Hi Pat, It's terrible when one gets old and only feint memories remain. You might have to do a google to find out the equivalent of 'rood' but I seem to remember that it was so many 'Cape feet' which were bigger that 'English feet'. Loop Street still exists and is a main road parallel to and one up towards Signal Hill from Long Street. It has now become very commercial. Buitenkant Street still exists and is where I grew up as a child. I am not sure exactly where the Grove was but if it was between Buitenkant and Hope Streets then it would have been either in Glynn, Wesley or Roodehek (starting from Roeland Street and working towards TM. Below Wesley in Buitenkant is Rust-en-Vreugd. There is another old manor house in Delft Street off Roeland that is still there but I doubt if it is the one referred to. I cannot remember any large houses in Glynn Street at all. In Wesley Street closer to Hope than Buitenkant was a large old house which had a dairy depot behind it in the 1940s/50s. This closed down in the late 50s/60s and I think that the house was demolished some time after that. In Roodehek there were three possibilities, one on the SW corner with Buitenkant which was at one stage a fish processing factory! And then next door to it a large house, and I am now trying to recall some 45 to 50 years ago, which may have been called the Grove and next door to it another large house. They were both demolished in the late 1950s very early 1960s within a few years of each other and commercial buildings erected. I cannot find Amandelboom and Sutherland at any appropriate places on today's maps but if you remember there was a Roggebaai down near where the Foreshore now is. Not having thought about these things for some time the recollections are a little hazy. What I can do for you if you want it is to photograph a map of central CT and send it to you. Regards, David B -----Original Message----- From: patfryk [mailto:patfryk@clear.net.nz] Sent: 20 July 2005 08:11 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Buitenkant, Loop street etc. This description of properties is from an insolvency account Cape Town 1860-64. "House and premises Loop St Blok 1 8 & 9 marked 98 17 sq rd,83 Sq ft,96 sq inches." "3 lots 9.10.11 of divided estate The Grove situated Buitenkant. 44 Sq rd 76 sq ft." "Freehold land between the Grove and a new Street joining Hope street in the Buitenkant 12 Sq rd" "Amendelboom, Sutherland." Could someone please tell me:- 1. Loop street still exists (or did in the 1930s) Does the Blok1 and those numbers give any clue about just where this proerty might be in today's map? 2.What and where was "The Grove" 3. Was Buitenkant then a 'suburb' ? I recall a Buitenkant street. 4. I cannot for the life of me remember my area tables (never could) the Sq roods etc.. .Approximately what size in today's terms. 5. And where is Amandelboom and Sutherland (there is a feint word Rogger? between these two names.) I realise that over 150 years Cape Town may have changed a bit, but a rough idea will help me fix the place! Many thanks Pat ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books www.sagenealogy.co.za ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx