Morning everyone Slightly off this topic in a way, but does anyone have any idea where I can find details of the burial of Angela of Bengal or her daughter Anna de Koningh. Angela was a Slave bought in 1654 by van Riebeeck together with three children and Domingo of Bengal reputedly her husband at the time, she was later sold to van Riebeeck's deputy who freed Angela and her children when he left the Cape in 1666 - making Angela the third slave freed I believe. Angela married Arnoldus Willemsz Basson in 1669. She died c 1720. Her daughter Anna de Koningh (little other than the surname is known about Anna's father) married Oloff Bergh b 1643 in Sweden. They married in the Cape c 1678 and Oloff was already a wealthy Burgher by then, later owning the farm Contantia and other farms and properties in the Cape Colony and in the Heerengracht. Is there anyone else on the list descended from Angela of Bengal or anyone researching any of the associated families who can point me in the right direction re Angela or Anna's burial place. Regards Thelma Johannesburg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Foster, Coral A." <Coral.Anna.Foster@wwrc.virginia.gov> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:01 PM Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Fw: New slave grave >I totally concur. Is anyone trying to do anything about it? Are they >thinking of getting up petitions, or the like? > > I remember trundling around the old cemetery in Simonstown and coming > across the graves of Fillipino sailors and 2 graves of Russian sailors, > and the feeling I had aobut these men buried so far from their homelands, > also wondering if their kin ever knew what happened to them. There are > also some Filippino graves above Kalk Bay. > > Makes my heart sore when I think of the many unmarked graves over the > centuries in all parts. All those lost souls. > Coral Anna > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sharon Warr [mailto:snw@absamail.co.za] > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 4:40 PM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Fw: New slave grave > > > Hello Coral Anna and Sharon M > Thanks for your emails and yes the dig was most interesting. The idea of > an > Indiana Jones or a genteel archaeologist with little paint brushes and > trowels I am sure does exist, but the truth is - excavating is back > breaking > work and it requires stamina and dedication. What amazed me was the > enthusiasm of experienced volunteers together with younger post grad > students, all under the guidance of professional historians and > archaeologists, who braved rain, mud and sun to carefully go about their > work. And always with respect for what they were dealing with. > > The question of analysing the remains is a very emotional one and one must > always take into account other people's feelings on the subject, but I > tend > to agree with Sharon M. There would be a tremendous benefit to the > communities who claim ties with those buried in these sites, if it can be > established who really is buried there, where they came from and possibly > how they died. No living person can claim descendancy from anyone buried > in > any of these unmarked or mass sites unless DNA tests etc. are done. Taking > into account that people other than slaves were also buried there - people > who did not fall within the accepted religions of the time, paupers, > unknowns and foreigners to name a few - it would make an interesting > study. > The origins of the remains and the circumstances of their lives, revealed > by > forensic tests, could put more things in perspective than would otherwise > come to light through other means. The history of Cape Town and the > descendants of the slave population that contribited so much to it I think > would be the richer for it. I also think the idea of a heritage site is > one > that should definitely be pursued. > regards > Sharon > > > > South African Genealogy - Lots of links, passenger lists, Immigrants and > more - www.sagenealogy.co.za > Scribes Publishing - South African historical resources on CD > www.sagenealogy.co.za/scribes.htm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sharon marshall" <smarshall@absamail.co.za> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 5:32 PM > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Fw: New slave grave > > >> First Sharon speaking: if only we could get Unesco to budge SAHRA...they >> recently held an exhibition at the Slave Lodge on the Atlantic slave >> trade >> and I think it's been motivated that the Lodge be made a World Heritage >> site, so moves there are...along with the new TESPC project which will >> the >> transcription of slave and estate papers...just makes no sense that they >> wouldn't want to analyse the bones. I stand to correction, but I think >> they did once analyse a batch they found on the foreshore and because >> their teeth were cut to fine points they could tell they were from east >> Africa, which, along with other isotopic analysis, led them to the belief >> that they were from a slave ship which ran aground. So interesting! >> >> BTW, I made a special effort to visit the African Slave Burial ground in >> downtown Manhattan when I was in New York a couple of years ago, but it >> was before they'd put any memorials in place, so was a bit disappointed >> to >> be greeted by a patch of green grass. But I feel we really do need >> something similar here in SA, seeing as how much of Green Point below >> Somerset Road was a burial ground for anonymous slaves. I know the Tana >> Baru overlooking Somerset Road has a few old Muslim graves, but that, >> itself is a controversial issue as much of the land is privately owned >> (and very valuable, having such a great view of the bay). The graves that >> are there are overgrown, but it would make so much sense to make just a >> small portion of it an official resting place for slaves of all origins, >> I >> think. I also spotted a brass plaque on the highway - don't know how >> recently that was put there, but I didn't see any publicity about it. >> >> The there's the old slave tree, which has a plaque on a stump which you >> would step right over if you didn't know it was there...so much that >> could >> be done, so little interest because slavery is largely forgotten against >> the context of apartheid and marginalisation of indigenes...unlike the >> States where 'apartheid' was the imported slave issue... >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Foster, Coral A. >> To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 3:58 PM >> Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Fw: New slave grave >> >> >> Hello Other Sharon - thanks for info, now I can picture it. It must >> have >> been awesome. I think for that kind of thing, I would have loved to have >> been a forensic scientist. So many parts to the jigsaw puzzle that need >> to be put in place. The country of origin would be the most interesting >> for me. This is something that, of course, is major among the people >> researching slave heritage here in the states. >> from a beautifully gentle, blossom-filled spring day in the Shenandoah >> Valley of Virginia :O) >> Coral Anna >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sharon Warr [mailto:snw@absamail.co.za] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 9:31 AM >> To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Fw: New slave grave >> >> >> Hi Coral Anna >> The location of the first excavation was at Prestwich Street, Green >> Point. >> It is quite close to the other 'official' burial grounds off Somerset >> Road. >> Quite an amazing thing to see unfolding - spent a day on site and it was >> awesome. >> Regards >> Sharon Warr - the other Sharon :-) >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Foster, Coral A." <Coral.Anna.Foster@wwrc.virginia.gov> >> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:09 PM >> Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Fw: New slave grave >> >> >> > Thanks Sharon, how sad it all is. I missed the info about the >> exhumations >> > @ Green Point - what was the location in GP? I don't recall any >> > designated burial ground???? >> > >> > Would like to know what is finally decided about those placed in >> Somerset >> > Hospital, if you don't mind? >> > >> > Thanks much >> > Coral Anna >> >> >> >> ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== >> Cape Town Family History Society >> www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >> Learn >> more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> >> >> * CONFIDENTIALITY/PRIVACY NOTICE - The documents included in this >> transmission may contain information that is confidential and/or legally >> privileged. 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