Hi Folks Following up on the previous thread regarding suspended telephones at the Port Elizabeth Archives Repository, please find the reply that I received. And to quote Hannibal Smith from the A-Team, "I love it when a plan comes together." >>Dear Becky Thank you for bringing this information to our attention. I have forwarded this e-mail to our management here at the National Archives and I am awaiting their response. I will keep you updated as soon as I receive a reply. I assure you that management is giving this enquiry urgent attention. Thank you and best wishes. Asothie Asothie Acharrie (Miss) Archivist: Information Systems National Archives and Records Service of South Africa Private Bag X236 / 24 Hamilton Street, Arcadia Pretoria 0001 Tel: +27 (0)12 - 3235300 Fax: +27 (0)12 - 3235287 Cell: 0832361117 E-mail: Asothie.Acharrie@dac.gov.za Website: www.national.archives.gov.za >> Best wishes Becky

BlankAfternoon everyone I am pleased to anounce another list of immigrants - never been discovered before. These immigrants came aboard the ship called the Diadem and was listed in the Government Gazette of 27 February 1851. There are many Irish surnames and the list includes married men, single men and women - their full names and occupations. Names and surnames have been typed exactly as they appeared in the Gazette For more passengers go to www.genealogy.co.za/passengers.htm This is a transcript of Immigrants arriving from abroad listed in the Government Gazette of 27 February 1851 Names of Married Men Number of Children Trade of Occupation Brodie, Philip 2 Farm Labourer Brodie, John Farm Labourer Dixon, James Gardener Few, Abraham 1 Labourer Gibson, Thos. Labourer Jefferson, Henry 3 Labourer Clarke, Armstrong 2 Labourer Canny, Michl. 1 Labourer Coudon, John 2 Labourer Coudon, Thomas 1 Labourer Dwyre, Thos. 2 Labourer Daniels, Wm. 2 Labourer Farrell, James 2 Labourer Goonan, Michl. 2 Labourer Hartneady, Martin 1 Labourer Hillary, Pat Labourer Lord, Wm. 1 Labourer McGregor, Patrick 1 Labourer Noonan, Patrick Labourer Watterson, Michael 1 Labourer Vaughan, David 2 do Walsh, Andrew 1 Do Payne, Wm. Do Bannister, Elisha 1 Do Herbert, Thos 2 Do Broderick,Roger Do Busk, Patrick 2 Do Mulqueeny, Patrick Do Fogerty, John 2 Do Madden, Thos. Labourer Single Men Name Occupation Curruthers, Thos. farm Labourer Cameron, Edward do Harrison, John do Graham, John do Hearenden, Geo. do Johnson, Thos. wheelwright Lawrance, Colin stone mason Mollock, Robt. shepherd Morrison, Wm. sawyer Neugher, Jas. labourer Robertson, Duncan do Robertson, John do Todd, James do Todd, Frederick do Thirlwell, Isaac domestic servant Thomas, Jeremiah shepherd Urqubast, Alex. labourer Warner, Henry do Wood, Joseph do Ashpool, Robt. do Beel, Wm. tailor Bolton, John labourer Barry, John labourer Clarke, John do Clarke, Armstrong do Cockrane, John do Cockrane, Sam. do Dwyre, Jas. do Davis, Thos. do Donohoe, Thos. do Daniels, Michael do Geoghegan, Philip do Kelly, Michl. do Lyndon, Wm. do Lynch, John do Medway, Geo. do Moromy, Timothy do McLean, Alex. do Molowney, Jas. do Norgrove, Joseph do Owen, Chas. do Polkenhome, Wm. tailor Reddan, John labourer Ryan, John do Riordan, John do Smith, Michl. do Vaughan, Thos. do Vaughan, Wm. do Vaughan, Jerry do Wilkinson, Thos. do Black, Jas. do Bernicot, Alex do Lewis, Edwin do Pullenger, Edwin do Pullenger, Joseph do Ryan, Jas. do Hynes, Michl. do Single Women Name Occupation Drase, Jeanet domestic servant Gibson, Margaret dressmaker Flannery, Catherine servant Horne, Jacobina servant Hume, Barbara dairymaid Reddie, Jane domestic servant Magee, Ellen domestic servant Rickman, Jane do Cusick, Ellen do Crow, Anne do Clarke, Eliza do Clarke, Eliza do Condon, Winifred do Cockrane, Mary laundress Dwyre, Mary domestic servant Davis, Margt. do Daniels, Mary dairymaid Geoghegan, Mary domestic servant Hynes, Anne domestic servant Kelly, Mary do Lord, Hannah do Larkin, Mary do Malowney, Cath. do Malowney, Margt. do Nolan, Biddy do Ryan, Hannah do Smith, Eliza do Mulqueeny, Anne do Cronnies, Anne do Vaughan, Susan do Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za The 1902 Municipal Voters Roll of Cape Town - Districts 1 to 6 The 1878 Voters Roll for the Cape is now available with tens of thousands on names !!! 1805, 1829, 1835 and 1849 Cape Almanacs now on CD The Juta's Directory of 1900 which lists residents of Cape Town from the City Bowl until Simonstown. To view our catalogue go to www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html

Hello Folks Many people contact me off-list requesting look-up's at the Port Elizabeth Archives Repository, which I have been unable to contact of late. After phoning the PE Archives on numerous occasions, I have now phoned Telkom and asked them to check the number. According to Telkom, the PE Archives' lines were suspended and it was suspected that they had moved to King William's Town. This is what I then relayed to any further inquiries. However, after receiving another inquiry last night, I went to the SA Archives site and saw that the Port Elizabeth details were still on the Cape Archives website. On further investigation this morning, I have now found out that the PE Archives have NOT moved, but that 'a Parliamentary Minister in Bisho' has had the telephones removed from the local archives to save costs at least until after the elections (Apr, 14)!!! I have now reported this concern to Asothie Acharrie, asothie@dacst4.pwv.gov.za and hope this matter will soon be resolved. Please see, South African Gazette, Vol 416, No. 20852, dated Cape Town, 3 February 2002. http://www.gov.za/gazette/acts/2000/a2-00.pdf Best wishes Becky

Hello I am looking for help where to look to for a marriage and a birth certificate, the period between 1939-1945 .At the time of the marriage one was serving in the British Airforce. Thank you Jeff

Hello Jeff Welcome to our mailing list. For starters can you please send to the list the names of the people you are looking for ? You might find that someone on the list that has researched this family or knows something about them. Believe it or not Cape Town is a very small place. Looking for a birth or a marriage is sometimes not as easy as it seems. Firstly it might be good to know where about they lived or what religious denomination they belonged to. Church records can be searched or you can write to the priest in charge to ask him to look up in his registers. Another place is the Department of Home Affairs where all births and marriages are supposed to be registered. You can write to them and order copies of the certificates but the less information you have the less likely chance of you getting a response. The Cape Town archives also holds birth and marriage certificates but again you would have to know in which magisterial district the even was registered. Please send more details and we will all try and help kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za The 1902 Municipal Voters Roll of Cape Town - Districts 1 to 6 The 1878 Voters Roll for the Cape is now available with tens of thousands on names !!! 1805, 1829, 1835 and 1849 Cape Almanacs now on CD The Juta's Directory of 1900 which lists residents of Cape Town from the City Bowl until Simonstown. To view our catalogue go to www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Butler" <pateena@iprimus.com.au> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:27 AM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Looking for Help 1939-1945 > Hello > I am looking for help where to look to for a marriage and a birth > certificate, the period between 1939-1945 .At the time of the marriage one > was serving in the British Airforce. > Thank you > Jeff > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > www.genealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Maureen I was born in the old Kingsbury Hospital - my mother said that shortly after the shock of me being born and arriving looking like a gorilla, as I was covered in fine black hair from top to toe as well as mop of thick black hair on my head, and also being the 5th born daughter - the Coons stood outside the her bedroom window and played "Jenuarie, Feburie, Maart. April, Mei, June, July.................... A Capie I am and will always be... Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za The 1902 Municipal Voters Roll of Cape Town - Districts 1 to 6 The 1878 Voters Roll for the Cape is now available with tens of thousands on names !!! 1805, 1829, 1835 and 1849 Cape Almanacs now on CD The Juta's Directory of 1900 which lists residents of Cape Town from the City Bowl until Simonstown. To view our catalogue go to www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Editor" <editor@nafcocjcci.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Cape Nostalgia > Absolutely nowhere! It is utterly unique and precious -- just reading this > made me feel so homesick, after I stopped screaming with laughter and wiped > the tears from my eyes. I so regret I never jotted down all the priceless > exchanges of this nature that I've overheard over so many years (but have > lived in Jo'burg for 25, only get to visit CT about once every two years). > > My mother did her 'midde' (midwifery training) in the early 1960s at the old > Peninsula Maternity Hospital just a block or so down from Roeland Street, > when old District Six was still a thriving, bustling community. There must > still be many people alive today who she 'caught' at their birth. The first > part of their training was in PMH itself, but the second half included > district nursing, or home attendance of births. My Mom says it was one of > the most wonderful experiences in her life, and how safe she always felt at > any hour of the day or night if she got called out to attend a birth, or a > 'bevalling', as it's called in Afrikaans. Neighbours would hang about > watching for the coming of the midwife and yell: "Daa ko' die nursie met die > kysie nou". She has many stories to tell about her year there and I keep > asking her to write them down, she keeps promising, but I wonder whether she > ever will. I must sit her down with a tape recorder... > > The old PMH is now a student hostel for the Cape Technikon (or whatever > Techs are called these days). > > Regards > Maureen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@genealogy.co.za> > To: "Editor" <editor@jcci.co.za>; <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 12 March 2004 11:55 > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Cape Nostalgia > > > This is so typical of the Cape - I don't think anywhere else in South Africa > there is a culture as unique as this. > kind thanks > Heather > > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za > The 1902 Municipal Voters Roll of Cape Town - Districts 1 to 6 > The 1878 Voters Roll for the Cape is now available with tens of thousands > on names !!! > 1805, 1829, 1835 and 1849 Cape Almanacs now on CD > The Juta's Directory of 1900 which lists residents of Cape Town from the > City Bowl until Simonstown. > To view our catalogue go to www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html > Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html > ----- Original Message ----- > <SNIP> > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > SCRIBES Ink. Publishing > www.genealogy.co.za - Genealogy Books on CD > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Absolutely nowhere! It is utterly unique and precious -- just reading this made me feel so homesick, after I stopped screaming with laughter and wiped the tears from my eyes. I so regret I never jotted down all the priceless exchanges of this nature that I've overheard over so many years (but have lived in Jo'burg for 25, only get to visit CT about once every two years). My mother did her 'midde' (midwifery training) in the early 1960s at the old Peninsula Maternity Hospital just a block or so down from Roeland Street, when old District Six was still a thriving, bustling community. There must still be many people alive today who she 'caught' at their birth. The first part of their training was in PMH itself, but the second half included district nursing, or home attendance of births. My Mom says it was one of the most wonderful experiences in her life, and how safe she always felt at any hour of the day or night if she got called out to attend a birth, or a 'bevalling', as it's called in Afrikaans. Neighbours would hang about watching for the coming of the midwife and yell: "Daa ko' die nursie met die kysie nou". She has many stories to tell about her year there and I keep asking her to write them down, she keeps promising, but I wonder whether she ever will. I must sit her down with a tape recorder... The old PMH is now a student hostel for the Cape Technikon (or whatever Techs are called these days). Regards Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@genealogy.co.za> To: "Editor" <editor@jcci.co.za>; <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 12 March 2004 11:55 Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Cape Nostalgia This is so typical of the Cape - I don't think anywhere else in South Africa there is a culture as unique as this. kind thanks Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za The 1902 Municipal Voters Roll of Cape Town - Districts 1 to 6 The 1878 Voters Roll for the Cape is now available with tens of thousands on names !!! 1805, 1829, 1835 and 1849 Cape Almanacs now on CD The Juta's Directory of 1900 which lists residents of Cape Town from the City Bowl until Simonstown. To view our catalogue go to www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html ----- Original Message ----- <SNIP>

