Hi Heather Thank you so very much for all the information. I am going to investigate further and will let you know of any further developments ! Once again, a huge thank you for all your help. Kind regards Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@ancestry24.co.za> To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Trying to trace - FULLER -HENRY ERNEST - BORN 28 SEPTEMBER 1888, PUTNEY, ENGLAND, UK > Hello Diana > Thank you so much for your email. It's only a pleasure - I am here to > help. > The Cape Town archives only holds records for the Cape Province. So if > someone died in Durban then their records would be at the Pietermaritzburg > Archives. > > If Henry was in the South African Army then you would need to contact > Department of Defence Archives > > To obtain access to this information, the members written permission is > required, or if he/she is deceased, that of his/her next-of-kin. You are > thus requested to submit the following documentation in order for your > enquiry to proceed: > > a). A certified copy of the requester’s identity document or passport. > > b). A signed letter of permission from the member, if passed away. > > c). A certified death certificate of member, if passed away > > It the member has passed away, a signed letter of permission must be > obtained from a living blood relative including proof of the > identification. > > The approximately 3 million personnel records in the Department of Defence > Archives are indexed according to a specific convention. You are therefore > requested to provide the Documentation Centre with as much detail as > possible regarding the person you are seeking information on. > The following are guidelines: > > a. Force number > > b. Date of assumption of military service > > c. Date of discharge from military service > > d. Regiment/unit where the person served > > e. Name and address of next-of-kin at the time of his attestation > > Upon receipt of the required documentation, the matter will receive > further attention. > > This law now falls under the new Access to Information Act (Act 2 of > 2000), certain restrictions have been placed upon the release of > information to third parties. > Obtaining Military Documents > > Address: > > Street: Documentation Centre of the SANDF > > Department of Defence > > Private Bag X289 > > PRETORIA > > 0001 > > Tel: +27 (012) 322 6350 > > Fax: +27 (011) 322 6360 > > Email here > > Contact: Miss Louise Jooste > > South African servicemen’s records from the Army, Navy and Air Force are > held in these archives. Copies of service records can be obtained if a > written application is made. > Access: > > Accessibility is in accordance with the National Archives of South Africa > Act (Act No. 43 of 1996) and in the case of classified documentation > accessibility is subject to approval of the Chief of Defence Intelligence > of the Department of Defence. > Brief history: > > The Department of Defence Archives was established as the SA Defence Force > (SADF) Archives on 14 May 1968 following the approval by the Minister of > Education of a separate military archives. Prior to this date an > organisation for the preservation of the archives of the SADF Archives and > its predecessor, the Union Defence Force, did exist but it had no legal > status. The SADF Archives had a twofold function, namely to preserve the > military archives and to undertake military historical research and > history writing. It was therefore decided to rename it the Military > Historical and Archival Service (MHAS). > > In response to the SADF’s requirements, the MHAS gradually developed into > a documentation service and this resulted in another change of the name in > October 1972. The organisation then became known as the Central > Documentation Service. Sweeping changes to the SADF in 1974 resulted in > the reference library service, including the Central Library, being > integrated into the Central Documentation Service. This led to a change in > the status of the organisation. On 1 February 1975 it became a directorate > and was designated the Documentation Service Directorate. In 1982 the > directorate’s functions were augmented considerably when the SADF’s > museums and ethnology service were added to it. Its function then > comprised the preservation and management of records and archives; > research and history writing; the reference library service; the museum > service; and the ethnology service. The organisation was named the > Military Information Bureau. > > Regrettably the Military Information Bureau was disestablished on 31 > December 1986 and some of its functions were decentralized to the arms of > service. Fortunately the nucleus, namely the SADF Archives and the > Military History Section as well as the Central Library, was retained as > the SADF Archives. Early in 1991 the SADF’s personnel records were added > to the SADF Archives. This warranted the re-instatement of an organisation > with directorate status and the SADF Archives became part of Documentation > Service Directorate. Following the election in 1994, the South African > National Defence Force (SANDF) was established through the integration of > the former statutory and non-statutory forces. On 1 April 1999 the name > and status of this organisation was once again changed to bring the > organisation in line with the transformation process, it is now known as > the Documentation Centre. The Documentation Centre continued its functions > and its archival service section, now known as t! > he Department of Defence Archives, is still the official custodian of the > documentation of the Department of Defence, the SANDF and its predecessors > dating from 1912. > Acquisitions policy: > > Documentation Centre (Department of Defence Archive) is the custodian of > the archives of the Department of Defence/SANDF since its inception in > 1912 as the Union Defence Force. All records of offices of the Department > of Defence are transferred to the Department of Defence Archives when they > are ten years old or older. > > Areas of specialisation: The Department of Defence Archives specializes in > military history. It houses the official records of the Department of > Defence as well as a collection of unique publications, unit history > files, photographs, maps and pamphlets pertaining to the Department of > Defence/SANDF and its predecessors dating from 1912. The Personnel > Archives and Reserves (PAR) which also forms part of Documentation Centre, > houses the personnel records of all former members of the SANDF and its > predecessors. These personnel files are invaluable as a source for > biographical details. Documentation Centre is also in possession of a > collection of files pertaining to the Anglo-Boer War (1899-1902). It > consists of applications by members of the South African Republican Forces > during the 1920′s for the following medals: the “Dekoratie voor Trouwe > Dienst Anglo-Boereoorlog”, the “De Zuidafrikaanse Republiek en Oranje > Vrijstaat Oorlogsmedalje” and the “Lint voor Verwonding ! > opgedaan gedurende de Anglo-Boereoorlog”. > Core holdings: > > The Documentation Centre currently houses approximately two million files > consisting of 1 607 different archival groups and approximately 250 680 > personnel files. The most frequently consulted archival groups are as > follows: Adjutant General. Chief of the General Staff. Commandant General. > Director General Air Force. Divisional Documents. Naval Ships Logs. Chief > of the Navy Ships Logs. Quartermaster General. Secretary for Defence. > Union War Histories. Various War Diaries for the First and Second World > Wars. > Finding aids: > > The main finding aids used at Documentation Centre comprise of the List of > Archives, inventories, indexes and a computer retrieval system. The List > of Archives reflects the entire content of the repository. Information > such as the name of the archival group, abbreviation, the extent of the > group in terms of archive boxes, the location and security classification > are provided. Inventories provide detailed information on the content of > each archival group. The items are described individually according to the > title of the file, the file reference, the dates and the box number. Card > indexes are available for the book, manuscript and map collections. > Approximately 120 000 documents are available on the computer retrieval > system of which about 48 000 are photographs. This represents only a small > portion of the total holdings. > > Kind regards > Heather > > Heather MacAlister > Channel Manager > E heather@ancestry24.co.za > T +27 (021) 406 4343 > > > F +27 (0)86 5810390 > Join us on Facebook > twitter.com/ancestry24 | Skype: ancestry24 > 5th Floor , 11 On Adderley, Adderley Str,Cape Town, 8001 | > ancestry24.co.za > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diana > McCarthy > Sent: 11 September 2012 03:38 PM > To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Trying to trace - FULLER - HENRY > ERNEST - BORN 28 SEPTEMBER 1888, PUTNEY, ENGLAND, UK > > Hi Heather > Thank you so very much for getting back to me so quickly, and, yes, it was > me who contacted you before ! I have been posting messages all over South > Africa in my attempt to trace dear old 'Uncle Henry', so please forgive me > for bothering you again ! > > However, thank you so much, I was absolutely thrilled to receive the > adoption news and perhaps this could start a new line of enquiry. > Would I be right in assuming that Henry and his wife Ethel must have had > South African citizenship in order to adopt in the country? > > Sadly, I have no idea as to where the Fullers lived but, as Henry worked > for Prices Candles,I had assumed that he lived near their offices at > 84-86 Carr Strret, Newtown, Johannesburg. However, I have just found out > that in 1909, Prices's Candles Ltd bought Burmeister Candle factory in > Cape Town and that the land and the buildings were sold in 1923 and a new > factory was built in Observatory. > > Do the Cape Town Archives - KAB- only hold documents for Cape Town and the > Western Cape or do their records include the whole of South Africa? If