Thank you Heather. Can well understand the issue of headstones now being illegible. The only suggestion re church would be St George's in Cape Town as other baptisms and previously the parents' wedding were conducted/recorded there. A scan of the Eastern Province Herald of 1842 records her baptism but can't find later copies which may record a death (if it was even noted). Regards Garry Clough ----- Original Message ----- From: <south-africa-cape-town-request@rootsweb.com> To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 132 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Frances Susannah Deeker (Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 08:30:35 +0000 > From: Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24 <heather@ancestry24.co.za> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Frances Susannah Deeker > To: "south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com" > <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <FDAA13FEB78BAC4FB2326CD449B6D6704C6685BA@02CPT-MBX02.za.ds.naspers.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Robert > Sadly there are hardly any burial records from the period before 1880 > which is when Maitland Cemetery opened. > The other large cemetery called Somerset Road close down officially in > 1886. The new Somerset Road Cemetery closed about 40 years ago. > There are numerous small church yard cemeteries in the surrounds of Cape > Town where the Deeker baby child could have been buried but with the wind > in Cape Town the lettering by now would have been long worn away. > The only way to find out would be by consulting burial registers from > churches and you would need to know which church the burial service was > held in. > You can read more about the old Somerset Road Cemetery here > http://ancestry24.com/the-lost-inscriptions-of-somerset-road/ > > best wishes > Heather > > > Heather MacAlister > Channel Manager > E??heather@ancestry24.co.za > T??+27 (021) 468 8957 > > > F +27 (0)86 5810390?? > Join us on Facebook > ?twitter.com/ancestry24??|?Skype: ancestry24 > 7th Floor , 11? Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000??|??www.ancestry24.co.za > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gary > clough > Sent: 18 May 2012 03:03 PM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Frances Susannah Deeker > > Greetings all listers, > > Recently a baptismal record was found for Frances Susannah Deeker, > daughter of Robert Deeker, bapt 20 June 1842 at St George's, Cape Town. > The family moved to Victoria, Aust in 1853 but Frances wasn't with them. > Robert's death record notes her as predeceasing him, so it is appears > quite probable that she died in South Africa before they emigrated. > I would like to know if there is a death or burial record for her in South > Africa - I would think it would be in Cape Town as Robert's wedding and > all baptisms were in Cape Town to my knowledge. > Any help here would be greatly appreciated. > > Best wishes, > > Garry Clough, Victoria, Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2171 / Virus Database: 2425/5008 - Release Date: 05/18/12 > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN list administrator, send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN mailing list, send an > email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 132 > ****************************************************** > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5010 - Release Date: 05/19/12 >

Hi Garry It could have been at St Johns in Cape Town, St. Mary's Cathedral, Lutheran Church, NG Kerk, Methodist Church, Union Congregational Church to mention a few. Not every persons death were recorded I found numerous non- conformists in my family which really puts a spoke in the wheel. Death registers only became compulsory in 1895 in the Cape which is another problem. There could however have been a mention in the Government Gazette of the time as many marriages, baptisms and deaths were mentioned in the weekly editions. Unfortunately tracing ones family tree can never been done in a few weeks. I have been at it for 25 years and still have unfound death records or baptisms records. My husband still does not comprehend why I do it. Hopefully over time as more and more records are digitised these skeletons will creep out of the woodwork. Heather MacAlister Channel Manager E  heather@ancestry24.co.za T  +27 (021) 468 8957 F +27 (0)86 5810390   Join us on Facebook  twitter.com/ancestry24  |  skype.com/ancestry24 7th Floor , 11  Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000  |  www.ancestry24.co.za -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gary clough Sent: 20 May 2012 10:36 AM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 132 Thank you Heather. Can well understand the issue of headstones now being illegible. The only suggestion re church would be St George's in Cape Town as other baptisms and previously the parents' wedding were conducted/recorded there. A scan of the Eastern Province Herald of 1842 records her baptism but can't find later copies which may record a death (if it was even noted). Regards Garry Clough ----- Original Message ----- From: <south-africa-cape-town-request@rootsweb.com> To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 132 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Frances Susannah Deeker (Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 08:30:35 +0000 > From: Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24 <heather@ancestry24.co.za> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Frances Susannah Deeker > To: "south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com" > <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <FDAA13FEB78BAC4FB2326CD449B6D6704C6685BA@02CPT-MBX02.za.ds.naspers.