number b. Date of assumption of military service c. Date of discharge from military service d. Regiment/unit where the person served e. Name and address of next-of-kin at the time of his attestation Upon receipt of the required documentation, the matter will receive further attention. This law now falls under the new Access to Information Act (Act 2 of 2000), certain restrictions have been placed upon the release of information to third parties. Obtaining Military Documents Address: Street: Documentation Centre of the SANDF Department of Defence Private Bag X289 PRETORIA 0001 Tel: +27 (012) 322 6350 Fax: +27 (011) 322 6360 Email here Contact: Miss Louise Jooste South African servicemen’s records from the Army, Navy and Air Force are held in these archives. Copies of service records can be obtained if a written application is made. Access: Accessibility is in accordance with the National Archives of South Africa Act (Act No. 43 of 1996) and in the case of classified documentation accessibility is subject to approval of the Chief of Defence Intelligence of the Department of Defence. Brief history: The Department of Defence Archives was established as the SA Defence Force (SADF) Archives on 14 May 1968 following the approval by the Minister of Education of a separate military archives. Prior to this date an organisation for the preservation of the archives of the SADF Archives and its predecessor, the Union Defence Force, did exist but it had no legal status. The SADF Archives had a twofold function, namely to preserve the military archives and to undertake military historical research and history writing. It was therefore decided to rename it the Military Historical and Archival Service (MHAS). In response to the SADF’s requirements, the MHAS gradually developed into a documentation service and this resulted in another change of the name in October 1972. The organisation then became known as the Central Documentation Service. Sweeping changes to the SADF in 1974 resulted in the reference library service, including the Central Library, being integrated into the Central Documentation Service. This led to a change in the status of the organisation. On 1 February 1975 it became a directorate and was designated the Documentation Service Directorate. In 1982 the directorate’s functions were augmented considerably when the SADF’s museums and ethnology service were added to it. Its function then comprised the preservation and management of records and archives; research and history writing; the reference library service; the museum service; and the ethnology service. The organisation was named the Military Information Bureau. Regrettably the Military Information Bureau was disestablished on 31 December 1986 and some of its functions were decentralized to the arms of service. Fortunately the nucleus, namely the SADF Archives and the Military History Section as well as the Central Library, was retained as the SADF Archives. Early in 1991 the SADF’s personnel records were added to the SADF Archives. This warranted the re-instatement of an organisation with directorate status and the SADF Archives became part of Documentation Service Directorate. Following the election in 1994, the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) was established through the integration of the former statutory and non-statutory forces. On 1 April 1999 the name and status of this organisation was once again changed to bring the organisation in line with the transformation process, it is now known as the Documentation Centre. The Documentation Centre continued its functions and its archival service section, now known as t! he Department of Defence Archives, is still the official custodian of the documentation of the Department of Defence, the SANDF and its predecessors dating from 1912. Acquisitions policy: Documentation Centre (Department of Defence Archive) is the custodian of the archives of the Department of Defence/SANDF since its inception in 1912 as the Union Defence Force. All records of offices of the Department of Defence are transferred to the Department of Defence Archives when they are ten years old or older. Areas of specialisation: The Department of Defence Archives specializes in military history. It houses the official records of the Department of Defence as well as a collection of unique publications, unit history files, photographs, maps and pamphlets pertaining to the Department of Defence/SANDF and its predecessors dating from 1912. The Personnel Archives and Reserves (PAR) which also forms part of Documentation Centre, houses the personnel records of all former members of the SANDF and its predecessors. These personnel files are invaluable as a source for biographical details. Documentation Centre is also in possession of a collection of files pertaining to the Anglo-Boer War (1899-1902). It consists of applications by members of the South African Republican Forces during the 1920′s for the following medals: the “Dekoratie voor Trouwe Dienst Anglo-Boereoorlog”, the “De Zuidafrikaanse Republiek en Oranje Vrijstaat Oorlogsmedalje” and the “Lint voor Verwonding ! opgedaan gedurende de Anglo-Boereoorlog”. Core holdings: The Documentation Centre currently houses approximately two million files consisting of 1 607 different archival groups and approximately 250 680 personnel files. The most frequently consulted archival groups are as follows: Adjutant General. Chief of the General Staff. Commandant General. Director General Air Force. Divisional Documents. Naval Ships Logs. Chief of the Navy Ships Logs. Quartermaster General. Secretary for Defence. Union War Histories. Various War Diaries for the First and Second World Wars. Finding aids: The main finding aids used at Documentation Centre comprise of the List of Archives, inventories, indexes and a computer retrieval system. The List of Archives reflects the entire content of the repository. Information such as the name of the archival group, abbreviation, the extent of the group in terms of archive boxes, the location and security classification are provided. Inventories provide detailed information on the content of each archival group. The items are described individually according to the title of the file, the file reference, the dates and the box number. Card indexes are available for the book, manuscript and map