Hi Becky Yes they do generally bung the whole lot together - I am sure nobody will mind if both lots are sent to the list. kind thanks Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Scribes Ink. Publishing - Unlocking the Past with South African Genealogy Books on CD www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky Horne" <beckyjh@telkomsa.net> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > Hi Heather > > At UPE they have condensed Government Gazettes for 1846 pertaining to liquor > licences. > > I looked through this briefly on my last visit to the library, but didn't > make any notes. I'm not very sure about this, but I vaguely recall mention > of the Albany district, which of course, would not be applicable to your > mailing list as it only deals with Cape Town and the surrounds. However, I > can have a look at this again should there be any interest. > > I cannot promise when this look-up can be done as UPE is very far from home > and my visits are limited to twice a month. > > Best wishes > Becky > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@genealogy.co.za> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > > > > Hello Maureen > > > > What an interesting story - only last week I came across a list of persons > > being given "licences" to sell liquor at establishments in the Southern > > Suburbs - this appeared in the 1870 Government Gazette but I cannot > remember > > which week it was. > > > > There is a James Farrell who also appears in Family Register of the South > > African Nation who arrived in 1820 from Ireland and married on 28/1/1821 > to > > Sara Eilh. Craayenstein van die Kaap in Cape Town. She died on 26/12/1831 > > aged 52 years 7 months and 29 days. He then married Susanna Louisa > HERTZOG > > in Wynberg on 7/8/1837. > > then > > FARRELL, William Joseph Henry born 27/11/1873 in Simonstown son of J.W. > > Farrell of Kenilworth. He married in 1908 to Maggie daughter of P.T.R. > > SCHABORT from Pretoria. > > There are 8 pages of FARRELL in SA Genealogies. > > > > hope this helps > > Heather > > > > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za > > Scribes Ink. Publishing - Unlocking the Past with South African Genealogy > > Books on CD www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html > > Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Maureen Brady" <mbrady@telkomsa.net> > > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:15 PM > > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > > > > > > > Hi Listers > > > > > > I've recently uncovered a whole family of FARRELLs who almost all have > > > "Hotel Proprietor" on their Death Notices, on one of which is noted > > Randalls > > > Hotel, Rondebosch, so I presume this may have been the name of their > > family > > > hotel > > > (but not necessarily). Any further info would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > The parents were James FARRELL and Ann (born BRADY). This James seems to > > be > > > the same James F listed under the Children's Friend Society in Esme > Bull's > > > book as: > > > > > > Farrell, James: apprenticed to DJ van der Merwe, Wellington, absconded > > > ("Zuid-Afrikaan", 18.11.1842). > > > > > > His Death Notice (#873 filed 25 September 1874) doesn't give details > about > > > birthplace or parents but as he died age 45, this 'orphan' status plus > his > > > age are consistent, if he > > > was about 13 in 1842. He died at his residence in Papendorp (near the > > mouth > > > of the Olifants River a few hundred miles north up the West Coast) on 13 > > > August > > > 1868. His wife survived him by 29 years. She died in 1897 (DN 3185), > which > > > states she was born in Co Clare, Ireland, but no details of parents are > > > given. Although she was illiterate (signed James's DN with a cross) she > > > managed to leave "Landed property and furniture" when she died -- what's > > > more, the DN clearly states she held this property in her own name. I've > > > never seen this on a DN before, a note for the Executors of the > > pre-deceased > > > testator -- "No property or effects were accumulated in the lifetime of > > the > > > late James Farrell. All properties are registered in the name of the > > > deceased". Not bad for an illiterate Irish lass who probably started > from > > > the lowest of scratch, is it? > > > > > > Ann Farrell died at her own home at No 2 -- and this is where the first > > > problem sets in because the > > > handwriting on the DN is almost illegible -- Celeplon? Celepton? > Elepton? > > > Street [no suburb given], Cape Town. This name rings no bells in my old > CT > > > head, and the word itself makes no sense. > > > > > > ***LATER: got it! after analysing the handwriting against other > individual > > > letter formations on the DN ... > > > > > > CLIFTON Street -- but there are FIVE (Roads, not Streets) in CT: > > Claremont, > > > Clifton, Mowbray, Muizenberg, Wynberg > > > > > > On the father's DN, the children are listed as: > > > > > > Anne (must have predeceased her mother or died young) > > > Margaret > > > James > > > ?Mary > > > John > > > Ellen > > > Bridget (predeceased her mother in 1893) > > > Michael > > > > > > On the mother's DN, they are: > > > > > > Margarent MACON (later DOYLE) > > > James > > > Mary GREEN > > > John > > > Ellen VAS > > > Michael > > > > > > For the children, I have found the following three DNs: > > > > > > James (#3125) 1901, retired, unmarried, died at Randalls Hotel, > Rondebosch > > > Bridget (#694) 1893, hotel proprietor, unmarried, died at Muizenberg > > > Michael (#2799) 1912, hotel proprietor, married Henrietta CHRISTIANI > > (sounds > > > Italian), died > > > at 'Kelso', Kenilworth (another interesting clue) > > > four children, all minors: > > > Susan Doris > > > Hilda Ann > > > Michael Dudley > > > Horace Stephen > > > > > > Also one for Margaret DOYLE who signed her sister Bridget's DN. Margaret > > > died 1910, possibly abandoned by her still-living spouse, alone in the > Old > > > Somerset Hospital, because her DN seems to be signed by a surgeon. > > > > > > There's a coherent family story locked up in these bare facts. > References > > > from street directories, voters rolls, contemporary newspapers anyone > > might > > > have access to will be very welcome -- even more so would be discovering > > > someone with these people in their more immediate tree -- I think we > could > > > usefully trade branches and stories. 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