Envelopes have the advantage of having more words on them, and a stamp and often a legible date. Of course you have to put in a caption to say who wrote them...... An album of these would be nice for children to look through on a rainy afternoon. Add a photograph of sender and receiver... Mind you, I've only just thought of this, I haven't done it! But several of the old letters I have from about WW1 time onwards do have envelopes. The advantage is that it is an on-going thing, for even with our computers we still have to send some things by post. Go well! Ivy Trott.

Hello Everyone A friend of mine recently showed me a fascinating and different way of depicting the similarities of your family instead of using photographs. Find signatures of all your ancestors from old death notices, wills, estates, cheques, inside of old books, autograph books, marriage certificates, baptisms, anything . Scan in each one individually and paste them into MS Word. Then type in the name of the person and the year in which the signature came from. Putting them in order of age or generation. I did mine and it was amazing. First of all I realized that some of my family could actually write in the 1700's. The I started to notice the similarity in some of the handwritings for example my great great grandfather and then his great great grandson - it was frightening !!! The next time you go and visit some relatives take along a book with blank pages (or better invest in an autograph book - they still do sell them) and ask everyone to sign the book. Perhaps we could renew the old phase of autograph books - they are still great sources of information for families. Kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

Hi to Heather and Listers, I've come a long way in the last year with Death Notices, which are an excellent source of information, but have hit that proverbial brick wall. It appears some of my ancestors did not have a death notice, probably due to not having a will or estate perhaps. Can't find these people in SA Genealogies. I haven't had much success in obtaining church records of baptism, marriage or burials (even for those who were very religious), nor have I had much luck with gravestone inscriptions. With the deceased who did not have a gravestone, perhaps due to the family not being able to afford one or perhaps they had good intentions and never really got around to having a gravestone erected, would the record of burial or cremation be held at the various offices of Cemeteries or held at some central archives? Would these cemeteries allow lookups from the public or professional family history researchers? If yes, then what sort of information would these records hold, besides the name of deceased and plot number? Would they charge a fee? Would there be a limit on the number of lookups etc? I look forward to some enlightenment. Thanking you, Elva

Hello Elva Yes their certainly are ways and means of finding who was buried where depending on the cemetery and what records they have. For instance the Cape Metropolitan council has records for the following cemeteries: Name Address date opened size in hectares telephone Atlantis Old Darling Road, Atlantis.1980 021-5721518 Bellville Strand Road, Bellville 1947 021-9484541 Constantia Parish Road, Constantia 1886 021-7031796 Hout Bay Hout Bay Main Road, Hout Bay 1945 021-7901510 Plumstead Ext Klip Road, Grassy Park 1938 021-7051928 Maitland - Gate 1-4 Voortrekker Road, Maitland 1886 021-5939592 Maitland - Gate 5-10 Voortrekker Road, Maitland 1886 021-5931350 Modderdam Modderdam Raod, Belhar 1975 021-9346458 Muizenberg Prince George Drive, Muizenberg 1913 021-7884758 Ocean View Jupiter Road, Ocean View 19752 021-7831358 Ottery Ottery Road, Ottery1929 021-7035827 Pinelands No1 Forest Drive. Pinelands 1941 021-5315062 Pinelands No2 Forest Drive. Pinelands 1974 021-5315062 Plumstead Victoria Road, Plumstead 1915 021-7621081 Maitland Crematorium off Voortrekker Road, Maitland 1934 021-5938316 They have plot cards for each and every grave - although there might be no headstone there might be 10 people in one grave or there might be a headstone for one person and you could find two relatives and a stranger. Sometimes they had friends perhaps who had a child that died and they could not afford a plot so the maybe the neigbour offered space in the family grave - this is what happened in my family. The Cape Metropolitan Council welcomes genealogists to come and research in their Library but do not undertake research on anyone's behalf. They hold burial records for the larger cemeteries such as Maitland, Plumstead, Pinelands, Ottery, Hout Bay, Constantia, Bellville and Muizenberg. Street Ad dress: 44 Wale Street, Cape Town. Tel: 021-4872041/2 Fax: 021-4872037. Hours of business: 8.30 - 4.00. http://www.cmc.gov.za/pht/cemeteries.htm Resources for Genealogists The obtaining of information regarding burials in cemeteries and cremations undertaken at Maitland Crematorium is controlled by the CMC. Council's burial records date back to 1886. All records are geared to the date of death and the applicable cemetery. This information is not stored on computer. Should Council receive a request for information and the above details are not included it means that a staff member has to page through the records kept over the past 113 years in respect of the various cemeteries. As the staff do not have the time to conduct research such as this members of the public are welcome to visit Council's Head Office in Cape Town to peruse the records. Should you know the date of death and the cemetery wherein the human remains were buried (only those controlled by the CMC) it is a simple matter to obtain the burial record card or obtain further details from the Burial Register, and can be done telephonically. It is also a simple matter to locate further details in respect of human remains cremated at Maitland Crematorium if you are sure of the date of death. Alternatly if a cemetery is in an outlying district you would need to contact that local municipality with regards to where the records are. hope this helps kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elva Hanly" <theaviary@bigpond.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 4:48 AM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Cemetery Registers > Hi to Heather and Listers, > > I've come a long way in the last year with Death Notices, which are an > excellent source of information, but have hit that proverbial brick > wall. It appears some of my ancestors did not have a death notice, > probably due to not having a will or estate perhaps. > > Can't find these people in SA Genealogies. I haven't had much success > in obtaining church records of baptism, marriage or burials (even for > those who were very religious), nor have I had much luck with gravestone > inscriptions. > > With the deceased who did not have a gravestone, perhaps due to the > family not being able to afford one or perhaps they had good intentions > and never really got around to having a gravestone erected, would the > record of burial or cremation be held at the various offices of > Cemeteries or held at some central archives? > > Would these cemeteries allow lookups from the public or professional > family history researchers? If yes, then what sort of information would > these records hold, besides the name of deceased and plot number? Would > they charge a fee? Would there be a limit on the number of lookups etc? > > I look forward to some enlightenment. > Thanking you, > > Elva > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > www.genealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Hello Anne When searching NAAIRS for an estate paper for someone that died in 1920 remember that the estate or death notice might not have been lodged in that year. Sometimes it can take up to twenty years or longer to appear. Also not every person has an estate or death notice, maybe this is why you have not found it. Another reason could be that NAAIRS is not 100% accurate - there is always a degree or error and a manual search in the Pretoria archives might be necessary. Have you ordered his actual death certificate to see if you date is correct ? kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne wellman" <wellman@shoal.net.au> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Re: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-D Digest V04 #56 > I am still looking for my G.grandfather William Henry FIELD born 1867 Died > 12.9.1920 in Germiston. He married Wilhelmina Antionette Septima FROST in > 5.12.1888.at St Johns P.E. > A cousin says she always thought he came from Ireland but I can find no > record, I thought I'd found him son of a Edward Field born in Kent but he > was born in another year. > If antbody could help I'd appreciate it . > Thanks, > Anne Wellman > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > www.genealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >

I am still looking for my G.grandfather William Henry FIELD born 1867 Died 12.9.1920 in Germiston. He married Wilhelmina Antionette Septima FROST in 5.12.1888.at St Johns P.E. A cousin says she always thought he came from Ireland but I can find no record, I thought I'd found him son of a Edward Field born in Kent but he was born in another year. If antbody could help I'd appreciate it . Thanks, Anne Wellman

Did you know that any person who died in Cape Town after 1957 have their estate papers housed in the Master's Office in Parade Street, Cape Town. Opposite Wooltru House. This repository holds the Estate Papers of deceased persons from 1958 until present as well as Trusts and Insolvencies from 1986 onwards. You can search the indexes in the reading room, then make sure you have brought pen and paper with, and then you can proceed to the vault underneath the building where you will be handed the papers for your perusal. Be very wary as under normal circumstances will only let you have three estate papers per day. This office is open from 7.45 am until 1.o'clock on Mondays to Fridays. Tel 021-4108300 If you take the gentleman a bar of chocolate (three men) you might get to have a look at more depending on their moods. kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

Did you know..... that Park Sir Maitland Hall (1862-1921).a South African newspaper editor. Born in Dunbartonshire and educated at Glasgow University, he started writing for the Glasgow Herald in 1885. In 1886 he went to India as assistant editor, and later editor, of the Alla­habad Pioneer, in which were printed many of Rudyard Kipling's early writ­ings. In 1902 he carne to South Africa as editor of the Cape Times, and in 1909 joined the South African delega­tion to the Imperial Press Conference in London, where he exercised great political influence. He died in Cape Town. kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

