Afternoon all Just a small tip when sending somebody information on an individual or same surname interest always send the spouse and if possible all the descendants information as well. I have just had a major break through with a chap in Joburg. Him and I were both convinced are related to each other because of the common occurrence of a odd name but could not put our fingers on the trigger. Last night he phoned my to say that he look in his 3 x great grandfathers bible and found my 2 x great great grandfathers name listed as nephew - the both had different surnames. And that was just by off chance sending some - sort of related information. cheers Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Scribes Ink. Publishing - South African Genealogy on CD www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm