Hi Chandre, Also can't help unfortunately, and I don't want to raise false hopes (as there must have been loads of Clarkes form UK), but noting that your grandmother's second name was Young (possibly passed down from her mother or another ancestor - do you know?), I thought the following entry in Peter Philip's 'British Residents at the Cape 1795-1819' was worth quoting: YOUNG, William, master mariner. Arrived Table Bay 20.1.13 ex St Helena. 2.2.13 marriage of William Young, master of English merchantman 'Bonetta' of London, aged 23, and Catherine CLARKE of Portsmouth, aged 23. As master of 'Bonetta' he also arrived Table Bay 27.4.13 ex St Helena. As master of 'Brilliant' he arrived Table Bay ex Spithead on 17.6.15; ex Downs 26.6.16, 4.6.17, 3.8.18; ex Torbay 3.7.19. On 10.12.20 in English Church their twin daughters, Mary and Ann were baptised. On 31.7.21 permission to leave the colony for London in the 'William' was granted to the family. (the master of the 'William' was Capt RF Young). As I say, I don't want to raise any false hopes - there are 14 other YOUNGs (mainly soldiers) listed in this book and 16 CLARK(E)s - but what stands out that there may be a connection between these particular CLARK(E) and YOUNG families. The entry for CLARK, Andrew, single says he was a Moodie settler (Moodie was a Scotsman who brought out a group of artisans before the 1820 settlers) who arrived on the 'Brilliant' ex Downs on 4.6.17 (note this is the same ship which Young captained), requested permission to remain in the colony on 6.6.17. On 28.6.17 he and Thomas Spence opened a turner, cabinetmaker and joiner's shop at 38 Long Street. There is also a George YOUNG, Moodie settler, who arrived at the Cape with his wife, asked permission to remain in the colony on 30.3.18 under indenture to Moodie. On 31.5.18 their son George was baptised. On 26.5.48 he was witness to the will of William Young (if this was the above William Young - possibly a brother - it indicates he came back to the Cape after leaving in 1821). The point I am trying to make is that families of a feather did tend to flock together and cousins often married cousins etc, so it's not impossible that, if they were connected to start off with, there were more marriages down the line in these two families. That said, there are no less than 11 CLARK(E)s and 3 YOUNGs under the 1820 settler parties, not to mention all those that came out later - oh, another possibility: many families of those already here came out under subsidised joint emigration schemes in the 1850s. (Esme Bull's 'Aided Emigration to the Cape' lists many families who came out in this way.) It probably won't help you at this stage, as you'll need to work from yourself backwards, but,as one of the listers said, us genies are like dogs with a bone! Would be most interested to hear if it does though, and if anyone else has any more info on the above. Please shout if you would like any more look-ups from this book - or any help at all, Hang in there Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elva Hanly" <theaviary@bigpond.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:47 AM Subject: Re:[South-Africa-Cape-Town] Hi from new member to this list. > Hi Chandre and a warm welcome to the List. > > I am unable to help with your CLARK-CLARKE surname interest. However, > you may want to post your other family names as well. For instance, your > other grandmother's maiden, spouse and married name, dates as well. > > I am originally from the Wynberg district, in fact I left 40 years ago > and have taken on the job of searching for my families. > The families I am working on right now are: > SMITH - Nicolas and Caroline (Wynberg) - born about 1820's > LODEWYK/S - Frederick and Charlotte (Wynberg) - born about 1845-1847 > CLAYTON - Johnannes Jacobus and Spasie Katrina ( Paarl) - born about > 1850's > FORTUNE - Arthur and Maria (Paarl) - born about mid-late 1870's > > Besides searching for ancestors, this List is a great way of learning > about History, Culture and Family Traditions etc. > > All the best with your search, > > Elva > Australia > > > X-Message: #1 > > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:06:15 +0200 > > From: Chandre De Wet <chandre@tsf.org.za> > > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > > Message-Id: <1092650775.23403.36.camel@server.ltsp> > > Subject: Hi from new member to this list. > > Content-Type: text/plain > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > Hi there, I am Chandre De Wet, from the northern suburbs of Cape Town, > > and I am interested in tracking down my family roots, although this is > > now a bit overdue, as my gran(my main source of info) died in January > > this year... As an introductory e-mail I will put down all I know, but I > > can possibly get more info from my mother and aunts. > > > > My grandmother (Anne Young Clarke) was a coloured woman born in 1922,I > > think near Kakamus, Upington area. Although she has spent many years in > > Franschoek and Strand. Her grandfather was one of 2 white brothers from > > England,and His name was Jesse Clark. His brother married white, while > > he married a "baster vrou" as she put it... ( i am not too sure if the > > surname is Clarke or Clark). > > > > We do have a photograph of him, and a painting too,although no > > information is written on it. > > > > Hope you guys can help me. > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Cape Town Family History Society > www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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