Did you know..................... Durban - The Johannesburg Metro will soon launch an internet service where people can determine within an hour after a funeral where exactly someone had been buried. This service will be up and running within the next three weeks, Luther Williamson, chief manager of the Johannesburg parks division, said at the first national conference on cemeteries and crematoriums in Durban on Thursday. "It is important to be able to analyse the number of deaths and burials," Williamson added. Contrary to what was expected regarding the HIV/Aids pandemic, the number of burials in the Johannesburg metropolitan area has dropped, he said. Williamson said this might be because people who die in Johannesburg are rather buried in their place of birth. Speakers from various local authorities all over the country said they were still trying to address the inequalities caused by apartheid in, for example, planning of cemeteries and record keeping. Obed Mlaba, mayor of Durban, said it was still impossible to get statistics of black people's graves. Williamson and John Pitout, head of parks in the Nelson Mandela metropolitan council in the Eastern Cape, pleaded for a national online database of graves. kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

Evening All Just a quick reminder about the Cape Town Family History Society Meeting this Saturday and to give you a sneak preview on Augusts meeting when we will be having Graham Dickason talking on "Irish Settlers to the Cape" on 21st August. Please book your seats now. This Saturday the 17th July The Cape Town Family History Society welcomes Dr. Dan Sleigh as its guest speaker. Dr. Sleigh is renowned for his History of VOC and Dutch History of South Africa as well as an accomplished author - his latest publication which is now available called "Islands" (see info below) (bring your books along to be signed or buy your copy at the meeting) As well as the Annual AGM of the Society, Dr Sleigh will be talking on "Old Cape Families" Saturday 17th July Place: Wynberg Boys High School, Lover's Walk, Wynberg Time: 2:30 R5.00 non members R3.00 tea for everyone Tel: 021-7888188 or email society@genealogy.co.za Islands covers the first half-century or so of Dutch settlement at the Cape, opening with a view from the inside of a Khoi nation, the Goringhaicona, under the leadership of Autshumao, dubbed "chief Harry" by early English visitors. For the indigenous peoples it is the beginning of the end of a way of life in close interaction with the subcontinent, its seasons and rhythms, its harshness and abundance. It was during Autshumao's time that the first key woman of South Africa's post-colonisation story makes her appearance: she is Autshumao's niece, Krotoa, brought into Commander Van Riebeeck's household as Eva, go-between and interpreter between the Europeans and the Khoi. When she is drawn into the first 'mixed' marriage of the new colony, one of her children is Pieternella, who becomes the pivot of all the action in this unforgettable epic. Each of the sections of the novel is focused on a man involved in one way or another with Pieternella. Through the life stories of these key figures - all of them men, but all defined in one way or another by the central female character - the reader is offered an understanding of the vast historical forces at work in the shaping of the world in the late 17th and early 18th centuries. Each of these brings a whole new geography, a new dimension of experience, into the novel. Behind these 'little men', who are not allowed any choice by history, loom the ones who apparently take the decisions, the commanders and governors and captains and the still greater, more shadowy, potentates, the Lords Seventeen who are in charge of the Dutch East India Company. For it is the Company that ultimately decides the fate of all the millions ruled by it; it is as inexorable, and as mindlessly cruel, as Nature itself. Islands is too crammed with characters and events, too gripping in its unpredictable turns and contortions, too rich with lived experience, too staggering in the scale of its adventures - from the unimaginably cruel to the profoundly moving to the outrageously burlesque - to let go for a moment. kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

> Hi Shelley > > Welcome to our mailing list. > The first and foremost place to start is the National Archives web site at > www.national.archives.gov.za > Here you can search the automated archival information retrieval system > called NAAIRS. > I typed in the word ECCLESTON and found the following documents pertaining > to this surname which I have listed below. > You will need to go back into that site and double click on each entry to > find out more about these documents. > However, you can not view them or order them on line - you will either have > to a) ask someone nicely on the mailing list to go and look them up for you > b) write to the archive repository concerned for copies (this does cost) or > c) pay a researcher. > > SELECT SOURCE VOLUME NO REFERENCE DESCRIPTION BEGIN DATE END DATE > 3/CT 4/2/1/3/511 B163 UNAUTHORISED ERECTION OF POULTRY HOUSE PALMYRA > ROAD, NEWLANDS BY FC 1932 1932 > MSCE 1950/1966 BELLENGERE, FLORENCE. BORN ECCLESTON. BORN IN > ENGLAND. PRSP 1966 1968 > 1/WEN 3/2/2 W217/1898 EJ ECCLESTON, SECRETARY, SETTLERS' COMMITTEE: > COMPLAINT RE- NATIVES 1898 1898 > MSCE 0 383/1914 ECCLESTON, THOMAS EDWARD. (S/S HILDA DULCIE, BORN > GOODWIN). 1914 1971 > MSCE 0 2473/1918 BELLENGERE, ALFRED HUGH GRANT. (S/S FLORENCE BORN > ECCLESTON). 1918 1918 > MSCE 0 14327/1929 ECCLESTON, EDWARD JAMES. (S/S MARIA, BORN JONES). > 1929 1942 > CNC 11 CNC492/1911 I) NATIVE AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT: INYONI OUTSPAN, > ZULULAND. II) 1911 1911 > MSCE 0 34181/1942 ECCLESTON, MARIA. (BORN JONES) (WIDOW). 1942 1943 > SGO III/1/124 SG621/1898 EJ ECCLESTON: APPLIES FOR A SUM OF $5 BEING > HALF YEARLY WATER RATE 1898 1898 > SGO III/1/130 SG3581/1898 EJ ECCLESTON TO DISPOSE OF HIS ALLOTMENT > OF WEENEN. 1898 1898 > SGO III/1/130 SG3750/1898 EI ECCLESTON RE A MEETING OF STOCKHOLDERS. > 1898 1898 > MSCE 713/1962 ECCLESTON, HILDA DULCIE. BORN GOODWIN. BORN IN > PIETERMARITZBURG, 1962 1982 > 3/PMB 4/3/351 1806/1939 WATTLES DEPARTMENT. RESIGNATION OF E > ECCLESTON, GENERAL ASSISTANT, 1931 1939 > MSCE 0 29/173 MOSS, JOHN ECCLESTON. (S/S CATHERINE). 1907 1907 > II 1/186 I2097/1912 MR. EJ ECCLESTON, INYONI: RE RATIONS OF > INDENTURED INDIANS. 1912 1912 > SGO III/1/269 SG3653/1909 T ECCLESTON, INYONI: PAYMENT OF RENT ON > ZULULAND FARMS. 1909 1909 > 1/MTU 3/4/1/2 2/1929 ESTATE FILE: EDWARD JAMES ECCLESTON. 1929 1929 > BNS 1/2/69 A2736 ECCLESTON, HAROLD. DEPORTATION OF. 1924 1924 > TAD 910 G5630/213 STEAM PLOUGH ACCOUNT. TE ECCLESTON, MTUNZINI. > 1912 1912 > TPD 0 3838/1973 ILLIQUID CASE. MORTGAGE BOND. STEPHANUS RUDOLF > JORDAAN VERSUS HARRY 1973 1973 > > SELECT SOURCE VOLUME NO REFERENCE DESCRIPTION BEGIN DATE END DATE > TPD 7377/1970 ILLIQUID CASE. DIVORCE. LILIAN GENE ECCLESTON (BORN > CLIFFORD) VERSUS 1970 1970 > WLD 1679/1975 ILLIQUID CASE. DIVORCE. SIMONE FRANCINE JEANNINE > ECCLESTON (BORN 1975 1975 > WLD 1227/1975 OPPOSED APPLICATION. SIMMONE FRANCINE JEANNINE > ECCLESTON VERSUS 1975 1975 > MHG 2604/69 COCKBILL, MARILYN. (BORN ECCLESTON). 1969 1969 > WLD 0 282/1904 ILLIQUID CASE PAYMENT WILLIAM ECCLESTON VERSUS LINDON > HALE LATIMER 1904 1904 > WLD 5789/1980 ILLIQUID CASE. PAYMENT. LEON MARTHINUS KRUGER VERSUS > JAMES ECCLESTON. 1980 1980 > MHG 3972/75 ECCLESTON, THOMAS HOLT. 1975 1975 > WLD 16919/1980 ILLIQUID CASE. DIVORCE. EMMA GEORGINA ECCLESTON > (FORMERLY 1980 1980 > WLD 4737/1980 OPPOSED APPLICATION. ATTACHMENT. LEON MARTHINUS KRUGER > VERSUS JAMES 1980 1980 > MHG 33874 NUTTALL, HARRY ECCLESTON. EGGENOTES: ELIZABETH MARIA > MAGDALENA 1942 1942 > SOO 1/1/199 N52/60 DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND TRAINING. ECCLESTON > NATIVE FARM SCHOOL, 1964 1964 > MHG 0 N1447 NUTTALL, ELIZABETH MARIA MAGDALENA. NOOIENSVAN ROOD. > EGGENOOT HARRY 1919 1919 > Bellengere, F - Gravestone. 1880 1966 > RSC 5A/1916 I2860/74 COERTZEN, WILLIAM MARTHINUS. 1974 1975 > RSC 5A/1916 I2860/74 COERTZEN, OLGA ECCLESTON. BORN SCHUIN. 1974 > 1975 > > hope this helps > Kind regards > Heather > > > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za > > Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shelley Eccleston" <shelley7@optonline.net> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 3:14 AM > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Coal Mining & ECCLESTON Family > > > > Hello, > > My name is Shelley and I live in the USA. Bit far from Cape Town! I am > researching a person named JOHN ECCLESTON from Lancashire County, England. I > don't know when he was born but it was probably between 1800 and 1820 as he > had a son named THOMAS born 1841/1844 period in Standish, Lancashire, > England. > > > > I have been told that John Eccleston travelled around a bit and spent some > time as a miner and went to Africa. I have also been told that it is likely > that he went to South Africa. However, John was a stone mason (although he > may have changed professions) and his son was a miner. So it may be Thomas > or even another ECCLESTON that came to Africa to mine. > > > > I am looking for any information or advice in possibly finding record of > an ECCLESTON involved with any mining industry in Africa. > > > > Thanks so much! I know I am probably reaching! > > > > Shelley > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > Cape Town Family History Society > > www.genealogy.co.za/society.html > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > >

Hi Shelley Welcome to our mailing list. The first and foremost place to start is the National Archives web site at www.national.archives.gov.za Here you can search the automated archival information retrieval system called NAAIRS. I typed in the word ECCLESTON and found the following documents pertaining to this surname which I have listed below. You will need to go back into that site and double click on each entry to find out more about these documents. However, you can not view them or order them on line - you will either have to a) ask someone nicely on the mailing list to go and look them up for you b) write to the archive repository concerned for copies (this does cost) or c) pay a researcher. SELECT SOURCE VOLUME NO REFERENCE DESCRIPTION BEGIN DATE END DATE 3/CT 4/2/1/3/511 B163 UNAUTHORISED ERECTION OF POULTRY HOUSE PALMYRA ROAD, NEWLANDS BY FC 1932 1932 MSCE 1950/1966 BELLENGERE, FLORENCE. BORN ECCLESTON. BORN IN ENGLAND. PRSP 1966 1968 1/WEN 3/2/2 W217/1898 EJ ECCLESTON, SECRETARY, SETTLERS' COMMITTEE: COMPLAINT RE- NATIVES 1898 1898 MSCE 0 383/1914 ECCLESTON, THOMAS EDWARD. (S/S HILDA DULCIE, BORN GOODWIN). 1914 1971 MSCE 0 2473/1918 BELLENGERE, ALFRED HUGH GRANT. (S/S FLORENCE BORN ECCLESTON). 1918 1918 MSCE 0 14327/1929 ECCLESTON, EDWARD JAMES. (S/S MARIA, BORN JONES). 1929 1942 CNC 11 CNC492/1911 I) NATIVE AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT: INYONI OUTSPAN, ZULULAND. II) 1911 1911 MSCE 0 34181/1942 ECCLESTON, MARIA. (BORN JONES) (WIDOW). 1942 1943 SGO III/1/124 SG621/1898 EJ ECCLESTON: APPLIES FOR A SUM OF $5 BEING HALF YEARLY WATER RATE 1898 1898 SGO III/1/130 SG3581/1898 EJ ECCLESTON TO DISPOSE OF HIS ALLOTMENT OF WEENEN. 1898 1898 SGO III/1/130 SG3750/1898 EI ECCLESTON RE A MEETING OF STOCKHOLDERS. 1898 1898 MSCE 713/1962 ECCLESTON, HILDA DULCIE. BORN GOODWIN. BORN IN PIETERMARITZBURG, 1962 1982 3/PMB 4/3/351 1806/1939 WATTLES DEPARTMENT. RESIGNATION OF E ECCLESTON, GENERAL ASSISTANT, 1931 1939 MSCE 0 29/173 MOSS, JOHN ECCLESTON. (S/S CATHERINE). 1907 1907 II 1/186 I2097/1912 MR. EJ ECCLESTON, INYONI: RE RATIONS OF INDENTURED INDIANS. 1912 1912 SGO III/1/269 SG3653/1909 T ECCLESTON, INYONI: PAYMENT OF RENT ON ZULULAND FARMS. 1909 1909 1/MTU 3/4/1/2 2/1929 ESTATE FILE: EDWARD JAMES ECCLESTON. 1929 1929 BNS 1/2/69 A2736 ECCLESTON, HAROLD. DEPORTATION OF. 1924 1924 TAD 910 G5630/213 STEAM PLOUGH ACCOUNT. TE ECCLESTON, MTUNZINI. 1912 1912 TPD 0 3838/1973 ILLIQUID CASE. MORTGAGE BOND. STEPHANUS RUDOLF JORDAAN VERSUS HARRY 1973 1973 SELECT SOURCE VOLUME NO REFERENCE DESCRIPTION BEGIN DATE END DATE TPD 7377/1970 ILLIQUID CASE. DIVORCE. LILIAN GENE ECCLESTON (BORN CLIFFORD) VERSUS 1970 1970 WLD 1679/1975 ILLIQUID CASE. DIVORCE. SIMONE FRANCINE JEANNINE ECCLESTON (BORN 1975 1975 WLD 1227/1975 OPPOSED APPLICATION. SIMMONE FRANCINE JEANNINE ECCLESTON VERSUS 1975 1975 MHG 2604/69 COCKBILL, MARILYN. (BORN ECCLESTON). 1969 1969 WLD 0 282/1904 ILLIQUID CASE PAYMENT WILLIAM ECCLESTON VERSUS LINDON HALE LATIMER 1904 1904 WLD 5789/1980 ILLIQUID CASE. PAYMENT. LEON MARTHINUS KRUGER VERSUS JAMES ECCLESTON. 1980 1980 MHG 3972/75 ECCLESTON, THOMAS HOLT. 1975 1975 WLD 16919/1980 ILLIQUID CASE. DIVORCE. EMMA GEORGINA ECCLESTON (FORMERLY 1980 1980 WLD 4737/1980 OPPOSED APPLICATION. ATTACHMENT. LEON MARTHINUS KRUGER VERSUS JAMES 1980 1980 MHG 33874 NUTTALL, HARRY ECCLESTON. EGGENOTES: ELIZABETH MARIA MAGDALENA 1942 1942 SOO 1/1/199 N52/60 DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND TRAINING. ECCLESTON NATIVE FARM SCHOOL, 1964 1964 MHG 0 N1447 NUTTALL, ELIZABETH MARIA MAGDALENA. NOOIENSVAN ROOD. EGGENOOT HARRY 1919 1919 Bellengere, F - Gravestone. 1880 1966 RSC 5A/1916 I2860/74 COERTZEN, WILLIAM MARTHINUS. 1974 1975 RSC 5A/1916 I2860/74 COERTZEN, OLGA ECCLESTON. BORN SCHUIN. 1974 1975 hope this helps Kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shelley Eccleston" <shelley7@optonline.net> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 3:14 AM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Coal Mining & ECCLESTON Family > Hello, > My name is Shelley and I live in the USA. Bit far from Cape Town! I am researching a person named JOHN ECCLESTON from Lancashire County, England. I don't know when he was born but it was probably between 1800 and 1820 as he had a son named THOMAS born 1841/1844 period in Standish, Lancashire, England. > > I have been told that John Eccleston travelled around a bit and spent some time as a miner and went to Africa. I have also been told that it is likely that he went to South Africa. However, John was a stone mason (although he may have changed professions) and his son was a miner. So it may be Thomas or even another ECCLESTON that came to Africa to mine. > > I am looking for any information or advice in possibly finding record of an ECCLESTON involved with any mining industry in Africa. > > Thanks so much! I know I am probably reaching! > > Shelley > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Cape Town Family History Society > www.genealogy.co.za/society.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Hello, My name is Shelley and I live in the USA. Bit far from Cape Town! I am researching a person named JOHN ECCLESTON from Lancashire County, England. I don't know when he was born but it was probably between 1800 and 1820 as he had a son named THOMAS born 1841/1844 period in Standish, Lancashire, England. I have been told that John Eccleston travelled around a bit and spent some time as a miner and went to Africa. I have also been told that it is likely that he went to South Africa. However, John was a stone mason (although he may have changed professions) and his son was a miner. So it may be Thomas or even another ECCLESTON that came to Africa to mine. I am looking for any information or advice in possibly finding record of an ECCLESTON involved with any mining industry in Africa. Thanks so much! I know I am probably reaching! Shelley

