Hello Sharon, thank you very much for your helpful reply and I will give it a try. I know when and where my grandfather Eatwell was born down there, I would now like to try to contact family. The horse trainer mentioned in an earlier chat must be family for he could be a twin to my father, in any likely hood he was my grandfathers 1st cousin, as I understand that my grandfather was the youngest of 8 children, when he was young his parents died and he was raised by a family by the name of Kelly. So I will work at it, and some day I will find someone who can aquaint me with family there I am sure. Again thanks and have a successful New Year. Mary in the Pacific NW > > From: "Sharon Warr" <snw@absamail.co.za> > Date: 2006/01/02 Mon PM 01:49:55 EST > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] SLEIGH Family of Cape Town, South Africa > > Hi Mary > Yes - a bit of a dilemma but I still think you will get more 'action' > through the embassy than trying to do it from this end. There are 91 hits on > the Archives database for the surname Eatwell - it might be worth your while > to take a look if you have not already done so. The address is > http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300gi?20030327232048F2B0C8C1%26DB%3DKABE > Regards > Sharon > > > South African Genealogy - Lots of links, passenger lists, Immigrants and > more - www.sagenealogy.co.za > Scribes Publishing - South African historical resources on CD > www.sagenealogy.co.za/scribes.htm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <maryeatwell@charter.net> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] SLEIGH Family of Cape Town, South > Africa > > > > Hello Sharon, yes applying at an embassy would be alright, but what if it > > is out of your reach? I live in Oregon USA and the nearest embassy in 900 > > miles south to Los Angles California. I did call them and got a ho-hum, so > > I am still stuck with word of mouth about my grandfather. Grandfather > > Eatwell left Cape Town 1906, and we have no records. I am hoping to come > > in contact with a cousin down there as our last name is very common around > > that area. I did get in touch with a lady who was born there and now lives > > in UK, through her gracious help, I did get some information, but nothing > > yet on our direct lineage, good luck and maybe someday it too will be > > online, Mary Eatwell in Pacific NW > >> > >> From: "Sharon Warr" <snw@absamail.co.za> > >> Date: 2006/01/02 Mon AM 02:56:31 EST > >> To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] SLEIGH Family of Cape Town, South > >> Africa > >> > >> Hello Gary and Listers > >> Civil Registration of Births and Deaths was not official in the Western > >> Cape until 1895 and then it took some time for the law to be enforced. > >> Marriage records were kept from 1700 but mostly by churches - there is an > >> index of special licence marriages in the Cape Town Archives which might > >> reveal something but otherwise unless you know their religious > >> affiliation > >> it might be difficult to find out more. Likewise birth details prior to > >> civil registration are difficult to find unless you know which > >> denomination > >> religion they were. > >> As far as getting records from the Government (The Department of Home > >> Affairs) here is concerned - it is not so much a question of the > >> Government > >> having a 'tight hold on their records' - it is more a question of a > >> serious > >> problem with service delivery!!!. Because of various factors such as > >> staff > >> shortages or a complete lack of administrative co-ordination, requests > >> for > >> certificates often fall through the cracks. It is a source of massive > >> frustration not only to researchers but to the ordinary person in the > >> street > >> applying for identity documents etc. (you only have to look at a recent > >> incident where a 20 year old young man held a Home Affairs official > >> hostage, > >> hoping to get some attention to his problem because he had waited for 2 > >> years for an Identity Document resulting in applications for jobs, > >> drivers > >> licence etc.etc. being turned down. The frustration is shared by > >> millions). > >> All I can suggest is that your request for certificates should be > >> followed > >> up regularly and if you are lucky enough to make contact with someone in > >> the > >> Department, get their names and a direct office number so that you can > >> follow up directly with them instead of a nameless, faceless entity. I > >> think your best chance would be to apply through a South African Embassy > >> if > >> you are living outside of South Africa -you will probably get more > >> attention > >> that way. Good luck! > >> Regards > >> Sharon Warr > >> > >> South African Genealogy - Lots of links, passenger lists, Immigrants and > >> more - www.sagenealogy.co.za > >> Scribes Publishing - South African historical resources on CD > >> www.sagenealogy.co.za/scribes.htm > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <maryeatwell@charter.net> > >> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 6:27 PM > >> Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] SLEIGH Family of Cape Town, South > >> Africa > >> > >> > >> > Hello Gary, good morning and Happy New Year. > >> > To start with my experience with trying to do research in SA was a > >> > bumpy > >> > road to say none the least. My paternal grandfather, Theodore Henry > >> > Eatwell, came from Cape Town SA. Well I thought that like everywhere > >> > else > >> > it wouldn't be that hard, much to my surprise oh my! The government > >> > there > >> > has a tight hold on their records. I was told I would have to make > >> > application through the nearest SA Embassy here. So I put a request on > >> > a > >> > 'free geneaology board' here and a lady, who is a researcher and who > >> > was > >> > born there, anwered. She helped me a great deal, but if you want those > >> > certificates, that's different. You will have to hire a professional > >> > researcher at $20.00 US dollars an hour. But if you know the church > >> > that > >> > maybe your ancestor was baptized, you may apply direct for a copy. So > >> > do > >> > let me know how you do, and I will help on this end if I can. Happy > >> > Holiday Mary Eatwell in the Pacific NW USA > >> >> > >> >> From: valdennis@optusnet.com.au > >> >> Date: 2006/01/01 Sun AM 06:32:25 EST > >> >> To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > >> >> Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] SLEIGH Family of Cape Town, South > >> >> Africa > >> >> > >> >> Happy New Year to all subscribers. > >> >> I am researching the Sleigh Family who lived in South Africa in the > >> >> 1800's. > >> >> My Great Grandmother was Johanna Catherine Sleigh born 8 Nov 1883 in > >> >> Cape > >> >> Town. She married William Dutfield in 1904 then later moved to > >> >> Australia. > >> >> Johanna's parents were Francis Sleigh and Susan ? and her four > >> >> siblings > >> >> were Daniel, Francis, Caroline and Susan(nah)? > >> >> Could some one please let me know how to locate official birth, death > >> >> and > >> >> marriage records within South Africa. > >> >> Would love to hear from anyone researching this family. > >> >> Regards, Garry Dennis, Sydney, Australia. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > >> >> South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books > >> >> www.sagenealogy.co.za > >> >> > >> >> ============================== > >> >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > >> >> the > >> >> areas they lived. 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