Married( more or less 1840) to Mary Ann Phillips(born in Paarl 1825) Their children: John (1850) Mary Ann Charles (1861) William (1866) Benjamin James(1868) I have detail about everyone except Benjamin James Mc Gee the husband and father. Any information on him and his parents will be appreciated. Kind regards, Aletta Mc Gee

Thanks for the help Rob! Di -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rob Jones Sent: 14 September 2012 12:08 PM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 204 Hi Dianne, Re de Wit Have a look at this web site: http://dewitt.mainpage.net also contact Dennis de Wit dennisdewitt@netscape.net Hope this helps. Regards, Rob -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of south-africa-cape-town-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 14 September 2012 09:01 AM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 204 Today's Topics: 1. Coat of Arms (DI - DD KITS) 2. CALMEYER (Barry Brown) 3. Re: CALMEYER (DI - DD KITS) 4. Re: Coat of Arms (Gwen Doyle) 5. Re: Coat of Arms (Neville and Margaret) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:12:10 +0200 From: "DI - DD KITS" <dianne@dbnmail.co.za> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Coat of Arms To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <007b01cd91ca$88b2c150$9a1843f0$@dbnmail.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello Listers My husbands Great grandfather: . Dirk Johannes DE WITT born - 5/01/1860 - died 12/07/1943 . In a copy of his will dated 19/03/1940 he states: "It is my special will and desire that the Coat of Arms, including the Seal, of my family shall neither be sold nor pawned but on my death shall pass to my daughter Maria Elizabeth CLOETE, presently in the care of Rhodesian Timber Company, Mpindo Siding, via Bulawayo, Southern Rhodesia, and at her death shall pass to Thomas William PORTER of the Berea Fire Station, Berea, Johannesburg" Anyone else tracking the DE WITTS - anyone heard anything about the seal and coat of Arms?? Jan De WIT cam to Cape Town as John WHITE -some interesting story about the name change - but what is the story?? Any help would be appreciated.. Thanks Dianne Butcher ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:43:02 +0300 From: "Barry Brown" <barry.brown@elisanet.fi> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] CALMEYER To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000001cd91ce$d8bbcfd0$8a336f70$@elisanet.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Not an answer to your actual question, but it might fit your jigsaw...... Mary Calmeyer with daughter Violet Calmeyer travelled from Cape Town on the Aberdeen line ship 'Salamis' (sailing from Brisbane via ports) that arrived London 13 Jun 1904. On that manifest the mother's age is given as 34 (ie. born abt. 1870) and the daughter's age is given as 2? (ie. born abt. turn of the year 1901/1902). Both are marked down as 'British Subjects, English' (not marked down as 'Born in British Colonies'). regards, Barry ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:55:09 +0200 From: "DI - DD KITS" <dianne@dbnmail.co.za> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] CALMEYER To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000601cd91d0$8a4dc4f0$9ee94ed0$@dbnmail.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Barry - how interesting....... -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barry Brown Sent: 13 September 2012 06:43 PM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] CALMEYER Not an answer to your actual question, but it might fit your jigsaw...... Mary Calmeyer with daughter Violet Calmeyer travelled from Cape Town on the Aberdeen line ship 'Salamis' (sailing from Brisbane via ports) that arrived London 13 Jun 1904. On that manifest the mother's age is given as 34 (ie. born abt. 1870) and the daughter's age is given as 2? (ie. born abt. turn of the year 1901/1902). Both are marked down as 'British Subjects, English' (not marked down as 'Born in British Colonies'). regards, Barry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:00:11 +1000 From: "Gwen Doyle" <bdoy4923@bigpond.net.au> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Coat of Arms To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <8E4F31B1363D4FCF9D475657A9F1B9EB@GwenPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Just a thought about the name change. May be John White thought taking on the De Witts surname may enhance him to the local population by sounding more Dutch. I know a few of the ancestry lines I have helped with over the years got to UK from somewhere in Eastern Europe and Anglicised their surnames. Gwen -----Original Message----- From: DI - DD KITS Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 2:12 AM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Coat of Arms Hello Listers My husbands Great grandfather: . Dirk Johannes DE WITT born - 5/01/1860 - died 12/07/1943 . In a copy of his will dated 19/03/1940 he states: "It is my special will and desire that the Coat of Arms, including the Seal, of my family shall neither be sold nor pawned but on my death shall pass to my daughter Maria Elizabeth CLOETE, presently in the care of Rhodesian Timber Company, Mpindo Siding, via Bulawayo, Southern Rhodesia, and at her death shall pass to Thomas William PORTER of the Berea Fire Station, Berea, Johannesburg" Anyone else tracking the DE WITTS - anyone heard anything about the seal and coat of Arms?? Jan De WIT cam to Cape Town as John WHITE -some interesting story about the name change - but what is the story?? Any help would be appreciated.. Thanks Dianne Butcher ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7476 (20120913) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 07:55:13 +0200 From: "Neville and Margaret" <jimmyjamjar@cybersmart.co.za> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Coat of Arms To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <00F8A64006594711AAEFF85F0C29F845@home141ad235b4> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Name changes were very common all over especially in the USA as immigrants anglicised their names. I had a great aunt who come from Norway to New York; she was a Gaard and changed her name to Gordon to make it easier to get a job. Neville ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwen Doyle" <bdoy4923@bigpond.net.au> To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Coat of Arms > Just a thought about the name change. May be John White thought > taking on the De Witts surname may enhance him to the local population by sounding > more Dutch. I know a few of the ancestry lines I have helped with over > the > years got to UK from somewhere in Eastern Europe and Anglicised their > surnames. Gwen > > -----Original Message----- > From: DI - DD KITS > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 2:12 AM > To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Coat of Arms > > Hello Listers > > My husbands Great grandfather: > > . Dirk Johannes DE WITT born - 5/01/1860 - died 12/07/1943 > > . In a copy of his will dated 19/03/1940 he states: > > "It is my special will and desire that the Coat of Arms, including the > Seal, of my family shall neither be sold nor pawned but on my death > shall pass to my daughter Maria Elizabeth CLOETE, presently in the > care of Rhodesian Timber Company, Mpindo Siding, via Bulawayo, > Southern Rhodesia, and at her death shall pass to Thomas William > PORTER of the Berea Fire Station, Berea, Johannesburg" > > Anyone else tracking the DE WITTS - anyone heard anything about the > seal and coat of Arms?? > > Jan De WIT cam to Cape Town as John WHITE -some interesting story > about the name change - but what is the story?? > > > > Any help would be appreciated.. > > Thanks > > Dianne Butcher > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature > database 7476 (20120913) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN list administrator, send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Hi Dianne, Re de Wit Have a look at this web site: http://dewitt.mainpage.net also contact Dennis de Wit dennisdewitt@netscape.net Hope this helps. Regards, Rob -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of south-africa-cape-town-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 14 September 2012 09:01 AM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 204 Today's Topics: 1. Coat of Arms (DI - DD KITS) 2. CALMEYER (Barry Brown) 3. Re: CALMEYER (DI - DD KITS) 4. Re: Coat of Arms (Gwen Doyle) 5. Re: Coat of Arms (Neville and Margaret) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:12:10 +0200 From: "DI - DD KITS" <dianne@dbnmail.co.za> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Coat of Arms To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <007b01cd91ca$88b2c150$9a1843f0$@dbnmail.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello Listers My husbands Great grandfather: . Dirk Johannes DE WITT born - 5/01/1860 - died 12/07/1943 . In a copy of his will dated 19/03/1940 he states: "It is my special will and desire that the Coat of Arms, including the Seal, of my family shall neither be sold nor pawned but on my death shall pass to my daughter Maria Elizabeth CLOETE, presently in the care of Rhodesian Timber Company, Mpindo Siding, via Bulawayo, Southern Rhodesia, and at her death shall pass to Thomas William PORTER of the Berea Fire Station, Berea, Johannesburg" Anyone else tracking the DE WITTS - anyone heard anything about the seal and coat of Arms?? Jan De WIT cam to Cape Town as John WHITE -some interesting story about the name change - but what is the story?? Any help would be appreciated.. Thanks Dianne Butcher ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:43:02 +0300 From: "Barry Brown" <barry.brown@elisanet.fi> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] CALMEYER To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000001cd91ce$d8bbcfd0$8a336f70$@elisanet.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Not an answer to your actual question, but it might fit your jigsaw...... Mary Calmeyer with daughter Violet Calmeyer travelled from Cape Town on the Aberdeen line ship 'Salamis' (sailing from Brisbane via ports) that arrived London 13 Jun 1904. On that manifest the mother's age is given as 34 (ie. born abt. 1870) and the daughter's age is given as 2? (ie. born abt. turn of the year 1901/1902). Both are marked down as 'British Subjects, English' (not marked down as 'Born in British Colonies'). regards, Barry ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:55:09 +0200 From: "DI - DD KITS" <dianne@dbnmail.co.za> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] CALMEYER To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000601cd91d0$8a4dc4f0$9ee94ed0$@dbnmail.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Barry - how interesting....... -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barry Brown Sent: 13 September 2012 06:43 PM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] CALMEYER Not an answer to your actual question, but it might fit your jigsaw...... Mary Calmeyer with daughter Violet Calmeyer travelled from Cape Town on the Aberdeen line ship 'Salamis' (sailing from Brisbane via ports) that arrived London 13 Jun 1904. On that manifest the mother's age is given as 34 (ie. born abt. 1870) and the daughter's age is given as 2? (ie. born abt. turn of the year 1901/1902). Both are marked down as 'British Subjects, English' (not marked down as 'Born in British Colonies'). regards, Barry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:00:11 +1000 From: "Gwen Doyle" <bdoy4923@bigpond.net.au> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Coat of Arms To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <8E4F31B1363D4FCF9D475657A9F1B9EB@GwenPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Just a thought about the name change. May be John White thought taking on the De Witts surname may enhance him to the local population by sounding more Dutch. I know a few of the ancestry lines I have helped with over the years got to UK from somewhere in Eastern Europe and Anglicised their surnames. Gwen -----Original Message----- From: DI - DD KITS Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 2:12 AM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Coat of Arms Hello Listers My husbands Great grandfather: . Dirk Johannes DE WITT born - 5/01/1860 - died 12/07/1943 . In a copy of his will dated 19/03/1940 he states: "It is my special will and desire that the Coat of Arms, including the Seal, of my family shall neither be sold nor pawned but on my death shall pass to my daughter Maria Elizabeth CLOETE, presently in the care of Rhodesian Timber Company, Mpindo Siding, via Bulawayo, Southern Rhodesia, and at her death shall pass to Thomas William PORTER of the Berea Fire Station, Berea, Johannesburg" Anyone else tracking the DE WITTS - anyone heard anything about the seal and coat of Arms?? Jan De WIT cam to Cape Town as John WHITE -some interesting story about the name change - but what is the story?? Any help would be appreciated.. Thanks Dianne Butcher ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7476 (20120913) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 07:55:13 +0200 From: "Neville and Margaret" <jimmyjamjar@cybersmart.co.za> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Coat of Arms To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <00F8A64006594711AAEFF85F0C29F845@home141ad235b4> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Name changes were very common all over especially in the USA as immigrants anglicised their names. I had a great aunt who come from Norway to New York; she was a Gaard and changed her name to Gordon to make it easier to get a job. Neville ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwen Doyle" <bdoy4923@bigpond.net.au> To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Coat of Arms > Just a thought about the name change. May be John White thought taking on > the De Witts surname may enhance him to the local population by sounding > more Dutch. I know a few of the ancestry lines I have helped with over > the > years got to UK from somewhere in Eastern Europe and Anglicised their > surnames. Gwen > > -----Original Message----- > From: DI - DD KITS > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 2:12 AM > To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Coat of Arms > > Hello Listers > > My husbands Great grandfather: > > . Dirk Johannes DE WITT born - 5/01/1860 - died 12/07/1943 > > . In a copy of his will dated 19/03/1940 he states: > > "It is my special will and desire that the Coat of Arms, including the > Seal, > of my family shall neither be sold nor pawned but on my death shall pass > to > my daughter Maria Elizabeth CLOETE, presently in the care of Rhodesian > Timber Company, Mpindo Siding, via Bulawayo, Southern Rhodesia, and at her > death shall pass to Thomas William PORTER of the Berea Fire Station, > Berea, > Johannesburg" > > Anyone else tracking the DE WITTS - anyone heard anything about the seal > and > coat of Arms?? > > Jan De WIT cam to Cape Town as John WHITE -some interesting story about > the > name change - but what is the story?? > > > > Any help would be appreciated.. > > Thanks > > Dianne Butcher > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature > database 7476 (20120913) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN list administrator, send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Just a thought about the name change. May be John White thought taking on the De Witts surname may enhance him to the local population by sounding more Dutch. I know a few of the ancestry lines I have helped with over the years got to UK from somewhere in Eastern Europe and Anglicised their surnames. Gwen -----Original Message----- From: DI - DD KITS Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 2:12 AM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Coat of Arms Hello Listers My husbands Great grandfather: . Dirk Johannes DE WITT born - 5/01/1860 - died 12/07/1943 . In a copy of his will dated 19/03/1940 he states: "It is my special will and desire that the Coat of Arms, including the Seal, of my family shall neither be sold nor pawned but on my death shall pass to my daughter Maria Elizabeth CLOETE, presently in the care of Rhodesian Timber Company, Mpindo Siding, via Bulawayo, Southern Rhodesia, and at her death shall pass to Thomas William PORTER of the Berea Fire Station, Berea, Johannesburg" Anyone else tracking the DE WITTS - anyone heard anything about the seal and coat of Arms?? Jan De WIT cam to Cape Town as John WHITE -some interesting story about the name change - but what is the story?? Any help would be appreciated.. Thanks Dianne Butcher ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7476 (20120913) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Name changes were very common all over especially in the USA as immigrants anglicised their names. I had a great aunt who come from Norway to New York; she was a Gaard and changed her name to Gordon to make it easier to get a job. Neville ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwen Doyle" <bdoy4923@bigpond.net.au> To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Coat of Arms > Just a thought about the name change. May be John White thought taking on > the De Witts surname may enhance him to the local population by sounding > more Dutch. I know a few of the ancestry lines I have helped with over > the > years got to UK from somewhere in Eastern Europe and Anglicised their > surnames. Gwen > > -----Original Message----- > From: DI - DD KITS > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 2:12 AM > To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Coat of Arms > > Hello Listers > > My husbands Great grandfather: > > . Dirk Johannes DE WITT born - 5/01/1860 - died 12/07/1943 > > . In a copy of his will dated 19/03/1940 he states: > > "It is my special will and desire that the Coat of Arms, including the > Seal, > of my family shall neither be sold nor pawned but on my death shall pass > to > my daughter Maria Elizabeth CLOETE, presently in the care of Rhodesian > Timber Company, Mpindo Siding, via Bulawayo, Southern Rhodesia, and at her > death shall pass to Thomas William PORTER of the Berea Fire Station, > Berea, > Johannesburg" > > Anyone else tracking the DE WITTS - anyone heard anything about the seal > and > coat of Arms?? > > Jan De WIT cam to Cape Town as John WHITE -some interesting story about > the > name change - but what is the story?? > > > > Any help would be appreciated.. > > Thanks > > Dianne Butcher > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature > database 7476 (20120913) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Not an answer to your actual question, but it might fit your jigsaw...... Mary Calmeyer with daughter Violet Calmeyer travelled from Cape Town on the Aberdeen line ship 'Salamis' (sailing from Brisbane via ports) that arrived London 13 Jun 1904. On that manifest the mother's age is given as 34 (ie. born abt. 1870) and the daughter's age is given as 2½ (ie. born abt. turn of the year 1901/1902). Both are marked down as 'British Subjects, English' (not marked down as 'Born in British Colonies'). regards, Barry

Thanks Barry - how interesting....... -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barry Brown Sent: 13 September 2012 06:43 PM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] CALMEYER Not an answer to your actual question, but it might fit your jigsaw...... Mary Calmeyer with daughter Violet Calmeyer travelled from Cape Town on the Aberdeen line ship 'Salamis' (sailing from Brisbane via ports) that arrived London 13 Jun 1904. On that manifest the mother's age is given as 34 (ie. born abt. 1870) and the daughter's age is given as 2½ (ie. born abt. turn of the year 1901/1902). Both are marked down as 'British Subjects, English' (not marked down as 'Born in British Colonies'). regards, Barry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers My husbands Great grandfather: . Dirk Johannes DE WITT born - 5/01/1860 - died 12/07/1943 . In a copy of his will dated 19/03/1940 he states: "It is my special will and desire that the Coat of Arms, including the Seal, of my family shall neither be sold nor pawned but on my death shall pass to my daughter Maria Elizabeth CLOETE, presently in the care of Rhodesian Timber Company, Mpindo Siding, via Bulawayo, Southern Rhodesia, and at her death shall pass to Thomas William PORTER of the Berea Fire Station, Berea, Johannesburg" Anyone else tracking the DE WITTS - anyone heard anything about the seal and coat of Arms?? Jan De WIT cam to Cape Town as John WHITE -some interesting story about the name change - but what is the story?? Any help would be appreciated.. Thanks Dianne Butcher

Hello Listers, My husbands Grandmother - there is some mystery about her... . Olga Violet CALMEYER - 20/10/1899 Salt River, Cape . Sister Mary - born a couple of years later. On her birth certificate - parents- John CALMEYER & Mary FOSTER (we believe she was born in Bingley, Yorkshire)He was noted as a Furniture Storekeeper in JHB. His sister was Olga Ohlsson - she lived in Cape Town. I can find nothing about the parents - no deaths, no immigration etc Where was John Calmeyer born? When did he die? The story was that her parents both died when she was young (or maybe they went away.) She was put in the care of an American Missionary until she married in JHB 29.12.1919. Her grandchildren were told that she was Jewish and from Poland... Has anyone come across these names - in a cemetery maybe? Thank you Dianne Butcher

Hello South-africa-cape-town, I am trying to discover if my grandmother became a British or South African citizen. She was a Swedish national who arrived in South Africa in the late 1890's The record states Jenny Louise Stroberg took out British Citizenship Cert. No. 12393 on 9 June 1931. Does anyone know where could I search for further information? regards Gordon Donaldson 24 Kalimna Street Balwyn VIC 3103 Tel&Fax:03 9836 4147 Mob:0411 111 979 E-mail: bsaloons@pacific.net.au

Hi all, I've been on this list, rather passively, for about a year now and I think this is an appropriate time to request assistance. My grandmother came to South Africa as an orphan of the holocaust in 1946 (aged 13) and was accompanied by her late-grandfather's second wife, a woman who she called 'Oma' (German for grandmother I believe), but whose name was Hilda Mayer. She married Leon Mayer in Germany but he died shortly before they left for South Africa. I found the image of her cemetery stone on jewishcemetery.co.za which says: Hilda Mayer (born Maier), passed away 18th June 1970. Though I have found my grandmother's immigration papers (through Naairs), I cannot find any documentation about Hilda. I would appreciate any advice or guidance about this matter! Regards, Nick Groll nickgroll at gmail dot com

Hi Nick The estate papers from 1960 upwards are housed in the Master of the High Court in Cape Town. They are not online and your cannot order them online. You need to physically go in and apply to get copies. Master of the Western Cape High Court, Cape Town Master: Ms Z. Agulhas Tel: 021 - 410 8300 Fax:021 - 465 2574 Postal Address: Private Bag X9018, Cape Town, 8000 Physical Address: High Court, Parade Street, Cape Town, 8001 Office Hours for the Public: 08h00 - 13h00 Notes: Information available from 1951; all information before that can be found at the Archive, Old Roeland Prison, Tel: (021) 462 4050 Contact list for officials PDF http://www.justice.gov.za/master/contacts.htm regards Heather Heather MacAlister Channel Manager E  heather@ancestry24.co.za T  +27 (021) 406 4343 F +27 (0)86 5810390   Join us on Facebook  twitter.com/ancestry24  | Skype: ancestry24 5th Floor , 11 On Adderley, Adderley Str,Cape Town, 8001  |  ancestry24.co.za -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nick Groll Sent: 13 September 2012 10:28 AM To: Cape Town Rootsweb Mailing List Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Unable to find immigration or death papers... Hi all, I've been on this list, rather passively, for about a year now and I think this is an appropriate time to request assistance. My grandmother came to South Africa as an orphan of the holocaust in 1946 (aged 13) and was accompanied by her late-grandfather's second wife, a woman who she called 'Oma' (German for grandmother I believe), but whose name was Hilda Mayer. She married Leon Mayer in Germany but he died shortly before they left for South Africa. I found the image of her cemetery stone on jewishcemetery.co.za which says: Hilda Mayer (born Maier), passed away 18th June 1970. Though I have found my grandmother's immigration papers (through Naairs), I cannot find any documentation about Hilda. I would appreciate any advice or guidance about this matter! Regards, Nick Groll nickgroll at gmail dot com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5265 - Release Date: 09/12/12 This email and its contents are subject to an email legal notice that can be viewed at: http://www.naspers.com/email/disclaimer.html Should you be unable to access the link provided, please email us for a copy at csc@optinet.net Hierdie e-pos en sy inhoud is onderhewig aan 'n regskennisgewing oor elektroniese pos wat gelees kan word by http://www.naspers.com/epos/vrywaring.html 'n Afskrif kan aangevra word by csc@optinet.net

Hello Diana Thank you so much for your email. It's only a pleasure - I am here to help. The Cape Town archives only holds records for the Cape Province. So if someone died in Durban then their records would be at the Pietermaritzburg Archives. If Henry was in the South African Army then you would need to contact Department of Defence Archives To obtain access to this information, the members written permission is required, or if he/she is deceased, that of his/her next-of-kin. You are thus requested to submit the following documentation in order for your enquiry to proceed: a). A certified copy of the requester’s identity document or passport. b). A signed letter of permission from the member, if passed away. c). A certified death certificate of member, if passed away It the member has passed away, a signed letter of permission must be obtained from a living blood relative including proof of the identification. The approximately 3 million personnel records in the Department of Defence Archives are indexed according to a specific convention. You are therefore requested to provide the Documentation Centre with as much detail as possible regarding the person you are seeking information on. The following are guidelines: a. Force number b. Date of assumption of military service c. Date of discharge from military service d. Regiment/unit where the person served e. Name and address of next-of-kin at the time of his attestation Upon receipt of the required documentation, the matter will receive further attention. This law now falls under the new Access to Information Act (Act 2 of 2000), certain restrictions have been placed upon the release of information to third parties. Obtaining Military Documents Address: Street: Documentation Centre of the SANDF Department of Defence Private Bag X289 PRETORIA 0001 Tel: +27 (012) 322 6350 Fax: +27 (011) 322 6360 Email here Contact: Miss Louise Jooste South African servicemen’s records from the Army, Navy and Air Force are held in these archives. Copies of service records can be obtained if a written application is made. Access: Accessibility is in accordance with the National Archives of South Africa Act (Act No. 43 of 1996) and in the case of classified documentation accessibility is subject to approval of the Chief of Defence Intelligence of the Department of Defence. Brief history: The Department of Defence Archives was established as the SA Defence Force (SADF) Archives on 14 May 1968 following the approval by the Minister of Education of a separate military archives. Prior to this date an organisation for the preservation of the archives of the SADF Archives and its predecessor, the Union Defence Force, did exist but it had no legal status. The SADF Archives had a twofold function, namely to preserve the military archives and to undertake military historical research and history writing. It was therefore decided to rename it the Military Historical and Archival Service (MHAS). In response to the SADF’s requirements, the MHAS gradually developed into a documentation service and this resulted in another change of the name in October 1972. The organisation then became known as the Central Documentation Service. Sweeping changes to the SADF in 1974 resulted in the reference library service, including the Central Library, being integrated into the Central Documentation Service. This led to a change in the status of the organisation. On 1 February 1975 it became a directorate and was designated the Documentation Service Directorate. In 1982 the directorate’s functions were augmented considerably when the SADF’s museums and ethnology service were added to it. Its function then comprised the preservation and management of records and archives; research and history writing; the reference library service; the museum service; and the ethnology service. The organisation was named the Military Information Bureau. Regrettably the Military Information Bureau was disestablished on 31 December 1986 and some of its functions were decentralized to the arms of service. Fortunately the nucleus, namely the SADF Archives and the Military History Section as well as the Central Library, was retained as the SADF Archives. Early in 1991 the SADF’s personnel records were added to the SADF Archives. This warranted the re-instatement of an organisation with directorate status and the SADF Archives became part of Documentation Service Directorate. Following the election in 1994, the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) was established through the