The Cape Town Family History Society welcomes Dr. Dan Sleigh as its guest speaker. Dr. Sleigh is renowned for his History of VOC and Dutch History of South Africa as well as an acomplished author - his latest publication which is now available called "Islands" (see info below) As well as the Annual AGM of the Society, Dr Sleigh will be talking on "Old Cape Families" Saturday 17th July Place: Wynberg Boys High School, Lover's Walk, Wynberg Time: 2:30 R5.00 non members R3.00 tea for everyone Book your seats now at society@genealogy.co.za Islands covers the first half-century or so of Dutch settlement at the Cape, opening with a view from the inside of a Khoi nation, the Goringhaicona, under the leadership of Autshumao, dubbed "chief Harry" by early English visitors. For the indigenous peoples it is the beginning of the end of a way of life in close interaction with the subcontinent, its seasons and rhythms, its harshness and abundance. It was during Autshumao's time that the first key woman of South Africa's post-colonisation story makes her appearance: she is Autshumao's niece, Krotoa, brought into Commander Van Riebeeck's household as Eva, go-between and interpreter between the Europeans and the Khoi. When she is drawn into the first 'mixed' marriage of the new colony, one of her children is Pieternella, who becomes the pivot of all the action in this unforgettable epic. Each of the sections of the novel is focused on a man involved in one way or another with Pieternella. Through the life stories of these ! key figures - all of them men, but all defined in one way or another by the central female character - the reader is offered an understanding of the vast historical forces at work in the shaping of the world in the late 17th and early 18th centuries. Each of these brings a whole new geography, a new dimension of experience, into the novel. Behind these 'little men', who are not allowed any choice by history, loom the ones who apparently take the decisions, the commanders and governors and captains and the still greater, more shadowy, potentates, the Lords Seventeen who are in charge of the Dutch East India Company. For it is the Company that ultimately decides the fate of all the millions ruled by it; it is as inexorable, and as mindlessly cruel, as Nature itself. Islands is too crammed with characters and events, too gripping in its unpredictable turns and contortions, too rich with lived experience, too staggering in the scale of its adventures - from the unimaginably crue! l to the profoundly moving to the outrageously burlesque - to let go for a moment. courtesy of Random House Publishers More Information Secker & Warburg . General & literary fiction Publication date: 01/04/2004 . 256 pages . 241x160mm . ISBN: 043620620X Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