collections. Approximately 120 000 documents are available on the computer retrieval system of which about 48 000 are photographs. This represents only a small portion of the total holdings. Kind regards Heather Heather MacAlister Channel Manager E  heather@ancestry24.co.za T  +27 (021) 406 4343 F +27 (0)86 5810390   Join us on Facebook  twitter.com/ancestry24  | Skype: ancestry24 5th Floor , 11 On Adderley, Adderley Str,Cape Town, 8001  |  ancestry24.co.za -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diana McCarthy Sent: 11 September 2012 03:38 PM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Trying to trace - FULLER - HENRY ERNEST - BORN 28 SEPTEMBER 1888, PUTNEY, ENGLAND, UK Hi Heather Thank you so very much for getting back to me so quickly, and, yes, it was me who contacted you before ! I have been posting messages all over South Africa in my attempt to trace dear old 'Uncle Henry', so please forgive me for bothering you again ! However, thank you so much, I was absolutely thrilled to receive the adoption news and perhaps this could start a new line of enquiry. Would I be right in assuming that Henry and his wife Ethel must have had South African citizenship in order to adopt in the country? Sadly, I have no idea as to where the Fullers lived but, as Henry worked for Prices Candles,I had assumed that he lived near their offices at 84-86 Carr Strret, Newtown, Johannesburg. However, I have just found out that in 1909, Prices's Candles Ltd bought Burmeister Candle factory in Cape Town and that the land and the buildings were sold in 1923 and a new factory was built in Observatory. Do the Cape Town Archives - KAB- only hold documents for Cape Town and the Western Cape or do their records include the whole of South Africa? If it is the former then I presume that the Fullers must have lived somewhere in the vacinity of Cape Town. If the Fullers had permanently left South Africa and either returned to the UK or emigrated to another country, would there be some sort of record held in South Africa and who could I approach for help? I realise I have no rank or serial number for Henry's military service in the South African Army during WW1, but is there anyone you think I could go to for some help in tracing his records? Once again Heather , a huge thank you for all your help - it is so greatly appreciated. Kind regards Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@ancestry24.co.za> To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Trying to trace - FULLER - HENRY ERNEST - BORN 28 SEPTEMBER 1888, PUTNEY, ENGLAND, UK > Hi Diana > I recall someone awhile ago enquiring about this exact same family. > There is no record in the archives except for this couple adopting a > child. Unfortunately these records are not open to the public at all. > No death notice in the archives for either which might mean the left > the country > > > DEPOT KAB > SOURCE 1/PEZ > TYPE LEERS > VOLUME_NO 2 > SYSTEM 01 > REFERENCE 26/2/71 > PART 1 > DESCRIPTION CHILDREN'S ADOPTION ACT. EVANS, AGNES HOPE. ADOPTING > PARENTS: > FULLER, HENRY AND ETHEL. > STARTING 1926 > ENDING 1926 > > > Do you not have a address for them in South Africa? > Regards > Heather > > Heather MacAlister > Channel Manager Ancestry24 > 5th Floor, 11 Adderley Street > Cape Town > 8001 > http://.ancestry24.com > Skype: ancestry24 > > > > On 09 Sep 2012, at 13:11, "Diana McCarthy" > <diana.mccarthy1@ntlworld.com<mailto:diana.mccarthy1@ntlworld.com>> wrote: > > I wonder if anyone could help me or point me in the right direction! > > I live in England, UK & I am trying to assist my Uncle who is now in > his 87th year, to trace what happened to his Uncle, who we believe > emigrated to South Africa in the early nineteen hundreds. > > We know he served in the South African Army in the First World War, > and any information regarding his life would be so greatly appreciated. > > The details we have are as follows: > > > Name: Henry Ernest Fuller > > Birth: 28 September 1888 > > Location: Putney, Surrey, England > > Parents: William Henry Fuller and Rosa Jane (nee Maunders) > > Military: Joined the South African Army in the First World War > > > My Uncle seems to remember his father telling him that Henry Ernest > and his wife adopted a child - possibly a daughter. > > > We know that he was 'Single' and still living in England with his > Parents & Siblings from the '1911 England & Wales Census.' > > > Taken from the 'UK Incoming Passenger Lists' of 28 April 1922 and the > 'Passenger Lists leaving the UK' of the 13 September 1922 we have > found this additional information: > > > Occupation: Commercial Traveller for 'Prices (SA) Ltd' Candle Makers. > > Wife: Ethel Maude ( Fuller ) > > > We can find no trace of his marriage in the UK and wondered if this > took place in South Africa sometime between 1911 -1922. What > nationality was Ethel Maude and did he meet her sometime during the First World War? > > > We have also found out that in 1910,'Prices Candles' acquired its > first overseas factory in Johannesburg and by 1915 the company owned > six factories in South Africa, Shanghai and Chile. The Company then > went on to construct factories in Rhodesia, Morocco, Pakistan, New > Zealand and Sri Lanka. > > > My Uncle has been an avid genealogist for well over forty years now > and the hundreds of names that appear on his family tree are quite > astonishing ! There were no computers when he started and the amount > of hard work that went into producing his tree is amazing. I would > love to tell him what happened to his Uncle Henry so that he could > complete that side of his family tree. > > > Thank you so very much. > > Kind regards > > Diana > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-T > OWN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5257 - Release Date: > 09/08/12 > > This email and its contents are subject to an email legal notice that > can be viewed at: http://www.naspers.com/email/disclaimer.html Should > you be unable to access the link provided, please email us for a copy > at csc@optinet.net Hierdie e-pos en sy inhoud is onderhewig aan 'n > regskennisgewing oor elektroniese pos wat gelees kan word by > http://www.naspers.com/epos/vrywaring.html 'n Afskrif kan aangevra > word by csc@optinet.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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