it > is the former then I presume that the Fullers must have lived somewhere in > the vacinity of Cape Town. > > If the Fullers had permanently left South Africa and either returned to > the UK or emigrated to another country, would there be some sort of record > held in South Africa and who could I approach for help? > > I realise I have no rank or serial number for Henry's military service in > the South African Army during WW1, but is there anyone you think I could > go to for some help in tracing his records? > > Once again Heather , a huge thank you for all your help - it is so greatly > appreciated. > > Kind regards > > Diana > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@ancestry24.co.za> > To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Trying to trace - FULLER - HENRY > ERNEST - BORN 28 SEPTEMBER 1888, PUTNEY, ENGLAND, UK > > >> Hi Diana >> I recall someone awhile ago enquiring about this exact same family. >> There is no record in the archives except for this couple adopting a >> child. Unfortunately these records are not open to the public at all. >> No death notice in the archives for either which might mean the left >> the country >> >> >> DEPOT KAB >> SOURCE 1/PEZ >> TYPE LEERS >> VOLUME_NO 2 >> SYSTEM 01 >> REFERENCE 26/2/71 >> PART 1 >> DESCRIPTION CHILDREN'S ADOPTION ACT. EVANS, AGNES HOPE. ADOPTING >> PARENTS: >> FULLER, HENRY AND ETHEL. >> STARTING 1926 >> ENDING 1926 >> >> >> Do you not have a address for them in South Africa? >> Regards >> Heather >> >> Heather MacAlister >> Channel Manager Ancestry24 >> 5th Floor, 11 Adderley Street >> Cape Town >> 8001 >> http://.ancestry24.com >> Skype: ancestry24 >> >> >> >> On 09 Sep 2012, at 13:11, "Diana McCarthy" >> <diana.mccarthy1@ntlworld.com<mailto:diana.mccarthy1@ntlworld.com>> >> wrote: >> >> I wonder if anyone could help me or point me in the right direction! >> >> I live in England, UK & I am trying to assist my Uncle who is now in >> his 87th year, to trace what happened to his Uncle, who we believe >> emigrated to South Africa in the early nineteen hundreds. >> >> We know he served in the South African Army in the First World War, >> and any information regarding his life would be so greatly appreciated. >> >> The details we have are as follows: >> >> >> Name: Henry Ernest Fuller >> >> Birth: 28 September 1888 >> >> Location: Putney, Surrey, England >> >> Parents: William Henry Fuller and Rosa Jane (nee Maunders) >> >> Military: Joined the South African Army in the First World War >> >> >> My Uncle seems to remember his father telling him that Henry Ernest >> and his wife adopted a child - possibly a daughter. >> >> >> We know that he was 'Single' and still living in England with his >> Parents & Siblings from the '1911 England & Wales Census.' >> >> >> Taken from the 'UK Incoming Passenger Lists' of 28 April 1922 and the >> 'Passenger Lists leaving the UK' of the 13 September 1922 we have >> found this additional information: >> >> >> Occupation: Commercial Traveller for 'Prices (SA) Ltd' Candle Makers. >> >> Wife: Ethel Maude ( Fuller ) >> >> >> We can find no trace of his marriage in the UK and wondered if this >> took place in South Africa sometime between 1911 -1922. What >> nationality was Ethel Maude and did he meet her sometime during the First >> World War? >> >> >> We have also found out that in 1910,'Prices Candles' acquired its >> first overseas factory in Johannesburg and by 1915 the company owned >> six factories in South Africa, Shanghai and Chile. The Company then >> went on to construct factories in Rhodesia, Morocco, Pakistan, New >> Zealand and Sri Lanka. >> >> >> My Uncle has been an avid genealogist for well over forty years now >> and the hundreds of names that appear on his family tree are quite >> astonishing ! There were no computers when he started and the amount >> of hard work that went into producing his tree is amazing. I would >> love to tell him what happened to his Uncle Henry so that he could >> complete that side of his family tree. >> >> >> Thank you so very much. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Diana >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-T >> OWN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> >> Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5257 - Release Date: >> 09/08/12 >> >> This email and its contents are subject to an email legal notice that >> can be viewed at: http://www.naspers.com/email/disclaimer.html Should >> you be unable to access the link provided, please email us for a copy >> at csc@optinet.net Hierdie e-pos en sy inhoud is onderhewig aan 'n >> regskennisgewing oor elektroniese pos wat gelees kan word by >> http://www.naspers.com/epos/vrywaring.html 'n Afskrif kan aangevra >> word by csc@optinet.net >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5261 - Release Date: 09/10/12 > N�zf���݊��{^����.n7����隊Y^��g�؜z�Z�Ƨm��{�j������0��ڲ����(���j)v+���z��iR���w*.m�i�^���q�,���y)���u���W���j)n��+i�)ɫ\���اz��z��z�by��ǧ�(������'u��{�i������G��+ > {���+zW���'����0j��笑��[�m���� > ���)z��r��z�,�������i��쒸����jx�����[����m�w��w� > >