Afternoon All Can someone please help me locate Catherine Hare the first patient Prof Spitz (one of the world's leading paediatric surgeons )operated on as a surgeon at the Transvaal Memorial Hospital in Johannesburg in 1968. I don't have much to go on. Catherine was born in January 1968 in Johannesburg. would love to hear from anyone thanks Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

Good afternoon everyone...... my goodness but this list is very quiet ? Found some new surnames which I am researching in Cape Town and wondered if anyone had them in their tree VENN NANNUCCI RODICK SPERRIN LUXTON would love to hear from all these connections cheers Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

--=======1ED02B3D======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-29D37590; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi there I am new to the list.Scottish but living in West Australia. All my ancesters are Scottish. I came across a MI which give details of the Death of Andrew Bryson aged 75 who died in Cape Town on 6th December 1924 his mother also died there 29/4/1907. Does anyone have any connections to these folk, also any Afflecks who may have migrated to SA Thanks Marion --=======1ED02B3D======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-29D37590 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.708 / Virus Database: 464 - Release Date: 18/06/04 --=======1ED02B3D=======--

Hello Marion Welcome to the Cape Town Mailing list One of the best places to start your research is the National Archives at www.national.archives.gov.za on this site you go to the National Automated Archival Retrieval System and choose the Data base RSA. Then type in either the surname only in the first line or the surname in the first line and then the christian name in the second line. You will then give given a number of hits - you can then click on the document you think might be the one you are looking for and it will give you a brief description of the document. You will either have to write to the archives concerned, ask someone nicely on the list or pay a researcher. I did a quick search on the surname of AFFLECK and found 66 documents. When asking on the mailing list for information on a particular person please try and give as much information as you can so we know which decade or year we are dealing with. With regards to Andrew Bryson these documents below were found in the Cape Town Archives SELECT SOURCE VOLUME NO REFERENCE DESCRIPTION BEGIN DATE END DATE MOOC 13/1/5486 29 BRYSON, ANDREW. LIQUIDATION AND DISTRIBUTION ACCOUNT. FIRST ACCOUNT. 1926 1926 MOOC 6/9/2720 6453 BRYSON, ANDREW. ESTATE PAPERS. 1924 1924 DOC 4/1/803 4571 MORTGAGE BOND. ANDREW BRYSON. 1901 1901 DOC 4/1/875 5633 MORTGAGE BOND. ANDREW BRYSON. 1902 1902 DOC 4/1/219 87 MORTGAGE BOND. ANDREW BRYSON. 1887 1887 MOOC 13/1/5516 395 BRYSON, ANDREW. LIQUIDATION AND DISTRIBUTION ACCOUNT. SECOND ACCOUNT. 1926 1926 A death notice (which is usually included in the estate papers) will give you the following information: 1. Full names and Surnames of the deceased. 2. Dates and Places of : birth, marriage (sometimes) and death 3. Details of spouse and sometimes predeceased or ex wife 4. Details of children and sometimes dates of birth or ages 5. Details of parents sometimes states whether they are deceased or not 6. Sometimes grandchildren names and dates of birth or ages Do you know who Andrew's mother was ? hope this helps Kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Affleck" <renfrew@iinet.net.au> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Re: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-D Digest V04 #51 > --=======1ED02B3D======= > Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-29D37590; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Hi there > I am new to the list.Scottish but living in West Australia. All my > ancesters are Scottish. I came across a MI which give details of the Death > of Andrew Bryson aged 75 who died in Cape Town on 6th December 1924 his > mother also died there 29/4/1907. > Does anyone have any connections to these folk, also any Afflecks who may > have migrated to SA > Thanks > Marion > > > --=======1ED02B3D======= > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-29D37590 > Content-Disposition: inline > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.708 / Virus Database: 464 - Release Date: 18/06/04 > > --=======1ED02B3D=======-- > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Cape Town Family History Society > www.genealogy.co.za/society.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Afternoon all Came across this website today http://www.smom-za.org/cidsa/index.htm - the ideal place to contact the priests at al the Catholic churches for those elusive catholic ancestors kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