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Robert > Sadly there are hardly any burial records from the period before 1880 > which is when Maitland Cemetery opened. > The other large cemetery called Somerset Road close down officially in > 1886. The new Somerset Road Cemetery closed about 40 years ago. > There are numerous small church yard cemeteries in the surrounds of Cape > Town where the Deeker baby child could have been buried but with the wind > in Cape Town the lettering by now would have been long worn away. > The only way to find out would be by consulting burial registers from > churches and you would need to know which church the burial service was > held in. > You can read more about the old Somerset Road Cemetery here > http://ancestry24.com/the-lost-inscriptions-of-somerset-road/ > > best wishes > Heather > > > Heather MacAlister > Channel Manager > E??heather@ancestry24.co.za > T??+27 (021) 468 8957 > > > F +27 (0)86 5810390?? > Join us on Facebook > ?twitter.com/ancestry24??|?Skype: ancestry24 > 7th Floor , 11? Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000??|??www.ancestry24.co.za > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gary > clough > Sent: 18 May 2012 03:03 PM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Frances Susannah Deeker > > Greetings all listers, > > Recently a baptismal record was found for Frances Susannah Deeker, > daughter of Robert Deeker, bapt 20 June 1842 at St George's, Cape Town. > The family moved to Victoria, Aust in 1853 but Frances wasn't with them. > Robert's death record notes her as predeceasing him, so it is appears > quite probable that she died in South Africa before they emigrated. > I would like to know if there is a death or burial record for her in South > Africa - I would think it would be in Cape Town as Robert's wedding and > all baptisms were in Cape Town to my knowledge. > Any help here would be greatly appreciated. > > Best wishes, > > Garry Clough, Victoria, Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2171 / Virus Database: 2425/5008 - Release Date: 05/18/12 > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN list administrator, send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN mailing list, send an > email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 132 > ****************************************************** > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5010 - Release Date: 05/19/12 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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Hi Robert Sadly there are hardly any burial records from the period before 1880 which is when Maitland Cemetery opened. The other large cemetery called Somerset Road close down officially in 1886. The new Somerset Road Cemetery closed about 40 years ago. There are numerous small church yard cemeteries in the surrounds of Cape Town where the Deeker baby child could have been buried but with the wind in Cape Town the lettering by now would have been long worn away. The only way to find out would be by consulting burial registers from churches and you would need to know which church the burial service was held in. You can read more about the old Somerset Road Cemetery here http://ancestry24.com/the-lost-inscriptions-of-somerset-road/ best wishes Heather Heather MacAlister Channel Manager E  heather@ancestry24.co.za T  +27 (021) 468 8957 F +27 (0)86 5810390   Join us on Facebook  twitter.com/ancestry24  | Skype: ancestry24 7th Floor , 11  Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000  |  www.ancestry24.co.za -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gary clough Sent: 18 May 2012 03:03 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Frances Susannah Deeker Greetings all listers, Recently a baptismal record was found for Frances Susannah Deeker, daughter of Robert Deeker, bapt 20 June 1842 at St George's, Cape Town. The family moved to Victoria, Aust in 1853 but Frances wasn't with them. Robert's death record notes her as predeceasing him, so it is appears quite probable that she died in South Africa before they emigrated. I would like to know if there is a death or burial record for her in South Africa - I would think it would be in Cape Town as Robert's wedding and all baptisms were in Cape Town to my knowledge. Any help here would be greatly appreciated. Best wishes, Garry Clough, Victoria, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2171 / Virus Database: 2425/5008 - Release Date: 05/18/12

Greetings all listers, Recently a baptismal record was found for Frances Susannah Deeker, daughter of Robert Deeker, bapt 20 June 1842 at St George's, Cape Town. The family moved to Victoria, Aust in 1853 but Frances wasn't with them. Robert's death record notes her as predeceasing him, so it is appears quite probable that she died in South Africa before they emigrated. I would like to know if there is a death or burial record for her in South Africa - I would think it would be in Cape Town as Robert's wedding and all baptisms were in Cape Town to my knowledge. Any help here would be greatly appreciated. Best wishes, Garry Clough, Victoria, Australia

Hello Thank you for your detective work. Mary Ann gives her surname as Dewey on her marriage certificate of 1843. It states her father is Thomas Dewey, occupation as Traveller. I first thought that meant commercial traveller however someone pointed out to me the presence of Irish Romani travellers in the area and I have other evidence that she had contact with them but no information to support more than that. She was about when she married Hugh who was about 28. I understand sometimes census enumerators rounded ages to a five year point. I have also noted that Mary Ann Dewey was imprisoned for two months for fraud in 1842. The story is that she was a dressmaker who stole some patterns from her employer and passed them off as her own designs. Her employer at one stage was Mrs Child, Hugh's mother. I would not be at all surprised if Mary Ann's background is different from what the family understood. My great grandmother, her grand daughter was fond of sanitising and embellishing to ensure a respectability. Who was Ann Child? I do not know. It could be a first wife or it could be a sister. Like you I like looking around the corners when doing research. I like to find who were the other people in their lives as I think we can build a more interesting picture. I like to find out who they lived with, who were their neighbours, work mates, employers, other relatives and distantly connected ones, friends and associates who they may have joined at committe meetings and other organisations. I'm also interested in movements. Why do people go to particular places and what is significant about the timing? I'm very interested in chain migration. It seems Hugh's South African occupation was Wheelwright. I'm keen to find out about Harry who worked on the newspaper. Yes the name Price is a mystery. I am wondering if the name came from associates in the Cape Colony. Hannah Maria Price Child was born there as were two of her brothers William and Samuel. She did say she had 10 children when a doctor recorded her details in his notes. I would not be surprised to learn that there were children before the marriage, even if just one. She married Hugh in 1843 but Harry was born in 1846. There seems a gap there too. What is not available is any evidence that the young Mary Ann born about 1824 lived with Hugh even after marriage. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JMartinBrady@aol.com> To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Cape Argus Apprentice and other children > Their journey to Cape Town in 1849 suggested to me that there may be UK > records before that. In the 1841 Census taken on 6 June 1841 I found a > Hugh > Child, a carpenter age 25 (born abt 1816) living in The Street, > Chilbolton, > Hants with his father Hugh Child age 55, a carpenter, mother Elizabeth > Child > age 60 and a possible twin sister Ann because she is also age 25, the > same > age as Hugh. The 1841 Census does not give married status so it could > equally be a wife named simply Ann rather than Mary Ann Price Child. I > checked > the 1851 Census for Hugh Child in Hampshire with nothing found so that > would fit with his departure to the Cape in 1849. > > The use of the name Price as a forename suggests it was her family name so > I checked the 1841 Census for Mary Ann Price and found such a named person > living at 43 Cross Street, Portsea Town, Portsmouth. Now that is some > 25/30 > miles south of the village of Chilbolton but in the 1840s it would have > been a centre of timber built naval ship construction so some time after > 1841 > Hugh (assuming he was a single man) might have headed to Portsmouth for > work. It is therefore plausible that Hugh and Mary Ann Price met in > Portsea. > > The 1841 Census return for Mary Ann Price in Portsea shows her living > with > Ann Painter age 40 and Sarah Painter age 15. No male resident. Mary Ann > was 20 and had two children George C. Price (her surname) age 2 and John > W. > Price (also her surname) age 6 mths. There seems an implication that she > has > two children out of wedlock so meeting Hugh and making a fresh start in > South Africa would make sense. You mentioned children older than son > Harry > born in 1846 (age 3 in 1849) so perhaps tracing George C. (age 10 in > 1849) > and John W. (age 7 in 1849) could link everyone together. > > Excuse some of my speculation but it's detective work and it helps to > visualise how people might relate. Hugh has therefore two possible wives, > Ann > 25 (or it is his sister) and unmarried Mary Ann Price age 20 in 1841 so 5 > years his junior. It does mean that Hannah born in 1855 was delivered to > a > mother age 39 (Ann) or 34 (Mary Ann). The latter is more realistic in > those > days with 6 others born between age 20 and say 32 with Harry in addition > in > 1846 and George, John and Hannah making the total of 10. > > Good luck with your 1849 ship details, and wouldn't a passenger list > help! > > Regards > > Martin Brady > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/5004 - Release Date: 05/16/12 18:34:00

I am also searching for information on the ship that William John Herivel, his wife Mary Ann nee WARNER travelled from Alderney Channel Islands (more likely from England) to South Africa possibly c1859 as one child is said to have been born on board then. They lived 84 Caledon St Cape Town South Africa 1859. Occupation was storeman. In 1862 he appears to have been insolvent. Three children were born Alderney Channel Is. One on board ship. Three Cape Colony SA and four in NZ. In 1864/65 several ships traveled from Cape Colony to Auckland New Zealand and were part of the Waikato (NZ) Immigration scheme. The Herivels were on the Reiherstieg leaving Cape Colony Oct 1864 and arrived on 25 Dec 1864. The other ships were Alfred, Eveline, Steinwaerder and the Maori.

Its not 5 o'clock yet ...... ----- Original Message ----- From: Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24 To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Marriage Certificate Oops Derek Slip of the fingers..... Heather MacAlister Channel Manager E heather@ancestry24.co.za T +27 (021) 468 8957 F +27 (0)86 5810390 Join us on Facebook twitter.com/ancestry24 | skype.com/ancestry24 7th Floor , 11 Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000 | www.ancestry24.co.za -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Derek Pratt Sent: 18 May 2012 12:40 PM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Marriage Certificate EEEK! Surely Heather you mean "St Peter's Mowbray" :-) Derek On 2012/05/18 12:34 PM, Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24 wrote: > Hi Biffy > The answer is not easy. In fact it is very difficult. > For starters you should get a copy of their death notices from the Archives if you don't have a copy already. In many instances you get a date or even the name of the church. > If they married in Claremont it could one of several churches (you need to find out what churches are in the area) but because they lived in Claremont does not mean they were married there but most likely. > St. Saviours > St. George and St. Paul Mowbray > St. Matthew > St. Pauls Rondebosch > Christ Church Constantia > Christ Church Kenilworth > St. Johns Wynberg > All Saints Lansdowne > All Angels Observatory > St. Thomas Rondebosch > Those are only the Anglican ones - the images of these churches can be > found > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.fami > lysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FMM28-585%3A1250843236%3Fcc%3D14680 > 76 > > Birth certificates were not introduced in the Cape until 1895 so they are in the Cape Town Archives until 1972 but you need to know the Magisterial District where the births were registered. After those dates you need to write to the Department of Home Affairs. > On a death certificate all the children of the deceased are included (generally) for more information on deceased estates you can go to http://ancestry24.com/learning-centre/deceased-estate-records/ and look at the section below the list of data bases. > You can find a free beginners guide > http://ancestry24.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ancestry24BeginnersGu > ide_20090703_lowres.pdf > > I hope that helps? > regards > Heather > > Heather MacAlister > Channel Manager > E heather@ancestry24.co.za > T +27 (021) 468 8957 > > > F +27 (0)86 5810390 > Join us on Facebook > twitter.com/ancestry24 | skype.com/ancestry24 7th Floor , 11 > Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000 | www.ancestry24.co.za > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Biffy Jonker > Sent: 18 May 2012 12:16 PM > To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Marriage Certificate > > I have the same or a similar question. Perhaps sombody can tell me > how to go about it. > > I have details of my grandparents names (George Frederick Arthur Short born in Cape Town 23 rd November 1872 and Adeline Wynn born in Bethnal Green,London on 22nd November, 1870) and their date of marriage (29th August, 1904) (and that it was in Claremont, Cape Town), but I do not know whether it was a church or civil wedding - I would assume it to be in church, otherwise it would probably have been > in the city in Cape Town.. How do I set about getting a copy of this > marriage certificate, their birth certificates and also details of their parents, and their birth certificates and details of siblings. > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you. > H,E. Jonker (nee Short) > > > > On 18 May 2012 11:44, Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24<heather@ancestry24.co.za> wrote: >> Hi Carolyn >> Parents are not always including on marriage registers like the ones in the UK. >> It is a bit of hit and miss. >> Do you know if they were married in a church? If so what denomination would they have been? Or was it a civil marriage? >> Regards >> Heather >> >> Heather MacAlister >> Channel Manager >> E heather@ancestry24.co.za >> T +27 (021) 468 8957 >> >> >> F +27 (0)86 5810390 >> Join us on Facebook >> twitter.com/ancestry24 | skype.com/ancestry24 7th Floor , 11 >> Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000 | www.ancestry24.co.za >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> laing >> Sent: 18 May 2012 11:38 AM >> To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Marriage Certificate >> >> >> Hi Listers >> >> How would one go about obtaining a copy/transcription of a marriage >> certificate? And would such a marriage certificate include the bride's and groom's father's names? >> >> Marriage of Harry George LAING and Isabella Gertruida RIES in Piet Retief on 17th May 1913. >> >> Regards >> Carolyn Laing in the UK >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for your help. Think we should start with the Archives as you suggest. Chers. Biffy Jonker > > On 2012/05/18 12:34 PM, Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24 wrote: >> Hi Biffy >> The answer is not easy. In fact it is very difficult. >> For starters you should get a copy of their death notices from the Archives if you don't have a copy already. In many instances you get a date or even the name of the church. >> If they married in Claremont it could one of several churches (you need to find out what churches are in the area) but because they lived in Claremont does not mean they were married there but most likely. >> St. Saviours >> St. George and St. Paul Mowbray >> St. Matthew >> St. Pauls Rondebosch >> Christ Church Constantia >> Christ Church Kenilworth >> St. Johns Wynberg >> All Saints Lansdowne >> All Angels Observatory >> St. Thomas Rondebosch >> Those are only the Anglican ones - the images of these churches can be >> found >> https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.fami >> lysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FMM28-585%3A1250843236%3Fcc%3D14680 >> 76 >> >> Birth certificates were not introduced in the Cape until 1895 so they are in the Cape Town Archives until 1972 but you need to know the Magisterial District where the births were registered. After those dates you need to write to the Department of Home Affairs. >> On a death certificate all the children of the deceased are included (generally) for more information on deceased estates you can go to http://ancestry24.com/learning-centre/deceased-estate-records/ and look at the section below the list of data bases. >> You can find a free beginners guide >> http://ancestry24.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ancestry24BeginnersGu >> ide_20090703_lowres.pdf >> >> I hope that helps? >> regards >> Heather >> >> Heather MacAlister >> Channel Manager >> E  heather@ancestry24.co.za >> T  +27 (021) 468 8957 >> >> >> F +27 (0)86 5810390 >> Join us on Facebook >>   twitter.com/ancestry24  |  skype.com/ancestry24 7th Floor , 11 >> Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000  |  www.ancestry24.co.za >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> Biffy Jonker >> Sent: 18 May 2012 12:16 PM >> To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Marriage Certificate >> >> I have the same or a similar question.   Perhaps sombody can tell me >> how to go about it. >> >> I have details of my grandparents names (George Frederick Arthur Short born in Cape Town 23 rd November 1872  and Adeline Wynn born in Bethnal Green,London on 22nd November, 1870) and their date of marriage (29th August, 1904) (and that it was in Claremont, Cape Town), but I do not know whether it was a church or civil wedding - I would assume it to be in church, otherwise it would probably have been >> in the city in Cape Town..   How do I set about getting a copy of this >> marriage certificate, their birth certificates and also details of their parents, and their birth certificates and details of siblings. >> >> Any advice would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thank you. >> H,E. Jonker (nee Short) >>

EEEK! Surely Heather you mean "St Peter's Mowbray" :-) Derek On 2012/05/18 12:34 PM, Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24 wrote: > Hi Biffy > The answer is not easy. In fact it is very difficult. > For starters you should get a copy of their death notices from the Archives if you don't have a copy already. In many instances you get a date or even the name of the church. > If they married in Claremont it could one of several churches (you need to find out what churches are in the area) but because they lived in Claremont does not mean they were married there but most likely. > St. Saviours > St. George and St. Paul Mowbray > St. Matthew > St. Pauls Rondebosch > Christ Church Constantia > Christ Church Kenilworth > St. Johns Wynberg > All Saints Lansdowne > All Angels Observatory > St. Thomas Rondebosch > Those are only the Anglican ones - the images of these churches can be found https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.familysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FMM28-585%3A1250843236%3Fcc%3D1468076 > > Birth certificates were not introduced in the Cape until 1895 so they are in the Cape Town Archives until 1972 but you need to know the Magisterial District where the births were registered. After those dates you need to write to the Department of Home Affairs. > On a death certificate all the children of the deceased are included (generally) for more information on deceased estates you can go to http://ancestry24.com/learning-centre/deceased-estate-records/ and look at the section below the list of data bases. > You can find a free beginners guide > http://ancestry24.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ancestry24BeginnersGuide_20090703_lowres.pdf > > I hope that helps? > regards > Heather > > Heather MacAlister > Channel Manager > E heather@ancestry24.co.za > T +27 (021) 468 8957 > > > F +27 (0)86 5810390 > Join us on Facebook > twitter.com/ancestry24 | skype.com/ancestry24 > 7th Floor , 11 Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000 | www.ancestry24.co.za > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Biffy Jonker > Sent: 18 May 2012 12:16 PM > To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Marriage Certificate > > I have the same or a similar question. Perhaps sombody can tell me > how to go about it. > > I have details of my grandparents names (George Frederick Arthur Short born in Cape Town 23 rd November 1872 and Adeline Wynn born in Bethnal Green,London on 22nd November, 1870) and their date of marriage (29th August, 1904) (and that it was in Claremont, Cape Town), but I do not know whether it was a church or civil wedding - I would assume it to be in church, otherwise it would probably have been > in the city in Cape Town.. How do I set about getting a copy of this > marriage certificate, their birth certificates and also details of their parents, and their birth certificates and details of siblings. > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you. > H,E. Jonker (nee Short) > > > > On 18 May 2012 11:44, Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24<heather@ancestry24.co.za> wrote: >> Hi Carolyn >> Parents are not always including on marriage registers like the ones in the UK. >> It is a bit of hit and miss. >> Do you know if they were married in a church? If so what denomination would they have been? Or was it a civil marriage? >> Regards >> Heather >> >> Heather MacAlister >> Channel Manager >> E heather@ancestry24.co.za >> T +27 (021) 468 8957 >> >> >> F +27 (0)86 5810390 >> Join us on Facebook >> twitter.com/ancestry24 | skype.com/ancestry24 7th Floor , 11 >> Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000 | www.ancestry24.co.za >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> laing >> Sent: 18 May 2012 11:38 AM >> To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Marriage Certificate >> >> >> Hi Listers >> >> How would one go about obtaining a copy/transcription of a marriage >> certificate? And would such a marriage certificate include the bride's and groom's father's names? >> >> Marriage of Harry George LAING and Isabella Gertruida RIES in Piet Retief on 17th May 1913. >> >> Regards >> Carolyn Laing in the UK >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have the same or a similar question. Perhaps sombody can tell me how to go about it. I have details of my grandparents names (George Frederick Arthur Short born in Cape Town 23 rd November 1872 and Adeline Wynn born in Bethnal Green,London on 22nd November, 1870) and their date of marriage (29th August, 1904) (and that it was in Claremont, Cape Town), but I do not know whether it was a church or civil wedding - I would assume it to be in church, otherwise it would probably have been in the city in Cape Town.. How do I set about getting a copy of this marriage certificate, their birth certificates and also details of their parents, and their birth certificates and details of siblings. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. H,E. Jonker (nee Short) On 18 May 2012 11:44, Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24 <heather@ancestry24.co.za> wrote: > Hi Carolyn > Parents are not always including on marriage registers like the ones in the UK. > It is a bit of hit and miss. > Do you know if they were married in a church? If so what denomination would they have been? Or was it a civil marriage? > Regards > Heather > > Heather MacAlister > Channel Manager > E  heather@ancestry24.co.za > T  +27 (021) 468 8957 > > > F +27 (0)86 5810390 > Join us on Facebook >  twitter.com/ancestry24  |  skype.com/ancestry24 > 7th Floor , 11  Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000  |  www.ancestry24.co.za > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of laing > Sent: 18 May 2012 11:38 AM > To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Marriage Certificate > > > Hi Listers > > How would one go about obtaining a copy/transcription of a marriage certificate? And would such a marriage certificate include the bride's and > groom's father's names? > > Marriage of Harry George LAING and Isabella Gertruida RIES in Piet Retief on 17th May 1913. > > Regards > Carolyn Laing in the UK > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Heather I have no idea if they were married in a church, whether it was a civil marriage or even what denomination it was. Sorry I can't help there. Regards Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24 Sent: 18 May 2012 10:44 To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Marriage Certificate Hi Carolyn Parents are not always including on marriage registers like the ones in the UK. It is a bit of hit and miss. Do you know if they were married in a church? If so what denomination would they have been? Or was it a civil marriage? Regards Heather Heather MacAlister Channel Manager E  heather@ancestry24.co.za T  +27 (021) 468 8957 F +27 (0)86 5810390   Join us on Facebook  twitter.com/ancestry24  |  skype.com/ancestry24 7th Floor , 11  Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000  |  www.ancestry24.co.za -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of laing Sent: 18 May 2012 11:38 AM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Marriage Certificate Hi Listers How would one go about obtaining a copy/transcription of a marriage certificate? And would such a marriage certificate include the bride's and groom's father's names? Marriage of Harry George LAING and Isabella Gertruida RIES in Piet Retief on 17th May 1913. Regards Carolyn Laing in the UK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My forebears Hugh and Mary Ann Child arrived in Capetown in 1849. With them they had at least one son, Harry who served his apprenticeship and the Cape Argus as a typesetter (compositor). In 1864 they came to New Zealand on the Ship Maori. I have quite a few questions. On which ship did they travel to Cape Town? Were there other children, perhaps an older child than Harry who was almost three at the time? Hugh Child was a carpenter but on the ship to NZ manifest his occupation is listed as Wheelwright. Mary Ann later states she had 10 children but in 1864 only 4 came to NZ. My great-great grandmother Hannah Maria Price Child was born about 1855 and so I would also like to track down any details of her birth or baptism and any other details about her siblings also. As two of the four children seem to have also disappeared after arriving in NZ, there is a possibility they may have returned there also. On the Maori also were members of a family surname Black. One of the children, Catherine, married Harry Child. It occurs to me that these families might have known each other in Cape Town so if finding anything about either family, it might lead to more about the other. A lot of question, I know but I would appreciate any leads that might reveal any of these questions please.

Oops Derek Slip of the fingers..... Heather MacAlister Channel Manager E  heather@ancestry24.co.za T  +27 (021) 468 8957 F +27 (0)86 5810390   Join us on Facebook  twitter.com/ancestry24  |  skype.com/ancestry24 7th Floor , 11  Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000  |  www.ancestry24.co.za -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Derek Pratt Sent: 18 May 2012 12:40 PM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Marriage Certificate EEEK! Surely Heather you mean "St Peter's Mowbray" :-) Derek On 2012/05/18 12:34 PM, Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24 wrote: > Hi Biffy > The answer is not easy. In fact it is very difficult. > For starters you should get a copy of their death notices from the Archives if you don't have a copy already. In many instances you get a date or even the name of the church. > If they married in Claremont it could one of several churches (you need to find out what churches are in the area) but because they lived in Claremont does not mean they were married there but most likely. > St. Saviours > St. George and St. Paul Mowbray > St. Matthew > St. Pauls Rondebosch > Christ Church Constantia > Christ Church Kenilworth > St. Johns Wynberg > All Saints Lansdowne > All Angels Observatory > St. Thomas Rondebosch > Those are only the Anglican ones - the images of these churches can be > found > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.fami > lysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FMM28-585%3A1250843236%3Fcc%3D14680 > 76 > > Birth certificates were not introduced in the Cape until 1895 so they are in the Cape Town Archives until 1972 but you need to know the Magisterial District where the births were registered. After those dates you need to write to the Department of Home Affairs. > On a death certificate all the children of the deceased are included (generally) for more information on deceased estates you can go to http://ancestry24.com/learning-centre/deceased-estate-records/ and look at the section below the list of data bases. > You can find a free beginners guide > http://ancestry24.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ancestry24BeginnersGu > ide_20090703_lowres.pdf > > I hope that helps? > regards > Heather > > Heather MacAlister > Channel Manager > E heather@ancestry24.co.za > T +27 (021) 468 8957 > > > F +27 (0)86 5810390 > Join us on Facebook > twitter.com/ancestry24 | skype.com/ancestry24 7th Floor , 11 > Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000 | www.ancestry24.co.za > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Biffy Jonker > Sent: 18 May 2012 12:16 PM > To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Marriage Certificate > > I have the same or a similar question. Perhaps sombody can tell me > how to go about it. > > I have details of my grandparents names (George Frederick Arthur Short born in Cape Town 23 rd November 1872 and Adeline Wynn born in Bethnal Green,London on 22nd November, 1870) and their date of marriage (29th August, 1904) (and that it was in Claremont, Cape Town), but I do not know whether it was a church or civil wedding - I would assume it to be in church, otherwise it would probably have been > in the city in Cape Town.. How do I set about getting a copy of this > marriage certificate, their birth certificates and also details of their parents, and