integration of the former statutory and non-statutory forces. On 1 April 1999 the name and status of this organisation was once again changed to bring the organisation in line with the transformation process, it is now known as the Documentation Centre. The Documentation Centre continued its functions and its archival service section, now known as t! he Department of Defence Archives, is still the official custodian of the documentation of the Department of Defence, the SANDF and its predecessors dating from 1912. Acquisitions policy: Documentation Centre (Department of Defence Archive) is the custodian of the archives of the Department of Defence/SANDF since its inception in 1912 as the Union Defence Force. All records of offices of the Department of Defence are transferred to the Department of Defence Archives when they are ten years old or older. Areas of specialisation: The Department of Defence Archives specializes in military history. It houses the official records of the Department of Defence as well as a collection of unique publications, unit history files, photographs, maps and pamphlets pertaining to the Department of Defence/SANDF and its predecessors dating from 1912. The Personnel Archives and Reserves (PAR) which also forms part of Documentation Centre, houses the personnel records of all former members of the SANDF and its predecessors. These personnel files are invaluable as a source for biographical details. Documentation Centre is also in possession of a collection of files pertaining to the Anglo-Boer War (1899-1902). It consists of applications by members of the South African Republican Forces during the 1920′s for the following medals: the “Dekoratie voor Trouwe Dienst Anglo-Boereoorlog”, the “De Zuidafrikaanse Republiek en Oranje Vrijstaat Oorlogsmedalje” and the “Lint voor Verwonding ! opgedaan gedurende de Anglo-Boereoorlog”. Core holdings: The Documentation Centre currently houses approximately two million files consisting of 1 607 different archival groups and approximately 250 680 personnel files. The most frequently consulted archival groups are as follows: Adjutant General. Chief of the General Staff. Commandant General. Director General Air Force. Divisional Documents. Naval Ships Logs. Chief of the Navy Ships Logs. Quartermaster General. Secretary for Defence. Union War Histories. Various War Diaries for the First and Second World Wars. Finding aids: The main finding aids used at Documentation Centre comprise of the List of Archives, inventories, indexes and a computer retrieval system. The List of Archives reflects the entire content of the repository. Information such as the name of the archival group, abbreviation, the extent of the group in terms of archive boxes, the location and security classification are provided. Inventories provide detailed information on the content of each archival group. The items are described individually according to the title of the file, the file reference, the dates and the box number. Card indexes are available for the book, manuscript and map collections. Approximately 120 000 documents are available on the computer retrieval system of which about 48 000 are photographs. This represents only a small portion of the total holdings. Kind regards Heather Heather MacAlister Channel Manager E  heather@ancestry24.co.za T  +27 (021) 406 4343 F +27 (0)86 5810390   Join us on Facebook  twitter.com/ancestry24  | Skype: ancestry24 5th Floor , 11 On Adderley, Adderley Str,Cape Town, 8001  |  ancestry24.co.za -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diana McCarthy Sent: 11 September 2012 03:38 PM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Trying to trace - FULLER - HENRY ERNEST - BORN 28 SEPTEMBER 1888, PUTNEY, ENGLAND, UK Hi Heather Thank you so very much for getting back to me so quickly, and, yes, it was me who contacted you before ! I have been posting messages all over South Africa in my attempt to trace dear old 'Uncle Henry', so please forgive me for bothering you again ! However, thank you so much, I was absolutely thrilled to receive the adoption news and perhaps this could start a new line of enquiry. Would I be right in assuming that Henry and his wife Ethel must have had South African citizenship in order to adopt in the country? Sadly, I have no idea as to where the Fullers lived but, as Henry worked for Prices Candles,I had assumed that he lived near their offices at 84-86 Carr Strret, Newtown, Johannesburg. However, I have just found out that in 1909, Prices's Candles Ltd bought Burmeister Candle factory in Cape Town and that the land and the buildings were sold in 1923 and a new factory was built in Observatory. Do the Cape Town Archives - KAB- only hold documents for Cape Town and the Western Cape or do their records include the whole of South Africa? If it is the former then I presume that the Fullers must have lived somewhere in the vacinity of Cape Town. If the Fullers had permanently left South Africa and either returned to the UK or emigrated to another country, would there be some sort of record held in South Africa and who could I approach for help? I realise I have no rank or serial number for Henry's military service in the South African Army during WW1, but is there anyone you think I could go to for some help in tracing his records? Once again Heather , a huge thank you for all your help - it is so greatly appreciated. Kind regards Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@ancestry24.co.za> To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Trying to trace - FULLER - HENRY ERNEST - BORN 28 SEPTEMBER 1888, PUTNEY, ENGLAND, UK > Hi Diana > I recall someone awhile ago enquiring about this exact same family. > There is no record in the archives except for this couple adopting a > child. Unfortunately these records are not open to the public at all. > No death notice in the archives for either which might mean the left > the country > > > DEPOT KAB > SOURCE 1/PEZ > TYPE LEERS > VOLUME_NO 2 > SYSTEM 01 > REFERENCE 26/2/71 > PART 1 > DESCRIPTION CHILDREN'S ADOPTION ACT. EVANS, AGNES HOPE. ADOPTING > PARENTS: > FULLER, HENRY AND ETHEL. > STARTING 1926 > ENDING 1926 > > > Do you not have a address for them in South Africa? > Regards > Heather > > Heather MacAlister > Channel Manager Ancestry24 > 5th Floor, 11 Adderley Street > Cape Town > 8001 > http://.ancestry24.com > Skype: ancestry24 > > > > On 09 Sep 2012, at 13:11, "Diana McCarthy" > <diana.mccarthy1@ntlworld.com<mailto:diana.mccarthy1@ntlworld.com>> wrote: > > I wonder if anyone could help me or point me in the right direction! > > I live in England, UK & I am trying to assist my Uncle who is now in > his 87th year, to trace what happened to his Uncle, who we believe > emigrated to South Africa in the early nineteen hundreds. > > We know he served in the South African Army in the First World War, > and any information regarding his life would be so greatly appreciated. > > The details we have are as follows: > > > Name: Henry Ernest Fuller > > Birth: 28 September 1888 > > Location: Putney, Surrey, England > > Parents: William Henry Fuller and Rosa Jane (nee Maunders) > > Military: Joined the South African Army in the First World War > > > My Uncle seems to remember his father telling him that Henry Ernest > and his wife adopted a child - possibly a daughter. > > > We know that he was 'Single' and still living in England with his > Parents & Siblings from the '1911 England & Wales Census.' > > > Taken from the 'UK Incoming Passenger Lists' of 28 April 1922 and the > 'Passenger Lists leaving the UK' of the 13 September 1922 we have > found this additional information: > > > Occupation: Commercial Traveller for 'Prices (SA) Ltd' Candle Makers. > > Wife: Ethel Maude ( Fuller ) > > > We can find no trace of his marriage in the UK and wondered if this > took place in South Africa sometime between 1911 -1922. What > nationality was Ethel Maude and did he meet her sometime during the First World War? > > > We have also found out that in 1910,'Prices Candles' acquired its > first overseas factory in Johannesburg and by 1915 the company owned > six factories in South Africa, Shanghai and Chile. The Company then > went on to construct factories in Rhodesia, Morocco, Pakistan, New > Zealand and Sri Lanka. > > > My Uncle has been an avid genealogist for well over forty years now > and the hundreds of names that appear on his family tree are quite > astonishing ! There were no computers when he started and the amount > of hard work that went into producing his tree is amazing. 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Hi Gordon In the Cape Town National Archives you will find her estate papers DEPOT TAB SOURCE MHG TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 0 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 3531/47 PART 1 DESCRIPTION STROBERG, JENNIE LOUISA. BORN OLANDER. STARTING 19470000 ENDING 19470000 REMARKS PREDECEASED SPOUSE JOHAN PETER STROBERG. As are new to genealogy in South Africa I suggest you download our free English beginners guide http://ancestry24.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ancestry24BeginnersGuide_20090703_lowres.pdf and read about what documents are accessible in South Africa and which ones are not. Estate papers will include a will, liquidation and distribution account, death certificate and a death notice. Death notices as we know them today only came into existence in 1834 and sometimes it took several years until someone filled it in. However there were also death notices earlier than 1834 for slaves which appear in the deeds office as slaves were listed as property and not people. These early death notices can be found under the following references in the Cape Town Archives: KAB MOOC 6/1/ Vol 3 (year 1758 - 1796) KAB MOOC 6/2/ (year 1797 - 1821) KAB MOOC 6/3/ Volume 4 (year 1822 - 1833). KAB MOOC 6/9/ Volume 1 (year 1833 +) MHG Pretoria Archives MSCE A Death Notice is the official documentation handed to the Master of the High Court whose office has jurisdiction over the estate. It is used for informing the Master whether the deceased had assets, property or possessions to be passed on to heirs or claimants such as creditors, providing names of potential heirs, supplying the Master with details of where the deceased resided at the time of death and informing the Master whether the person reporting on the death is qualified to do so. Want to know more? The Death Notice contains fields for the following information: . Surname of deceased . Full first names . Identity number . Nationality . Age . Occupation . Ordinary place(s) of residence during the 12 months prior to death and the Province(s). . Date of birth . Place of birth . Date of death . Has the deceased left a will? . Marital status at time of death . If married, place where married . Full names of surviving spouse and his/her occupation . State whether marriage was in or out of community of property/whether accrual system is applicable . (a) Name(s) of predeceased spouse(s) and/or divorced spouse(s) (state opposite name of each whether predeceased or divorced) . (b) Date of death of predeceased spouse(s) . Master's office(s) where predeceased estate(s) is/are registered and number(s) of estate(s), if available. . Full names of children of deceased (state whether major or minor or predeceased and in the latter event, whether they left issue and, if that be the case, the full names of such issue) . Names of parents of deceased (state whether parents alive or deceased). o (a) Father o (b) Mother . Name and address of person signing the death notice. . Dated at ... the ... day . Signature ..... . Capacity...... One must bear in mind that when a person dies, the family is distraught and one of the members of the family will normally be the person filling in the Death Notice. Expect errors in the information given if: . child has died before his/her parents, the child may not always be listed. . the deceased has been married more than once - the first spouse is sometimes omitted . a neighbour or friend filled in the form, they would not necessarily know who the deceased's parents were, but sometimes guess. Sometimes the death notice states a female's surname as her maiden name (especially in Afrikaans families), even though she is married. People also tended to lie about their ages or sometimes do not know when and where they were born. Please remember that a death notice could either be perfect, semi-perfect or completely inaccurate and could send you on the wrong trail in tracing your ancestors. Make sure that you have other resources to complement and verify this information. d) Death Certificate A full death certificate can include the following information: . Christian Names and Surname of deceased . Name of parent or guardian is the deceased is under the age of ten years old . Sex . Age . Race . Birthplace . Personal Status . Occupation . Pensioner or dependent of pensioner . Date of death . Place of death . Usual place of residence . Intended place of burial . Causes of death . Duration of disease of last illness . Name of Medical Practitioner Informant . Signature or mark of . Qualification . Residence Kind regards Heather Heather MacAlister Channel Manager E  heather@ancestry24.co.za T  +27 (021) 406 4343 F +27 (0)86 5810390   Join us on Facebook  twitter.com/ancestry24  | Skype: ancestry24 5th Floor , 11 On Adderley, Adderley Str,Cape Town, 8001  |  ancestry24.co.za -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gordon D Donaldson Sent: 13 September 2012 08:14 AM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Citizenship Hello South-africa-cape-town, I am trying to discover if my grandmother became a British or South African citizen. She was a Swedish national who arrived in South Africa in the late 1890's The record states Jenny Louise Stroberg took out British Citizenship Cert. No. 12393 on 9 June 1931. Does anyone know where could I search for further information? regards Gordon Donaldson 24 Kalimna Street Balwyn VIC 3103 Tel&Fax:03 9836 4147 Mob:0411 111 979 E-mail: bsaloons@pacific.net.au ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5264 - Release Date: 09/12/12 This email and its contents are subject to an email legal notice that can be viewed at: http://www.naspers.com/email/disclaimer.html Should you be unable to access the link provided, please email us for a copy at csc@optinet.net Hierdie e-pos en sy inhoud is onderhewig aan 'n regskennisgewing oor elektroniese pos wat gelees kan word by http://www.naspers.com/epos/vrywaring.html 'n Afskrif kan aangevra word by csc@optinet.net

Hi Heather Thank you so very much for getting back to me so quickly, and, yes, it was me who contacted you before ! I have been posting messages all over South Africa in my attempt to trace dear old 'Uncle Henry', so please forgive me for bothering you again ! However, thank you so much, I was absolutely thrilled to receive the adoption news and perhaps this could start a new line of enquiry. Would I be right in assuming that Henry and his wife Ethel must have had South African citizenship in order to adopt in the country? Sadly, I have no idea as to where the Fullers lived but, as Henry worked for Prices Candles,I had assumed that he lived near their offices at 84-86 Carr Strret, Newtown, Johannesburg. However, I have just found out that in 1909, Prices's Candles Ltd bought Burmeister Candle factory in Cape Town and that the land and the buildings were sold in 1923 and a new factory was built in Observatory. Do the Cape Town Archives - KAB- only hold documents for Cape Town and the Western Cape or do their records include the whole of South Africa? If it is the former then I presume that the Fullers must have lived somewhere in the vacinity of Cape Town. If the Fullers had permanently left South Africa and either returned to the UK or emigrated to another country, would there be some sort of record held in South Africa and who could I approach for help? I realise I have no rank or serial number for Henry's military service in the South African Army during WW1, but is there anyone you think I could go to for some help in tracing his records? Once again Heather , a huge thank you for all your help - it is so greatly appreciated. Kind regards Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@ancestry24.co.za> To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Trying to trace - FULLER - HENRY ERNEST - BORN 28 SEPTEMBER 1888, PUTNEY, ENGLAND, UK > Hi Diana > I recall someone awhile ago enquiring about this exact same family. > There is no record in the archives except for this couple adopting a > child. Unfortunately these records are not open to the public at all. > No death notice in the archives for either which might mean the left the > country > > > DEPOT KAB > SOURCE 1/PEZ > TYPE LEERS > VOLUME_NO 2 > SYSTEM 01 > REFERENCE 26/2/71 > PART 1 > DESCRIPTION CHILDREN'S ADOPTION ACT. EVANS, AGNES HOPE. ADOPTING > PARENTS: > FULLER, HENRY AND ETHEL. > STARTING 1926 > ENDING 1926 > > > Do you not have a address for them in South Africa? > Regards > Heather > > Heather MacAlister > Channel Manager Ancestry24 > 5th Floor, 11 Adderley Street > Cape Town > 8001 > http://.ancestry24.com > Skype: ancestry24 > > > > On 09 Sep 2012, at 13:11, "Diana McCarthy" > <diana.mccarthy1@ntlworld.com<mailto:diana.mccarthy1@ntlworld.com>> wrote: > > I wonder if anyone could help me or point me in the right direction! > > I live in England, UK & I am trying to assist my Uncle who is now in his > 87th year, to trace what happened to his Uncle, who we believe emigrated > to South Africa in the early nineteen hundreds. > > We know he served in the South African Army in the First World War, and > any information regarding his life would be so greatly appreciated. > > The details we have are as follows: > > > Name: Henry Ernest Fuller > > Birth: 28 September 1888 > > Location: Putney, Surrey, England > > Parents: William Henry Fuller and Rosa Jane (nee Maunders) > > Military: Joined the South African Army in the First World War > > > My Uncle seems to remember his father telling him that Henry Ernest and > his wife adopted a child - possibly a daughter. > > > We know that he was 'Single' and still living in England with his Parents > & Siblings from the '1911 England & Wales Census.' > > > Taken from the 'UK Incoming Passenger Lists' of 28 April 1922 and the > 'Passenger Lists leaving the UK' of the 13 September 1922 we have found > this additional information: > > > Occupation: Commercial Traveller for 'Prices (SA) Ltd' Candle Makers. > > Wife: Ethel Maude ( Fuller ) > > > We can find no trace of his marriage in the UK and wondered if this took > place in South Africa sometime between 1911 -1922. What nationality was > Ethel Maude and did he meet her sometime during the First World War? > > > We have also found out that in 1910,'Prices Candles' acquired its first > overseas factory in Johannesburg and by 1915 the company owned six > factories in South Africa, Shanghai and Chile. The Company then went on to > construct factories in Rhodesia, Morocco, Pakistan, New Zealand and Sri > Lanka. > > > My Uncle has been an avid genealogist for well over forty years now and > the hundreds of names that appear on his family tree are quite astonishing > ! There were no computers when he started and the amount of hard work that > went into producing his tree is amazing. I would love to tell him what > happened to his Uncle Henry so that he could complete that side of his > family tree. > > > Thank you so very much. > > Kind regards > > Diana > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5257 - Release Date: 09/08/12 > > This email and its contents are subject to an email legal notice that can > be viewed at: http://www.naspers.com/email/disclaimer.html Should you be > unable to access the link provided, please email us for a copy at > csc@optinet.net > Hierdie e-pos en sy inhoud is onderhewig aan 'n regskennisgewing oor > elektroniese pos wat gelees kan word by > http://www.naspers.com/epos/vrywaring.html 'n Afskrif kan aangevra word by > csc@optinet.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maria I had a look on Ancestry.co.uk and found James in the 1911 Census: Address 32 Greenmount Place, Beeston Hill, Leeds James Alfred Johnson 40 married 5 years Born Manchester Amelia Elizabeth 40 married 5 years Born Galoway Doreen Isobel 4 Born Cathcart Cape Colony S. Africa * occupation looks like controller? Employed in a sea merchant (fold on page and handwriting difficult to read) Birth: Dec q 1870 Salford 8d 10 - loads of churches in the area but not all had baptism records after 1837. I did check those on the Lancashire Parish Archives that did do it after 1837, but no record of James Albert. There are quite a couple of James A Johnsons born in Salford in the census records - so not sure which is the right one. 1871 Census - Pendleton (registration district Salford) William Johnson 29 miner born Salford Hannah Johnson 29 born Manchester William 6 born Pendleton Mary 4 born Pendleton Joseph 2 born Salford James A 7 months born Pendleton 1881 Census - Pendleton in Salford (12 Arthur Street) James Johnson 48 shoeing smith born Bishop Milton Mary 34 cotton weaver unemployed born Manchester James A 12 scholar born Salford John 11 scholar born Salford Isabella 3 born Pendleton Francis 2 months born Salford It is a pity your Johnsons aren't from North Meols, Southport, Lancashire as I have just finished copying the transcriptions from the archives site. So I have loads of information on hand. All my Johnsons are originally from there before they established themselves in Liverpool. Hope this helps. Regards Carrie Laing -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maria Karimi Sent: 10 September 2012 16:12 To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Johnson/Halligan My Great Grandparents lived in Cape Town, South Africa for a while and were married there.  I'm looking for their marriage certificate.   His name was James Alfred Johnson  (born Manchester, England around 1870)  Her name was Amelia Elizabeth Halligan (born Galway, Ireland around 1870).   Their first daughter was Doreen Isabel, born 8th Sept 1906 in district of Cathcart, in the colony of the Cape of Good Hope.  Their residence was Flerscher Street, Cathcart. This makes me think they were married around 1904-5. James worked as a time keeper on the South African Railways and Amelia was in service. I believe they moved back to England before the war of 1911. I'm hoping to find their marriage certificate.  Can anyone help? Thanks, Maria Karimi ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi! I'm sure that it should read 'Inniskillings' not Innis Schillings Neville Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] WALTERS ancestry (Ireland toPietermarizburg, Natal, South Africa) > Hello Fellow Listers > > Is anyone able to shed any light on the below paragraph below please? > > "Great Grandfather... Jack Norman Victor Walters came to S A Boer War > 1899 1092 Innis Schillings Dragoons.... Irish . > On mobilization of Innis Schillings Dragoons should be graded with Royal > and Scots Greys... landed Queenstown 23 /24/ 25/ 1899 on SS Jamaican. SS > Siberian...S S Persia...228 Officers ...558 on Commissioned Officers and > Men 496 Horses..." > > My second great grandfather, John Charles WALTERS (aka Charlie), was born > in unknown circa 1863/64. > (His sons being Charles James Edward WALTERS - Pte, South African Medical > Corps 1917/18; Pte, First South African Infantry Brigade 1918/1919; John > WALTERS and Victor WALTERS). > His younger brother, Norman WALTERS, was born in unknown circa 1865/66. > (No sons to my knowledge & a daughter christened Methodist). > Their younger/older brother, George Jack WALTERS, was born in unknown > circa unknown. > (His son was named after him). > All the brothers' children were born in Pietermaritzburg, Natal from Feb > 1899 to Mar 1917. > > We believe Jack Norman Victor WALTERS (born in unknown circa 1840) to be > the father of the above-mentioned sons surely making him too old to have > enlisted in the Boer War in 1899? > > Kind regards, > Tara (born SHRIVES) > taraanorton@gmail.com > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > NCT FORESTRY CO-OPERATIVE LIMITED > http://www.nctforest.com > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify us by return email. > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by Eset > Mail Security for the presence of computer viruses. > http://www.eset.com > ________________________________ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have an aunt Gwladys too. No Welsh that I know of though! Patricia Frykberg -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lorraine Howard" <lorrainehoward@eircom.net> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 4:28 AM To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Digest, Vol 7,Issue 195 > Dear Tara > > Just to correct a spelling for you. The Gwladys that you transcribed is > correctly spelt. It is the Welsh for Gladys and the name you had as > Myfanny > is actually Myfanwy - also a Welsh girl's name. My mum was Welsh and my > godmother is Gwladys and just checked with my aunt about the spelling of > Myfanwy. > Hope this helps with any other transcriptions. > I love reading all your work and look forward to getting the next bulletin > a > soon as I have read the current one! Thank you so much for doing them for > us. > All the best > Lorraine Howard nee Shum. I was born and brought up in Durban but now > live > in Ireland. > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-cape-town-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 10:31 AM > To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com > Subject: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 195 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. DOMESTIC NOTICES, THE NATAL WITNESS, JUL 19 - 23, 1923 > (Tara Norton) > 2. DOMESTIC NOTICES, THE NATAL WITNESS, JUL 24 - 27, 1923 > (Tara Norton) > 3. Re: DOMESTIC NOTICES, THE NATAL WITNESS, JUL 19 - 23, 1923 > (Allan Isaacs) > 4. Re: DOMESTIC NOTICES, THE NATAL WITNESS, JUL 19 - 23, 1923 > (Tara Norton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:08:56 +0000 > From: Tara Norton <tara@nctforest.com> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] DOMESTIC NOTICES, THE NATAL WITNESS, > JUL 19 - 23, 1923 > To: "KWAZULU-NATAL-SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com" > <KWAZULU-NATAL-SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com>, > "south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com" > <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com>, > "'south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com' > (south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com)" > <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com>, "OFS List > (SOUTH-AFRICA-ORANGE-FREE-STATE@rootsweb.com)" > <SOUTH-AFRICA-ORANGE-FREE-STATE@rootsweb.com>, > "BUITENPOSTEN@rootsweb.com" <BUITENPOSTEN@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <D1D4A81D49908C46A3F187FED211C883100E7B7E@NCTEX1.nctforest.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > THURSDAY, 19 JULY, 1923 > FORSYTH. - At Glenavon, 79 Howick Road, Maritzburg, to Mr. and Mrs. D.G. > FORSYTH a daughter. Both well. 2628 > > DEATHS > CRAIG. - Passed peacefully away at Elizabeth District, Vrede, after an > illness of four days, Wallace Dalziel CRAIG, late of Estcourt, Natal. > 5098 > > GRIFFIN. - William Henry. Died at his residence on the 14th July, 1923 in > his 71st year. 2649 > > IN MEMORIAM > PHILLIPS. - In Loving Memory of our darling Mummy and Daddy, who died at > the > Cambrian, Dannhauser. > You are not forgotten, > Nor ever will you be, > As long as life and memory last. > We will always think of you. > Inserted by Gwladys and Myfanny PHILLIPS, late of South Africa. 2629 > (Note: Should read 'Gladys'?). > > IN MEMORIAM > ROLL OF HONOUR > CORLETT. - In fond and Loving Memory of Private John James CORLETT, 2nd > S.A.I., killed in action, Delville Wood, July 19, 1916. > Until the day Breaks. > Inserted by Mother, Sisters and Brother. > > > FRIDAY, 20 JULY, 1923 > BIRTHS > FORSYTH. - At Glenavon, 79 Howick Road, Maritzburg, to Mr. and Mrs. D.G. > FORSYTH (nee BLAKE) a daughter. Both well. 2628 > > DEATHS > CRAIG. - Passed peacefully away at Elizabeth District, Vrede, after an > illness of four days, Wallace Dalziel CRAIG, late of Estcourt, Natal. > 5098 > > GRIFFIN. - William Henry. Died at his residence on the 14th July, 1923 in > his 71st year. 2649 > > IN MEMORIAM > CRERAR. - In loving memory of Alexander (Sandy) CRERAR who passed away on > the 20th July, 1922. > Inserted by his loving Wife, Tom and Lillian. > To Memory ever Dear. 2669 > > POSTNOT. - In loving memory of our dear Sister (Mamie) who passed away > 20th > July, 1919. Fondly remembered by all at 143, Greyling Street. 2662 > > POSTNOT. - In loving memory of my dear Sister (Mim.) Mary Ann POSNOT who > died July 20th, 1919. > Though time may bring its soothing Cheer. > And other may forget. > To me she'll be for ever dear. > In truth I mourn her yet. > Inserted by her sorrowing Sister and Brother, Carrie and Willie. 2677 > > POSNOT. - In loving memory of my dear Wife and Mother, Mary Ann POSNOT, > who > departed this life on the 20th July, 1919. > Just four years ago you left us, > How we miss your loving face, > But you left us to remember > None on earth can fill your place. > We do not know the pain she bore, > We did not see her die. > We only knew we were a few minutes too late > To ever say good-bye. > Inserted by her loving Husband and Children. 2689 > > > SATURDAY, 21 JULY, 1923 > BIRTHS > FORSYTH. - At Glenavon, 79 Howick Road, Maritzburg, to Mr. and Mrs. D.G. > FORSYTH (nee BLAKE) a daughter. Both well. 2628 > > JACKSON. - At the Sanatorium, Maritzburg, on the 19th inst. to Mr. and > Mrs. > Leslie JACKSON, (nee GAGE) a son. 2715 > > > MONDAY, 23 JULY, 1923 > BIRTHS > CUNNINGHAM. - At Keerom, Byrne, to Mr. and Mrs. E.W. CUNNINGHAM, a son. > 2757 > > SIMPSON. - At Kokstad Hospital, on July 13th, 1923, to Mr and Mrs C H > SIMPSON of Government School, Harding, a son. Both well. 2756 > > DEATHS > NIXON. - At Murchison Street, Ladysmith on the 16th July, suddenly, George > Eccles, late Sergt. S.A.P., beloved husband of K.M. NIXON. > > PINSON. - On the 21st July at 151 Pietermaritz Street, Maritzburg, > Adelaide > Louisa PINSON, widow of Henry PINSON. Aged 89 years. Deeply mourned. > > TYRRELL. - "Hillside," New Amalfi, East Griqualand on the 17th July, > Florence Emily, wife of Lancelot E.N. TYRRELL and niece of the late Peter > Davis, "Morningside." 5185 > > > > Transcribed by: > > Tara NORTON (born SHRIVES) > > taraanorton@gmail.com<mailto:taraanorton@gmail.com> > > Researching: ATKINSON (ENG), BENECKE, KILLERBY (ENG), (GOLDSMITH-)LESTER > (GER/IRE), LOURENS, MARTIN, MILLER, MILLIKEN (IRE), PARKER, SHRIVES (IRE), > WALTERS, WINGHAM (ENG) > > and related families. > > > > ________________________________ > NCT FORESTRY CO-OPERATIVE LIMITED > http://www.nctforest.com > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify us by return email. > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by Eset > Mail Security for the presence of computer viruses. > http://www.eset.com > ________________________________ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:17:56 +0000 > From: Tara Norton <tara@nctforest.com> > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] DOMESTIC NOTICES, THE NATAL WITNESS, > JUL 24 - 27, 1923 > To: "KWAZULU-NATAL-SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com" > <KWAZULU-NATAL-SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com>, > "south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com" > <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com>, > "'south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com' > (south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com)" > <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com>, "OFS List > (SOUTH-AFRICA-ORANGE-FREE-STATE@rootsweb.com)" > <SOUTH-AFRICA-ORANGE-FREE-STATE@rootsweb.com>, > "BUITENPOSTEN@rootsweb.com" <BUITENPOSTEN@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <D1D4A81D49908C46A3F187FED211C883100E7BA6@NCTEX1.nctforest.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > TUESDAY, 24 JULY, 1923 > DEATHS > TYRRELL. - "Hillside," New Amalfi, East Griqualand on the 17th July, > Florence Emily, wife of Lancelot E.N. TYRRELL and niece of the late Peter > Davis, "Morningside." 5185 > > IN MEMORIAM > KNIPE. - In loving memory of my dear husband and our Father, Richard > KNIPE, > who passed away July 24, 1913. > Gone but not Forgotten. 2789 > > > WEDNESDAY, 25 JULY, 1923 > BIRTHS > LINDSAY. - At the Sanatorium, 23rd, July, 1923, to Mr. and Mrs. R.A. > LINDSAY, Merrivale, a daughter. Both well. 2836 > > MORCOM. - At Claribel Nursing Home, Durban, on July 21st, 1923, to Mr. and > Mrs. Aubrey MORCOM of Northdene, a son. Both well. 5229 > > PENISTON. - On July 22nd at Endfield Nursing Home to the wife of Charles > N. > PENISTON, Mount Shannon, Deepdale, a son. 5227 > > FRICKER. - At Harrismith, on 13th July, Arthur FRICKER, aged 75 and 11 > months. Late Quarter-master Sergeant of the 13th L.I., and for many years > a > resident of Maritzburg. > > PINSON. - On the 21st July at 151 Pietermaritz Street, Maritzburg, > Adelaide > Louisa PINSON, widow of Henry PINSON. Aged 89 years. Deeply Mourned. > 5191 > > > THURSDAY, 26 JULY, 1923 > BIRTHS > BOSSE. - At the Sanatorium, Maritzburg, to Mr. and Mrs. G.W. BOSSE (nee > PALMER) Strathcona, on July 13th, a daughter. Both well. 2855 > > MARRIAGES > ELLIOTT-CLINTON. - On July 7th, 1923, at The Sheiling, Greenwood Park, by > the Rev. A. LAMONT, M.A., B.D., Herbert Paul, third son of Mr. and Mrs. > ELLIOTT, of Maritzburg, to Caroline Mary, > only daughter of Mr. and Mrs. W.J. CLINTON, of Greenwood Park. 2859 > > IN MEMORIAM > BONNEY. - In loving memory of my dear wife, Annie, who passed away on the > 26th July, 1921, at Dannhauser. 2849 > > BONNEY. - In loving memory of Mother, who departed this life on the 26th > July, 1921. > Gone but not Forgotten. > Inserted by her loving son. 2840 > > DAVIES. - In affectionate remembrance of M. DAVIES, beloved wife and > mother, > who passed away at Hlobane on July 26th, 1920. > Inserted by her loving husband and family. 2872 > > > FRIDAY, 27 JULY, 1923 > BIRTHS > BROKENSHA. - On 23rd inst. at the Sanatorium, Estcourt, to Mr. and Mrs. > A.F. > BROKENSHA, a son. Both doing well. 5300 > > MARRIAGES > HOLMES-HOPTON. - On 23rd July in Durban by Special Licence, P.V. HOLMES to > Ethel HOPTON (nee GRAY), both of Newcastle. 5305 > > IN MEMORIAM > WALKER. - In loving memory of William Henry WALKER, who passed peacefully > away at Pietermaritzburg, on 27th July, 1914. 5881 > > > > Transcribed by: > > Tara NORTON (born SHRIVES) > > taraanorton@gmail.com<mailto:taraanorton@gmail.com> > > Researching: ATKINSON (ENG), BENECKE, KILLERBY (ENG), (GOLDSMITH-)LESTER > (GER/IRE), LOURENS, MARTIN, MILLER, MILLIKEN (IRE), PARKER, SHRIVES (IRE), > WALTERS, WINGHAM (ENG) > > and related families. > > > > ________________________________ > NCT FORESTRY CO-OPERATIVE LIMITED > http://www.nctforest.com > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify us by return email. > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by Eset > Mail Security for the presence of computer viruses. > http://www.eset.com > ________________________________ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 10:26:06 +0100 > From: "Allan Isaacs" <allan.isaacs@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] DOMESTIC NOTICES, THE NATAL > WITNESS, JUL 19 - 23, 1923 > To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <EE3E734BC554436F90EEFB25D2B2B713@P965> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Tara > I've just been asked to trace a family with the surnames Hargreaves, > Jurgensen and Logan (some with Army connections) > Just about to depart for a weeks holiday, but when I get back I shall look > through hundreds of these really informative emails, which I've saved, for > matches.. > I think there's a smidgin of Southern Rhodesia thrown in for good measure. > Cheers > Allan > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tara > Norton > Sent: 07 September 2012 10:09 > To: KWAZULU-NATAL-SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com; > south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com; > 'south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com'(south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb. > com); OFS List(SOUTH-AFRICA-ORANGE-FREE-STATE@rootsweb.com); > BUITENPOSTEN@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] DOMESTIC NOTICES, THE NATAL WITNESS,JUL > 19 > - 23, 1923 > > THURSDAY, 19 JULY, 1923 > FORSYTH. - At Glenavon, 79 Howick Road, Maritzburg, to Mr. and Mrs. D.G. > FORSYTH a daughter. Both well. 2628 > > DEATHS > CRAIG. - Passed peacefully away at Elizabeth District, Vrede, after an > illness of four days, Wallace Dalziel CRAIG, late of Estcourt, Natal. > 5098 > > GRIFFIN. - William Henry. Died at his residence on the 14th July, 1923 in > his 71st year. 2649 > > IN MEMORIAM > PHILLIPS. - In Loving Memory of our darling Mummy and Daddy, who died at > the > Cambrian, Dannhauser. > You are not forgotten, > Nor ever will you be, > As long as life and memory last. > We will always think of you. > Inserted by Gwladys and Myfanny PHILLIPS, late of South Africa. 2629 > (Note: Should read 'Gladys'?). > > IN MEMORIAM > ROLL OF HONOUR > CORLETT. - In fond and Loving Memory of Private John James CORLETT, 2nd > S.A.I., killed in action, Delville Wood, July 19, 1916. > Until the day Breaks. > Inserted by Mother, Sisters and Brother. > > > FRIDAY, 20 JULY, 1923 > BIRTHS > FORSYTH. - At Glenavon, 79 Howick Road, Maritzburg, to Mr. and Mrs. D.G. > FORSYTH (nee BLAKE) a daughter. Both well. 2628 > > DEATHS > CRAIG. - Passed peacefully away at Elizabeth District, Vrede, after an > illness of four days, Wallace Dalziel CRAIG, late of Estcourt, Natal. > 5098 > > GRIFFIN. - William Henry. Died at his residence on the 14th July, 1923 in > his 71st year. 2649 > > IN MEMORIAM > CRERAR. - In loving memory of Alexander (Sandy) CRERAR who passed away on > the 20th July, 1922. > Inserted by his loving Wife, Tom and Lillian. > To Memory ever Dear. 2669 > > POSTNOT. - In loving memory of our dear Sister (Mamie) who passed away > 20th > July, 1919. Fondly remembered by all at 143, Greyling Street. 2662 > > POSTNOT. - In loving memory of my dear Sister (Mim.) Mary Ann POSNOT who > died July 20th, 1919. > Though time may bring its soothing Cheer. > And other may forget. > To me she'll be for ever dear. > In truth I mourn her yet. > Inserted by her sorrowing Sister and Brother, Carrie and Willie. 2677 > > POSNOT. - In loving memory of my dear Wife and Mother, Mary Ann POSNOT, > who > departed this life on the 20th July, 1919. > Just four years ago you left us, > How we miss your loving face, > But you left us to remember > None on earth can fill your place. > We do not know the pain she bore, > We did not see her die. > We only knew we were a few minutes too late To ever say good-bye. > Inserted by her loving Husband and Children. 2689 > > > SATURDAY, 21 JULY, 1923 > BIRTHS > FORSYTH. - At Glenavon, 79 Howick Road, Maritzburg, to Mr. and Mrs. D.G. > FORSYTH (nee BLAKE) a daughter. Both well. 2628 > > JACKSON. - At the Sanatorium, Maritzburg, on the 19th inst. to Mr. and > Mrs. > Leslie JACKSON, (nee GAGE) a son. 2715 > > > MONDAY, 23 JULY, 1923 > BIRTHS > CUNNINGHAM. - At Keerom, Byrne, to Mr. and Mrs. E.W. CUNNINGHAM, a son. > 2757 > > SIMPSON. - At Kokstad Hospital, on July 13th, 1923, to Mr and Mrs C H > SIMPSON of Government School, Harding, a son. Both well. 2756 > > DEATHS > NIXON. - At Murchison Street, Ladysmith on the 16th July, suddenly, George > Eccles, late Sergt. S.A.P., beloved husband of K.M. NIXON. > > PINSON. - On the 21st July at 151 Pietermaritz Street, Maritzburg, > Adelaide > Louisa PINSON, widow of Henry PINSON. Aged 89 years. Deeply mourned. > > TYRRELL. - "Hillside," New Amalfi, East Griqualand on the 17th July, > Florence Emily, wife of Lancelot E.N. TYRRELL and niece of the late Peter > Davis, "Morningside." 5185 > > > > Transcribed by: > > Tara NORTON (born SHRIVES) > > taraanorton@gmail.com<mailto:taraanorton@gmail.com> > > Researching: ATKINSON (ENG), BENECKE, KILLERBY (ENG), (GOLDSMITH-)LESTER > (GER/IRE), LOURENS, MARTIN, MILLER, MILLIKEN (IRE), PARKER, SHRIVES (IRE), > WALTERS, WINGHAM (ENG) > > and related families. > > > > ________________________________ > NCT FORESTRY CO-OPERATIVE LIMITED > http://www.nctforest.com > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify us by return email. > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by Eset > Mail Security for the presence of computer viruses. > http://www.eset.com > ________________________________ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:30:52 +0000 > From: Tara Norton <tara@nctforest.com> > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] DOMESTIC NOTICES, THE NATAL > WITNESS, JUL 19 - 23, 1923 > To: "south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com" > <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <D1D4A81D49908C46A3F187FED211C883100E7BEC@NCTEX1.nctforest.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Allan > > If you go to http://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/ there is a 'SEARCH ALL > NEWSPAPERS' option down the left hand side of the web page which saves you > having to clog up your inbox with > "these really informative emails." > > Regards, > Tara > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Allan > Isaacs > Sent: 07 September 2012 11:26 > To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] DOMESTIC NOTICES, THE NATAL WITNESS, > JUL 19 - 23, 1923 > > Hi Tara > I've just been asked to trace a family with the surnames Hargreaves, > Jurgensen and Logan (some with Army connections) Just about to depart for > a > weeks holiday, but when I get back I shall look through hundreds of these > really informative emails, which I've saved, for matches.. > I think there's a smidgin of Southern Rhodesia thrown in for good measure. > Cheers > Allan > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tara > Norton > Sent: 07 September 2012 10:09 > To: KWAZULU-NATAL-SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com; > south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com; > 'south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com'(south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb. > com); OFS List(SOUTH-AFRICA-ORANGE-FREE-STATE@rootsweb.com); > BUITENPOSTEN@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] DOMESTIC NOTICES, THE NATAL WITNESS,JUL > 19 > - 23, 1923 > > THURSDAY, 19 JULY, 1923 > FORSYTH. - At Glenavon, 79 Howick Road, Maritzburg, to Mr. and Mrs. D.G. > FORSYTH a daughter. Both well. 2628 > > DEATHS > CRAIG. - Passed peacefully away at Elizabeth District, Vrede, after an > illness of four days, Wallace Dalziel CRAIG, late of Estcourt, Natal. > 5098 > > GRIFFIN. - William Henry. Died at his residence on the 14th July, 1923 in > his 71st year. 2649 > > IN MEMORIAM > PHILLIPS. - In Loving Memory of our darling Mummy and Daddy, who died at > the > Cambrian, Dannhauser. > You are not forgotten, > Nor ever will you be, > As long as life and memory last. > We will always think of you. > Inserted by Gwladys and Myfanny PHILLIPS, late of South Africa. 2629 > (Note: Should read 'Gladys'?). > > IN MEMORIAM > ROLL OF HONOUR > CORLETT. - In fond and Loving Memory of Private John James CORLETT, 2nd > S.A.I., killed in action, Delville Wood, July 19, 1916. > Until the day Breaks. > Inserted by Mother, Sisters and Brother. > > > FRIDAY, 20 JULY, 1923 > BIRTHS > FORSYTH. - At Glenavon, 79 Howick Road, Maritzburg, to Mr. and Mrs. D.G. > FORSYTH (nee BLAKE) a daughter. Both well. 2628 > > DEATHS > CRAIG. - Passed peacefully away at Elizabeth District, Vrede, after an > illness of four days, Wallace Dalziel CRAIG, late of Estcourt, Natal. > 5098 > > GRIFFIN. - William Henry. Died at his residence on the 14th July, 1923 in > his 71st year. 2649 > > IN MEMORIAM > CRERAR. - In loving memory of Alexander (Sandy) CRERAR who passed away on > the 20th July, 1922. > Inserted by his loving Wife, Tom and Lillian. > To Memory ever Dear. 2669 > > POSTNOT. - In loving memory of our dear Sister (Mamie) who passed away > 20th > July, 1919. Fondly remembered by all at 143, Greyling Street. 2662 > > POSTNOT. - In loving memory of my dear Sister (Mim.) Mary Ann POSNOT who > died July 20th, 1919. > Though time may bring its soothing Cheer. > And other may forget. > To me she'll be for ever dear. > In truth I mourn her yet. > Inserted by her sorrowing Sister and Brother, Carrie and Willie. 2677 > > POSNOT. - In loving memory of my dear Wife and Mother, Mary Ann POSNOT, > who > departed this life on the 20th July, 1919. > Just four years ago you left us, > How we miss your loving face, > But you left us to remember > None on earth can fill your place. > We do not know the pain she bore, > We did not see her die. > We only knew we were a few minutes too late To ever say good-bye. > Inserted by her loving Husband and Children. 2689 > > > SATURDAY, 21 JULY, 1923 > BIRTHS > FORSYTH. - At Glenavon, 79 Howick Road, Maritzburg, to Mr. and Mrs. D.G. > FORSYTH (nee BLAKE) a daughter. Both well. 2628 > > JACKSON. - At the Sanatorium, Maritzburg, on the 19th inst. to Mr. and > Mrs. > Leslie JACKSON, (nee GAGE) a son. 2715 > > > MONDAY, 23 JULY, 1923 > BIRTHS > CUNNINGHAM. - At Keerom, Byrne, to Mr. and Mrs. E.W. CUNNINGHAM, a son. > 2757 > > SIMPSON. - At Kokstad Hospital, on July 13th, 1923, to Mr and Mrs C H > SIMPSON of Government School, Harding, a son. Both well. 2756 > > DEATHS > NIXON. - At Murchison Street, Ladysmith on the 16th July, suddenly, George > Eccles, late Sergt. S.A.P., beloved husband of K.M. NIXON. > > PINSON. - On the 21st July at 151 Pietermaritz Street, Maritzburg, > Adelaide > Louisa PINSON, widow of Henry PINSON. Aged 89 years. Deeply mourned. > > TYRRELL. - "Hillside," New Amalfi, East Griqualand on the 17th July, > Florence Emily, wife of Lancelot E.N. TYRRELL and niece of the late Peter > Davis, "Morningside." 5185 > > > > Transcribed by: > > Tara NORTON (born SHRIVES) > > taraanorton@gmail.com<mailto:taraanorton@gmail.com> > > Researching: ATKINSON (ENG), BENECKE, KILLERBY (ENG), (GOLDSMITH-)LESTER > (GER/IRE), LOURENS, MARTIN, MILLER, MILLIKEN (IRE), PARKER, SHRIVES (IRE), > WALTERS, WINGHAM (ENG) > > and related families. > > > > ________________________________ > NCT FORESTRY CO-OPERATIVE LIMITED > http://www.nctforest.com > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify us by return email. > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by Eset > Mail Security for the presence of computer viruses. > http://www.eset.com > ________________________________ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ________________________________ > > NCT FORESTRY CO-OPERATIVE LIMITED > http://www.nctforest.com > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify us by return email. > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by Eset > Mail Security for the presence of computer viruses. > http://www.eset.com > ________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN list administrator, send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN mailing list, send an > email > to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 195 > ****************************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2437/5252 - Release Date: 09/06/12 >

Henry Joseph SPOLANDER was a clockmaker and watchmaker in Cape Town, in the late 19th and 20th Centuries. He traded as H J Spolander. The first shop of his, that we are aware of, was on the corner of Greenmarket Square and Longmarket Street. At a later stage he moved to Mutual Building, which is bounded by Darling, Parliament and Longmarket streets. The Greenmarket Square premises can be seen in one of Arthur Elliott's photos. Elliott arrived in Cape Town in 1900 and died in 1938. Mutual Bulding opened in 1940. Spolander clocks are still in existence in Cape Town. Mabel Anni Spolander was either the daughter or niece of H J SPOLANDER. If anyone can add anything to the above,I would be pleased to hear from them. Thanks Wally Greig

Hello Fellow Listers Is anyone able to shed any light on the below paragraph below please? "Great Grandfather... Jack Norman Victor Walters came to S A Boer War 1899 1092 Innis Schillings Dragoons.... Irish . On mobilization of Innis Schillings Dragoons should be graded with Royal and Scots Greys... landed Queenstown 23 /24/ 25/ 1899 on SS Jamaican. SS Siberian...S S Persia...228 Officers ...558 on Commissioned Officers and Men 496 Horses..." My second great grandfather, John Charles WALTERS (aka Charlie), was born in unknown circa 1863/64. (His sons being Charles James Edward WALTERS - Pte, South African Medical Corps 1917/18; Pte, First South African Infantry Brigade 1918/1919; John WALTERS and Victor WALTERS). His younger brother, Norman WALTERS, was born in unknown circa 1865/66. (No sons to my knowledge & a daughter christened Methodist). Their younger/older brother, George Jack WALTERS, was born in unknown circa unknown. (His son was named after him). All the brothers' children were born in Pietermaritzburg, Natal from Feb 1899 to Mar 1917. We believe Jack Norman Victor WALTERS (born in unknown circa 1840) to be the father of the above-mentioned sons surely making him too old to have enlisted in the Boer War in 1899? Kind regards, Tara (born SHRIVES) taraanorton@gmail.com ________________________________ NCT FORESTRY CO-OPERATIVE LIMITED http://www.nctforest.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us by return email. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by Eset Mail Security for the presence of computer viruses. http://www.eset.com ________________________________