According to J.D.F. Jones the author of "STORYTELLER" The many lives of Laurens van der Post, Eva (1643- 1674)married Pieter van Meerhoff at a state organised wedding and is a direct ancestor of Laurens van der Post (See page 84). The family register is setout in full at the beginning of the book. ----- Original Message ----- From: "sharon marshall" <smarshall@absamail.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Fw: New slave grave > I think Carol Anna's idea of initiating petition is a good one, especially now that DNA research is so much more progressed. I am off to Madagascar (from whence many of our slaves came and where Eva/Krotoa's husband, Pieter van Meerhof, was murdered on a slaving expedition in the mid-1600s) for 10 days (where incidentally they have a different 'bone' problem - thousands of ancestral bones have been stolen, and though they have no proof, it is thought they could have been used as a mystical cure for Aids), but on my return, am happy to do more in-depth research, contact the powers that be and set up a petition - I know plenty people who would sign. Any yeahs, nays or other ideas? > > Sharon M > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Heather MacAlister > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 5:52 AM > Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Fw: New slave grave > > > Morning all > > I agree with Sharon W about actually trying to identify these souls as this > would have an immense impact on the history and study on the background of > these people. We do know that there were outbreaks of all sorts of diseases > and the slaves were not the only affected people. So it would be nice to > actually know what the demise of those people were. > > I congratulate Antonia and their team for the hard work and dedication - > working on an archaeological dig like Prestwich Street was also an amazing > experience for me. > A heritage site is a must whatever the outcome may be > Not to say that I felt a real stiff the next day............ > kind regards > Heather > > > Visit South Africa's premier Genealogy + Family History Web sites : > www.familytree.co.za <http://www.familytree.co.za> + > www.ancestry.mweb.co.za <http://www.ancestry.mweb.co.za> > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sharon Warr [mailto:snw@absamail.co.za] > Sent: 04 May 2005 10:40 PM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Fw: New slave grave > > > Hello Coral Anna and Sharon M > Thanks for your emails and yes the dig was most interesting. The idea of an > Indiana Jones or a genteel archaeologist with little paint brushes and > trowels I am sure does exist, but the truth is - excavating is back breaking > work and it requires stamina and dedication. What amazed me was the > enthusiasm of experienced volunteers together with younger post grad > students, all under the guidance of professional historians and > archaeologists, who braved rain, mud and sun to carefully go about their > work. And always with respect for what they were dealing with. > > The question of analysing the remains is a very emotional one and one must > always take into account other people's feelings on the subject, but I tend > to agree with Sharon M. There would be a tremendous benefit to the > communities who claim ties with those buried in these sites, if it can be > established who really is buried there, where they came from and possibly > how they died. No living person can claim descendancy from anyone buried in > any of these unmarked or mass sites unless DNA tests etc. are done. Taking > into account that people other than slaves were also buried there - people > who did not fall within the accepted religions of the time, paupers, > unknowns and foreigners to name a few - it would make an interesting study. > The origins of the remains and the circumstances of their lives, revealed by > forensic tests, could put more things in perspective than would otherwise > come to light through other means. The history of Cape Town and the > descendants of the slave population that contribited so much to it I think > would be the richer for it. I also think the idea of a heritage site is one > that should definitely be pursued. > regards > Sharon > > > > South African Genealogy - Lots of links, passenger lists, Immigrants and > more - www.sagenealogy.co.za > Scribes Publishing - South African historical resources on CD > www.sagenealogy.co.za/scribes.htm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sharon marshall" <smarshall@absamail.co.za> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 5:32 PM > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Fw: New slave grave > > > > First Sharon speaking: if only we could get Unesco to budge SAHRA...they > > recently held an exhibition at the Slave Lodge on the Atlantic slave trade > > and I think it's been motivated that the Lodge be made a World Heritage > > site, so moves there are...along with the new TESPC project which will the > > transcription of slave and estate papers...just makes no sense that they > > wouldn't want to analyse the bones. I stand to correction, but I think > > they did once analyse a batch they found on the foreshore and because > > their teeth were cut to fine points they could tell they were from east > > Africa, which, along with other isotopic analysis, led them to the belief > > that they were from a slave ship which ran aground. So interesting! > > > > BTW, I made a special effort to visit the African