Dear All, I have come to that proverbial brick wall in my research and need some advice. My GG-Grandfather Louis Renze was born in Germany in about 1828, according to his Death Notice. His parents entry is not completed. He died on 1 January 1907 in Port Elizabeth and was married to Elizabeth Nucly / Nucely, who died on 14 December 1920 in Port Elizabeth. How do I go about finding out when he came to SA as I've searched ships passenger lists that are available, but with no luck. Also, I have some records for one of his daughters, Elizabeth Annie Frost (born Renze). She was born in about 1866. She married Stephen Josias Frost (born 10 January 1864) on 6 June 1885 in Cape of Good Hope. Stephen died on 27 June 1908. Any assistance / advice / direction will be highly appreciated. Kind regards, Walter Renze -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 12 January 2011 10:01 To: [email protected] Subject: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 11 Today's Topics: 1. George Nicholson 1821 (New Pip) 2. Re: George Nicholson 1821 (Marilyn Lilley) 3. Re: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 10 (James Cole-Rous) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:26:48 -0000 From: "New Pip" <[email protected]> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] George Nicholson 1821 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello, this is my first posting to the list. I do hope someone out there can help me. I am looking for George Nicholson (Esq), he was born about 1821 - I know not where, I cannot find any birth/Bap for him in England. From his marriage certificate I know that his father was also George, a Gentleman. I have found him on the 1841 census aged 20 living alone in Westminster, London an Apprentice Solicitor! He then gets married in Dec 1841 to Ellen Wilkes in Ware, Hertfordshire, England and is of full age and a Gentleman. Their 1st child Ellen Maria was born in 1844 Cape of Good Hope, What I would like to know is "When and how did they get there, where did they live there and is there a Baptism for Ellen"? They were obviously going backwards and forwards as the 2nd daughter Edith was born in England in 1847, so are there any passenger lists? In 1894 Edith travelled to New York on a ship called "Paris" she was 48. In 1900 aged 52 she is in Multnomah, Oregon. Seems she never got married and never came back.. The 3rd daughter Georgina, my Great Grandmother was also born in The Cape of Good Hope in 1850/1, someone kindly found me her Baptism which was in the Cathedral Church on 20th July 1851, abode Rondebosch, the witnesses were two females Anne and Maria Nicholson ............. are they sisters of George? On Georgina's marriage certificate in 1871 she states that her father George is a Solicitor, I can find no evidence of George living in England at any time since the 1841 census, there are none of the family anywhere here on the 51 census and by the 61 his wife and 3 daughters are with her mother and there they stay. No sign of George!! I hope I haven't been too long winded and that someone somewhere might just know something ............. anything. Thank you in anticipation, Diana ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:08:50 +0200 From: "Marilyn Lilley" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] George Nicholson 1821 To: "New Pip" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Diana, Seems you may be in luck, there appear to be several related family members on these sites below, and also look up under the other surnames and names that appear on these documents. You may need to get copies of these documents - you could use a SA researcher, I have used one very sucessfuly to get copies of documents and do some further reseach, rates per hour are very good. There were no formal record of all passengers arriving by ship in Cape Town until late 1800's. Many passengers are listed, but certainly not all.The only record would be in England as they kept records of people embarking on ships there. Try the SA website Ancestry24 http://ancestry24.com/ There are several references here that you would find interesting, click on each name for more info. Also look at the witnesses names for baptisms and marriages, one Elizabeth Ellen, seems that the name Ellen was passed down as this name appears a few times where there is a Nicholson. http://ancestry24.com/?group=on&s=search&srchSurname=Nicholson&srchName= George&submit=%C2%A0Ellen Nicholson -http://ancestry24.com/?group=on&s=search&srchName=+Ellen&srchSurname=Ni cholson&searchTab=DataRecordsNAAIRS - a lot of referenceshttp://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300dlhttp:/ /www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300dr?201101111931442024310 2Good luck!Marilyn----- Original Message -----From: "New Pip" <[email protected]>To: <[email protected]>Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 6:26 PMSubject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] George Nicholson 1821> Hello, this is my first posting to the list. I do hope someone out therecan help me.>> I am looking for George Nicholson (Esq), he was born about 1821 - I knownot where, I cannot find any birth/Bap for him in England. From his marriagecertificate I know that his father was also George, a Gentleman.>> I have found him on the 1841 census aged 20 living alone in Westminster,London an Apprenti! ce Solicitor! He then gets married in Dec 1841 to EllenWilkes in Ware, Hertfordshire, England and is of full age and a Gentleman.>> Their 1st child Ellen Maria was born in 1844 Cape of Good Hope, What Iwould like to know is "When and how did they get there, where did they livethere and is there a Baptism for Ellen"? They were obviously going backwardsand forwards as the 2nd daughter Edith was born in England in 1847, so arethere any passenger lists? In 1894 Edith travelled to New York on a shipcalled "Paris" she was 48. In 1900 aged 52 she is in Multnomah, Oregon.Seems she never got married and never came back..>> The 3rd daughter Georgina, my Great Grandmother was also born in The Capeof Good Hope in 1850/1, someone kindly found me her Baptism which was inthe Cathedral Church on 20th July 1851, abode Rondebosch, the witnesses weretwo females Anne and Maria Nicholson ............. are they sisters ofGeorge?>> On Georgina's marriage certificate in 1871 she states that her fa! therGeorge is a Solicitor, I can find no evidence of George living in England atany time since the 1841 census, there are none of the family anywhere hereon the 51 census and by the 61 his wife and 3 daughters are with her motherand there they stay. No sign of George!!>> I hope I haven't been too long winded and that someone somewhere mightjust know something ............. anything.>> Thank you in anticipation,>> Diana>> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe'without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:33:56 -0600 From: James Cole-Rous <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 10 To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fr: James Cole-Rous To: Henri Fortuin There are two page lists of Leipoldt on Ancestry24.com. I saw a listing for DONGES First Name: THEODOR AMADEUS LEIPOLDT on the second page. You may want to explore the Leipoldt name on Ancestry24.com. I found many good connections to my own family there. On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 2:01 AM, < [email protected]> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Donges Family (Karima Geldenhuys) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:20:55 +0200 > From: "Karima Geldenhuys" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Donges Family > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > EBEN WAS A LIQUOR REP > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Henri Fortuin > Sent: 08 January 2011 06:04 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Donges Family > > Is the Leipoldt family tree available somewhere? In particular, I'm > missing the Donges line, that is, the parents of Eben Donges. 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