Hello Pat Loop Street still does exist and has been around since the early 1800's and is found listed in the 1817 African Court Calendar with the inhabitants of Cape Town Rood: 1 morgen = 600 sq roods which = 2,116 acres Amandelboom Street still exists and is off Keurom Street Hope this helps Kind regards Heather Heather MacAlister Web Site Manager for: www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za E-Centre 46 Hof Street Gardens 8001 Cape Town SOUTH AFRICA Tel: +27-21-481-8316 Fax: +27-21-481-8333 -----Original Message----- From: patfryk [mailto:patfryk@clear.net.nz] Sent: 20 July 2005 08:11 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Buitenkant, Loop street etc. This description of properties is from an insolvency account Cape Town 1860-64. "House and premises Loop St Blok 1 8 & 9 marked 98 17 sq rd,83 Sq ft,96 sq inches." "3 lots 9.10.11 of divided estate The Grove situated Buitenkant. 44 Sq rd 76 sq ft." "Freehold land between the Grove and a new Street joining Hope street in the Buitenkant 12 Sq rd" "Amendelboom, Sutherland." Could someone please tell me:- 1. Loop street still exists (or did in the 1930s) Does the Blok1 and those numbers give any clue about just where this proerty might be in today's map? 2.What and where was "The Grove" 3. Was Buitenkant then a 'suburb' ? I recall a Buitenkant street. 4. I cannot for the life of me remember my area tables (never could) the Sq roods etc.. .Approximately what size in today's terms. 5. And where is Amandelboom and Sutherland (there is a feint word Rogger? between these two names.) I realise that over 150 years Cape Town may have changed a bit, but a rough idea will help me fix the place! Many thanks Pat ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books www.sagenealogy.co.za ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi Heather, Where off Keerom Street as it is not on my Map Studio map? Only Green, Keerom Lane, Bloem, Venken, Leeuwen and Dorp are listed. Regards, David B -----Original Message----- From: Heather MacAlister - LearningOnline [mailto:Heather@learningonline.co.za] Sent: 21 July 2005 06:50 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Buitenkant, Loop street etc. Hello Pat Loop Street still does exist and has been around since the early 1800's and is found listed in the 1817 African Court Calendar with the inhabitants of Cape Town Rood: 1 morgen = 600 sq roods which = 2,116 acres Amandelboom Street still exists and is off Keurom Street Hope this helps Kind regards Heather Heather MacAlister Web Site Manager for: www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za

Rudolph Botha answered this for me Amadelboom and Sutherland are in the Karoo Roggeveld area. A mission station was there and now it is on a tourist route. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "David and Mary Bossenger" <dmbza@telkomsa.net> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 5:10 AM Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Buitenkant, Loop street etc. > Hi Heather, > Where off Keerom Street as it is not on my Map Studio map? Only Green, > Keerom Lane, Bloem, Venken, Leeuwen and Dorp are listed. > Regards, > David B > > -----Original Message----- > From: Heather MacAlister - LearningOnline > [mailto:Heather@learningonline.co.za] > Sent: 21 July 2005 06:50 AM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Buitenkant, Loop street etc. > > Hello Pat > > Loop Street still does exist and has been around since the early 1800's > and is found listed in the 1817 African Court Calendar with the > inhabitants of Cape Town > > Rood: 1 morgen = 600 sq roods which = 2,116 acres > > Amandelboom Street still exists and is off Keurom Street > > Hope this helps > Kind regards > Heather > > > Heather MacAlister > Web Site Manager for: > www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books > www.sagenealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/52 - Release Date: 19/07/2005 > >

Yes indeed Heather. It does help a lot. In 1860 I guess then that Amandelboom would have been a bit countrified? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather MacAlister - LearningOnline" <Heather@learningonline.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Buitenkant, Loop street etc. > Hello Pat > > Loop Street still does exist and has been around since the early 1800's > and is found listed in the 1817 African Court Calendar with the > inhabitants of Cape Town > > Rood: 1 morgen = 600 sq roods which = 2,116 acres > > Amandelboom Street still exists and is off Keurom Street > > Hope this helps > Kind regards > Heather > > > Heather MacAlister > Web Site Manager for: > www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za > > E-Centre > 46 Hof Street > Gardens > 8001 > Cape Town > SOUTH AFRICA > > Tel: +27-21-481-8316 > Fax: +27-21-481-8333 > > -----Original Message----- > From: patfryk [mailto:patfryk@clear.net.nz] > Sent: 20 July 2005 08:11 PM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Buitenkant, Loop street etc. > > This description of properties is from an insolvency account Cape Town > 1860-64. > > "House and premises Loop St Blok 1 8 & 9 marked 98 > 17 sq rd,83 Sq ft,96 sq inches." > > "3 lots 9.10.11 of divided estate The Grove situated Buitenkant. 44 Sq > rd 76 sq ft." > > "Freehold land between the Grove and a new Street joining Hope street in > the Buitenkant 12 Sq rd" > > "Amendelboom, Sutherland." > > Could someone please tell me:- > > 1. Loop street still exists (or did in the 1930s) Does the Blok1 and > those numbers give any clue about just where this proerty might be in > today's map? > > 2.What and where was "The Grove" > > 3. Was Buitenkant then a 'suburb' ? I recall a Buitenkant street. > > 4. I cannot for the life of me remember my area tables (never could) the > Sq roods etc.. .Approximately what size in today's terms. > > 5. And where is Amandelboom and Sutherland (there is a feint word > Rogger? between these two names.) > > I realise that over 150 years Cape Town may have changed a bit, but a > rough idea will help me fix the place! > Many thanks > Pat > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books > www.sagenealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books > www.sagenealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/52 - Release Date: 19/07/2005 > >