GRANDMA'S FAMILY TREE There's been a change in Grandma, we've noticed her of late, She's reading history or jotting down some date. She's tracking back the family, we'll all have pedigrees. Oh, Grandma's got a hobby, she's climbing Family Trees. Poor Grandpa does the cooking and now, or so he states, That worst of all, he has to wash the cups and Dinner plates. Grandma can't be bothered, she's busy as a bee, Compiling Genealogy, for the Family Tree. She has no time to baby-sit, the curtains are a fright. No buttons left on Granddad's shirt, the flower bed's a sight. She's given up her club work, the serials on TV, The only thing she does nowadays is climb the Family Tree. She goes down to the Courthouse and studies ancient lore, We know more about our forebears than we ever knew before. The books are old and dusty, they make poor Grandma sneeze, A minor irritation when you're climbing Family Trees. The mail is all for Grandma, it comes from near and far, Last week she got the proof she needs to join the DAR. A worthwhile avocation, to that we all agree, A monumental project, to climb the Family Tree. Now some folks came from Scotland and some from Galway Bay, Some were French as pastry, some German, all the way. Some went on West to stake their claim. Some stayed near by the sea. Grandma hopes to find them all as she climbs the Family Tree. She wanders through the graveyard in search of date or name, The rich, the poor, the in-between, all sleeping there the same. She pauses now and then to rest, fanned by a gentle breeze, That blows above the Fathers of all our Family Trees. There were pioneers and patriots mixed in our kith and kin, Who blazed the paths of wilderness and fought through thick and thin. But none more staunch than Grandma, whose eyes light up with glee, Each times she finds a missing branch for the Family Tree. Their skills were wide and varied, from Carpenter to Cook, And one (Alas) the record shows was hopelessly a crook. Blacksmith, weaver, farmer, judge, some tutored for a fee. Long lost in time, now all recorded on the Family Tree. To some it's just a hobby, to Grandma it's much more, She knows the joys and heartaches of those who went before. They loved, they lost, they laughed, they wept, and now for you and me, They live again in spirit, around the Family Tree. At last she's nearly finished and we are each exposed. Life will be the same again, this we supposed ! Grandma will cook and sew, serve cookies with our tea. We'll all be fat, just as before that wretched Family Tree. Sad to relate, The Preacher called and visited for a spell, We talked about the Gospel, and other things as well, The heathen folk, the poor- and then- 'twas fate, it had to be, Somehow the conversation turned to Grandma and the Family Tree. We tried to change the subject, we talked of everything, But then in Grandma's voice we heard that old familiar ring. She told him all about the past and soon was plain to see, The Preacher, too, was nearly snared by Grandma and the Family Tree. He never knew his Grandpa, his mother's name was ..Clark? He and Grandma talked and talked, outside it grew quite dark. We'd hoped our fears were groundless, but just like some disease, Grandma's become an addict--- She's hooked on Family Trees. Our souls were filled with sorrow, our hearts sank with dismay, Our ears could scarce believe the words we heard our Grandma say, "It sure is a lucky thing that you have come to me, I know exactly how it's done, I'll climb your Family Tree. Author Unknown Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm