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    1. Intro and Roll Call
    2. Elva Hanly

    3. Gooday to all Listers, Below are the surnames I am researching: CLAYTON/CLETON - Paarl , Wellington FORTUNE/FORTUIN-Paarl STEEDE/STEDE-Overberg, Rondebosch, Wynberg LODEWYKS/LODEWIJKS-Wynberg KNIPE ROAKES DE BRUYN/BRUIN STRYDOM HARTZENBERG DE BEER BRAAF ADRIAANSE APPEL SMITH-Wynberg Regards, Elva Queensland, Australia

    04/15/2004 02:18:06
    1. Roll Call
    2. Heather MacAlister

    3. Afternoon All Please find below a list of my surnames which I am researching: Cressy or Cressey - Rondebosch Mann - Rondebosch Evans - Cape Town, Woodstock, Rondebosch Osborne Parke - related to the Cressy and Osborne family Budd Collier Dawes Docke just a few names - still have stacks more kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Scribes Ink. Publishing - South African Genealogy on CD www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

    04/14/2004 08:14:58
    1. Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] DE CARVALHO
    2. Heather MacAlister

    3. Hello Eileen The best place to start is the National Archives. You can search for documents references on-line at www.national.archives.gov.za you will however only be given some references numbers and a brief description of the document. You will either have to ask someone nicely on the mailing list or contact the archives directly. I did find a death notice for Eduardo - this death notice might give insight to his parentage and his descendants. DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 6/9/343 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 1573 PART 1 DESCRIPTION DE CARVALHO, EDUARDO AUGUSTO. DEATH NOTICE. STARTING 18950000 ENDING 18950000 DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 13/1/780 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 165 PART 1 DESCRIPTION DE CARVALHO, EDUARDO AUGUSTO. LIQUIDATION AND DISTRIBUTION ACCOUNT. STARTING 18960000 ENDING 18960000 kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Scribes Ink. Publishing - South African Genealogy on CD www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eileen Flinn" <david.flinn@ntlworld.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 11:23 AM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] DE CARVALHO > Hello everyone, > > I am trying to trace the origins of Eduardo Augusto DE CARVALHO. I believe that he was born around 1835 in Lisbon and eventually became 1st Portuguese Consul in the Cape of Good Hope in 1881. > > If anyone knows anything about this family or could give me any pointers on how to proceed, I would love to hear from you. > > Eileen Flinn > Nottingham, England > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > www.genealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >

    04/13/2004 04:14:19
    1. Medical Practioners in the Cape Colony 1870
    2. Heather MacAlister

    3. GOVERNMENT NOTICE - No. 117, 1870 Evening all Please find a below a transcript from Government Gazette of 1st May 1870 with a list of Medical Practioners in the Cape Colony Licensed up to the 31st March 1870. With many kind thanks to Eileen Russell for doing the typing Colonial Office, Cape of Good Hope, 9th April, 1870 His Excellency the Governor has directed the publication of the following list of Medical Practitioners, and of Apothecaries, Chemists, and Druggists, licensed to practise in the Cape Colony, up to 31st March, 1870. By command of His Excellency the Governor, R. SOUTHEY, Colonial Secretary LIST OF THE MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS IN THE CAPE COLONY, LICENSED UP TO THE 31st MARCH, 1870 When Licensed Name Residence Qualifications January 1822 Abercrombie James, Sr Cape Town M.D., St. Andr, 1840, Lic. Coll. Surg, Edin, 1816 March 1853 Abercrombie James, Jr Cape Town M.D., Edin, 1851, Lic. Coll. Surg, Edin, 1851 July 1861 Abercrombie Alexander Wellington M.D., Edin, 1860, Lic. Fac. Phy. and Surg., Glasgow, 1860 January 1840 Albertyn Abraham Johannes Benjamin Caledon None Registered May 1866 Albertyn Carl Frederick Caledon M.D., Berlin, D.C., 1860 February 1868 Albertyn Frederick - M.D., Halle, 1868 April 1867 Allen James Whinyates George Peddie Commission in H.M. Army 10th December 1857 Oct 1864 Alsberg Moritz Graaff-Reinet M.D., Marburg, 1863 Feb 1838 Altenburg Johann. Christoph. Bokkeveld None registered February 1849 Andrews William Queen's Town M.D., Edin, 1835, Mem. R. Coll. Phy, Lond. 1839 Nov 1839 Atherstone William Guybon Graham's Town M.D., Heidel., 1839, Mem. R. Coll. Surg, 1838, F.R.C.S., Eng. 1865 Dec 1866 Atherstone Edwin Graham's Town M.B., Aberd., 1866, M.C. Aberd., 1866, Mem R. Coll. Surg., Lond 1865 Mar 1860 Arenhold Adolf Graaff-Reinet M.D., Göttigen, 1855, late German Legion June 1869 Becker Herman Francis Bathurst M.D., Jena, 1862 March 1870 Bell William Hutchinson Aliwal North Phys., Surg., and Achr., Lic. Coll. Surg., Irel, 1859, Lic. Midwf, Irel, 1859, Lic. K and Q Coll, Irel, 186? Nov 1864 Berry William Bisset Burghersdorp M.D., Aberd., 1861 Sept 1835 Biccard François Louis Charles Malmesbury M.D., Leyd., Mem. Coll. Surg., Leyd., 1834 Dec 1858 Biccard Carl Wilhelm Thalman Cape Town M.D., Leyd, 1858, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., London, 1858 Nov 1860 Biccard François de Lettre Malmesbury M.D., Leyd., 1860 Oct 1862 Boomsma Johannes Clanwilliam Surg. Diplom. Univer., Utrecht, 1847 Sept 1842 Borcherds Carel Gerhard Prince Albert (Army) Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1841 July 1866 Boelhouwer Jan Abraham Nun Hopefield Lic. of Surgery, Dordrecht, 1842, Midwy. Dipl. 1844 July 1869 Bösenberg Andreas Georg Hendrik Cape Town M.B., Edin., Magister Chirurgia Edin., 1867, Lic. Midwy. R. Coll. Surg., Eng., 1869 July 1864 Botha Theunis Johannes Richmond M.B., Aberd., 1864, Magister Chirurgia Aberd., 1864 August 1866 Breda, van Pieter Johannes Albertus Fort Beaufort M.D., Edin., 1866 - - Brown William Graham's Town (Army) M.D., Edin., 1852, Lic. Coll. Surg., Edin., 1852 July 1864 Brown John Fraserburg M.D., Aberd., 1863, Magister Chirurgia, Aberd., 1863, Lic. of Surg., Edin 1863, Midwy, Dipl Edin. 1863 June 1868 Browne Charles William Stockenstrom Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1859, Lic. Apoth. Comp., 1859 February 1860 Cambell John Goodrick - Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1846 July 1831 Campbell Ambrose George Uitenhage M.D., Jena, 1830, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Edin., 1823 April 1866 Casalis Eugène Arnaud Aliwal North M.D., Paris, 1862 October 1834 Chiappini Peter Cape Town M.D., Edin., 1832, Lic. Coll. Surg., Edin., 1832 May 1866 Chiappini Antonio Lorenzo Cape Town M.D., 1865, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Eng., 1866, Lic. Midwy. Lond., Dec 1868 October 1869 Chittenden John Franks - Lic. Coll. Phys., Edin., 1869, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Eng., 1869, Lic. Midwf., Edin., 1869 Jan 1840 Christie James Beaufort Midwy. Dipl., Edin., 1839 January 1843 Cooper Charles Somerset East Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1821, Lic. Apoth. Comp., 1821 Nov 1868 Cornish Edgecumbe Peddie Lic. Apoth. Comp., 1868 Nov 1858 Coward George Gale Snelling - Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1842 August 1859 Coward James Eyres Middelburg Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1853, Lic. Apoth. Comp. 1848 August 1867 Cohn Jacob Victoria West M.D., Berlin April 1867 Cumming Robert Butterfield Graham's Town Lic. Apoth. Lond., 1852, M.D.Aberdeen, 1852, F.R.C.S. 1866 Oct 1839 Davies Richard Lewis Port Elizabeth Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1841, Lic. Apoth. Comp., 1841 Sept 1848 Davies Edward Graham's Town M.D. Giessen, 1842, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1847 Jan 1843 Dreyer Johannes Albertus George M.D., Leyd., 1841, Mem. Coll. Surg., Leyd., 1842 March 1842 Dunsterville George Edward Port Elizabeth Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1841, Lic. Apoth. Comp., 1842, F.R.C.S., Eng., 1863 April 1862 Duminy Benjamin François D'Urban M.B. Aberd., 1861, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1861, Midwy. Dipl. Aberd. 1861 Dec 1858 Dyer John Edward Uitenhage Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1857, Midwy. Dipl., Lond., 1858 Sept 1846 Ebden* Henry Anderson (Army) Rondebosch M.D., St. Andr., 1845, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond, 1845 August 1859 Edmonds Charles Joseph Burghersdorp Lic. Apoth. Comp., Lond., 1830 August 1854 Edmunds William Robben Island Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1852 - - Eddie Wm. Cruikshank Graham's Town (Army) Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1825 March 1857 Ensor Frederick Port Elizabeth Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1856, Lic. Apoth. Comp., 1856 Feb 1853 Flemmer Christian Augustus Cradock M.D., Copenh., 1837, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1852 August 1857 Fotheringham Thomas Victoria West Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1856 Sept 1862 Foster John Alexandria Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1845 Sept 1847 Glaeser Lodewyk W Worcester M.D. Leyd., 1846 - - Grey George Cradock (Army) M.D., Edin., 1854, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1854, Lic. Apoth. Comp., Lond. 1854 October 1861 Grimmer William Colesberg M.D. Aberd., 1861, Magister Chirurgia, Aberd. 1861, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1861 Jan 1861 Hafner Stephen Rudolph Darling, Malmesburg M.D., Göttingen, 1856 Dec 1858 Hanf Friedrich August Robertson M.D., Giessen, 1858, Mem. Coll. Surg., Berlin, 1858 April 1857 Hall Benjamin William - Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1865, Midwy. Dipl., Lond., 1855 August 1859 Hare Henry Woodroffe Knysna Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1838, Lic. Apoth. Comp., 1840 Dec 1868 Hare Matthew Everard Namaqualand M.B., Dublin, 1866, M.C., 1860 Oct 1861 Harkema Roelf Eppes Worcester None registered July 1853 Herman Johannes Zacharias Cape Town M.D., Leyd., 1852, Mem. Coll. Surg., Leyd., 1853 Dec 1836 Hiddingh Jonas Michiel, M.L.C. Newlands None registered Nov 1867 Hill Arthur Namaqualand Lic. Apoth. Comp., 1864, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Eng., 1866 June 1868 Hoffa Maurice Somerset East M.D., Berlin, 1849 July 1858 Housley Charles Port Elizabeth Mem. R. Coll. Surg., London, 1840, Lic. Apoth. Comp., 1838 Oct 1866 Jackson Andrew Christopher Cape Town Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1865, Lic. Coll. Surg., Edin., 1866, Lic. of Coll. Phys. Edin., 1866, Midwy. Dipl. Lond., 1865, Midwy. Dipl. Edin. Coll. 1866 June 1859 Kitching Chas. Watson Cape Town M.B., Lond., 1858, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1855, Lic. Apoth. Comp., 1853 January 1862 Kitching Thomas Mossel Bay Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1860, Lic. Apoth. Comp., 1860 June 1863 Klaverwyden Albertus Piketberg M.D., Louvain, 1860 June 1863 Kotze Christoffel Casparus Johannes Bredasdorp M.D., Leyd., Mem. Coll. Surg., Leyd., Midwy. Dipl. Leyd., 1862 Dec 1862 Kranz Melchior J.F. Queen's Town M.D., Wurzb., 1856, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Eng., 1862 Sept 1868 Knowles Henry Graham's Town Lic. Coll. Phys. Edin. 1867, Lic. Midwy. Edin., 1867, Lic. Midwy., Glasg., 1867, Lic. Apoth. Comp. Lond. 18?? January 1842 Kuys Michiel Jacobus Worcester M.D., Leyd., 1839, Mem. Coll. Surg., Leyd., 1841 January 1866 Kellner Bernhard Otto Bloemfontein, Orange Free State M.D., Berlin, Magister Chirurgia, Berlin, 1861 August 1817 Laing* John Somerset Hospital, Cape Town Lic. Coll. Surg., Edin., 1816 Sept 1860 Laing John Drummond Katberg Convict Station Lic. Fac. Phy. and Surg., Glasgow, 1859 Sept 1861 Landsberg* John Philip Cape Town M.D., Edin., 1860, Midwy. Dipl., Edin., 1860 Dec 1854 Lawrence Henry George Convict Station Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1850, Lic. Apoth. Comp., 1850, Lic. R. Coll. Phys., Lond., 1851 August 1852 Lilienfeld Abraham Graaff-Reinet M.D. Wurtzb., 1850 June 1865 Lüntzel Armin Tarkastad Surgeon, late British German Legion Jan 1867 Le Sueur Ryk Tulbagh Port Elizabeth M.D., Edin., 1865, Lic. of Surg., Edin., 1866, Lic. of Midwy., Edin., 1866, Lic. of Midwy., Vienna 18?? Jan 1843 Maasdorp Gysbert Henry Graaff-Reinet M.D., Leyd., 1839, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1842 May 1859 Macarthy James Katberg Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1850, Lic. Apoth. Comp., 1850 Feb 1862 Meintjes Stephanus Jacobus Burghersdorp M.D., Edin., 1861, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1861 August 1862 Meyer Heinrich - M.D., Wurtzb., 1862 March 1860 Morkel William Caledon M.D., Edin., 1858, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1858 October 1834 Muntingh Fredrik Willem Wellington M.D., Leyd., 1834 June 1859 Muskett Joseph James Murraysburg Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1857, Lic. Apoth. Comp., 1857 Oct 1866 Muskett Edwin B Hope Town M.D., Aberd., M.C., Aberd., 1865 Feb 1858 Neebe Carolus Wigandas Fauresmith M.D., Marburg, 1857 August 1862 Nixon Henry Clements - Lic. Coll. Phy., Edin., 1860, Lic. Coll. Surg., Ireland 1858 Feb 1862 Orton Richard - M.B., Lond., 1860, Lic. Coll. Surg. Edin., 1861 October 1858 Otto William James Natal M.D., Edin., 1856, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1858 Nov 1867 Palmer Henry Rowland Alice Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Eng., 1856 February 1859 Paul Carl Ceres M.D., Jena, 1857 Dec 1868 Paul Ferdinand - M.D., Wurzburg, 1866 June 1857 Pronk Isaac Jordaan Kronstadt None registered March 1869 Purcell Walter Patrick Joseph Calvinia Lic. Coll. Phys., Ireland, 1862, Mem. Coll. Surg., 1856 October 1863 Reid James Gerhard Riversdale M.D., Edin., 1862, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Eng., 1863 May 1864 Reid Duncan Colesberg M.D., Edin., 1862, Midwy. Dipl., 1862 June 1862 Robertson John Robert Hope Town M.D., Heidel., 1852 Nov 1862 Roser Rudolf Genadenadal M.D., Tobingin and Studgart, 1856 March 1859 Ross* William Henry Cape Town M.D., St. Andr., 1858, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond. 1857 Dec 1841 Roux Jacobus Petrus Cape Town M.D., Leyd., 1839, Mem. Coll. Surg., Leyd., 1841 Nov 1843 Roentgen Paul Louis Stellenbosch M.D., Wurtzburg, 1842 Dec 1856 Ruoff Joseph Friederich Queen's Town M.D., Tobingin and Studgart, 1833 Feb 1867 Rood Moses Juda Hopefield Lic. of Surg., Harlem, 1841, Lic. Midwy., Harlem, 1842 Nov 1860 Sandwith Godfrey Somerset West M.D., Edin., 1849, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Eng., 1852 April 1869 Schonnberg Nicolaas Everhardus Calvinia M.D., Edin., August, 1868, Lic. Coll Surg., 1868, Lic. Midwy. Edin., 1868 Sept 1842 Shea* Henry Daniel (Navy) Diep River Mem. R. Coll. Surg. Lond., 1836, Lic. Apoth. Comp., 1832 February 1859 Simons Arnold Jean Jaques Biesman Malmesbury M.D., Leyd., 1857, Mem. Coll. Surg., Leyd., 1857 February 1830 Simpson William Bokkeveld Lic. Coll. Surg., Edin., 1829, Midwy. Dipl. Edin., 1829 July 1863 Shand John Swellendam M.B., Aberd., Magister Chirurgia, Aberd., 1863 Nov 1844 Smuts Cornelis Stellenbosch M.D., Leyd., 1842, Mem. Coll. Surg., Leyd., 1844 Nov 1844 Smuts Johannes Paarl M.D., Leyd., 1844, Mem. Coll. Surg., Leyd., 1844 April 1860 Spranger Stephen - Fell. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1856 October 1850 Stewart* Peter Gordon Rondebosch M.D., St. Andr., 1843, Lic Fac. Phy. and Surg., Glasg., 1839 Nov 1865 Smidt, John de Fort Beaufort M.D., Edin., 1861, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Eng., 1861 January 1866 Sutherland William Humansdorp M.B., Aberd., 1863, Magister Chirurgia, Aberd., 1863 June 1859 Thom Andrew Victoria West M.D., Glasg., 1849 June 1863 Thorne Thomas Henry Queen's Town Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Eng., 1861, Lic. Apoth. Comp., 1862 Dec 1869 Toit du Ernst Frederik Wellington Phys., Sur., and Achr., Lic. Coll. Phys. and Surg., Glas., 1869, Midwy. Dipl., Glas., 1869 Nov 1859 Treadwell Samuel Beaufort West Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1855 Nov 1826 Versveld Jacob Stellenbosch M.D., Edin., 1826 August 1861 Vix Charles East London M.D., Leyd., 1855 October 1842 Wehr Johann Benjamin Theodor Cape Town M.D., Heidel., 1835 October 1834 White Henry, M.L.C. Cape Town Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1834, Midwy. Dipl. Lond., 1834 Dec 1867 Williamson John Edwin Simon's Town Lic. Apoth. Comp., 1857, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Eng., M.D., Edin., 1857 May 1866 Wright John Wynberg M.D., Edin., 1849, Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Edin., 1866, Lic. Midwy., Edin., 186- October 1863 Zahn Gustav Tulbagh M.D., Wurtzburg, 1862 October 1834 Zeederberg Johannes Roedolph Paarl M.D. Edin., 1833, Lic Coll. Surg., Edin., 1833 Dec 1865 Zeederberg Roelof Abraham Hanover M.D. Leyd., 1865 February 1861 Ziervogel Jeremias Frederik Middelburg Mem. R. Coll. Surg., Lond., 1860 * NOTE - Member of the Colonial Medical Council kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Scribes Ink. Publishing - South African Genealogy on CD www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm Join the South-Africa-Cape-Town Maling list at: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ZAF/SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN.html

    04/12/2004 01:18:49
    1. Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Cemetery Recording News - Genealogical Society of South Africa
    2. Heather MacAlister

    3. Hello Erroll This is very noble to offer a copy of the Cemetery Recording News free of charge and wonder just how long this will last until people have to pay for it, like anything else that is brought out by the GSSA ? kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Scribes Ink. Publishing - South African Genealogy on CD www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Errol Dollenberg" <mwedolly@mweb.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 10:12 PM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Cemetery Recording News - Genealogical Society of South Africa > Hello all List Members, > > I posted an offer on 4 April for any interested persons to contact me 'off list' if they were interested in receiving an e-mail copy of Cemetery Recording News free of charge. It is a quarterly publication of the Cemetery Recording Project section of the GSSA. > > The response has been very positive so far and I wish to thank all those who have contacted me. > > If you have not yet received all 4 editions, please let me know 'off list' and I will correct the situation. > > I wish to repeat my offer to any other list members who are interested to contact me at mwedolly@mweb.co.za direct to request their names to be added to my e-mail list. New names can be added at any time and I will let you have a copy of all 4 editions so far issued. > > Remember it is FREE. > > Regards, > > Errol Dollenberg > (011) 609-1583 (H) > 082 217 2433 (cell) > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > www.genealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >

    04/12/2004 05:41:27
    1. DE CARVALHO
    2. Eileen Flinn

    3. Hello everyone, I am trying to trace the origins of Eduardo Augusto DE CARVALHO. I believe that he was born around 1835 in Lisbon and eventually became 1st Portuguese Consul in the Cape of Good Hope in 1881. If anyone knows anything about this family or could give me any pointers on how to proceed, I would love to hear from you. Eileen Flinn Nottingham, England

    04/12/2004 04:23:59
    1. Cemetery Recording News - Genealogical Society of South Africa
    2. Errol Dollenberg

    3. Hello all List Members, I posted an offer on 4 April for any interested persons to contact me 'off list' if they were interested in receiving an e-mail copy of Cemetery Recording News free of charge. It is a quarterly publication of the Cemetery Recording Project section of the GSSA. The response has been very positive so far and I wish to thank all those who have contacted me. If you have not yet received all 4 editions, please let me know 'off list' and I will correct the situation. I wish to repeat my offer to any other list members who are interested to contact me at mwedolly@mweb.co.za direct to request their names to be added to my e-mail list. New names can be added at any time and I will let you have a copy of all 4 editions so far issued. Remember it is FREE. Regards, Errol Dollenberg (011) 609-1583 (H) 082 217 2433 (cell)

    04/11/2004 04:12:37
    1. Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL
    2. Heather MacAlister