their birth certificates and details of siblings. > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you. > H,E. Jonker (nee Short) > > > > On 18 May 2012 11:44, Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24<heather@ancestry24.co.za> wrote: >> Hi Carolyn >> Parents are not always including on marriage registers like the ones in the UK. >> It is a bit of hit and miss. >> Do you know if they were married in a church? If so what denomination would they have been? Or was it a civil marriage? >> Regards >> Heather >> >> Heather MacAlister >> Channel Manager >> E heather@ancestry24.co.za >> T +27 (021) 468 8957 >> >> >> F +27 (0)86 5810390 >> Join us on Facebook >> twitter.com/ancestry24 | skype.com/ancestry24 7th Floor , 11 >> Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000 | www.ancestry24.co.za >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> laing >> Sent: 18 May 2012 11:38 AM >> To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Marriage Certificate >> >> >> Hi Listers >> >> How would one go about obtaining a copy/transcription of a marriage >> certificate? And would such a marriage certificate include the bride's and groom's father's names? >> >> Marriage of Harry George LAING and Isabella Gertruida RIES in Piet Retief on 17th May 1913. >> >> Regards >> Carolyn Laing in the UK >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers How would one go about obtaining a copy/transcription of a marriage certificate? And would such a marriage certificate include the bride's and groom's father's names? Marriage of Harry George LAING and Isabella Gertruida RIES in Piet Retief on 17th May 1913. Regards Carolyn Laing in the UK

Hi Biffy The answer is not easy. In fact it is very difficult. For starters you should get a copy of their death notices from the Archives if you don't have a copy already. In many instances you get a date or even the name of the church. If they married in Claremont it could one of several churches (you need to find out what churches are in the area) but because they lived in Claremont does not mean they were married there but most likely. St. Saviours St. George and St. Paul Mowbray St. Matthew St. Pauls Rondebosch Christ Church Constantia Christ Church Kenilworth St. Johns Wynberg All Saints Lansdowne All Angels Observatory St. Thomas Rondebosch Those are only the Anglican ones - the images of these churches can be found https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.familysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FMM28-585%3A1250843236%3Fcc%3D1468076 Birth certificates were not introduced in the Cape until 1895 so they are in the Cape Town Archives until 1972 but you need to know the Magisterial District where the births were registered. After those dates you need to write to the Department of Home Affairs. On a death certificate all the children of the deceased are included (generally) for more information on deceased estates you can go to http://ancestry24.com/learning-centre/deceased-estate-records/ and look at the section below the list of data bases. You can find a free beginners guide http://ancestry24.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ancestry24BeginnersGuide_20090703_lowres.pdf I hope that helps? regards Heather Heather MacAlister Channel Manager E  heather@ancestry24.co.za T  +27 (021) 468 8957 F +27 (0)86 5810390   Join us on Facebook  twitter.com/ancestry24  |  skype.com/ancestry24 7th Floor , 11  Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000  |  www.ancestry24.co.za -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Biffy Jonker Sent: 18 May 2012 12:16 PM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Marriage Certificate I have the same or a similar question. Perhaps sombody can tell me how to go about it. I have details of my grandparents names (George Frederick Arthur Short born in Cape Town 23 rd November 1872 and Adeline Wynn born in Bethnal Green,London on 22nd November, 1870) and their date of marriage (29th August, 1904) (and that it was in Claremont, Cape Town), but I do not know whether it was a church or civil wedding - I would assume it to be in church, otherwise it would probably have been in the city in Cape Town.. How do I set about getting a copy of this marriage certificate, their birth certificates and also details of their parents, and their birth certificates and details of siblings. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. H,E. Jonker (nee Short) On 18 May 2012 11:44, Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24 <heather@ancestry24.co.za> wrote: > Hi Carolyn > Parents are not always including on marriage registers like the ones in the UK. > It is a bit of hit and miss. > Do you know if they were married in a church? If so what denomination would they have been? Or was it a civil marriage? > Regards > Heather > > Heather MacAlister > Channel Manager > E  heather@ancestry24.co.za > T  +27 (021) 468 8957 > > > F +27 (0)86 5810390 > Join us on Facebook >  twitter.com/ancestry24  |  skype.com/ancestry24 7th Floor , 11  > Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000  |  www.ancestry24.co.za > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > laing > Sent: 18 May 2012 11:38 AM > To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Marriage Certificate > > > Hi Listers > > How would one go about obtaining a copy/transcription of a marriage > certificate? And would such a marriage certificate include the bride's and groom's father's names? > > Marriage of Harry George LAING and Isabella Gertruida RIES in Piet Retief on 17th May 1913. > > Regards > Carolyn Laing in the UK > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, the little I can offer is that, as wheels were made out of wood at the time, one would consider that a wheelwright would be a specialised form of carpentry, and a more desirable one at that. Regards, Chris & Christine -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robyn Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 09:03 To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Cape Argus Apprentice and other children My forebears Hugh and Mary Ann Child arrived in Capetown in 1849. With them they had at least one son, Harry who served his apprenticeship and the Cape Argus as a typesetter (compositor). In 1864 they came to New Zealand on the Ship Maori. I have quite a few questions. On which ship did they travel to Cape Town? Were there other children, perhaps an older child than Harry who was almost three at the time? Hugh Child was a carpenter but on the ship to NZ manifest his occupation is listed as Wheelwright. Mary Ann later states she had 10 children but in 1864 only 4 came to NZ. My great-great grandmother Hannah Maria Price Child was born about 1855 and so I would also like to track down any details of her birth or baptism and any other details about her siblings also. As two of the four children seem to have also disappeared after arriving in NZ, there is a possibility they may have returned there also. On the Maori also were members of a family surname Black. One of the children, Catherine, married Harry Child. It occurs to me that these families might have known each other in Cape Town so if finding anything about either family, it might lead to more about the other. A lot of question, I know but I would appreciate any leads that might reveal any of these questions please. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carolyn Parents are not always including on marriage registers like the ones in the UK. It is a bit of hit and miss. Do you know if they were married in a church? If so what denomination would they have been? Or was it a civil marriage? Regards Heather Heather MacAlister Channel Manager E  heather@ancestry24.co.za T  +27 (021) 468 8957 F +27 (0)86 5810390   Join us on Facebook  twitter.com/ancestry24  |  skype.com/ancestry24 7th Floor , 11  Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000  |  www.ancestry24.co.za -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of laing Sent: 18 May 2012 11:38 AM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Marriage Certificate Hi Listers How would one go about obtaining a copy/transcription of a marriage certificate? And would such a marriage certificate include the bride's and groom's father's names? Marriage of Harry George LAING and Isabella Gertruida RIES in Piet Retief on 17th May 1913. Regards Carolyn Laing in the UK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Their journey to Cape Town in 1849 suggested to me that there may be UK records before that. In the 1841 Census taken on 6 June 1841 I found a Hugh Child, a carpenter age 25 (born abt 1816) living in The Street, Chilbolton, Hants with his father Hugh Child age 55, a carpenter, mother Elizabeth Child age 60 and a possible twin sister Ann because she is also age 25, the same age as Hugh. The 1841 Census does not give married status so it could equally be a wife named simply Ann rather than Mary Ann Price Child. I checked the 1851 Census for Hugh Child in Hampshire with nothing found so that would fit with his departure to the Cape in 1849. The use of the name Price as a forename suggests it was her family name so I checked the 1841 Census for Mary Ann Price and found such a named person living at 43 Cross Street, Portsea Town, Portsmouth. Now that is some 25/30 miles south of the village of Chilbolton but in the 1840s it would have been a centre of timber built naval ship construction so some time after 1841 Hugh (assuming he was a single man) might have headed to Portsmouth for work. It is therefore plausible that Hugh and Mary Ann Price met in Portsea. The 1841 Census return for Mary Ann Price in Portsea shows her living with Ann Painter age 40 and Sarah Painter age 15. No male resident. Mary Ann was 20 and had two children George C. Price (her surname) age 2 and John W. Price (also her surname) age 6 mths. There seems an implication that she has two children out of wedlock so meeting Hugh and making a fresh start in South Africa would make sense. You mentioned children older than son Harry born in 1846 (age 3 in 1849) so perhaps tracing George C. (age 10 in 1849) and John W. (age 7 in 1849) could link everyone together. Excuse some of my speculation but it's detective work and it helps to visualise how people might relate. Hugh has therefore two possible wives, Ann 25 (or it is his sister) and unmarried Mary Ann Price age 20 in 1841 so 5 years his junior. It does mean that Hannah born in 1855 was delivered to a mother age 39 (Ann) or 34 (Mary Ann). The latter is more realistic in those days with 6 others born between age 20 and say 32 with Harry in addition in 1846 and George, John and Hannah making the total of 10. Good luck with your 1849 ship details, and wouldn't a passenger list help! Regards Martin Brady

Good morning We are researching our REGNART family roots in Wales. Does someone have similar research sources for Wales? Many thanks Antoinette Irene Bouwer Durbanville South Africa -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margarets gmail Sent: 17 May 2012 04:55 AM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Irish Roots Hello list These are links to an Irish website which will be a great resource in coming months and years http://www.irelandxo.com/ http://www.irelandxo.com/group/kiltenanlea-clare http://www.irelandxo.com/ http://www.irelandxo.com/group/bunratty-clare http://www.irelandxo.com/group/croom-limerick To name but a few. They are parishes in Ireland and this project is ongoing Margaret Visit the Spearin Surname Project @ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spearin/Index.html and here at our facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/219630734727688/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello list These are links to an Irish website which will be a great resource in coming months and years http://www.irelandxo.com/ http://www.irelandxo.com/group/kiltenanlea-clare http://www.irelandxo.com/ http://www.irelandxo.com/group/bunratty-clare http://www.irelandxo.com/group/croom-limerick To name but a few. They are parishes in Ireland and this project is ongoing Margaret Visit the Spearin Surname Project @ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spearin/Index.html and here at our facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/219630734727688/