Slave Burial ground in > > downtown Manhattan when I was in New York a couple of years ago, but it > > was before they'd put any memorials in place, so was a bit disappointed to > > be greeted by a patch of green grass. But I feel we really do need > > something similar here in SA, seeing as how much of Green Point below > > Somerset Road was a burial ground for anonymous slaves. I know the Tana > > Baru overlooking Somerset Road has a few old Muslim graves, but that, > > itself is a controversial issue as much of the land is privately owned > > (and very valuable, having such a great view of the bay). The graves that > > are there are overgrown, but it would make so much sense to make just a > > small portion of it an official resting place for slaves of all origins, I > > think. I also spotted a brass plaque on the highway - don't know how > > recently that was put there, but I didn't see any publicity about it. > > > > The there's the old slave tree, which has a plaque on a stump which you > > would step right over if you didn't know it was there...so much that could > > be done, so little interest because slavery is largely forgotten against > > the context of apartheid and marginalisation of indigenes...unlike the > > States where 'apartheid' was the imported slave issue... > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Foster, Coral A. > > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 3:58 PM > > Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Fw: New slave grave > > > > > > Hello Other Sharon - thanks for info, now I can picture it. It must have > > been awesome. I think for that kind of thing, I would have loved to have > > been a forensic scientist. So many parts to the jigsaw puzzle that need > > to be put in place. The country of origin would be the most interesting > > for me. This is something that, of course, is major among the people > > researching slave heritage here in the states. > > from a beautifully gentle, blossom-filled spring day in the Shenandoah > > Valley of Virginia :O) > > Coral Anna > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sharon Warr [mailto:snw@absamail.co.za] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 9:31 AM > > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Fw: New slave grave > > > > > > Hi Coral Anna > > The location of the first excavation was at Prestwich Street, Green > > Point. > > It is quite close to the other 'official' burial grounds off Somerset > > Road. > > Quite an amazing thing to see unfolding - spent a day on site and it was > > awesome. > > Regards > > Sharon Warr - the other Sharon :-) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Foster, Coral A." <Coral.Anna.Foster@wwrc.virginia.gov> > > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:09 PM > > Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Fw: New slave grave > > > > > > > Thanks Sharon, how sad it all is. 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Hi all, In response to John van Niekerk, Thelma Hurly, Anne Lehmkuhl & others' e-mails in the last few days, please take note of the following book concerning Eva-Krotoa & Pieter van Meerhoff's daughter: Pieternella. If anyone ever gets the opportunity to read Daleen Mathee's PIETERNELLA VAN DIE KAAP, will not just read a good piece of literature, but will be blown away by the magnitude of fact & years of research that went into collecting material for this historical story. The book chronicles Pieternella's early childhood at the Cape as well as her life & marriage in Mauritius & has numerous flashbacks to Eva-Krotoa. (Note: there are suggestions, in the book at least, that Pieternella may have been fathered by Van Riebeeck himself). Eva-Krotoa's other children (Jakobus & Solomon whom she had with Pieter van Meerhoff & Anthonie who was fathered after Van Meerhoff's death) are also described in the book. Other figures of the time who are mentioned in detail includes: MAIJKE VAN DEN BERG (banned to Mauritius); WILLEM VAN DEVENTER (banned as well for murder); BARTHOLOMEUS BORMS & his wife, THEUNTJIE VAN DER LINDE; HENDRIK LACUS & his wife, LYDIA DE PAAPE; and many more. Unfortunately for Englishspeaking listmembers this book is only available in Afrikaans. However, some of her other books were translated into English, so one never knows. Further, I am aware that the author received a government grant (from the National Arts Council) to research & write this book. Also, her years of research took her to the Netherlands, Mauritius & the Cape. A complete source list is found at the back of the book. For those interested in getting a copy of PIETERNELLA VAN DIE KAAP, it was published in 2000 by Tafelberg-Uitgewers (Tafelberg Publishers). ISBN 0 624 03784 3. Daleen Mathee is probably best known for FIELA SE KIND (Fiela's Child) & KRINGE IN 'N BOS (Circles in a Forest). Sadly, she passed away earlier this year. Hope this info will be of some help to somebody on the list. Regards, Estie Mortinson MORTENSEN / VAN DER WESTHUIZEN / WILSON / WILKEN(S) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John van Niekerk" <jfvn@iafrica.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Fw: New slave grave > According to J.D.F. Jones the author of "STORYTELLER" The many lives of > Laurens van der Post, Eva (1643- 1674)married Pieter van Meerhoff at a > state organised wedding and is a direct ancestor of Laurens van der Post > (See page 84). The family register is setout in full at the beginning of > the book.