    3. Hello Maureen This was my reply to your original email Hi Maureen Don't have a problem you sending any info to the mailing list as long as it does not become an "1820 settler list" Which Clifton Street are you looking for one in Rondebosch? There is a Clifton Road in Claremont, Clifton Road in Clifton, Clifton Rd in Mowbray (close to Rondebosch), Muizenberg, Tamboerskloof, District Six and Observatory There was a C. Randall living at 42 Fenton Road Salt River in 1900 and E.G. Randall living at Eureka Road Rondebosch. There was also a Dr. A.G.W. Farrell who lived at 1 Reform Rd Rondebosch. Reform Rd is about two hundred metres behind the main road in the vicinity of Westerford High School. Hope this helps kind regards Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Brady" <mbrady@telkomsa.net> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > Hi Heather > > No, nothing's come through (but this one came through twice), unless it's > the one you sent yesterday asking about which Clifton Street it might be, > plus some Randall and Farrell details (I did reply to that, though). Please > send it again if it is not the same message. > > So Randall's Hotel was still extant in the late 1960s -- that's interesting. > Should make it easier to find other references to it. I've never delved into > property records -- does anyone have any advice on how to go about this for > Cape Town? Bearing in mind I live about 1000km north. > > Thanks > Maureen Brady > Johannesburg > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@genealogy.co.za> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 12:35 PM > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > > > > Hello Maureen > > Did you get the email I sent to the list with the info on the Farrell's > and > > Randall's Hotels etc as it seems to have got lost in space. I have an old > > 1967 Cape Times Street Directory with Randall's Hotel Listed. > > Yes I have noticed well into the 1870's the unclaimed letters held at the > > post office in Cape Town - they were very efficient in those days > > kind regards > > Heather > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Maureen Brady" <mbrady@telkomsa.net> > > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 4:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > > > > > > > Hi Sharon > > > > > > I don't think I've replied to this, sorry. Thanks a lot, but I live in > > > Jo'burg and it's going to be quite a while before I can visit the CT > > > Archives again. The last time I was there, I went through several > volumes > > of > > > Gazettes, and quite agree they're full of fascinating info. > > > > > > Something that really intrigued me (in a volume for the 1860s) was how > > they > > > listed the addressees of all the letters that had arrived at the Post > > Office > > > each week -- can you imagine if that had to be done now?! I guess these > > were > > > letters addressed to Poste Restante, Cape Town, probably mainly letters > > from > > > overseas, where the sender had lost touch with someone and didn't know > the > > > street address of the person they were writing to, or even whether they > > were > > > still in CT. I presume that, if Mrs A in Claremont was writing to her > > friend > > > Mrs B in Rondebosch to invite her to dinner, the letter would have been > > > addressed to, and delivered to, Mrs B's street address, so no need to > > > publish this in the Gazettes. > > > > > > With Randalls Hotel, I was hoping someone has access to old street or > > > commercial directories for CT that might list the hotel or even feature > an > > > advertisement. I've never seen one of these, so don't know whether they > > > included ads. The other alternative is to search through the newspaper > > > archives, but that will also have to wait until I can visit CT again. > > > > > > Kind regards > > > Maureen Brady > > > Johannesburg > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Sharon Warr" <snw@absamail.co.za> > > > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:44 PM > > > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, > FARRELL > > > > > > > > > > Hi Maureen & Heather > > > > The renewal of licences for bakers, hotels, butchers etc comes up > quite > > > > often in the Government Gazette - it seems that it was an ongoing > thing > > > and > > > > all the districts had to reapply. A really great source of > information > > if > > > > you are willing to trawl throught the weekly Gazette. All the other > > stuff > > > > in it is fascinating too. > > > > Cheers for now > > > > Sharon > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Maureen Brady" <mbrady@telkomsa.net> > > > > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:15 PM > > > > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Listers > > > > > > > > > > I've recently uncovered a whole family of FARRELLs who almost all > have > > > > > "Hotel Proprietor" on their Death Notices, on one of which is noted > > > > Randalls > > > > > Hotel, Rondebosch, so I presume this may have been the name of their > > > > family > > > > > hotel > > > > > (but not necessarily). Any further info would be greatly > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > The parents were James FARRELL and Ann (born BRADY). This James > seems > > to > > > > be > > > > > the same James F listed under the Children's Friend Society in Esme > > > Bull's > > > > > book as: > > > > > > > > > > Farrell, James: apprenticed to DJ van der Merwe, Wellington, > absconded > > > > > ("Zuid-Afrikaan", 18.11.1842). > > > > > > > > > > His Death Notice (#873 filed 25 September 1874) doesn't give details > > > about > > > > > birthplace or parents but as he died age 45, this 'orphan' status > plus > > > his > > > > > age are consistent, if he > > > > > was about 13 in 1842. He died at his residence in Papendorp (near > the > > > > mouth > > > > > of the Olifants River a few hundred miles north up the West Coast) > on > > 13 > > > > > August > > > > > 1868. His wife survived him by 29 years. She died in 1897 (DN 3185), > > > which > > > > > states she was born in Co Clare, Ireland, but no details of parents > > are > > > > > given. Although she was illiterate (signed James's DN with a cross) > > she > > > > > managed to leave "Landed property and furniture" when she died -- > > what's > > > > > more, the DN clearly states she held this property in her own name. > > I've > > > > > never seen this on a DN before, a note for the Executors of the > > > > pre-deceased > > > > > testator -- "No property or effects were accumulated in the lifetime > > of > > > > the > > > > > late James Farrell. All properties are registered in the name of the > > > > > deceased". Not bad for an illiterate Irish lass who probably started > > > from > > > > > the lowest of scratch, is it? > > > > > > > > > > Ann Farrell died at her own home at No 2 -- and this is where the > > first > > > > > problem sets in because the > > > > > handwriting on the DN is almost illegible -- Celeplon? Celepton? > > > Elepton? > > > > > Street [no suburb given], Cape Town. This name rings no bells in my > > old > > > CT > > > > > head, and the word itself makes no sense. > > > > > > > > > > ***LATER: got it! after analysing the handwriting against other > > > individual > > > > > letter formations on the DN ... > > > > > > > > > > CLIFTON Street -- but there are FIVE (Roads, not Streets) in CT: > > > > Claremont, > > > > > Clifton, Mowbray, Muizenberg, Wynberg > > > > > > > > > > On the father's DN, the children are listed as: > > > > > > > > > > Anne (must have predeceased her mother or died young) > > > > > Margaret > > > > > James > > > > > ?Mary > > > > > John > > > > > Ellen > > > > > Bridget (predeceased her mother in 1893) > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > On the mother's DN, they are: > > > > > > > > > > Margarent MACON (later DOYLE) > > > > > James > > > > > Mary GREEN > > > > > John > > > > > Ellen VAS > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > For the children, I have found the following three DNs: > > > > > > > > > > James (#3125) 1901, retired, unmarried, died at Randalls Hotel, > > > Rondebosch > > > > > Bridget (#694) 1893, hotel proprietor, unmarried, died at Muizenberg > > > > > Michael (#2799) 1912, hotel proprietor, married Henrietta CHRISTIANI > > > > (sounds > > > > > Italian), died > > > > > at 'Kelso', Kenilworth (another interesting clue) > > > > > four children, all minors: > > > > > Susan Doris > > > > > Hilda Ann > > > > > Michael Dudley > > > > > Horace Stephen > > > > > > > > > > Also one for Margaret DOYLE who signed her sister Bridget's DN. > > Margaret > > > > > died 1910, possibly abandoned by her still-living spouse, alone in > the > > > Old > > > > > Somerset Hospital, because her DN seems to be signed by a surgeon. > > > > > > > > > > There's a coherent family story locked up in these bare facts. > > > References > > > > > from street directories, voters rolls, contemporary newspapers > anyone > > > > might > > > > > have access to will be very welcome -- even more so would be > > discovering > > > > > someone with these people in their more immediate tree -- I think we > > > could > > > > > usefully trade branches and stories. The FARRELLs may have had close > > lin > > > ks > > > > > with the Eastern Cape. in the 1850s. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Maureen Brady > > > > > Johannesburg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > > > > Cape Town Family History Society > > > > > www.genealogy.co.za/society.html > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > > > SCRIBES Ink. Publishing > > > > www.genealogy.co.za - Genealogy Books on CD > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > > SCRIBES Ink. Publishing > > > www.genealogy.co.za - Genealogy Books on CD > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > > www.genealogy.co.za > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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    04/11/2004 05:32:34
    1. Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL
    2. Maureen Brady

    3. Hi Heather No, nothing's come through (but this one came through twice), unless it's the one you sent yesterday asking about which Clifton Street it might be, plus some Randall and Farrell details (I did reply to that, though). Please send it again if it is not the same message. So Randall's Hotel was still extant in the late 1960s -- that's interesting. Should make it easier to find other references to it. I've never delved into property records -- does anyone have any advice on how to go about this for Cape Town? Bearing in mind I live about 1000km north. Thanks Maureen Brady Johannesburg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@genealogy.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > Hello Maureen > Did you get the email I sent to the list with the info on the Farrell's and > Randall's Hotels etc as it seems to have got lost in space. I have an old > 1967 Cape Times Street Directory with Randall's Hotel Listed. > Yes I have noticed well into the 1870's the unclaimed letters held at the > post office in Cape Town - they were very efficient in those days > kind regards > Heather > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maureen Brady" <mbrady@telkomsa.net> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > > > > Hi Sharon > > > > I don't think I've replied to this, sorry. Thanks a lot, but I live in > > Jo'burg and it's going to be quite a while before I can visit the CT > > Archives again. The last time I was there, I went through several volumes > of > > Gazettes, and quite agree they're full of fascinating info. > > > > Something that really intrigued me (in a volume for the 1860s) was how > they > > listed the addressees of all the letters that had arrived at the Post > Office > > each week -- can you imagine if that had to be done now?! I guess these > were > > letters addressed to Poste Restante, Cape Town, probably mainly letters > from > > overseas, where the sender had lost touch with someone and didn't know the > > street address of the person they were writing to, or even whether they > were > > still in CT. I presume that, if Mrs A in Claremont was writing to her > friend > > Mrs B in Rondebosch to invite her to dinner, the letter would have been > > addressed to, and delivered to, Mrs B's street address, so no need to > > publish this in the Gazettes. > > > > With Randalls Hotel, I was hoping someone has access to old street or > > commercial directories for CT that might list the hotel or even feature an > > advertisement. I've never seen one of these, so don't know whether they > > included ads. The other alternative is to search through the newspaper > > archives, but that will also have to wait until I can visit CT again. > > > > Kind regards > > Maureen Brady > > Johannesburg > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sharon Warr" <snw@absamail.co.za> > > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > > > > > > > Hi Maureen & Heather > > > The renewal of licences for bakers, hotels, butchers etc comes up quite > > > often in the Government Gazette - it seems that it was an ongoing thing > > and > > > all the districts had to reapply. A really great source of information > if > > > you are willing to trawl throught the weekly Gazette. All the other > stuff > > > in it is fascinating too. > > > Cheers for now > > > Sharon > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Maureen Brady" <mbrady@telkomsa.net> > > > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:15 PM > > > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > > > > > > > > > > Hi Listers > > > > > > > > I've recently uncovered a whole family of FARRELLs who almost all have > > > > "Hotel Proprietor" on their Death Notices, on one of which is noted > > > Randalls > > > > Hotel, Rondebosch, so I presume this may have been the name of their > > > family > > > > hotel > > > > (but not necessarily). Any further info would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > The parents were James FARRELL and Ann (born BRADY). This James seems > to > > > be > > > > the same James F listed under the Children's Friend Society in Esme > > Bull's > > > > book as: > > > > > > > > Farrell, James: apprenticed to DJ van der Merwe, Wellington, absconded > > > > ("Zuid-Afrikaan", 18.11.1842). > > > > > > > > His Death Notice (#873 filed 25 September 1874) doesn't give details > > about > > > > birthplace or parents but as he died age 45, this 'orphan' status plus > > his > > > > age are consistent, if he > > > > was about 13 in 1842. He died at his residence in Papendorp (near the > > > mouth > > > > of the Olifants River a few hundred miles north up the West Coast) on > 13 > > > > August > > > > 1868. His wife survived him by 29 years. She died in 1897 (DN 3185), > > which > > > > states she was born in Co Clare, Ireland, but no details of parents > are > > > > given. Although she was illiterate (signed James's DN with a cross) > she > > > > managed to leave "Landed property and furniture" when she died -- > what's > > > > more, the DN clearly states she held this property in her own name. > I've > > > > never seen this on a DN before, a note for the Executors of the > > > pre-deceased > > > > testator -- "No property or effects were accumulated in the lifetime > of > > > the > > > > late James Farrell. All properties are registered in the name of the > > > > deceased". Not bad for an illiterate Irish lass who probably started > > from > > > > the lowest of scratch, is it? > > > > > > > > Ann Farrell died at her own home at No 2 -- and this is where the > first > > > > problem sets in because the > > > > handwriting on the DN is almost illegible -- Celeplon? Celepton? > > Elepton? > > > > Street [no suburb given], Cape Town. This name rings no bells in my > old > > CT > > > > head, and the word itself makes no sense. > > > > > > > > ***LATER: got it! after analysing the handwriting against other > > individual > > > > letter formations on the DN ... > > > > > > > > CLIFTON Street -- but there are FIVE (Roads, not Streets) in CT: > > > Claremont, > > > > Clifton, Mowbray, Muizenberg, Wynberg > > > > > > > > On the father's DN, the children are listed as: > > > > > > > > Anne (must have predeceased her mother or died young) > > > > Margaret > > > > James > > > > ?Mary > > > > John > > > > Ellen > > > > Bridget (predeceased her mother in 1893) > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > On the mother's DN, they are: > > > > > > > > Margarent MACON (later DOYLE) > > > > James > > > > Mary GREEN > > > > John > > > > Ellen VAS > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > For the children, I have found the following three DNs: > > > > > > > > James (#3125) 1901, retired, unmarried, died at Randalls Hotel, > > Rondebosch > > > > Bridget (#694) 1893, hotel proprietor, unmarried, died at Muizenberg > > > > Michael (#2799) 1912, hotel proprietor, married Henrietta CHRISTIANI > > > (sounds > > > > Italian), died > > > > at 'Kelso', Kenilworth (another interesting clue) > > > > four children, all minors: > > > > Susan Doris > > > > Hilda Ann > > > > Michael Dudley > > > > Horace Stephen > > > > > > > > Also one for Margaret DOYLE who signed her sister Bridget's DN. > Margaret > > > > died 1910, possibly abandoned by her still-living spouse, alone in the > > Old > > > > Somerset Hospital, because her DN seems to be signed by a surgeon. > > > > > > > > There's a coherent family story locked up in these bare facts. > > References > > > > from street directories, voters rolls, contemporary newspapers anyone > > > might > > > > have access to will be very welcome -- even more so would be > discovering > > > > someone with these people in their more immediate tree -- I think we > > could > > > > usefully trade branches and stories. The FARRELLs may have had close > lin > > ks > > > > with the Eastern Cape. in the 1850s. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Maureen Brady > > > > Johannesburg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > > > Cape Town Family History Society > > > > www.genealogy.co.za/society.html > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > > SCRIBES Ink. Publishing > > > www.genealogy.co.za - Genealogy Books on CD > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > SCRIBES Ink. Publishing > > www.genealogy.co.za - Genealogy Books on CD > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > www.genealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

    04/10/2004 09:35:20
    1. Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL
    2. Heather MacAlister

    3. Hello Maureen Did you get the email I sent to the list with the info on the Farrell's and Randall's Hotels etc as it seems to have got lost in space. I have an old 1967 Cape Times Street Directory with Randall's Hotel Listed. Yes I have noticed well into the 1870's the unclaimed letters held at the post office in Cape Town - they were very efficient in those days kind regards Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Brady" <mbrady@telkomsa.net> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > Hi Sharon > > I don't think I've replied to this, sorry. Thanks a lot, but I live in > Jo'burg and it's going to be quite a while before I can visit the CT > Archives again. The last time I was there, I went through several volumes of > Gazettes, and quite agree they're full of fascinating info. > > Something that really intrigued me (in a volume for the 1860s) was how they > listed the addressees of all the letters that had arrived at the Post Office > each week -- can you imagine if that had to be done now?! I guess these were > letters addressed to Poste Restante, Cape Town, probably mainly letters from > overseas, where the sender had lost touch with someone and didn't know the > street address of the person they were writing to, or even whether they were > still in CT. I presume that, if Mrs A in Claremont was writing to her friend > Mrs B in Rondebosch to invite her to dinner, the letter would have been > addressed to, and delivered to, Mrs B's street address, so no need to > publish this in the Gazettes. > > With Randalls Hotel, I was hoping someone has access to old street or > commercial directories for CT that might list the hotel or even feature an > advertisement. I've never seen one of these, so don't know whether they > included ads. The other alternative is to search through the newspaper > archives, but that will also have to wait until I can visit CT again. > > Kind regards > Maureen Brady > Johannesburg > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon Warr" <snw@absamail.co.za> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:44 PM > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > > > > Hi Maureen & Heather > > The renewal of licences for bakers, hotels, butchers etc comes up quite > > often in the Government Gazette - it seems that it was an ongoing thing > and > > all the districts had to reapply. A really great source of information if > > you are willing to trawl throught the weekly Gazette. All the other stuff > > in it is fascinating too. > > Cheers for now > > Sharon > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Maureen Brady" <mbrady@telkomsa.net> > > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:15 PM > > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > > > > > > > Hi Listers > > > > > > I've recently uncovered a whole family of FARRELLs who almost all have > > > "Hotel Proprietor" on their Death Notices, on one of which is noted > > Randalls > > > Hotel, Rondebosch, so I presume this may have been the name of their > > family > > > hotel > > > (but not necessarily). Any further info would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > The parents were James FARRELL and Ann (born BRADY). This James seems to > > be > > > the same James F listed under the Children's Friend Society in Esme > Bull's > > > book as: > > > > > > Farrell, James: apprenticed to DJ van der Merwe, Wellington, absconded > > > ("Zuid-Afrikaan", 18.11.1842). > > > > > > His Death Notice (#873 filed 25 September 1874) doesn't give details > about > > > birthplace or parents but as he died age 45, this 'orphan' status plus > his > > > age are consistent, if he > > > was about 13 in 1842. He died at his residence in Papendorp (near the > > mouth > > > of the Olifants River a few hundred miles north up the West Coast) on 13 > > > August > > > 1868. His wife survived him by 29 years. She died in 1897 (DN 3185), > which > > > states she was born in Co Clare, Ireland, but no details of parents are > > > given. Although she was illiterate (signed James's DN with a cross) she > > > managed to leave "Landed property and furniture" when she died -- what's > > > more, the DN clearly states she held this property in her own name. I've > > > never seen this on a DN before, a note for the Executors of the > > pre-deceased > > > testator -- "No property or effects were accumulated in the lifetime of > > the > > > late James Farrell. All properties are registered in the name of the > > > deceased". Not bad for an illiterate Irish lass who probably started > from > > > the lowest of scratch, is it? > > > > > > Ann Farrell died at her own home at No 2 -- and this is where the first > > > problem sets in because the > > > handwriting on the DN is almost illegible -- Celeplon? Celepton? > Elepton? > > > Street [no suburb given], Cape Town. This name rings no bells in my old > CT > > > head, and the word itself makes no sense. > > > > > > ***LATER: got it! after analysing the handwriting against other > individual > > > letter formations on the DN ... > > > > > > CLIFTON Street -- but there are FIVE (Roads, not Streets) in CT: > > Claremont, > > > Clifton, Mowbray, Muizenberg, Wynberg > > > > > > On the father's DN, the children are listed as: > > > > > > Anne (must have predeceased her mother or died young) > > > Margaret > > > James > > > ?Mary > > > John > > > Ellen > > > Bridget (predeceased her mother in 1893) > > > Michael > > > > > > On the mother's DN, they are: > > > > > > Margarent MACON (later DOYLE) > > > James > > > Mary GREEN > > > John > > > Ellen VAS > > > Michael > > > > > > For the children, I have found the following three DNs: > > > > > > James (#3125) 1901, retired, unmarried, died at Randalls Hotel, > Rondebosch > > > Bridget (#694) 1893, hotel proprietor, unmarried, died at Muizenberg > > > Michael (#2799) 1912, hotel proprietor, married Henrietta CHRISTIANI > > (sounds > > > Italian), died > > > at 'Kelso', Kenilworth (another interesting clue) > > > four children, all minors: > > > Susan Doris > > > Hilda Ann > > > Michael Dudley > > > Horace Stephen > > > > > > Also one for Margaret DOYLE who signed her sister Bridget's DN. Margaret > > > died 1910, possibly abandoned by her still-living spouse, alone in the > Old > > > Somerset Hospital, because her DN seems to be signed by a surgeon. > > > > > > There's a coherent family story locked up in these bare facts. > References > > > from street directories, voters rolls, contemporary newspapers anyone > > might > > > have access to will be very welcome -- even more so would be discovering > > > someone with these people in their more immediate tree -- I think we > could > > > usefully trade branches and stories. The FARRELLs may have had close lin > ks > > > with the Eastern Cape. in the 1850s. > > > > > > Regards > > > Maureen Brady > > > Johannesburg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > > Cape Town Family History Society > > > www.genealogy.co.za/society.html > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > SCRIBES Ink. Publishing > > www.genealogy.co.za - Genealogy Books on CD > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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    04/10/2004 06:35:20
    1. Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL
    2. Maureen Brady

    3. Hi Sharon I don't think I've replied to this, sorry. Thanks a lot, but I live in Jo'burg and it's going to be quite a while before I can visit the CT Archives again. The last time I was there, I went through several volumes of Gazettes, and quite agree they're full of fascinating info. Something that really intrigued me (in a volume for the 1860s) was how they listed the addressees of all the letters that had arrived at the Post Office each week -- can you imagine if that had to be done now?! I guess these were letters addressed to Poste Restante, Cape Town, probably mainly letters from overseas, where the sender had lost touch with someone and didn't know the street address of the person they were writing to, or even whether they were still in CT. I presume that, if Mrs A in Claremont was writing to her friend Mrs B in Rondebosch to invite her to dinner, the letter would have been addressed to, and delivered to, Mrs B's street address, so no need to publish this in the Gazettes. With Randalls Hotel, I was hoping someone has access to old street or commercial directories for CT that might list the hotel or even feature an advertisement. I've never seen one of these, so don't know whether they included ads. The other alternative is to search through the newspaper archives, but that will also have to wait until I can visit CT again. Kind regards Maureen Brady Johannesburg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Warr" <snw@absamail.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > Hi Maureen & Heather > The renewal of licences for bakers, hotels, butchers etc comes up quite > often in the Government Gazette - it seems that it was an ongoing thing and > all the districts had to reapply. A really great source of information if > you are willing to trawl throught the weekly Gazette. All the other stuff > in it is fascinating too. > Cheers for now > Sharon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maureen Brady" <mbrady@telkomsa.net> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:15 PM > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > > > > Hi Listers > > > > I've recently uncovered a whole family of FARRELLs who almost all have > > "Hotel Proprietor" on their Death Notices, on one of which is noted > Randalls > > Hotel, Rondebosch, so I presume this may have been the name of their > family > > hotel > > (but not necessarily). Any further info would be greatly appreciated. > > > > The parents were James FARRELL and Ann (born BRADY). This James seems to > be > > the same James F listed under the Children's Friend Society in Esme Bull's > > book as: > > > > Farrell, James: apprenticed to DJ van der Merwe, Wellington, absconded > > ("Zuid-Afrikaan", 18.11.1842). > > > > His Death Notice (#873 filed 25 September 1874) doesn't give details about > > birthplace or parents but as he died age 45, this 'orphan' status plus his > > age are consistent, if he > > was about 13 in 1842. He died at his residence in Papendorp (near the > mouth > > of the Olifants River a few hundred miles north up the West Coast) on 13 > > August > > 1868. His wife survived him by 29 years. She died in 1897 (DN 3185), which > > states she was born in Co Clare, Ireland, but no details of parents are > > given. Although she was illiterate (signed James's DN with a cross) she > > managed to leave "Landed property and furniture" when she died -- what's > > more, the DN clearly states she held this property in her own name. I've > > never seen this on a DN before, a note for the Executors of the > pre-deceased > > testator -- "No property or effects were accumulated in the lifetime of > the > > late James Farrell. All properties are registered in the name of the > > deceased". Not bad for an illiterate Irish lass who probably started from > > the lowest of scratch, is it? > > > > Ann Farrell died at her own home at No 2 -- and this is where the first > > problem sets in because the > > handwriting on the DN is almost illegible -- Celeplon? Celepton? Elepton? > > Street [no suburb given], Cape Town. This name rings no bells in my old CT > > head, and the word itself makes no sense. > > > > ***LATER: got it! after analysing the handwriting against other individual > > letter formations on the DN ... > > > > CLIFTON Street -- but there are FIVE (Roads, not Streets) in CT: > Claremont, > > Clifton, Mowbray, Muizenberg, Wynberg > > > > On the father's DN, the children are listed as: > > > > Anne (must have predeceased her mother or died young) > > Margaret > > James > > ?Mary > > John > > Ellen > > Bridget (predeceased her mother in 1893) > > Michael > > > > On the mother's DN, they are: > > > > Margarent MACON (later DOYLE) > > James > > Mary GREEN > > John > > Ellen VAS > > Michael > > > > For the children, I have found the following three DNs: > > > > James (#3125) 1901, retired, unmarried, died at Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch > > Bridget (#694) 1893, hotel proprietor, unmarried, died at Muizenberg > > Michael (#2799) 1912, hotel proprietor, married Henrietta CHRISTIANI > (sounds > > Italian), died > > at 'Kelso', Kenilworth (another interesting clue) > > four children, all minors: > > Susan Doris > > Hilda Ann > > Michael Dudley > > Horace Stephen > > > > Also one for Margaret DOYLE who signed her sister Bridget's DN. Margaret > > died 1910, possibly abandoned by her still-living spouse, alone in the Old > > Somerset Hospital, because her DN seems to be signed by a surgeon. > > > > There's a coherent family story locked up in these bare facts. References > > from street directories, voters rolls, contemporary newspapers anyone > might > > have access to will be very welcome -- even more so would be discovering > > someone with these people in their more immediate tree -- I think we could > > usefully trade branches and stories. The FARRELLs may have had close lin ks > > with the Eastern Cape. in the 1850s. > > > > Regards > > Maureen Brady > > Johannesburg > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > Cape Town Family History Society > > www.genealogy.co.za/society.html > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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    04/09/2004 10:20:01
    1. Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL
    2. Heather MacAlister

    3. Hi Maureen Don't have a problem you sending any info to the mailing list as long as it does not become an "1820 settler list" Which Clifton Street are you looking for one in Rondebosch? There is a Clifton Road in Claremont, Clifton Road in Clifton, Clifton Rd in Mowbray (close to Rondebosch), Muizenberg, Tamboerskloof, District Six and Observatory There was a C. Randall living at 42 Fenton Road Salt River in 1900 and E.G. Randall living at Eureka Road Rondebosch. There was also a Dr. A.G.W. Farrell who lived at 1 Reform Rd Rondebosch. Reform Rd is about two hundred metres behind the main road in the vicinity of Westerford High School. Hope this helps kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Scribes Ink. Publishing - Unlocking the Past with South African Genealogy Books on CD www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Brady" <mbrady@telkomsa.net> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > Hi Becky > > I was starting to give up on getting any reply to this enquiry...! > > I know this List is about CT, but I do have tantalising clues that there may > have been close CT-Eastern Cape links between these families. Also, I've > just recently read some of a book called "The Cape Parliament" (which has > chosen this moment to hide itself!! so I can't give you full details) > > We cannot divorce the history of Cape Town and the Eastern Cape between 1820 > and -- when? -- I can't think of the date when the Cape moved from > "responsible government" to "self-government". In fact, I'm sure this close > relationship persisted up to the creation of Union in 1910. After the > creation of the Cape Legislature, the Eastern Cape representatives had to > spend considerable time in Cape Town whenever Parliament was sitting. > Therefore, we should not seek to draw artificial boundaries between areas of > our research. The Cape Town Archives are, after all, the repository for the > entire province. > > Weird, I didn't get Heather's earlier message via the List at all, but that > might have more to do with the teething problems I'm having with a new PC > than the List. Thanks, Heather, I have the CRAAYENSTEIN info, didn't know > about HERTZOG, though. I've checked the FARRELL pages in SAG, but can't see > any of the people I'm looking for, despite having found several related DNs. > I think the SAG pedigrees are all unrelated branches, but only time will > tell whether any of them connect to mine. > > What I'd really like is some help in finding the historical location of > Randalls Hotel in Rondebosch, also to resolve WHICH Clifton Street it might > have been -- I don't have historical maps for that part of Cape Town. Info > about liquour licences would also be great, but no pressure, anyone -- it IS > the Easter long weekend, after all... > > Kind regards > Maureen Brady > Johannesburg > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Becky Horne" <beckyjh@telkomsa.net> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 6:11 PM > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > > > > Hi Heather > > > > At UPE they have condensed Government Gazettes for 1846 pertaining to > liquor > > licences. > > > > I looked through this briefly on my last visit to the library, but didn't > > make any notes. I'm not very sure about this, but I vaguely recall mention > > of the Albany district, which of course, would not be applicable to your > > mailing list as it only deals with Cape Town and the surrounds. However, I > > can have a look at this again should there be any interest. > > > > I cannot promise when this look-up can be done as UPE is very far from > home > > and my visits are limited to twice a month. > > > > Best wishes > > Becky > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@genealogy.co.za> > > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:48 AM > > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > > > > > > > Hello Maureen > > > > > > What an interesting story - only last week I came across a list of > persons > > > being given "licences" to sell liquor at establishments in the Southern > > > Suburbs - this appeared in the 1870 Government Gazette but I cannot > > remember > > > which week it was. > > > > > > There is a James Farrell who also appears in Family Register of the > South > > > African Nation who arrived in 1820 from Ireland and married on 28/1/1821 > > to > > > Sara Eilh. Craayenstein van die Kaap in Cape Town. She died on > 26/12/1831 > > > aged 52 years 7 months and 29 days. He then married Susanna Louisa > > HERTZOG > > > in Wynberg on 7/8/1837. > > > then > > > FARRELL, William Joseph Henry born 27/11/1873 in Simonstown son of J.W. > > > Farrell of Kenilworth. He married in 1908 to Maggie daughter of P.T.R. > > > SCHABORT from Pretoria. > > > There are 8 pages of FARRELL in SA Genealogies. > > > > > > hope this helps > > > Heather > > > > > > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za > > > Scribes Ink. Publishing - Unlocking the Past with South African Genealog > y > > > Books on CD www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html > > > Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Maureen Brady" <mbrady@telkomsa.net> > > > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:15 PM > > > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > > > > > > > > > > Hi Listers > > > > > > > > I've recently uncovered a whole family of FARRELLs who almost all have > > > > "Hotel Proprietor" on their Death Notices, on one of which is noted > > > Randalls > > > > Hotel, Rondebosch, so I presume this may have been the name of their > > > family > > > > hotel > > > > (but not necessarily). Any further info would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > The parents were James FARRELL and Ann (born BRADY). This James seems > to > > > be > > > > the same James F listed under the Children's Friend Society in Esme > > Bull's > > > > book as: > > > > > > > > Farrell, James: apprenticed to DJ van der Merwe, Wellington, absconded > > > > ("Zuid-Afrikaan", 18.11.1842). > > > > > > > > His Death Notice (#873 filed 25 September 1874) doesn't give details > > about > > > > birthplace or parents but as he died age 45, this 'orphan' status plus > > his > > > > age are consistent, if he > > > > was about 13 in 1842. He died at his residence in Papendorp (near the > > > mouth > > > > of the Olifants River a few hundred miles north up the West Coast) on > 13 > > > > August > > > > 1868. His wife survived him by 29 years. She died in 1897 (DN 3185), > > which > > > > states she was born in Co Clare, Ireland, but no details of parents > are > > > > given. Although she was illiterate (signed James's DN with a cross) > she > > > > managed to leave "Landed property and furniture" when she died -- > what's > > > > more, the DN clearly states she held this property in her own name. > I've > > > > never seen this on a DN before, a note for the Executors of the > > > pre-deceased > > > > testator -- "No property or effects were accumulated in the lifetime > of > > > the > > > > late James Farrell. All properties are registered in the name of the > > > > deceased". Not bad for an illiterate Irish lass who probably started > > from > > > > the lowest of scratch, is it? > > > > > > > > Ann Farrell died at her own home at No 2 -- and this is where the > first > > > > problem sets in because the > > > > handwriting on the DN is almost illegible -- Celeplon? Celepton? > > Elepton? > > > > Street [no suburb given], Cape Town. This name rings no bells in my > old > > CT > > > > head, and the word itself makes no sense. > > > > > > > > ***LATER: got it! after analysing the handwriting against other > > individual > > > > letter formations on the DN ... > > > > > > > > CLIFTON Street -- but there are FIVE (Roads, not Streets) in CT: > > > Claremont, > > > > Clifton, Mowbray, Muizenberg, Wynberg > > > > > > > > On the father's DN, the children are listed as: > > > > > > > > Anne (must have predeceased her mother or died young) > > > > Margaret > > > > James > > > > ?Mary > > > > John > > > > Ellen > > > > Bridget (predeceased her mother in 1893) > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > On the mother's DN, they are: > > > > > > > > Margarent MACON (later DOYLE) > > > > James > > > > Mary GREEN > > > > John > > > > Ellen VAS > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > For the children, I have found the following three DNs: > > > > > > > > James (#3125) 1901, retired, unmarried, died at Randalls Hotel, > > Rondebosch > > > > Bridget (#694) 1893, hotel proprietor, unmarried, died at Muizenberg > > > > Michael (#2799) 1912, hotel proprietor, married Henrietta CHRISTIANI > > > (sounds > > > > Italian), died > > > > at 'Kelso', Kenilworth (another interesting clue) > > > > four children, all minors: > > > > Susan Doris > > > > Hilda Ann > > > > Michael Dudley > > > > Horace Stephen > > > > > > > > Also one for Margaret DOYLE who signed her sister Bridget's DN. > Margaret > > > > died 1910, possibly abandoned by her still-living spouse, alone in the > > Old > > > > Somerset Hospital, because her DN seems to be signed by a surgeon. > > > > > > > > There's a coherent family story locked up in these bare facts. > > References > > > > from street directories, voters rolls, contemporary newspapers anyone > > > might > > > > have access to will be very welcome -- even more so would be > discovering > > > > someone with these people in their more immediate tree -- I think we > > could > > > > usefully trade branches and stories. The FARRELLs may have had close > > links > > > > with the Eastern Cape. in the 1850s. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Maureen Brady > > > > Johannesburg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > > > Cape Town Family History Society > > > > www.genealogy.co.za/society.html > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > > > www.genealogy.co.za > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > SCRIBES Ink. Publishing > > www.genealogy.co.za - Genealogy Books on CD > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Cape Town Family History Society > www.genealogy.co.za/society.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >

    04/09/2004 01:42:37
    1. Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL
    2. Heather MacAlister

    3. Hi Becky Yes they do generally bung the whole lot together - I am sure nobody will mind if both lots are sent to the list. kind thanks Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Scribes Ink. Publishing - Unlocking the Past with South African Genealogy Books on CD www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky Horne" <beckyjh@telkomsa.net> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > Hi Heather > > At UPE they have condensed Government Gazettes for 1846 pertaining to liquor > licences. > > I looked through this briefly on my last visit to the library, but didn't > make any notes. I'm not very sure about this, but I vaguely recall mention > of the Albany district, which of course, would not be applicable to your > mailing list as it only deals with Cape Town and the surrounds. However, I > can have a look at this again should there be any interest. > > I cannot promise when this look-up can be done as UPE is very far from home > and my visits are limited to twice a month. > > Best wishes > Becky > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@genealogy.co.za> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > > > > Hello Maureen > > > > What an interesting story - only last week I came across a list of persons > > being given "licences" to sell liquor at establishments in the Southern > > Suburbs - this appeared in the 1870 Government Gazette but I cannot > remember > > which week it was. > > > > There is a James Farrell who also appears in Family Register of the South > > African Nation who arrived in 1820 from Ireland and married on 28/1/1821 > to > > Sara Eilh. Craayenstein van die Kaap in Cape Town. She died on 26/12/1831 > > aged 52 years 7 months and 29 days. He then married Susanna Louisa > HERTZOG > > in Wynberg on 7/8/1837. > > then > > FARRELL, William Joseph Henry born 27/11/1873 in Simonstown son of J.W. > > Farrell of Kenilworth. He married in 1908 to Maggie daughter of P.T.R. > > SCHABORT from Pretoria. > > There are 8 pages of FARRELL in SA Genealogies. > > > > hope this helps > > Heather > > > > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za > > Scribes Ink. Publishing - Unlocking the Past with South African Genealogy > > Books on CD www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html > > Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Maureen Brady" <mbrady@telkomsa.net> > > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:15 PM > > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > > > > > > > Hi Listers > > > > > > I've recently uncovered a whole family of FARRELLs who almost all have > > > "Hotel Proprietor" on their Death Notices, on one of which is noted > > Randalls > > > Hotel, Rondebosch, so I presume this may have been the name of their > > family > > > hotel > > > (but not necessarily). Any further info would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > The parents were James FARRELL and Ann (born BRADY). This James seems to > > be > > > the same James F listed under the Children's Friend Society in Esme > Bull's > > > book as: > > > > > > Farrell, James: apprenticed to DJ van der Merwe, Wellington, absconded > > > ("Zuid-Afrikaan", 18.11.1842). > > > > > > His Death Notice (#873 filed 25 September 1874) doesn't give details > about > > > birthplace or parents but as he died age 45, this 'orphan' status plus > his > > > age are consistent, if he > > > was about 13 in 1842. He died at his residence in Papendorp (near the > > mouth > > > of the Olifants River a few hundred miles north up the West Coast) on 13 > > > August > > > 1868. His wife survived him by 29 years. She died in 1897 (DN 3185), > which > > > states she was born in Co Clare, Ireland, but no details of parents are > > > given. Although she was illiterate (signed James's DN with a cross) she > > > managed to leave "Landed property and furniture" when she died -- what's > > > more, the DN clearly states she held this property in her own name. I've > > > never seen this on a DN before, a note for the Executors of the > > pre-deceased > > > testator -- "No property or effects were accumulated in the lifetime of > > the > > > late James Farrell. All properties are registered in the name of the > > > deceased". Not bad for an illiterate Irish lass who probably started > from > > > the lowest of scratch, is it? > > > > > > Ann Farrell died at her own home at No 2 -- and this is where the first > > > problem sets in because the > > > handwriting on the DN is almost illegible -- Celeplon? Celepton? > Elepton? > > > Street [no suburb given], Cape Town. This name rings no bells in my old > CT > > > head, and the word itself makes no sense. > > > > > > ***LATER: got it! after analysing the handwriting against other > individual > > > letter formations on the DN ... > > > > > > CLIFTON Street -- but there are FIVE (Roads, not Streets) in CT: > > Claremont, > > > Clifton, Mowbray, Muizenberg, Wynberg > > > > > > On the father's DN, the children are listed as: > > > > > > Anne (must have predeceased her mother or died young) > > > Margaret > > > James > > > ?Mary > > > John > > > Ellen > > > Bridget (predeceased her mother in 1893) > > > Michael > > > > > > On the mother's DN, they are: > > > > > > Margarent MACON (later DOYLE) > > > James > > > Mary GREEN > > > John > > > Ellen VAS > > > Michael > > > > > > For the children, I have found the following three DNs: > > > > > > James (#3125) 1901, retired, unmarried, died at Randalls Hotel, > Rondebosch > > > Bridget (#694) 1893, hotel proprietor, unmarried, died at Muizenberg > > > Michael (#2799) 1912, hotel proprietor, married Henrietta CHRISTIANI > > (sounds > > > Italian), died > > > at 'Kelso', Kenilworth (another interesting clue) > > > four children, all minors: > > > Susan Doris > > > Hilda Ann > > > Michael Dudley > > > Horace Stephen > > > > > > Also one for Margaret DOYLE who signed her sister Bridget's DN. Margaret > > > died 1910, possibly abandoned by her still-living spouse, alone in the > Old > > > Somerset Hospital, because her DN seems to be signed by a surgeon. > > > > > > There's a coherent family story locked up in these bare facts. > References > > > from street directories, voters rolls, contemporary newspapers anyone > > might > > > have access to will be very welcome -- even more so would be discovering > > > someone with these people in their more immediate tree -- I think we > could > > > usefully trade branches and stories. The FARRELLs may have had close > links > > > with the Eastern Cape. in the 1850s. > > > > > > Regards > > > Maureen Brady > > > Johannesburg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > > Cape Town Family History Society > > > www.genealogy.co.za/society.html > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > > www.genealogy.co.za > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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    04/09/2004 01:15:56
    1. Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL
    2. Maureen Brady

    3. Hi Becky I was starting to give up on getting any reply to this enquiry...! I know this List is about CT, but I do have tantalising clues that there may have been close CT-Eastern Cape links between these families. Also, I've just recently read some of a book called "The Cape Parliament" (which has chosen this moment to hide itself!! so I can't give you full details) We cannot divorce the history of Cape Town and the Eastern Cape between 1820 and -- when? -- I can't think of the date when the Cape moved from "responsible government" to "self-government". In fact, I'm sure this close relationship persisted up to the creation of Union in 1910. After the creation of the Cape Legislature, the Eastern Cape representatives had to spend considerable time in Cape Town whenever Parliament was sitting. Therefore, we should not seek to draw artificial boundaries between areas of our research. The Cape Town Archives are, after all, the repository for the entire province. Weird, I didn't get Heather's earlier message via the List at all, but that might have more to do with the teething problems I'm having with a new PC than the List. Thanks, Heather, I have the CRAAYENSTEIN info, didn't know about HERTZOG, though. I've checked the FARRELL pages in SAG, but can't see any of the people I'm looking for, despite having found several related DNs. I think the SAG pedigrees are all unrelated branches, but only time will tell whether any of them connect to mine. What I'd really like is some help in finding the historical location of Randalls Hotel in Rondebosch, also to resolve WHICH Clifton Street it might have been -- I don't have historical maps for that part of Cape Town. Info about liquour licences would also be great, but no pressure, anyone -- it IS the Easter long weekend, after all... Kind regards Maureen Brady Johannesburg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky Horne" <beckyjh@telkomsa.net> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > Hi Heather > > At UPE they have condensed Government Gazettes for 1846 pertaining to liquor > licences. > > I looked through this briefly on my last visit to the library, but didn't > make any notes. I'm not very sure about this, but I vaguely recall mention > of the Albany district, which of course, would not be applicable to your > mailing list as it only deals with Cape Town and the surrounds. However, I > can have a look at this again should there be any interest. > > I cannot promise when this look-up can be done as UPE is very far from home > and my visits are limited to twice a month. > > Best wishes > Becky > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@genealogy.co.za> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > > > > Hello Maureen > > > > What an interesting story - only last week I came across a list of persons > > being given "licences" to sell liquor at establishments in the Southern > > Suburbs - this appeared in the 1870 Government Gazette but I cannot > remember > > which week it was. > > > > There is a James Farrell who also appears in Family Register of the South > > African Nation who arrived in 1820 from Ireland and married on 28/1/1821 > to > > Sara Eilh. Craayenstein van die Kaap in Cape Town. She died on 26/12/1831 > > aged 52 years 7 months and 29 days. He then married Susanna Louisa > HERTZOG > > in Wynberg on 7/8/1837. > > then > > FARRELL, William Joseph Henry born 27/11/1873 in Simonstown son of J.W. > > Farrell of Kenilworth. He married in 1908 to Maggie daughter of P.T.R. > > SCHABORT from Pretoria. > > There are 8 pages of FARRELL in SA Genealogies. > > > > hope this helps > > Heather > > > > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za > > Scribes Ink. Publishing - Unlocking the Past with South African Genealog y > > Books on CD www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html > > Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Maureen Brady" <mbrady@telkomsa.net> > > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:15 PM > > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > > > > > > > Hi Listers > > > > > > I've recently uncovered a whole family of FARRELLs who almost all have > > > "Hotel Proprietor" on their Death Notices, on one of which is noted > > Randalls > > > Hotel, Rondebosch, so I presume this may have been the name of their > > family > > > hotel > > > (but not necessarily). Any further info would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > The parents were James FARRELL and Ann (born BRADY). This James seems to > > be > > > the same James F listed under the Children's Friend Society in Esme > Bull's > > > book as: > > > > > > Farrell, James: apprenticed to DJ van der Merwe, Wellington, absconded > > > ("Zuid-Afrikaan", 18.11.1842). > > > > > > His Death Notice (#873 filed 25 September 1874) doesn't give details > about > > > birthplace or parents but as he died age 45, this 'orphan' status plus > his > > > age are consistent, if he > > > was about 13 in 1842. He died at his residence in Papendorp (near the > > mouth > > > of the Olifants River a few hundred miles north up the West Coast) on 13 > > > August > > > 1868. His wife survived him by 29 years. She died in 1897 (DN 3185), > which > > > states she was born in Co Clare, Ireland, but no details of parents are > > > given. Although she was illiterate (signed James's DN with a cross) she > > > managed to leave "Landed property and furniture" when she died -- what's > > > more, the DN clearly states she held this property in her own name. I've > > > never seen this on a DN before, a note for the Executors of the > > pre-deceased > > > testator -- "No property or effects were accumulated in the lifetime of > > the > > > late James Farrell. All properties are registered in the name of the > > > deceased". Not bad for an illiterate Irish lass who probably started > from > > > the lowest of scratch, is it? > > > > > > Ann Farrell died at her own home at No 2 -- and this is where the first > > > problem sets in because the > > > handwriting on the DN is almost illegible -- Celeplon? Celepton? > Elepton? > > > Street [no suburb given], Cape Town. This name rings no bells in my old > CT > > > head, and the word itself makes no sense. > > > > > > ***LATER: got it! after analysing the handwriting against other > individual > > > letter formations on the DN ... > > > > > > CLIFTON Street -- but there are FIVE (Roads, not Streets) in CT: > > Claremont, > > > Clifton, Mowbray, Muizenberg, Wynberg > > > > > > On the father's DN, the children are listed as: > > > > > > Anne (must have predeceased her mother or died young) > > > Margaret > > > James > > > ?Mary > > > John > > > Ellen > > > Bridget (predeceased her mother in 1893) > > > Michael > > > > > > On the mother's DN, they are: > > > > > > Margarent MACON (later DOYLE) > > > James > > > Mary GREEN > > > John > > > Ellen VAS > > > Michael > > > > > > For the children, I have found the following three DNs: > > > > > > James (#3125) 1901, retired, unmarried, died at Randalls Hotel, > Rondebosch > > > Bridget (#694) 1893, hotel proprietor, unmarried, died at Muizenberg > > > Michael (#2799) 1912, hotel proprietor, married Henrietta CHRISTIANI > > (sounds > > > Italian), died > > > at 'Kelso', Kenilworth (another interesting clue) > > > four children, all minors: > > > Susan Doris > > > Hilda Ann > > > Michael Dudley > > > Horace Stephen > > > > > > Also one for Margaret DOYLE who signed her sister Bridget's DN. Margaret > > > died 1910, possibly abandoned by her still-living spouse, alone in the > Old > > > Somerset Hospital, because her DN seems to be signed by a surgeon. > > > > > > There's a coherent family story locked up in these bare facts. > References > > > from street directories, voters rolls, contemporary newspapers anyone > > might > > > have access to will be very welcome -- even more so would be discovering > > > someone with these people in their more immediate tree -- I think we > could > > > usefully trade branches and stories. The FARRELLs may have had close > links > > > with the Eastern Cape. in the 1850s. > > > > > > Regards > > > Maureen Brady > > > Johannesburg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > > Cape Town Family History Society > > > www.genealogy.co.za/society.html > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > > www.genealogy.co.za > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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    04/08/2004 04:21:44
    1. Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL
    2. Becky Horne

    3. Hi Heather At UPE they have condensed Government Gazettes for 1846 pertaining to liquor licences. I looked through this briefly on my last visit to the library, but didn't make any notes. I'm not very sure about this, but I vaguely recall mention of the Albany district, which of course, would not be applicable to your mailing list as it only deals with Cape Town and the surrounds. However, I can have a look at this again should there be any interest. I cannot promise when this look-up can be done as UPE is very far from home and my visits are limited to twice a month. Best wishes Becky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@genealogy.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > Hello Maureen > > What an interesting story - only last week I came across a list of persons > being given "licences" to sell liquor at establishments in the Southern > Suburbs - this appeared in the 1870 Government Gazette but I cannot remember > which week it was. > > There is a James Farrell who also appears in Family Register of the South > African Nation who arrived in 1820 from Ireland and married on 28/1/1821 to > Sara Eilh. Craayenstein van die Kaap in Cape Town. She died on 26/12/1831 > aged 52 years 7 months and 29 days. He then married Susanna Louisa HERTZOG > in Wynberg on 7/8/1837. > then > FARRELL, William Joseph Henry born 27/11/1873 in Simonstown son of J.W. > Farrell of Kenilworth. He married in 1908 to Maggie daughter of P.T.R. > SCHABORT from Pretoria. > There are 8 pages of FARRELL in SA Genealogies. > > hope this helps > Heather > > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za > Scribes Ink. Publishing - Unlocking the Past with South African Genealogy > Books on CD www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html > Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maureen Brady" <mbrady@telkomsa.net> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:15 PM > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch, FARRELL > > > > Hi Listers > > > > I've recently uncovered a whole family of FARRELLs who almost all have > > "Hotel Proprietor" on their Death Notices, on one of which is noted > Randalls > > Hotel, Rondebosch, so I presume this may have been the name of their > family > > hotel > > (but not necessarily). Any further info would be greatly appreciated. > > > > The parents were James FARRELL and Ann (born BRADY). This James seems to > be > > the same James F listed under the Children's Friend Society in Esme Bull's > > book as: > > > > Farrell, James: apprenticed to DJ van der Merwe, Wellington, absconded > > ("Zuid-Afrikaan", 18.11.1842). > > > > His Death Notice (#873 filed 25 September 1874) doesn't give details about > > birthplace or parents but as he died age 45, this 'orphan' status plus his > > age are consistent, if he > > was about 13 in 1842. He died at his residence in Papendorp (near the > mouth > > of the Olifants River a few hundred miles north up the West Coast) on 13 > > August > > 1868. His wife survived him by 29 years. She died in 1897 (DN 3185), which > > states she was born in Co Clare, Ireland, but no details of parents are > > given. Although she was illiterate (signed James's DN with a cross) she > > managed to leave "Landed property and furniture" when she died -- what's > > more, the DN clearly states she held this property in her own name. I've > > never seen this on a DN before, a note for the Executors of the > pre-deceased > > testator -- "No property or effects were accumulated in the lifetime of > the > > late James Farrell. All properties are registered in the name of the > > deceased". Not bad for an illiterate Irish lass who probably started from > > the lowest of scratch, is it? > > > > Ann Farrell died at her own home at No 2 -- and this is where the first > > problem sets in because the > > handwriting on the DN is almost illegible -- Celeplon? Celepton? Elepton? > > Street [no suburb given], Cape Town. This name rings no bells in my old CT > > head, and the word itself makes no sense. > > > > ***LATER: got it! after analysing the handwriting against other individual > > letter formations on the DN ... > > > > CLIFTON Street -- but there are FIVE (Roads, not Streets) in CT: > Claremont, > > Clifton, Mowbray, Muizenberg, Wynberg > > > > On the father's DN, the children are listed as: > > > > Anne (must have predeceased her mother or died young) > > Margaret > > James > > ?Mary > > John > > Ellen > > Bridget (predeceased her mother in 1893) > > Michael > > > > On the mother's DN, they are: > > > > Margarent MACON (later DOYLE) > > James > > Mary GREEN > > John > > Ellen VAS > > Michael > > > > For the children, I have found the following three DNs: > > > > James (#3125) 1901, retired, unmarried, died at Randalls Hotel, Rondebosch > > Bridget (#694) 1893, hotel proprietor, unmarried, died at Muizenberg > > Michael (#2799) 1912, hotel proprietor, married Henrietta CHRISTIANI > (sounds > > Italian), died > > at 'Kelso', Kenilworth (another interesting clue) > > four children, all minors: > > Susan Doris > > Hilda Ann > > Michael Dudley > > Horace Stephen > > > > Also one for Margaret DOYLE who signed her sister Bridget's DN. Margaret > > died 1910, possibly abandoned by her still-living spouse, alone in the Old > > Somerset Hospital, because her DN seems to be signed by a surgeon. > > > > There's a coherent family story locked up in these bare facts. References > > from street directories, voters rolls, contemporary newspapers anyone > might > > have access to will be very welcome -- even more so would be discovering > > someone with these people in their more immediate tree -- I think we could > > usefully trade branches and stories. The FARRELLs may have had close links > > with the Eastern Cape. in the 1850s. > > > > Regards > > Maureen Brady > > Johannesburg > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > Cape Town Family History Society > > www.genealogy.co.za/society.html > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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    04/08/2004 12:11:25
    1. Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] WERNER, MINNEMA
    2. Becky Horne

    3. Hi Heather Has the address for Bruce changed? This is what I have. brucew@yebo.co.za Best wishes Becky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@genealogy.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:17 AM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] WERNER, MINNEMA > > > > Hello Erica > > > > I found in the book Family Register of the South African Nation by > Malherbe > > the following entry: > > Werner: Johann Jacob (1837) arrived 1878 van Caneau, Rusland married Cath. > > Dor. (25) had 6 children as well as Johs (7) and Jacob (5) Bernard born > > 17/8/1894 in Vryheid married 31/1/1933 to Zelda BARNETT, Johan Freidr. > > > > I suggest you search the National Archives website at > > www.national.archives.gov.za and see if you can find a death notice for > > Johann or his wife. > > Below I found two references for a Jacob Werner - remember that you might > > find that Johann might not have used his first name but rather his second > > name which was quite common practice. Also the date on the naturalization > > papers does not mean that was the year in which he entered the country. > > Sometimes they were here for many years for they applied. > > You can also contact Bruce Werner at Werner, Bruce > > E-mail Address(es): > > w@yebo.co.za he might just be a relative > > > > also found this in the NAAIRS database > > > > DEPOT SAB > > SOURCE GG > > TYPE LEER > > VOLUME_NO 2217 > > SYSTEM 01 > > REFERENCE 78/244(18) > > PART 1 > > DESCRIPTION CELEBRATION OF GOLDEN WEDDING. MR. AND MRS. MINNEMA > 1ST > > MAY, 1954. > > STARTING 19540000 > > ENDING 19540000 (this looks like your family as the daughter was > > baptised 50 years ago ??) > > > > DEPOT KAB > > SOURCE CO > > TYPE LEER > > VOLUME_NO 8668 > > SYSTEM 01 > > REFERENCE 22 > > PART 1 > > DESCRIPTION APPLICATION FOR LETTERS OF NATURALIZATION. JACOB > > WERNER. > > STARTING 1904 > > ENDING 1904 > > > > > > > > DEPOT TAB > > SOURCE MHG > > TYPE LEER > > VOLUME_NO 0 > > SYSTEM 01 > > REFERENCE 3428/39 > > PART 1 > > DESCRIPTION WERNER, JACOB. > > STARTING 19390000 > > ENDING 19390000 > > REMARKS PREDECEASED SPOUSE REBECCA WERNER. (BORN ABRAHAMS). > > > > kind regards > > Heather > > > > > > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za > > Scribes Ink. Publishing - Unlocking the Past with South African Genealogy > > Books on CD www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html > > Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Erica Hills" <erica@hillsperth.com> > > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:06 AM > > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] WERNER, MINNEMA > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > You have encouraged me out of lurkdom Heather. > > > > > > My grandmother, Rosalia WERNER arrived in Cape Town on the Godeffroy in > > > 1877 aged 2 and I would very much like to find the marriages etc. of her > > > siblings and possibly trace relatives. The ship entry I have is : > > > > > > "WERNER, Johann Jacob, farmer (36 years old) from Caneau in Russia, > > > with this wife > > > Catherina Dorothea (35), and Marie Catherina (15), Amelie (10), Johannes > > > (7), Jacob (5) > > > Rosalie (2), Johann Friedrich (younger than 1) on the Godeffroy in 1877. > > > > > > Another son, Christian, was born in South Africa. He is the only one > of > > > the siblings that I knew. > > > > > > Rosalie married Jan Geerts MINNEMA around 1894 probably in the German > > > Evangelical Lutheran Church where their first child was baptised (is St > > > Martin's ? in Long St ? if memories of 50 years ago serve me). > > > > > > Anna Katharina Caroline Minnema > > > Born 23. Februar 1895 > > > Bapt 7 April 1895 St Martini Kirche > > > Pastor GW Wagener > > > > > > Johann Minnema und Rosalie geb. Werner > > > Sponsors : Konrad Binedell, Karoline Werner, Catharina Schwerdt and > > > Christian Werner. > > > (Record details from the certificate in her late daughter's possession.) > > > > > > I used to grill my much older cousin, Anna's daughter, and amongst the > > > family lore I gleaned was that they had come out to the Cape on some > sort > > > of farm settlement scheme and that Rosalie's sisters married brothers > > named > > > LANGE. I remember visiting some cousins in Rhodesia and Johannesburg > as > > a > > > child but don't remember names. > > > > > > I would greatly appreciate any help and learning how I can find further > > > information; also what methods of payment are accepted. > > > > > > Best regards........ Erica Hills, Perth, Western Australia > > > > > > mailto:erica@hillsperth.com > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > > SCRIBES Ink. 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    04/08/2004 11:59:46
    1. Childrens Friends Society Part 5
    2. Heather MacAlister

    3. BlankPlease find below the last lot of names of the people sent to South Africa by the Children's Friends Society St. PIERRE, Richard 13 VICKERS, Benjamin * b 1826 STRANGE, Thomas + VINE, Henry * b 1823 STREET, William 21 VINE, John 25 STUBBS, Edward 29* b 1823 WADDILOVE, George 20* STUBBS, Michael 04 WAITES, George * SULLIVAN, James 20 WAKE, Wm 27 SULLIVAN, T. 06 WALKER, J. 06 SULLIVAN, William 03* b 1819 WALKER, William * b 1826 SUPPLE, Patrick WALLACE, Charles 21 SURGENT, John Joseph * b 1825 WALLIS, Elizabeth 30 TANNER, James 03+ b 1820 WARD, Isaac 09* b 1820 T T, Margaret WARD, James 20* b 1821 TAPNER, Thomas 27* b 1826 WATSON, Frederick 13 TARRANT, John Thos. 09 WATSON, G. 06 TATE, Henry 03 WATTS, Margaret * b 1826 TAYLOR, John 24* WEBB, John 18* b 1826 TAYLOR, Joseph 04 WEBB, John 01 TAYLOR, Thomas 04 WEEKLY, Caroline 19 TEBBETT, Margaret 22 WELLINGS, Benjamin 04 (probably Margaret WELLS, George 03 T T above) WEST, Sarah 09 TERRY, William John WHEALIN, William 02 THOMAS, C. (male) 06 WHITE, Andrew 09 THOMAS, Catherine 09 WHITE, Hannah 30 THOMAS, J.W. 07 WHITEHEAD, Robert 29* b 1821 THOMAS, Louisa 09 WHITING, Henry + THOMAS, Samuel 25* b 1825 WICKS, Mary 09 THORPE, James 10 WILDE, George 13 THRUNKLE, Fred 27 WILES, William 02 (may be the same as WILKIE, J. 06 Frederick TRUMBLE) WILKS, J. 06 TICKETT, Edward WILLET, Thomas 02 TIDENCE, Dennis WILLIAMS, Edward 02 TILLEY, Henry 25 WILLIAMS, John David 24 TILLEY, Mary 30 WILLIAMS, Mary 09 TIPPING, Thomas * WILLIAMS, W.H. 06 TOBIN, William 04* b 1820 WILLMOT, John 29 TODD,?? WILSON, F. 07 TONKS, Joseph 21 WILSON, Frederick * b 1819 TOZER, William + WILSON, G. see TRADER, James 24 SCHNEBELIE, Issac TREVILLIAN, Ann 19 WILSON, Robert 06 TREW, Henry 07 WILSON, William 20* TREW, W. 06 WOODING, Fred TROUNCELL, William 10*+ b 1821 WOODINGTON, F. 06 TROWNSELL - see TROUNCELL WOODHOUSE, Henry 25 TRUBSHAW, Edward 18 b 1827 WOOLWARD, John 13 TRUE, Edgar * b 1823 WRIGHT, Sarah 19 TRUMBLE, Frederick * b 1824 WROOTS, R. 06 (see Thrunkle) YOUNG, W. 06 kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Scribes Ink. Publishing - Unlocking the Past with South African Genealogy Books on CD www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html

    04/08/2004 09:29:34
    1. Childrens Friends Society part 4
    2. Heather MacAlister

    3. BlankPlease find attached the next lot of Childrens names PEARCE, William * PEARKS, C. 06 PEARL, Charles 07 PEARSON, George 02 PELTERET, George 01 PERRY, Thomas * PHELPS, Charles 04+ PHILLIPS, Mary Ann 30* PINNER, Mary Ann 17 PINNER, Thomas 18* PIPER, Sarah 3 born 1824 PITCHER, Henry James * PITCHER, William Charles * PLATT, George 27* born 1823 PLAYSTED, John H. 29 POLACK, Morris 29 POLLACK, Harriet + POLLARD, Caroline 09 POOLE, Charles * POOLE, William Everett * POPE, Thomas 10 PORTER, John 01 POWELL, Henry, brother of Martha 12 POWELL, John 24 POWELL, Martha 12 + PRATCHETT, Robert 20 PRIDDLE, Edward 10 PRIESTLY, W.H. 07+ PUGH, Helen 30 PUGH, T 06 PUNT, James 25 RAFFERTY, Michael 03 RAHTERT, Charles F. 01 RANGER, Richard John RAPKINS, Maria 30 RAPKINS, Susan 30 READ, Arthur J. 29 REDDING, James 25* b 1824 RIGG, Caroline 09 RIGGS Family (4f, lm) 12 + RIGGS, Grace Jane 12 RIGGS, Harriet 12 RIGGS, John George 12 RIGGS, Mary Anne 12 RIGGS, Sarah + (members of the above Riggs family) RILEY, Mary * b 1826 ROBERTS, Joseph Hezekiah * ROBERTS, William 01 ROBINSON, George 27* b 1824 ROGERS, G.W. ROGERS, J. H. 27 ROGERS, William 10 ROLFE, Mary Ann 30 ROLSTON, James 10 ROWAN, W.H. RUSSELL, George 25 RUTTER, Charles 03 RUTTER, James 04 RYAN, Michael 10 SANDERSON, John * SERGEANT, John J. 29 (see John Joseph SURGENT) SAUNDERS, Jasper 25 (possibly the same as Joseph SAUNDERS below) SAUNDERS, Joseph * SAVAGE, Henry 04+ SAVEALL, George SAVILLE, William 25 SAWYER, James 09* SAYER, James 10 SCHNEBELIE, Issac alias WILSON G. 01 SCHRODER, Elizabeth 30 + SEARLE, George 09 SEAWARD, Peter 13 + SEMON, Ado 25 SHARPE, John 10 SHEEN, Morris 21 SHEPHERD, Henry 04 SHEPPARD, Thomas 27* SHORT, John 20 SIMPSON, Thomas 18 SIMS, William 10 SKELLERN, Issac 25 (possibly the same as Isaac SKILLERN below) SKILLERN, Isaac * SMITH, E + SMITH, Edward 20 SMITH, John 27 SMITH, John Alfred 20* SMITH, Mary * SMITH, Wm 27 SOUTH, William * STAGHALL, J. 06 STAPLES, George 18 STARKEY, D. 07 STARKEY, John 07 STARKEY, Margaret 30+ STARKIE, Walter * STEPHENS, Hy. Gm. STEPHENSON, George STEVENS, Henry STEVENS, James STEVENS, Robert STEWARD, William STEWART, Mary STEWART, Mary Ann (same as Mary Stewart ?) STOCKBRIDGE, Joseph STOCKMAN, Anna STOCKMAN, Ellen STONE, G. aged 6 STONE, William aged 6 STOUT, James aged 29 born 1826 kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Scribes Ink. Publishing - Unlocking the Past with South African Genealogy Books on CD www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html

    04/08/2004 09:27:47
    1. Childrens Friends Society Part 3
    2. Heather MacAlister

    3. BlankLEAR, Susannah C. 17 MILES, Joseph 07+ LEARY, Dennis 06 MILLARD, J. 06+ LEE, Catherine 17 MILLER, George 02 LEE, William 04 MILLER, Henry 02 LEES, Thomas * MIMMS, William 24 LELAND(T), Alfred 24* MITCHELL, James 21 LEONARD, Hugh 25 MITCHINSON, John 09 LEWIS, D. 06 MITCHINSON, Mary 09 LILLEY, John 18 MO, Charles 24 LING, John 09 MOORE, died August 1837 LINSTRUM, William 10 MOORE, James 09 LISTER, John 18 MOORE, Richard 24 LITCHFIELD, Mary 09 MORRIS, Caroline 17* b 1823 LITTLE, Samuel * MORRIS, Charlotte 22 LLOYD, Frederick 03 MORRIS, Edward 01 + LOFINCH, E. 06 MORRIS, James 02 LOGIN (Logan?) MORRIS, Samuel 20* LOGAN, Joseph 24 MORRISON, Herschel 24 LOGAN, Robert 24 1 twins MORRITT, William 13 LONG, Charles 09 MOSS, J. 06 LONG, Emma 17 MOWBRAY, Ellen + LONG, Henry Warren 17 MUIR, James 18 (brother to Emma 7) MULLIGAN, William 27* b 1824 LUCAS, Joseph MULLINGS, Hy. 29 LUCAS, W. 06 MUNN, Mary Jane 30 T.UCY, Thomas 13+ MUNN, Susan M. 30 LYONS, G. 06 MURRAY, George 01 McCARTHY, Edward03 MURTS, John 04 McCLOUD, James 20 N Mary + MacCORMACK, Mary12 NAYLER, Jnhn 03 McCOY, Michael 29 NAYLOR, William 13 McCOY, Peter 29 NEWBURY, Ellen 12 McDONALD, Henry NEWBURY, Mary 19 McDONALD, J 06 (possibly the same as Mary N. above) McDONALD, Thomas 24 NEWMAN, William 20* b 1824 McGRATH, Paul 01 NEWSON, Edward 24 McHENLEY, Fred. 25 NEWSON, John 27 McHENLEY, James 25 NICHOLLS, William 29* McMANUS, William + b 1823 NICHOLSON, James 21 McMASTER, James 18 NICHOLSON, Thomas 21 McNAULTY, William 20 NICKSON, Caroline 30 MACK, Henry 29* b 1825 NOBLE, Israel 07 MAHONEY, John NORJON, Mary 09 (alias MARNEY) 03 NORMAN, James 27 MAHONEY, Mary 19 NUTTI, James * b 1823 MAJOR, Mary Ann 30 ORMANDY family? 19 MAPHAM, William * b 1824 PALMER, James 03* b 1820 MAPHAM, William 25* PALMER, John 20 MARONEY, J. 06 PALMER, Joseph 10 b 1817 MARNEY - see Mahoney PALMER, Samuel 07+ MASON, John * b 1823 PALMER, Thomas 10+ MASON, Joseph 25* b 1826 PALMER, Walter 20 MASON, William 02 PANTHER, John + b 1817 MASSEY, Samuel 07 (see note under Swan MATFIELD, George * River Colony above) MATTHEWS, G. 06 PARKER, John see JONES, Wm. MAYNARD, C. 06 PARROT, J. 06 MAYO, James (MAYS?) 10+ PAYNE, Emma * b 1824 MEES, 3. 06 PAYNE, C.G. 06 Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Scribes Ink. Publishing - Unlocking the Past with South African Genealogy Books on CD www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html

    04/07/2004 08:34:54
    1. Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] List of Apothacaries, chemists and druggists in the Cape Colony
    2. Heather MacAlister

    3. Hello Faye There was a Julius Wocke who arrived before 1886 as a chemist from Germany listed in The Family Register of the South African Nation but nothing else said. I then did a quick look on NAAIRS (192 documents) and was amazed how many of this family there were around including a Clara Wocke who married into the well known JANISCH family. Good luck and let me know the first names that you are researching kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Scribes Ink. Publishing - Unlocking the Past with South African Genealogy Books on CD www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/socweb.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fay Lea" <cancun@icon.co.za> To: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@genealogy.co.za> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 5:40 PM Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] List of Apothacaries, chemists and druggists in the Cape Colony > Thank you Heather for the list of Apothacaries, chemists and druggists. > > Georg Julius Wocke is my husband's maternal ggrandfather. He remembers he > and his brothers, as children, playing with the bag of instruments and > apparatus. Sadly it did not survive. We did not know about the other Wocke's > and now have more to research. > > Kind regards Fay > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Heather MacAlister [mailto:heather@genealogy.co.za] > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 10:31 AM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] List of Apothacaries, chemists and > druggists in the Cape Colony > > From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@genealogy.co.za> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:26 AM > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] List of Apothacaries, chemists and > druggists in the Cape Colony > > > > BlankMorning all > > Found this great list inthe Government Gazette of June 1870 > > > > > > LIST OF THE APOTHECARIES, CHEMISTS, AND DRUGGISTS, > > > > LICENSED IN THE CAPE COLONY UP TO THE 31st MARCH, 1870 > > > > > > > > When Licenced Name > > > > > > > > Jan 1836 Anderhold, Adolph > > > > Oct 1845 Armstrong, R.M. > > > > Sept 1855 Barber, Frederick > > > > Nov 1867 Arthur, Austen > > > > May 1852 Battison, John > > > > Jan 1859 Barry, David > > > > Feb 1856 Bell, Herman C > > > > Feb 1863 Bell, Staniforth Crichton > > > > Feb 1837 Bosenberg, Christian Hendrik > > > > Sept 1866 Bosenberg, Johan Sebastiaan Liebbrandt > > > > Dec 1869 Bosenberg, Christian Hendrik Engels > > > > Aug 1853 Bozon, Frederick > > > > Dec 1847 Baur, Richard > > > > Nov 1867 Brady, Henry Joseph > > > > Sept 1854 Brehm, George Bernard Anton > > > > Mar 1861 Brauns, George > > > > June 1860 Brauns, Friederich George > > > > Dec 1864 Brittain, John > > > > May 1825 Burchell, John > > > > April 1867 Burness, Alexander George > > > > Sept 1865 Barry, Gerard > > > > Jan 1870 Butler, Thomas Edward > > > > Dec 1853 Carstens, Adolph Ludwig > > > > Dec 1849 Chapman, James Edward > > > > May 1857 Chapman, William Henry > > > > Dec 1859 Cooper, John > > > > July 1862 Christie, John > > > > Aug 1854 Church, John Charles > > > > Dec 1847 Clemens, Ludwig > > > > May 1868 Cotman, John Sell Edmund > > > > Aug 1854 Cottingham, Wolfran > > > > Oct 1860 Davies, Thomas T > > > > Dec 1867 Des Vages, J.A.D. > > > > Aug 1868 Dieperink, Hendrik Willem > > > > Sept 1847 Dogherty, James Robert > > > > Aug 1855 Dolderen, Jasper van > > > > Dec 1861 Duffy, Francis > > > > Nov 1834 Earle, William John > > > > Sept 1866 Eckerley, Alfred Lloyd > > > > April 1858 Eggers,Heinrich Adolph > > > > Mar 1824 Engels, Fredrik Lodewyk Christian > > > > May 1869 Fairclough, Anthony Revell > > > > Nov 1847 Farrall, Mathew Bosworth Gilbert > > > > May 1857 Fisher, Henry Christopher > > > > Aug 1858 Fockens, Hendrikus > > > > Nov 1858 Forcke, Adolph Wilhelm Bernard > > > > Oct 1856 Forster, Frederick > > > > July 1862 Faustaedter, Adolph > > > > Feb 1837 Gericke, Carl Martin Ludwig > > > > Jan 1844 Gibb, John > > > > Jan 1849 Gilstain, Edmund William > > > > Sept 1838 Gird, Septimus John Chamberlain > > > > Jan 1855 Graaff, Antoine Guillaume de > > > > Dec 1859 Grim, Wilhelm Andreas > > > > Nov 1832 Gisbrooke, Charles > > > > Aug 1863 Groom, William > > > > Dec 1838 Gueinzius, Wilhelm > > > > Oct 1853 Hartman, Heinrich > > > > Aug 1862 Hazell, Robert William > > > > Dec 1862 Heynes, John > > > > Oct 1855 Holl, Edward > > > > Oct 1860 Hutchinson, Frederick Paschoud > > > > Nov 1855 Hutchinson, Henry > > > > Aug 1852 Husband, Joseph Richardson > > > > Feb 1848 Jeppe, Hermann Otto Carl Friederich > > > > Feb 1858 Johnson, William > > > > Sept 1851 Joerning, Louis > > > > Aug 1853 Juritz, Carl Friederich Baerwald > > > > July 1862 Juritz, Jan Pieter Faure > > > > June 1840 Kemper, Carl Julius > > > > Mar 1856 Kleuver, Hermanus > > > > May 1832 King, Thomas Henzell > > > > Aug 1837 Kisch, Braham > > > > Jan 1832 Kohl, Adolph > > > > May 1861 Koller, John Thurstan > > > > April 1850 Knowles, Henry > > > > Dec 1853 Labron, Charles > > > > May 1866 Lacey, John Thomas > > > > May 1857 Laing, Richard William > > > > June 1869 Langeveld, Henry Daniel Peter > > > > Sept 1855 Lawrence, George > > > > Mar 1848 Lawrie, Robert > > > > Feb 1864 Lawrie, Petrus > > > > Jan 1855 Lennon, Berry Gray > > > > Feb 1846 Leslie, John > > > > Dec 1860 Levey, George James > > > > Mar 1845 Lindenberg, John > > > > June 1851 Lloyd, Wm. Thompson > > > > Oct 1850 Lowrie, John C > > > > Dec 1847 Lucas, Lawrence John > > > > Mar 1867 Mally, Ludwig > > > > Sept 1858 Mathew, John Alfred > > > > Oct 1858 McGibbon, John > > > > July 1868 Melass, Andrew > > > > Mar 1843 Melle, George Alexander > > > > Sept 1855 Mieze, Ernst > > > > Dec 1861 Miller, Thomas Lanfear > > > > Aug 1856 Mosel, Julius Carl Georg > > > > Oct 1860 Muller, Alexander > > > > Jan 1861 Muskett, Edwin Burrell > > > > May 1866 Parisius, Hermann > > > > Feb 1848 Parkinson, Edwin > > > > April 1860 Parrot, John Smyth > > > > Nov 1846 Petersen, Peter Jebsen > > > > Jan 1837 Pocock, John Thomas > > > > July 1847 Pocock, Lewis Greville > > > > May 1857 Powrie, Ebenezer > > > > July 1859 Philps, Frederick Stephen > > > > Sept 1864 Peacock, John > > > > Dec 1846 Read, Robert > > > > May 1868 Read, Richard William > > > > Oct 1842 Reeler, John Henry > > > > Sept 1869 Reeler, John William > > > > May 1863 Richardson, James > > > > July 1845 Robinson, Henry Chetham > > > > Aug 1845 Rutherfoord, Richard > > > > June 1839 Schmieterloew, Carl August Wilhelm > > > > Feb 1861 Schneider, Carl Albert > > > > Aug 1841 Schroder, Hans Christian > > > > Oct 1867 Schleswig, Emil > > > > July 1843 Schlicht, H.W.A. von > > > > Dec 1856 Schumann, John Hendrik Lodewyk > > > > Aug 1853 Searby, Wright > > > > Aug 1851 Smith, Henry Robert > > > > Sept 1851 Smith, Jan Albertus > > > > Mar 1847 Stapleton, William Carey > > > > June 1865 Scott, Walter > > > > April 1855 Townsend, Frederick > > > > Oct 1867 Teitge, Charles > > > > Dec 1865 Templeton, John > > > > July 1825 Ubsdell, George > > > > Feb 1858 Vogelgezang, Martinus Lambertus > > > > Aug 1861 Wannenburg, Pieter Johannes > > > > Sept 1862 Watson, Thomas John > > > > Jan 1862 Wege, Hermanus Petrus > > > > Feb 1867 Wehlburg, Johannes > > > > Jan 1862 Wilkinson, Keith > > > > Aug 1847 Williams, John Evans > > > > Nov 1860 Wocke, Georg Julius > > > > Nov 1860 Wocke, Albert Theodor Carl > > > > Mar 1865 Wocke, Richard > > > > Sept 1866 Wocke, Eugen > > > > June 1853 Wright, James Steile > > > > Oct 1837 Wiid, Abraham Jacobus > > > > Oct 1865 Wilhelm, Maximilian Heinrich > > > > May 1868 Wilkinson, James > > > > > > > > JOHN PHILIP LANDSBERG, M.D., Secretary Colonial Medical Committee > > > > > > > > kind regards > > Heather > > > > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za > > Scribes Ink. 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    04/07/2004 07:53:27