Hi Margaret, I am descended from Robert PIRIE and his wife Mary 'Rachel' HORN who emigrated to the Cape of Good Hope with the 1820 Settlers.....I know that is before the time your grandfather went to South Africa. Robert PIRIE married twice more....before he emigrated to South Africa with Mary 'Rachel' HORN and although he had sons by both of these marriages they didn't survive. We don't know when his son Andrew died but Andrew's sister Margaret PIRIE did make the journey to the Cape with her father and step-mother but Andrew did not. We know that Robert PIRIE and Mary 'Rachel' HORN had a son called Robert who was born before the 26th December 1819 in England so must also have travelled to the Cape with his parents although he doesn't appear on the transport lists (he was only a few days old at the time of the sailing)....we know he grew to adulthood as he was responsible for saving the life of his step-father James RICHARDSON when he was attacked by a leopard on his farm..... This is recorded in the Lower Albany Chronicles: "2nd November 1843. John RICHARDSON has been attacked by a leopard while hunting it on his farm Thorn Hill. He brought it to the ground. He was rescued by Mr. PIRIE (his step-son) who killed the animal with his knife." Robert PIRIE Jnr. is also mentioned in his father's will. "......which I leave to my dear children Robert, Sarah Ann, Mary Ann and Elizabeth PIRIE at the death of their mother. Signed Robert PIRIE. We have no further knowledge of Robert PIRIE. If he married and had a daughter, she might well have been given the name Mary after his mother's first name. This Mary might well be the right age to have married your ancestor unfortunately I cannot confirm this. Unfortunately unless your ancestor was wealthy and travelled cabin class to South Africa he would not be mentioned on any of the arrival notices to be found in newspapers in the Cape....2nd and 3rd class passengers are merely recorded as a number, and are not recorded by name. Unfortunately the Cape didn't have good records of their immigrants (other than the few large parties who made it to the Cape or Natal). Perhaps if a link can be found between your Mary PIRIE and my PIRIE family we might find we are distantly related. Sorry I cannot be of more help. Best wishes, Tombi Peck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Marriott" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] John Francis George > Could anyone help me, My Grandfather was born in Wales 1866 and come over > to > south Africa I beleave when he was 42 he had 3 living children with Mary > Pirie and settled in Edenvale South Africa. He died on the 30th June 1946 > > He come over on his own , I only have his death certificate which states > his > age and where he was born. Iam trying to trace him back to Wales and the > ship he come here in > > Thanking you > > Margaret Marriott nee stack > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2926 - Release Date: 06/08/10 19:35:00