This is so typical of the Cape - I don't think anywhere else in South Africa there is a culture as unique as this. kind thanks Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za The 1902 Municipal Voters Roll of Cape Town - Districts 1 to 6 The 1878 Voters Roll for the Cape is now available with tens of thousands on names !!! 1805, 1829, 1835 and 1849 Cape Almanacs now on CD The Juta's Directory of 1900 which lists residents of Cape Town from the City Bowl until Simonstown. To view our catalogue go to www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Editor" <editor@nafcocjcci.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 5:33 PM Subject: Spam Alert: Spam Alert: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Cape Nostalgia > A non-genie friend sent this to me and it is just too good not to share with > fellow "Kapies". Also my debut on this List, old hand on the plain SA List. > Anyone who knows CT will have stories of their own to add to this wonderful > sample of daily life on the streets of die Moederstad -- the last one is > something I personally witnessed on the Grand Parade. > > Kind regards > Maureen Brady > ex-Kapie in Jo'burg > ****** > Cape Town has a wonderfully varied and surprisingly tolerant > population. Its people come from many different backgrounds and some of its > people have a sense of humour that is as unique to them as that of the > cockneys. Their wit and repartee are just as sharp. Unfortunately, those who > are > not familiar with the Afrikaans language will be unable to share in the > humour, deliberate and accidental, of these colourful folk. > > ****** > Picture the scene. A newspaper vendor is standing in a busy intersection > in the main street of Cape Town selling the afternoon paper, The Cape > Argus. > "A'gus, A'gus," he calls incessantly. > A 4x4 bakkie with a Free State registration pulls up at the robot. The > burly, deeply tanned farmer leans out of the cab window and calls to the > paper vendor, > "Hey midnight, bring 'n koerant." > 'Midnight' sidles over and they exchange money and newspaper. > The vendor steps back, looks the driver straight in the eye and says, > "Djy roep my midnight. Djy's nie so ver van quarter-to-twelve djouself nie." > ******** > Many years ago fish carts used to roam the residential streets. Their > wares were advertised by the vendor blowing a fish horn, "Blaaaah. > Blaaaah." > One day, in response to the horn, a fellow with a very flat nose opened > an upstairs window in a rather seedy street. > "Haai, wat verkoop djy?" he asked. > "Stompneus," answered the vendor. > The response from upstairs was immediate and to the point, "djou moer!" > ******* > The neatly dressed, quietly spoken, middle-aged lady bent down > to inspect the peaches offered for sale by a street vendor, > "Is daai perkes soet?" she enquired. > "Dja ounooi. Kyk net hoe still en netjies sit hulle in rytjies." > ******** > The trek fishermen use a rowing boat to catch a fish they call harders. > The boats are launched from the beach and the fish are caught close in > to the shore. Frequently the fish are tied in bunches and sold at the > roadside. > A Transvaal Mercedes stopped next to a fisherman holding a bunch of > harders and enquired, > "Wat vra jy vir daai harders?" > The fisherman looked at the fish, then stretched out his arm and held > the harders a few inches from the driver's face, > "Ek vra hulle f*kk*l. Wil djy hulle iets vra? > ****** > Gatiep en Gammat are sitting on a bus in Cape Town when this lady gets > on with a face made up to kill: bloodshot red lips, seven layers of base > and such massive eyelashes that she can barely keep her eyes open. > There's no vacant seats, so she stands, hanging onto the leather strap. > "Hei Gammat," says Gatiep, "why don't you offer the lady your seat? > "Nei, " says Gammat, "a painting moet mos hang." > ******* > One day, while wandering around the Grand Parade, eating my lunch of a > smoked snoek sarmie and a cup of hot, sweet tea from a Parade vendor, a > young fellow talking to a young woman touched her lightly on the arm. She > jerked away and said: "Moenie aan my vat-tie!". He came straight back with: > "Moenie ve djou so wip-pie. Ek vat mos net, ek try nie om djou armpie te > steal nie." > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Cape Town Family History Society > www.genealogy.co.za/society.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >

BlankMorning all I know the list has been very quiet but I have just been so busy I don't know whether I am Arthur or Martha. I thought I would send some interesting snippets to the list on the History of A few schools and have started off with Wynberg Boys High. If you have any interesting information to add please feel free too. By the way if anyone has ever come across the MCNAUGHTON family of Wynberg I would be very interested to hear from you. John McNaughton was a teacher and Principal at Wynberg from 1841 until 1863 when he went on Pension. The Background PIETER VAN DER STAEL, the official sick-comforter, stood in the loft of one of the Dutch East India Company’s buildings at the Cape and surveyed the deserted schoolroom scene before him. By virtue of his office he had been set in authority over a group of West African slaves and charged with their instruction in the rudiments of learning. As he did not speak their language and had had no previous teaching experience, the project was daunting enough. When, however, his charges had failed to appear for lessons on five consecutive days, and no whisper had been heard of their whereabouts, he had cause to feel disconsolate. The best he could have hoped for as he stood there was to be returned to Holland; the worst, deportation to Batavia. Fortunately for Pieter van der Stael, the Commander, his brother-in-law, took a lenient view of the situation when the entire class was found hiding in a cave at Hout Bay. Instead of being deported, van der Stael was encouraged to introduce a system of rewards as an aid to teaching. The recalcitrants were accordingly welcomed back to the fold with promises of a tot of rum and three inches of tobacco, whenever they displayed diligence in their work. It says a great deal for the wisdom of van Riebeeck that he should have condoned the action of his bondsmen in deliberately thwarting his plans. It says even more for his foresight that he should have considered the education of the aboriginals before the European youth of the settlement, now in the fifth year of its existence. Unfortunately, his plans went awry. The excessive formalism of the D .E.I .Co’s educational policy, which sought to make of every pupil a good Calvinist, and approached the three R’s merely as a means to this end, was not congenial to a class of illiterate slaves. Despite the saporific inducements to study held out by their schoolmaster, they continued to play truant whenever the opportunity arose. For three more weeks van der Stael played catch-as-catch-can with his pupils, at which stage Jan van Riebeeck’s patience was exhausted. He closed the school. The closing of the first school on the shores of Table Bay was a rebuff for its instigator. He was not to know that his failure was only a minor prelude to the many and more bitter failures that were to attend the establishment of a complete system of education in the country. The building up of any educational scheme is of necessity an experimental and eclectic process accompanied by many high hopes and frustrations. In South Africa with its multi-racial and multilingual problems, the process was so much more complicated, that the disappointments were necessarily more frequent and more acute. The enigma of education in this country is not that a national system has still to be accepted by the legislators of the land. The wonder is that education has attained its present high standard at the Provincial organization level. America excepted, no other country in the world has had to contend with so many vicissitudes in working out a common factor for the training of its youth. In 1663 a second school was opened at the Cape. Of the seventeen children enrolled, four were slaves, one a young Hottentot, and the remaining twelve were Europeans. Once again religious instruction took precedence over learning to read and write, and, as an experiment, fees were levied for instruction. The same loft was commissioned as a school room, Ernestus Back was installed as the teacher, and the Company awaited results. This time an impish fate did a complete somersault: it was the tutor not the tutored who transgressed. Mr. Back found more solace in wine than in wisdom. Heed less of numerous warnings, he conducted his lessons and his services while deep in his cups, and on one occasion when his congregation took the action denied his pupils and hastily withdrew from his inebriated orations, the Company was compelled to suspend him forthwith. When subsequently a comet appeared over the mountain every night for two months, officialdom took this as a sign of the Almighty’s disapproval, and the was placed on the first ship bound for Batavia. The school continued to function and a certain Daniel Engelgraeff was appointed to succeed Ernestus Back. He had little to recommend his appointment, save that he was a well- behaved soldier who had impressed the authorities with his steadiness and his application. Nevertheless, until his death Engelgraeff served his school adequately, and his name has come down in history as the doyen of a long line of quasi-schoolmasters who have been designated ‘itinerant’ or ‘vagabond’ teachers. This type of school could cater for the elementary needs of the town. But what of the country? Unable to send their children to the official schools, whether by virtue of the distance entailed or the cost incurred, the farmers in the out lying districts were determined that their children should acquire sufficient learning to enable them to read the Bible and write a letter. So several families would club together to hire the services of a schoolmaster for a period of six months or a year. In this way many discharged officials of the Company were employed to bring the elements of knowledge to the youth of the rural districts. Regrettably for the country, too many of these itinerant teachers were charlatans and adventurers who would have been more advantageously employed as hewers of wood or drawers of water. Possessing only a nodding acquaintance with reading and writing, these so-called educators soon brought the whole teaching profession into disrepute. So serious did the position become that Governor van Imhoff in 1745 forbade discharged servants of the Company to take service in the districts as private tutors. In 1779 the licensed schoolmasters in Cape Town addressed a petition to van Plettenberg in which they complained that numbers of their pupils were being drawn away from their official schools by unlicensed rivals, and in 1788 an observer reported ‘that several of these supposed masters . . . are with out knowledge, without manners, who torment children with out teaching them anything useful, or, what is worse, teach them evil things’ The Dutch East India Company was fully aware of the sad state of educational affairs, but was powerless to improve conditions. There were too few ‘sieckentroosters’ to go round the larger communities, let alone cater for the needs of the pastoral constituencies. The pioneering nature of the rural population had carried them beyond the Gamtoos River, to the Uitenhage district of today, making supervision and control of their educational needs a physical as well as a practical impossibility. Above all other considerations, the Company, even had it had the forethought to procure or train teachers, lacked the financial resources to cater for the schooling of one-tenth of the youth of the Colony In this quandary, the Church stepped into the breach, and, due to its zeal, more and more schools were opened. One day the full story of the contribution made to South African education by the Dutch Reformed Church will be written. It will be a saga of dedication, patience and endurance. In Cape Town in 1779 there was a school for Coloured children, and an infant school, in addition to the eight public elementary schools, while in Stellenbosch, Paarl, Malmesbury, Tulbagh, Swellendam and Graaff-Reinet, schools may be presumed to have been functioning under the auspices of the churches in those areas. A high school was started under Midshipman Slicher who gave instruction in Latin and Dutch, and catered for boarding pupils. At Stellenbosch the present- day Cadet Corps were foreshadowed by the drilling of all boys over the age of 9 years. Every Saturday the recruits would parade, and whenever the Governor visited the town his carriage was escorted by the juvenile corps. The Company, although financially impotent, did make some attempts to co-ordinate and control the pattern of private education which had unravelled under its jurisdiction, but without its assistance. In 1714, and again in 1743 and 1769, ordinances were passed regulating the behaviour in and out of school, the number of holidays to be enjoyed and the competence of the schoolmasters in the larger centres. The officials kept a careful check on the hours given over to religious instruction, and through the ‘scholarchen’ or supervisors of schools, they did examine the qualifications of potential teachers. As always in the growth of any educational system, there were troubles within the camp from freethinkers. In 1719 a Papist schoolmaster was indicted as a ‘God-dishonouring creature’. He declared publicly that he did not believe in the Flood, the Ark or the Miracles of Moses. Although the senior clergyman remonstrated with him, he continued to teach his own particular brand of heresy. In a Calvinist stronghold, the result of this indiscretion was a foregone conclusion. The gentleman in question was deported. Then too, as now, salaries were a meagre pittance, designed more to keep up appearances than to attract men of character and qualifications. The schoolmaster had, therefore, to take on extra jobs to make ends meet. The Company was well aware of this practice, and, provided that the teacher restricted himself to the hours before school commenced in the morning, raised no objections to his part-time labours. Indeed, on one occasion an official list of tasks which a schoolmaster might legally carry out for private gain was published. Subject only to the restriction placed upon his hours of work, the teacher could be: a notary, a tax collector, a secretary; a hairdresser, a curer of wounds, a glazier; a maker of balls, coffins; a cutter of stone, a varnisher of chairs and mender of shoes; a com poser of love letters. Naturally enough, education under the Dutch East India Company left a great deal to be desired. ‘Our youth’, wrote an official in 1791, ‘can scarcely do spelling, reading, writing and elementals in Arithmetic: not to mention singing and truths of Holy Religion.’ On the other hand, it is questionable whether the children of the time required any more advanced training to fit them for the pioneer life of the Cape. More over, in proportion to the population, the burghers were as well educated as the people in most European countries at that time. At this point in the history of our education, a gentle breeze from the winds of liberalism which were blowing strongly all over Western Europe reached the Cape. In 1802 the Treaty of Amiens was signed and the Cape retroceded to the Batavian Republic which had superseded the monarchy in Holland. For a short time this zephyr caused the flickering light of learning to be fanned into a bright flame. In 1803 Commissioner-General de Mist, in anticipation of the formal act of retrocession, arrived in Table Bay, entrusted with the task of drawing up a plan of government to be implemented by Governor Janssens. Jacob Abraham Uitenhage de Mist was enlightened far beyond his age, and in his perspective on education he has outstripped many of his modern proto types. Acting on the guiding principle that education was a national not a parochial or haphazard concern, he immediately divorced the control of schools from the churches and the scholarchen, and married it to a Board of Education under the direct aegis of the Governor. To this central authority the landdrosts and ministers of the country districts were affiliated as honorary members. In this way administrative control of the entire country was ensured. Then, in order to guarantee that there were sufficient funds to carry out his further designs, de Mist ordained that the privileged people should contribute directly and indirectly to the Treasury. All landowners were required to pay a school contribution not exceeding ?2 5s. per annum, and numerous taxes were levied on amusement, vehicles and inheritances. Upon this broad base of a well-financed, completely co-ordinated, national plan of education, the Commissioner set to work to construct the pillars and walls of his educational edifice. A training school for teachers was to be staffed with experienced men from Holland. All un-certificated teachers were warned that after a period of five years, they would no longer be allowed to instruct the youth at the Cape. The syllabus was completely revised and took on a secular aspect, although religious instruction was not forgotten. Into the position of the coping stone, de Mist raised the invaluable provision that no person at the Cape would be appointed to a post commanding a salary of more than ?200 p.a. who had not passed creditably through the highest class of a Latin, that is a secondary, school. The incandescence of the brave, new educational policy was destined not to pierce the cultural darkness of the land; the rays were obfuscated by the megalomania of Europe’s first little corporal. The swift success of Napoleon in Europe after the temporary respite of Amiens forced the British Government to think once again of its Eastern possessions. Should the self-crowned Emperor ever occupy the Cape, he would be well on his way towards a conquest of India and the realization of his dreams of global power. The British Secretary of State for War, Lord Castlereagh, had no alternative. Under the protection of the Red Ensign, he dispatched a task force to occupy the Cape. The superiority in numbers of the attackers, a sharp skirmish or two, and a classical bayonet charge by the Highland Brigade convinced Governor Janssens of the futility of further, resistance. On 18 January 1806 the regime of the Batavian Republic at the Cape ceased to be, and de Mist’s blueprint for education was buried under the litter swept from the Castle by its new occupants. The first decade of the second British occupation of the Cape was, educationally speaking, as gloomy and forbidding as the years of the Republic had seemed bright and encouraging. It was not to be expected that the British governors at that time would embrace the liberal legislation of de Mist, when England itself had to wait until 1863 for its myopic educationists to accept any revolutionary principles of education. But, it might have been supposed that the governors would do something to improve upon the system of education popular in the days of the Dutch East India Company. They did not. The ‘meesters’ reappeared like an allergic rash, control was as haphazard as ever, and apart from a desultory attempt on the part of Sir John Cradock to encourage the use of church clerks as schoolmasters, education was virtually left to fend for itself. The result was fifteen years of mental stagnation and retrogression. kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za The 1902 Municipal Voters Roll of Cape Town - Districts 1 to 6 The 1878 Voters Roll for the Cape is now available with tens of thousands on names !!! 1805, 1829, 1835 and 1849 Cape Almanacs now on CD The Juta's Directory of 1900 which lists residents of Cape Town from the City Bowl until Simonstown. To view our catalogue go to www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html

A non-genie friend sent this to me and it is just too good not to share with fellow "Kapies". Also my debut on this List, old hand on the plain SA List. Anyone who knows CT will have stories of their own to add to this wonderful sample of daily life on the streets of die Moederstad -- the last one is something I personally witnessed on the Grand Parade. Kind regards Maureen Brady ex-Kapie in Jo'burg ****** Cape Town has a wonderfully varied and surprisingly tolerant population. Its people come from many different backgrounds and some of its people have a sense of humour that is as unique to them as that of the cockneys. Their wit and repartee are just as sharp. Unfortunately, those who are not familiar with the Afrikaans language will be unable to share in the humour, deliberate and accidental, of these colourful folk. ****** Picture the scene. A newspaper vendor is standing in a busy intersection in the main street of Cape Town selling the afternoon paper, The Cape Argus. "A'gus, A'gus," he calls incessantly. A 4x4 bakkie with a Free State registration pulls up at the robot. The burly, deeply tanned farmer leans out of the cab window and calls to the paper vendor, "Hey midnight, bring 'n koerant." 'Midnight' sidles over and they exchange money and newspaper. The vendor steps back, looks the driver straight in the eye and says, "Djy roep my midnight. Djy's nie so ver van quarter-to-twelve djouself nie." ******** Many years ago fish carts used to roam the residential streets. Their wares were advertised by the vendor blowing a fish horn, "Blaaaah. Blaaaah." One day, in response to the horn, a fellow with a very flat nose opened an upstairs window in a rather seedy street. "Haai, wat verkoop djy?" he asked. "Stompneus," answered the vendor. The response from upstairs was immediate and to the point, "djou moer!" ******* The neatly dressed, quietly spoken, middle-aged lady bent down to inspect the peaches offered for sale by a street vendor, "Is daai perkes soet?" she enquired. "Dja ounooi. Kyk net hoe still en netjies sit hulle in rytjies." ******** The trek fishermen use a rowing boat to catch a fish they call harders. The boats are launched from the beach and the fish are caught close in to the shore. Frequently the fish are tied in bunches and sold at the roadside. A Transvaal Mercedes stopped next to a fisherman holding a bunch of harders and enquired, "Wat vra jy vir daai harders?" The fisherman looked at the fish, then stretched out his arm and held the harders a few inches from the driver's face, "Ek vra hulle f*kk*l. Wil djy hulle iets vra? ****** Gatiep en Gammat are sitting on a bus in Cape Town when this lady gets on with a face made up to kill: bloodshot red lips, seven layers of base and such massive eyelashes that she can barely keep her eyes open. There's no vacant seats, so she stands, hanging onto the leather strap. "Hei Gammat," says Gatiep, "why don't you offer the lady your seat? "Nei, " says Gammat, "a painting moet mos hang." ******* One day, while wandering around the Grand Parade, eating my lunch of a smoked snoek sarmie and a cup of hot, sweet tea from a Parade vendor, a young fellow talking to a young woman touched her lightly on the arm. She jerked away and said: "Moenie aan my vat-tie!". He came straight back with: "Moenie ve djou so wip-pie. Ek vat mos net, ek try nie om djou armpie te steal nie."

Hi to All I have found that Death Notices have valuable information. But the wills or estate files have even more information. I have found that in some Estate files they even give Names and birthday dates of Children And sometimes even the spouses Names as well as brothers and sisters of the deceased And sometimes their childrens names as well. While I have found what Heathers said that the information can be incorrect the Death Notices plus Wills and Estates has a great amount of information in one place. I have found that at the LDS they only have Death Notices in the 1800s but from about 1923 onwards they have will and estates as well and even Court case documents. Sometime one will even find a Full Death Certificate and even a marriage Certificate in Estate and wills files. Again it is a lot of information to be found on one place. I hope this help Rob Hart

BlankHello and Good Evening All Thought I should just inform all of you who plan to visit the Cape Town archives that you will soon have to purchase gloves from the archives before you are allowed to handle anything inside. This is something that should have been done years ago and we are probably one of the last remaining countries to do so. Hopefully this will prolong our precious documents and stop all the nasty greasy gremlins and uric acid from our finger tips causing the deterioration of those pages. kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za The 1902 Municipal Voters Roll of Cape Town - Districts 1 to 6 The 1878 Voters Roll for the Cape is now available with tens of thousands on names !!! 1805, 1829, 1835 and 1849 Cape Almanacs now on CD The Juta's Directory of 1900 which lists residents of Cape Town from the City Bowl until Simonstown. To view our catalogue go to www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html

Hello Christine Death notice is a official document that must be filled in when some ones dies. It is not a medical certificate. As I said before A death notice is a document telling you what the deceased persons name is, where he was born, his age, his parents names, his marital status, his occupation, his wife's name, his children's names etc. A death certificate is a medical one that generally only his name, age, place and cause of death. The were only implemented in January 1895 and not everyone complied by the rules and not everybody has a death notice. Please also note that it also depends on who filled in the death notice how accurate the information is. If it was the neighbour or the postman they probably have no idea who the deceased persons parents were or if the man had a British type accent he might put down that he was from Yorkshire but in fact he was from Newcastle. Also families are traumatised when a member of the family dies so even the wife, child or sibling filling in the form can make mistakes. A very common mistake I have seen is where a child who is a major fills in the death notice but forgets to put himself down as a child. kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za The 1902 Municipal Voters Roll of Cape Town - Districts 1 to 6 The 1878 Voters Roll for the Cape is now available with tens of thousands on names !!! 1805, 1829, 1835 and 1849 Cape Almanacs now on CD The Juta's Directory of 1900 which lists residents of Cape Town from the City Bowl until Simonstown. To view our catalogue go to www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Anderson" <famhist@iinet.net.au> To: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@genealogy.co.za> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] New Lister > Thank You Heather, I had thought a death notice was a newspaper death > announcement from family and friends, now I know better, will write to the > archives to see if they can supply details, Many Thanks for that, Chris in > W.Aust. > > > > >

BlankHello Everyone For those of you who are really stuck with finding dates of births, marriages and deaths - have you ever tried looking through the Government Gazette which was published weekly in Cape Town from 1803 until present ? This is the most amazing paper. With items such as deserters from the Army giving the chaps name, age, height, hair colour eye colour, distinguished marks and tattoo's this is in the paper. Also includes ships passenger lists - not the big ships with 70 passengers or more but the small ones of about up to twenty passengers. Also includes lost pets, sheep, cows etc Also includes baptisms, marriages and deaths from St. Mary's, St, Georges, Union Congregational Church, St. Paul's in Rondebosch and churches in Simonstown, It then also has the Dutch section includes also baptisms, marriages and deaths but from the NG and Lutheran churches. For the year of 1850 found over 100 immigrants mentioned.... there is so much more............. Please note that the modern editions do not contain all these lost people and animals !! Don't forget to add this to your list of research resources. Have a great day Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za The 1902 Municipal Voters Roll of Cape Town - Districts 1 to 6 The 1878 Voters Roll for the Cape is now available with tens of thousands on names !!! 1805, 1829, 1835 and 1849 Cape Almanacs now on CD The Juta's Directory of 1900 which lists residents of Cape Town from the City Bowl until Simonstown. To view our catalogue go to www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html

BlankAfternoon All Looking for any information on the POWER family originally from Cape Town. Ethel Elizabeth HANSFORD married William POWER AROUND 1915 and had the following children: Anthony Joseph Mary Scholastica Steven Kenneth and Bo ? They were catholic - do you know them ? cheers Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za The 1902 Municipal Voters Roll of Cape Town - Districts 1 to 6 The 1878 Voters Roll for the Cape is now available with tens of thousands on names !!! 1805, 1829, 1835 and 1849 Cape Almanacs now on CD The Juta's Directory of 1900 which lists residents of Cape Town from the City Bowl until Simonstown. To view our catalogue go to www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html

BlankIt is with great pleasure that we announce the dawning of a new era in South African genealogy. After much discussion which involved a few people interested in promoting South African genealogy, ideas and plans came together to make it possible for the Genealogical Society of South Africa (GSSA) to open a virtual branch. This branch is known as eGSSA. For many years there have been people who, for various reasons, could not join a regular GSSA branch. Some of these reasons include living too far from a branch or living outside South Africa. These people still have a need to belong to a branch and to enjoy the benefits of GSSA membership, such as receiving GSSA's flagship journal, Familia. eGSSA has been established to meet these needs. We plan for members of eGSSA to be able to hold virtual meetings in the future, either via streaming technology or in a chat room a-la-MSN. . It is also planned that eGSSA will make some of the GSSA products available electronically, and that some databases could be placed on the Internet for search purposes. This all depends on the availability of storage capacity. eGSSA's website is hosted at http://www.ggsa.info/eggsa The management eGSSA team is as follows: Branch Chairperson: Colin Pretorius (based in Australia) Secretary: Anne Lehmkuhl (based in Canada) Marketing: Andre van Rensburg (based in Australia) Technical adviser: Richard Ball (based in the UK) Ex Officio: Martin Zollner (based in South Africa) Regional representatives: Australia/NZ/Oceania/Asia: Andre van Rensburg (based in Australia) North & South America: Anne Lehmkuhl (based in Canada) Europe & the UK: Richard Ball (based in the UK) Africa & the Middle East: Daan Hamman (based in South Africa) The membership fees are as follows: South Africa R115 ( R90 per annum GSSA fee & R25 eGSSA fee) . Rest of Africa and Middle East : US $ 22 North and South America US $22 United Kingdom GBP 10 Europe Euro 18 Aus/NZ/Oceania/Asia Aus $ 25 The abovementioned fees include an electronic copy of Familia. Other benefits include discounts on some CD products. We also publish our own quarterly newsletter called genesis, and this will be available to eGSSA members free of charge. Payments for residents IN South Africa can be done via bank transfer to Nedbank, while payment for residents OUTSIDE South Africa will be done via Paypal or in certain instances via bank transfer Please make use of this opportunity to become part of GSSA and to step into this exciting era. Regards Colin Pretorius Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za The 1902 Municipal Voters Roll of Cape Town - Districts 1 to 6 The 1878 Voters Roll for the Cape is now available with tens of thousands on names !!! 1805, 1829, 1835 and 1849 Cape Almanacs now on CD The Juta's Directory of 1900 which lists residents of Cape Town from the City Bowl until Simonstown. To view our catalogue go to www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html

Kia Ora Everyone, My main interests are in the REYNOLDS families but I am also interested in KEIGHTLEY, WINTERS, PAGE, GRAHAM-PAGE, KIRKPATRICK & LaSUER. Warmest regards, Terry Waters-Marsh Rockhampton Queensland 4701 Australia FreeCEN Coordinator - Wiltshire & Somerset (see http://freecen.rootsweb.com) ARCHIVE CD BOOKS - http://www.archivecdbooks.org A project to reproduce old books on CD for genealogists and pay for the restoration of books in Record Offices, Libraries, etc.

Hello Eileen Sorry the 88 in brackets is the reference number for the Colonial Office file which this information was extracted from in the Cape Town Archives - CO 6067 to be precise. kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za The 1902 Municipal Voters Roll of Cape Town - Districts 1 to 6 The 1878 Voters Roll for the Cape is now available with tens of thousands on names !!! 1805, 1829, 1835 and 1849 Cape Almanacs now on CD The Juta's Directory of 1900 which lists residents of Cape Town from the City Bowl until Simonstown. To view our catalogue go to www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eileen Martsch" <emartsch@sasktel.net> To: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@genealogy.co.za> Cc: "Cape Town Mailing List" <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] BURKE in Cape Town 1823 > Thank you Heather for sending the list of Burke's from your book. I see > one did serve in the Army Paymaster General's Dept. altho it was 25 > years before my Henry was born. Does this look to you like Capt. Edmund > Burke would have been there about that time (1823)? What would the > numbers in brackets refer to? > > Thanks again for your trouble. > Eileen > > Heather MacAlister wrote: > > >Hello Eileen > > > >This is a transcript from the Book British Residents at the Cape 1795 to > >1819 by Peter Philip. I hope this helps. > > > >BURKE, Edmund, Capt. 38th Foot. Served SA 1818-20 (21). 26.11.18 arrived in > >Table Bay in 'British Colony' ex Falmouth (104/25). 17.4.20 PL in 'Baring' > >for England (88). > > > >BURKE, J, Ens. 61st Foot. Served SA 1800-01 (21). > > > >BURKE, John. 1798 clerk in the Secretary's Office (27). 5.1.1799 signed > >loyal address to Gen. Dundas (2). 1801-02 clerk, Secretary's Office & > >assistant, Paymaster-General's Dept. (21). 3.11.01 security for Wm. Rowe > >(67). 26.6.02 all persons having claims on J B invited to present them > >(intending departure?) (25). > > > >BURKE (or Burk), V. 1806-10 boatswain, Naval Office (21). 19.9.07 tenders > >invited to supply victuals for prisoners of war by Mr B, boatswain, Navy > >Yard or Capt. Culverhouse, agent for POW's (25). 5.5.09 boatswain of the > >yard (6). > > > >kind regards > >Heather > > > > > >Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za > >The 1902 Municipal Voters Roll of Cape Town - Districts 1 to 6 > >The 1878 Voters Roll for the Cape is now available with tens of thousands > >on names !!! > >1805, 1829, 1835 and 1849 Cape Almanacs now on CD > >The Juta's Directory of 1900 which lists residents of Cape Town from the > >City Bowl until Simonstown. > >To view our catalogue go to www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html > >Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Eileen Martsch > > To: Heather MacAlister > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 6:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] BURKE in Cape Town 1823 > > > > > > Thank you Heather for your quick response. I should have made it a little > >clearer about my Henry Joseph BURKE. As I said before, I do not know who > >his parents were, but from Army Lists that I have looked at, am wondering if > >his father was a William BURKE. Henry Joseph married Elizabeth Jane WHITE > >in 1848, I believe in Stoke Dam'l but am not sure as I have never sent for > >the certificate. She was born in 1828 Devonport, Devon.. He died Sept. 24, > >1892 at 69 years in Plymouth England. He was a retired Lt. Col. Army Pay > >Dept. I have his will. His 1850 address was in Devonport, Devon as was > >listed on my g. grandfather's birth certificate. I do not know of any > >brothers or sisters for Henry. > > > > Who were the BURKE entries mentioned in your book of British residents ? > >Were the years given? What other info was given if any? > > Thanks again. > > Eileen > > > > Heather MacAlister wrote: > > > >Hello Eileen > > > >Welcome to our mailing list. > >Do you know when and where Henry Burke died ? > >Did he die in Cape Town ? > > > >If he died in Cape Town a good place to start is the National Archives > >website at www.national.archives.gov.za > >here you can use a system called NAAIRS (National Automated Archival > >Information Retrieval System). > >Choose the Cape Town Data Base KAB and then type his first name in the first > >line and his surname in the second line and then click on enter. You will > >then be given a list of documents with reference numbers and a brief > >description. > >You will not be able to see the document but can either contact the archives > >concerned and order copies, ask someone nicely on the mailing list or pay a > >researcher. > > > >Who was he married to ? > >This might also help if he died in Cape Town and you cannot locate his death > >notice or estate papers > >Did he have any other brother's or sisters ? This would also help if he does > >not have a death notice as his parents might be listed on his siblings > >documents. > > > >If you know what religious denomination he belonged to church records can be > >consulted for his baptismal entry. > >I have checked through one of my books called British Residents at the Cape > >1795 to 1819 and found a couple of Burke entries but their are no children > >listed. > > > >hope this helps > >Kind regards > >Heather > > > > > > > >Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za > >The 1902 Municipal Voters Roll of Cape Town - Districts 1 to 6 > >The 1878 Voters Roll for the Cape is now available with tens of thousands > >on names !!! > >1805, 1829, 1835 and 1849 Cape Almanacs now on CD > >The Juta's Directory of 1900 which lists residents of Cape Town from the > >City Bowl until Simonstown. > >To view our catalogue go to www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html > >Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society.html > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Eileen Martsch" <emartsch@sasktel.net> > >To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:55 AM > >Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] BURKE in Cape Town 1823 > > > > > > Dear List: > >I am a new subscriber. I live in Saskatchewan , Canada. I am a little > >lost when turning to research in South Africa and hope someone may offer > >some help. > > > >My gg grandfather was Henry Joseph BURKE born July 13, 1823 Capetown, > >Cape of Good Hope. I do not know his father's name or when they came to > >SA. I think they would have come from United Kingdom. I believe his > >father would have been in the military, as was Henry Joseph and sons of > >succeeding generations. The birth information came from Henry's > >military record WO76. I am wanting to find his birth record and > >therefore his parent's names. Can anyone help? > > > >Eileen Martsch > >emartsch@sasktel.net > > > > > > > >==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > >Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > >www.genealogy.co.za > > > >============================== > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Thank you Heather for sending the list of Burke's from your book. I see one did serve in the Army Paymaster General's Dept. altho it was 25 years before my Henry was born. Does this look to you like Capt. Edmund Burke would have been there about that time (1823)? What would the numbers in brackets refer to? Thanks again for your trouble. Eileen Heather MacAlister wrote: >Hello Eileen > >This is a transcript from the Book British Residents at the Cape 1795 to >1819 by Peter Philip. I hope this helps. > >BURKE, Edmund, Capt. 38th Foot. Served SA 1818-20 (21). 26.11.18 arrived in >Table Bay in 'British Colony' ex Falmouth (104/25). 17.4.20 PL in 'Baring' >for England (88). > >BURKE, J, Ens. 61st Foot. Served SA 1800-01 (21). > >BURKE, John. 1798 clerk in the Secretary's Office (27). 5.1.1799 signed >loyal address to Gen. Dundas (2). 1801-02 clerk, Secretary's Office & >assistant, Paymaster-General's Dept. (21). 3.11.01 security for Wm. Rowe >(67). 26.6.02 all persons having claims on J B invited to present them >(intending departure?) (25). > >BURKE (or Burk), V. 1806-10 boatswain, Naval Office (21). 19.9.07 tenders >invited to supply victuals for prisoners of war by Mr B, boatswain, Navy >Yard or Capt. Culverhouse, agent for POW's (25). 5.5.09 boatswain of the >yard (6). > >kind regards >Heather > > >Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za >The 1902 Municipal Voters Roll of Cape Town - Districts 1 to 6 >The 1878 Voters Roll for the Cape is now available with tens of thousands >on names !!! >1805, 1829, 1835 and 1849 Cape Almanacs now on CD >The Juta's Directory of 1900 which lists residents of Cape Town from the >City Bowl until Simonstown. >To view our catalogue go to www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html >Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Eileen Martsch > To: Heather MacAlister > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 6:01 AM > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] BURKE in Cape Town 1823 > > > Thank you Heather for your quick response. I should have made it a little >clearer about my Henry Joseph BURKE. As I said before, I do not know who >his parents were, but from Army Lists that I have looked at, am wondering if >his father was a William BURKE. Henry Joseph married Elizabeth Jane WHITE >in 1848, I believe in Stoke Dam'l but am not sure as I have never sent for >the certificate. She was born in 1828 Devonport, Devon.. He died Sept. 24, >1892 at 69 years in Plymouth England. He was a retired Lt. Col. Army Pay >Dept. I have his will. His 1850 address was in Devonport, Devon as was >listed on my g. grandfather's birth certificate. I do not know of any >brothers or sisters for Henry. > > Who were the BURKE entries mentioned in your book of British residents ? >Were the years given? What other info was given if any? > Thanks again. > Eileen > > Heather MacAlister wrote: > >Hello Eileen > >Welcome to our mailing list. >Do you know when and where Henry Burke died ? >Did he die in Cape Town ? > >If he died in Cape Town a good place to start is the National Archives >website at www.national.archives.gov.za >here you can use a system called NAAIRS (National Automated Archival >Information Retrieval System). >Choose the Cape Town Data Base KAB and then type his first name in the first >line and his surname in the second line and then click on enter. You will >then be given a list of documents with reference numbers and a brief >description. >You will not be able to see the document but can either contact the archives >concerned and order copies, ask someone nicely on the mailing list or pay a >researcher. > >Who was he married to ? >This might also help if he died in Cape Town and you cannot locate his death >notice or estate papers >Did he have any other brother's or sisters ? This would also help if he does >not have a death notice as his parents might be listed on his siblings >documents. > >If you know what religious denomination he belonged to church records can be >consulted for his baptismal entry. >I have checked through one of my books called British Residents at the Cape >1795 to 1819 and found a couple of Burke entries but their are no children >listed. > >hope this helps >Kind regards >Heather > > > >Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za >The 1902 Municipal Voters Roll of Cape Town - Districts 1 to 6 >The 1878 Voters Roll for the Cape is now available with tens of thousands >on names !!! >1805, 1829, 1835 and 1849 Cape Almanacs now on CD >The Juta's Directory of 1900 which lists residents of Cape Town from the >City Bowl until Simonstown. >To view our catalogue go to www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html >Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society.html >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Eileen Martsch" <emartsch@sasktel.net> >To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:55 AM >Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] BURKE in Cape Town 1823 > > > Dear List: >I am a new subscriber. I live in Saskatchewan , Canada. I am a little >lost when turning to research in South Africa and hope someone may offer >some help. > >My gg grandfather was Henry Joseph BURKE born July 13, 1823 Capetown, >Cape of Good Hope. I do not know his father's name or when they came to >SA. I think they would have come from United Kingdom. I believe his >father would have been in the military, as was Henry Joseph and sons of >succeeding generations. The birth information came from Henry's >military record WO76. I am wanting to find his birth record and >therefore his parent's names. Can anyone help? > >Eileen Martsch >emartsch@sasktel.net > > > >==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== >Heather's South African Genealogy Help List >www.genealogy.co.za > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Afternoon All For some unknown reason not all replies are being sent to the list. Please make sure that when you reply the SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com come up in your TO line - if this does not happen go back and click on REPLY ALL. thanks Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za The 1902 Municipal Voters Roll of Cape Town - Districts 1 to 6 The 1878 Voters Roll for the Cape is now available with tens of thousands on names !!! 1805, 1829, 1835 and 1849 Cape Almanacs now on CD The Juta's Directory of 1900 which lists residents of Cape Town from the City Bowl until Simonstown. To view our catalogue go to www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html