Hi Mike, Welcome to the Cape List. KANNEMEYER is a well known and respected family in the Wynberg district. Although not related, I know of and met Mr and Mrs Kannemeyer (Albert, I think is name was), about 24 years ago in Perth, Western Australia. We all enjoyed a few evenings together chatting, eating and dancing. This couple visited my parents who grew up around the same area. They were involved in education and the local church. I have also noticed whilst searching a directory, a school named after this family name, right next to my ggfather's property. Also found a reference (1910) to Mr Fred Kannemeyer of the Church of the Province, when I was searching for church records. Also see http://www.stamouers.com/ for progenitor. Names, occupations, dates and places would help. This is a very friendly and helpful list. Regards, Elva Hanly Queensland, Australia > Good morning from Canada. My interests are Solomon's, Kannemeyers, and > possibly Twynams or Twinams. I look forward to hearing from you. > > Regards, Mike (butlerm@mcmaster.ca ) > Can you please send to the list some more details regarding these > surnames. > We would love to see some first names, when they were born or died, who > they married, where they lived, that there occupations were and how you > are related. > Look forward to seeing your continued and active participation on the > list > kind regards > Heather >

Hello Elva This is wonderful - what a small world indeed !! kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za is soon due to be re-vamped and re-launched. This web site will have more content and more surprises.......please keep watching my home page for the latest announcements. Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm Join the Cape Town Mailing list at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ZAF/SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elva Hanly" <theaviary@bigpond.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 2:58 AM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Re:New to the List Hi Mike, Welcome to the Cape List. KANNEMEYER is a well known and respected family in the Wynberg district. Although not related, I know of and met Mr and Mrs Kannemeyer (Albert, I think is name was), about 24 years ago in Perth, Western Australia. We all enjoyed a few evenings together chatting, eating and dancing. This couple visited my parents who grew up around the same area. They were involved in education and the local church. I have also noticed whilst searching a directory, a school named after this family name, right next to my ggfather's property. Also found a reference (1910) to Mr Fred Kannemeyer of the Church of the Province, when I was searching for church records. Also see http://www.stamouers.com/ for progenitor. Names, occupations, dates and places would help. This is a very friendly and helpful list. Regards, Elva Hanly Queensland, Australia > Good morning from Canada. My interests are Solomon's, Kannemeyers, and > possibly Twynams or Twinams. I look forward to hearing from you. > > Regards, Mike (butlerm@mcmaster.ca ) > Can you please send to the list some more details regarding these > surnames. > We would love to see some first names, when they were born or died, who > they married, where they lived, that there occupations were and how you > are related. > Look forward to seeing your continued and active participation on the > list > kind regards > Heather > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hello and good evening Mike Welcome to our mailing list. You sent me an email asking about the following surnames: Good morning from Canada. My interests are Solomon's, Kannemeyers, and possibly Twynams or Twinams. I look forward to hearing from you. Regards, Mike (butlerm@mcmaster.ca ) Can you please send to the list some more details regarding these surnames. We would love to see some first names, when they were born or died, who they married, where they lived, that there occupations were and how you are related. Look forward to seeing your continued and active participation on the list kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za is soon due to be re-vamped and re-launched. This web site will have more content and more surprises.......please keep watching my home page for the latest announcements. Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm Join the Cape Town Mailing list at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ZAF/SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN.html

Evening all Please find below part three of the City and Civil Servants club list Continued....not in strict alphabetical order 1901 Finch, J R (OBE) 1912 Felbert, Theo 1922 Findlay, G. Stuart 1928 Frames, P Ross 1929 Farber, H 1930 Frost, E C 1934 Francis, P J 1935 Findlay, A S 1935 Findlay, G R 1935 Findlay, J P 1935 Focke, C E 1935 Forbes, J F 1935 Feenstra J P 1935 Fisher, A F 1928 Foster, W C 1938 Foster, W C 1902 Fuller, A C 1938 Fuller, A C 1903 Gie, G G 1903 Garlick, R C 1910 Green, G A L 1913 Grant, W H 1916 Gibson, T B 1917 Godbold, H Mackie 1919 Grant, Roy M 1920 Griffiths, J Whitford 1923 Graves, F S A 1924 Gilchrist, Warren 1925 Glennie, F M 1927 Graumann, Sir Harry (OBE) 1927 Garlick, R R 1927 Garlick, D M 1928 Godwin, G B 1929 Gibson, W K 1930 Gee, E W 1931 Galvin, John 1933 Gie, A H 1933 Gain, R P 1935 Green, Douglas 1936 Gailbraith, H G 1936 Gohl, T E 1937 Gregorowski, R H 1937 Gibson, A E 1937 Godlonton, D B 1937 Gore, Wm 1937 Gibbons, S K 1937 Gill, E M 1897 Hands, Sir Harry (K.B.E.) 1897 Hewat, Dr. D Bennie 1900 Hennessy, Sir Alfred T (K.B.E.) 1900 Harsant, John G 1903 Hartley, Ernest John 1906 Haddon, H. Evelyn 1910 Hooper, A S 1911 Hill, A G 1917 Harry, Cecil Whyte 1918 Harris, W D 1918 Hewertson, W W 1919 Hudson, A T 1919 Horne, Percy Stuart 1921 Hill, P P 1923 Howes, E H 1923 Horner, F C 1928 Hogg, A Gordon 1932 Handley, B C 1932 Hofmeyr, J J 1932 Haddow, J R 1933 Herbert, J W F 1933 Hockly, H E 1933 Hirschhorn, F 1935 Hablutzel, C 1935 Hanson, John 1935 Hanton Major S B 1935 Herbert, W J 1935 Hofmeyr, J H S 1935 Hoheison, A 1936 Hodson, W E 1937 Hund, L kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za is soon due to be re-vamped and re-launched. This web site will have more content and more surprises.......please keep watching my home page for the latest announcements. Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm Join the Cape Town Mailing list at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ZAF/SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN.html

Evening All Please find below part two of the City Club Members Continued..... 1897 Currey, W A 1921 Coulter, C W A (MP) 1923 Chalmers J (MP) 1923 Chisholm, OB 1924 Chappell, Sir Ernest (CBE) 1928 Currie, A 1928 Crittall, R B 1928 Cowin, Capt. O A 1929 Cooper, Sisson 1930 Collins, W J 1930 Castle, Frank 1930 Cronwright, Alfred 1932 Clough, M 1933 Crean, E J 1933 Clement, S A 1933 Cullis, S H 1934 Campbell, A McCullough 1934 Coombs, W A 1935 Campbell, C L 1935 Cockesedge, R D 1935 Corder, C S 1936 Curry, J 1936 Canning, A K 1936 Courteny, F B 1937 Cowie, Graham 1937 Claassens, Dr. J D M 1932 Close, P L 1937 Close, P L 1938 Cannan, J F 1905 Douglas. James (OBE) 1919 Douglas, Dr Robert D A 1920 Dunn, J S (CBE) 1921 De Beer, Reginald E 1924 Davis, Woolf 1927 Dose, W K 1927 Dalldorf, A H 1928 Davis, Bernard 1929 Dent, Norris W 1929 Davies, T Hart 1931 Duncan, T Graeme 1932 Daggit, R P 1933 Duminy, J A 1935 Douglas, R H 1938 Downer, W E 1938 Duncan, H Denoon 1909 Elliott, William 1924 Ellis, C H 1928 Elsworth, Capt. L A 1929 Evans, W V 1934 Eger, F 1935 Elliott, A E T 1935 Ernst, Albert E 1936 Edwards, A O to be continued Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

Hello Listers, When I found that one of my ggfathers, his brothers and sons were wagonmakers,and they married daughters of coopers, farriers and saddle-makers of Paarl, I decided to search for some information about this industry. I received some very interesting history from various sources, too much to send in one message. However I also found names of artisans in the wagonmaking industry. If any of your names appear below I will be happy to do a lookup and provide more information about the person if possible. Please send your request directly to me (OFF LIST) and allow a couple of days for a reply as I have a day job with long hours. <Paarl’s wagon trade had its origin in a number of one-man workshops where the old craftsmen specialised in repairs. Then they began making wheels and harness, woodwork and axles. Droeriem was the quarter of Paarl where every backyard was devoted to some form of wagon-building. Some of the interesting names of especially the carts were: The Boston; Victoria; Jubilee; Java Spider; Doctor's Gig; Doctor's Comfort; Grasshopper; Beauforter; Vrystater; Ceres Buggy; Wellingtoner; Pickstone’s Favourite; Voortrekker; Wanderer. The sanitary wagons were known as night wagons. There were also hearses and other vehicles used to provide public services. Wages of the wagonmaking undustry: 1885 - 7/6 per day , 1909 - 6/- to 10/- per day. By 1914 the decline of the wagonmaking industry was evident. The most important reason for this was the appearance of motor cars, trucks and tractors. During the 1920’s the wagon factories started closing, one by one. Paarl’s last wagonmaker was Harry Solomon who operated his business from 27 Main Street, from the 1940’s until 1974.> Wagonmakers, blacksmiths, farriers, wheelwrights, carpenters, painters, saddle-makers, harness-makers, coopers, turners, tanners, upholsterers. Some of the NAMES OF ARTISANS I found mentioned include: John du Plessis, P. du Plessis,D.J. du Plessis Moerats Kiampies J.C. Wahl; C. Wahl; C.J. Wahl; D.H. Wahl; Constant Wahl, C. sn; A.S. Brink; L. Brink , Jan Andreas PetrusBrink G.C. van Ellewee, G.C. Bonthuys; M.C.V. Thom; Michiel Thom; H.J. Havenga, A.J. Bester; Jan Phillips, B. Phillips; J.F. Phillips; Wheeler Zuidmeer J.H. Bernardi, C.C. Bernhardi Pieter B. de Ville; J.D. de Ville; J.D. de Ville, jr; P.B de Ville en Kie; P.B. de Ville, sr; P.B. de Ville, J.D. sn; J.H. de Villiers, Jan Jacobus de Villiers, S.W.A. de Villiers; A.T. de Viliers; O.T. de Villiers; I.J. de Villiers, O.T. sn; M. Smuts du Toit Moses Lurie Michael Krawitz Kaplan Roup J. Spangenberg; Johannes Petrus van Blerk Frans van Nierop; Johan Coenraad Waldpot; Gillian Johannes Wolfaart H.A.J. Basson; Jacob de Bot; Sybrand Johannes van der Spuy Jan Jacobus Anthon; C.J.F. Delvecchio Francis Hepburn; Joseph Verster; S.J. Verster B.G. Reyneke; B.J. Solomon; Hermanus Jacobus van der Spuy. Robert C. Allsop G.C. Keet J.F.B. Page; J. Rode; J. Blignault; Geo. Church; M H J Uys Wm. Gebhard; J. Genade; S.P. Jordaan; P.A. le Roux Melt Louw, T. Louw; G.J. Malherbe; G.W. v.d. L. Malherbe; J. Malan; A.J. Marais, J. Marais; F. Perold; J.P. Retief; F.J.P. Retief David Dennit Small; Jacobus Hendrik Theunissen Jacob Coenraad Johannes van Ellewee; H.A.W. van Niekerk; J.O. van Niekerk Jan Daniel Wannenburg B.B. Wilson; J. Woudberg W.L. Arnold; Jan Frederik Baartman, jr. Pieter Casper Bartman Paul F. de Kock P.A.J. de Roubaix; Gabriel Domingo, K. Domingo, Baderdien Domingo, Kiamodien Domingo Bazier Latief ,Abdol Latief J. Francke; J.E. Minnaar; P.C. Page I.A. Perold; A.J. Roome; R.J. Smith. C.G.E. Starke Johannes Jeremias Blignaut Henry Samuel Dickson Everhardus Jacobus Frick J Hendrik Durr P. de Kock M.F. Gibbons; Jan Boyes Jan Derksen Weintroub My apologies if some names were repeated Regards, Elva

Afternoon all I found this list of people in an old book of mine on the City and Civil Servants Club of Cape Town. Are any of you relatives here ? List of Members at 25th April 1938 (showing year of election) President H.E. The Right Hon. Sir Patrick Duncan Trustees: Walter Marshall, Esq. Gerald Orpen, Esq. Committee: A.I. Little (chairman) F.M. Askland E.W. Brown C.S. Corder J.P. Findlay A. Gordon Hogg E.R Keegan R.W. Normand A.F. Stephen Secretary: Major R.H. Hughesdon, M.C. Life Members: R. R. Brydone E.S. Steytler Julius Jeppe Wm. Spilhaus Town Members: 1924 Allin, W. George 1925 Alexander D 1926 Anderson J J 1928 Askland F M 1929 Armour R 1931 Ashton DR. M L 1931 Abbott W 1934 Abbott C B M 1931 Adler Dr. W K 1933 Ashton H S 1934 Adams A E 1936 Aldridge L 1937 Atkinson B T 1938 Aldous T R 1893 Bullen A H 1897 Beard H R 1898 Baxter W. Duncan 1909 Benjamin Sidney 1913 Bean David 1920 Butters Capt. W R 1921 Bowsher Frank 1922 Brown H Wray 1922 Bremner James 1923 Boehmke H 1923 Beckett H M 1923 Blencowe 1925 Buchanan R H 1927 Bertish H 1927 Brown E W 1928 Babbs A T 1928 Baumann Wm 1929 Boyle C A 1932 Broadhead A C 1932 Bond Sydney J 1933 Bysshe E H 1934 Botha L J 1934 Burns T S 1935 Bain Kenneth W D 1935 Birbeck G 1935 Briggs A 1935 Brinton W 1935 Brown D E 1935 Brown H D 1935 Brown N R 1935 Burmeester 1936 Balsillie A A 1936 Boyle A H 1937 Baretta Dr A 1937 Bennett F A 1937 Benham E E to continue.......................... Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

Evening all Are all the mailing lists down - all been very quiet ? The building now called Admiralty House has been standing since at least 1740, although there have been significant alterations to the house's appearance, especially after it was damaged by a storm in 1853. Like the Residency, it is on the main road, St. George's Street (on the M4). When Rudyard Kipling visited the house, he recorded that the Admiral kept turtles tied to the jetty, so that they could swim about in the sea until the soup ingredients were ready for them. During the American Civil War, the house was visited by the captain of the Confederate raider Alabama. This visit inspired Daar Kom Die Alabama, the best known of the songs sung by Cape Town's Muslim community. H.M Stanley called in, on his way to find Livingstone, as did Captain Scott, while on his way to the Antarctic. In 1947, The Royal Family attended a garden party here. In the nineteen fifties, Lady Campbell, wife of Vice-Admiral Sir Ian Campbell, saw the ghosts of men in naval uniform on the stairs. In the nineteen seventies, Mrs. Johnson, wife of Vice-Admiral J.V.Johnson, also experienced weird happenings, including an invisible gentleman who opened a door for her, and closed it behind her. Admiralty House is also haunted by a woman with brown hair, who wears a long, grey dress (it must be the uniform of the afterlife). Some say that it is the same "grey Lady" which haunts the Residency, and another naval residence, Ibeka. The three buildings are supposed to be linked by tunnels. The haunting at Ibeka, however, may be linked to a governess who hanged herself on the attic landing. Also at Ibeka, the spectre of an old man, sitting on the toilet, has been seen. Ibeka is on Cornwall Street, on the hill. The fine Georgian building called Palace Barracks, on the brow of the hill, was once linked to the seashore by a cable car. It is haunted by an old sea captain, who disturbs officers in their billets. The sounds of drinking and billiard playing are heard from the billiard room, even when there is nobody in it. Upstairs, the ghost of an elderly woman bends over beds. An unusually dangerous ghost lifted an officer from his chair, and threw him across the room. (Obviously, this seat was was already taken.) The entity which sits on people's chests and tries to strangle them, however, is such a common worldwide phenomenon that doctors have a name for it. Of course, having a name for something is not the same as having a satisfactory explanation. Another ghost at Palace Barracks is that of Mary Kingsley, the famous explorer of West Africa, much admired by Trader Horn and Rudyard Kipling. The jungle experts had advised her to wear male clothing, but always a lady, she took more feminine attire. The thick skirts saved her life when she fell into a spiked game pit. Of course, this sensible attitude would work just as well for men. As a matter of fact, Lord Baden-Powell wrote in a guide for Boy Scouts, that the nimbleness he acquired as a young man, by dancing in long skirts, saved his life when he had to flee from the Matabele in the rocky Matopo Hills. So, intrepid explorers, pop into your local branch of Transformation, strip off your prejudices and your trousers, and put on a dress. It may save your life! But I make no promises. In 1900, at the age of thirty-seven, Mary Kingsley volunteered to nurse Boer prisoners during an outbreak of enteric fever. She contracted the illness herself, but her indomitable spirit does not know that she died, and remains in the building. Between the main road and the sea, is the alley called Black's Lane. On this alley was, and possibly still is, Mafeking Terrace, a group of three houses. If it is still there, the house which was once number three is haunted by the voyeurish spirit of a tall, dark man, nicknamed "Wilbur" by the family which lived there. In life, the ghost was Robert Coupar, who, while a boarder at the house, strangled his lover's baby and threw it in the sea. He was later hanged. According to Margaret Williamson, Mafeking Terrace was deserted in 1992, and unfortunately, I did not have the chance to check on it during my visit to Simonstown in 2001. In the naval dockyard is St. George's Church, the "Sail-Loft Church", on the upper floor of an eighteenth century stone building. As the name suggests, sailmakers once plied their trade in what is now a church. This building, with its clock tower, and gable decorated with an anchor, is worth seeing for its picturesqueness alone. The doors at the entrance are of stinkwood, and the floors are yellowwood. These are South Africa's most prized timbers. There is a mural by the South African artist Joy Collier, who is one of the people to have heard ghostly footsteps in the church. The former rectory of the Anglican Church (the one on the main road, next to the Simonstown Museum), is a stone-built residence, and another place where ghostly footsteps and banging doors have been heard. In 1949, a Mrs. Martin was the wife of the Anglican minister. In a letter to the Cape Times about the haunting, Mrs.Martin also mentioned a ghost called the "white lady", which haunted a house a few doors down in the same street. kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

Hello Listers, When I found that one of my ggfathers, his brothers and sons were wagonmakers,and they married daughters of coopers, farriers and saddle-makers of Paarl, I decided to search for some information about this industry. I received some very interesting history from various sources, too much to send in one message. However I also found names of artisans in the wagonmaking industry. If any of your names appear below I will be happy to do a lookup and provide more information about the person if possible. Please send your request directly to me (OFF LIST) and allow a couple of days for a reply as I have a day job. <Paarl’s wagon trade had its origin in a number of one-man workshops where the old craftsmen specialised in repairs. Then they began making wheels and harness, woodwork and axles. Droeriem was the quarter of Paarl where every backyard was devoted to some form of wagon-building. Some of the interesting names of especially the carts were: The Boston; Victoria; Jubilee; Java Spider; Doctor's Gig; Doctor's Comfort; Grasshopper; Beauforter; Vrystater; Ceres Buggy; Wellingtoner; Pickstone’s Favourite; Voortrekker; Wanderer. The sanitary wagons were known as night wagons. There were also hearses and other vehicles used to provide public services. Wages of the wagonmaking undustry: 1885 - 7/6 per day , 1909 - 6/- to 10/- per day. By 1914 the decline of the wagonmaking industry was evident. The most important reason for this was the appearance of motor cars, trucks and tractors. During the 1920’s the wagon factories started closing, one by one. Paarl’s last wagonmaker was Harry Solomon who operated his business from 27 Main Street, from the 1940’s until 1974.> Wagonmakers, blacksmiths, farriers, wheelwrights, carpenters, painters, saddle-makers, harness-makers, coopers, turners, tanners, upholsterers. Some of the NAMES OF ARTISANS I found mentioned include: John du Plessis, P. du Plessis,D.J. du Plessis Moerats Kiampies J.C. Wahl; C. Wahl; C.J. Wahl; D.H. Wahl; Constant Wahl, C. sn; A.S. Brink; L. Brink , Jan Andreas PetrusBrink G.C. van Ellewee, G.C. Bonthuys; M.C.V. Thom; Michiel Thom; H.J. Havenga, A.J. Bester; Jan Phillips, B. Phillips; J.F. Phillips; Wheeler Zuidmeer J.H. Bernardi, C.C. Bernhardi Pieter B. de Ville; J.D. de Ville; J.D. de Ville, jr; P.B de Ville en Kie; P.B. de Ville, sr; P.B. de Ville, J.D. sn; J.H. de Villiers, Jan Jacobus de Villiers, S.W.A. de Villiers; A.T. de Viliers; O.T. de Villiers; I.J. de Villiers, O.T. sn; M. Smuts du Toit Moses Lurie Michael Krawitz Kaplan Roup J. Spangenberg; Johannes Petrus van Blerk Frans van Nierop; Johan Coenraad Waldpot; Gillian Johannes Wolfaart H.A.J. Basson; Jacob de Bot; Sybrand Johannes van der Spuy Jan Jacobus Anthon; C.J.F. Delvecchio Francis Hepburn; Joseph Verster; S.J. Verster B.G. Reyneke; B.J. Solomon; Hermanus Jacobus van der Spuy. Robert C. Allsop G.C. Keet J.F.B. Page; J. Rode; J. Blignault; Geo. Church; M H J Uys Wm. Gebhard; J. Genade; S.P. Jordaan; P.A. le Roux Melt Louw, T. Louw; G.J. Malherbe; G.W. v.d. L. Malherbe; J. Malan; A.J. Marais, J. Marais; F. Perold; J.P. Retief; F.J.P. Retief David Dennit Small; Jacobus Hendrik Theunissen Jacob Coenraad Johannes van Ellewee; H.A.W. van Niekerk; J.O. van Niekerk Jan Daniel Wannenburg B.B. Wilson; J. Woudberg W.L. Arnold; Jan Frederik Baartman, jr. Pieter Casper Bartman Paul F. de Kock P.A.J. de Roubaix; Gabriel Domingo, K. Domingo, Baderdien Domingo, Kiamodien Domingo Bazier Latief ,Abdol Latief J. Francke; J.E. Minnaar; P.C. Page I.A. Perold; A.J. Roome; R.J. Smith. C.G.E. Starke Johannes Jeremias Blignaut Henry Samuel Dickson Everhardus Jacobus Frick J Hendrik Durr P. de Kock M.F. Gibbons; Jan Boyes Jan Derksen Weintroub My apologies if some names were repeated Regards, Elva

Afternoon all Glad to see that the mailing lists are back to normal or is there another one that everyone has joined ?? In August the Cape Town Family History Society welcomes their guest speaker author Graham Dickason. For those of you who don't know him he is the author of Irish Settler's to the Cape and Cornish Immigrants to the Cape. This month's topic will be Irish Settlers to the Cape. Date: 21 August Time: 2:30 Place: Wynberg Boys High School. R7.00 for non members including tea and biscuits and members R3.00 for tea Please reserve your seats early as last month we had such a fantastic turn out we had to bring in extra chairs. Please book your seats by emailing me at:society@genealogy.co.za Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

Morning Listers This was sent to me yesterday and wondered if anyone can be of assistance here ? May I introduce myself, my name is Jim Miller and I am resident on the Isle of Bute Scotland. I am in the process of compiling a directory of Brandanes ( Natives of the Isle of Bute ) who over the centuries have migrated to other parts of the world. This directory will show the migrant, where they went to, on what ship, where they stayed in their adopted land, their life and times there, i.e.marriage, employment descendents ect,ect, I would be most obliged if you could pass this message onto your group members, and I would be glad to hear from anyone who has ancestors from the Isle of Bute. I would be most obliged for any help you can give to this request. with kind regards, Jim Miller brandanesofbute@yahoo.co.uk Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

Hello Lyn Welcome to the Cape Tow Mailing List. Do you have the exact date and church in which Joseph and Jane were married in Cape Town ? There have been a number of Ingram families settle in South Africa but you need to please be more specific ? kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Hamaty" <lynee@optusnet.com.au> To: <heather@genealogy.co.za> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] SURNAME INTERESTS-INGRAM Hello Heather, I am trying to trace JOSEPH INGRAM, who married JANE REED in Capetown 1857-1859. They had 5 children - all born in South Africa I think. SAMUEL JAMES, b1858 ;JOSEPH ALFRED b.1860;MARY JANE, b1862;SUSAN M, b1864; & THOMAS A, b1873. They migrated to Australia (1870'sI think). Joseph Snr was born in Aberdeen - not sure whether Scotland or South Africa. Jane was born in Cheshire. Haven't been able to trace their lives in South Africa. Regards, Lyn Hamaty (nee Ingram)

Afternoon all After being told by someone that the Three Cups in Rondebosch was named after Driekoppen which was the original name of Rondebosch. I have since found out that it is not the case but this is the gruesome reason why it was called Driekoppen.............................................. The display of bodies was also a prominent feature of sentencing. In fact, so keen were the authorities to bring the spectacle of execution to the citizenry that, as Botha (1970) tells us, two places of execution were established - one close to the western point of the Castle, and one overlooking the docks which was referred to as Gallows Hill. Sometimes executions were partly completed at one site, then finished at the other one. [p. 19]. In some cases, various totemic artifacts were displayed alongside the bodies of the guilty, as in the case which lies behind the original name for the land where Mowbray now stands - Driekoppen. In 1723 a burger Johannes Zacharias Beck, lessee of the wine and spirit license at Rondebosch, obtained for the purposes of putting up a tavern, a plot of land.[the] following year, a terrible murder was perpetrated at this tavern when three slaves cruelly did to death at night time two Europeans. The Court of Justice sentenced them as follows: Their limbs were to be broken without the coup de grace after which they were exposed on the wheel until death ensued, the one with and axe, the other with a knife and the third with a bludgeon above their heads. These were the instruments they had used in their dastardly act. They were then decapitated and the heads placed upon stakes near the spot where the crime had been committed.... [by] the older inhabitants of the Peninsula the origin of the 'Drie Koppen' is given as referring to this incident... [Botha, 1962, p. 281] Examination of cases such as these implies the following conclusion: punishment itself was not enough. The guilty parties had to be seen to suffer, and the suffering had to be in proportion to their crime. Even death did not deliver the victim from his or her function as a visible expression of VOC policy; hence, the display of bodies after executions, and the fact that mutilation and suspension were practiced on the bodies of suicide victims as well as criminals (Botha, 1962). Botha, C.G. 1962. History of Law, Medicine and Place Names in the Cape of Good Hope. Cape Town: Struik Ltd. interesting bit of fact. regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

Afternoon all Can anyone help me out with the Kidson / Parke connection please ? Ok here's how it goes. I found on NAAIRS a photograph of a A. Kidson1787-1843 daughter of J.Parke and settler. Who was J. Parke and who was the Settler ? Is he the Joseph Parke born in 1780 below ? could not be as the girl above J. Kidson was born in 1787 I then have come across a Fenning Parke Kidson whose death notice was lodged in 1857 - below there is a Samuel Fenning Parke who as far as I am aware never came to South Africa. His Brother William did and he lived in Grahamstown for a while and then moved to Cape Town where he owned the Parkes Hotel which then became the Grand Hotel. His Daughter Mary married Capt. Sedgwick who founded James Sedgwick and Company, wholesale wine and spirit Merchants. Does anyone know know of any other PARKE related families that were here in the early 1800's ? The other Parke connection I have is that of Samuel Parke Osborne also spirit and wine dealer of Cape Town who married Hannah Cressy. Samuel Parke Osborne mother was a Mary Anne Parke but from where ? Samuel Parke. I am sure that these Parke families are related. William Cressy born in October 1810 was the brother of Hannah Cressy and was first referenced in 1839 as having a liqour store in Heerengracht Street, Cape Town. In 1844 he requested that his liquor licence be altered to be used at "The Three Cups" in Rondebosch. One of the residences at UCT is called Driekoppen. He then reappears in Harrington, Street, Bree and Waterkant and eventually dies at the Red Lion. William's other sister Mary married Michael Mann who was also a publican, brewer and liquor dealer in Cape Town in Cape Town. Michael Mann also lived in Rondebosch and sold his land called "Zorvliet" to Cecil John Rhodes. Michael was found lying drunk in the streets of Cape Town on 12 August 1855 If any one has any contacts to these families I would love to hear from you Descendants of William Joseph Parke 1 William Joseph PARKE Born: Abt. 27 November 1742 in Stoke by Nayland, Suffolk, England Baptism: 27 November 1742 Stoke by Nayland, Suffolk, England Died: 03 September 1821 in Saffron Walden .. +Elizabeth TOLLEMACHE ... 2 Margarett PARKE Born: Abt. January 1774 in Stoke by Nayland, Suffolk, England Baptism: 16 January 1774 Stoke by Nayland, Suffolk, England ... 2 Samuel Fenning PARKE Born: Abt. June 1776 in Stoke by Nayland, Suffolk, England Baptism: 04 June 1776 Stoke by Nayland, Suffolk, England ... 2 Elizabeth PARKE Born: Abt. December 1777 in Stoke by Nayland, Suffolk, England Baptism: 05 December 1777 Stoke by Nayland, Suffolk, England ... 2 Joseph PARKE Born: Abt. October 1780 in Stoke by Nayland, Suffolk, England Baptism: 03 October 1780 Stoke by Nayland, Suffolk, England ... 2 William Tollemache PARKE Born: 19 May 1790 in Saffron Walden, Essex Died: 01 February 1851 in Cape Town Burial: St. Pauls Cemetery, Rondebosch, Cape ....... +Elizabeth BUSH Born: 11 December 1790 in Essex, England Died: 13 December 1881 in Cape Town Burial: St. Pauls Cemetery, Rondebosch, Cape ......... 3 Mary Bush PARKE ............. +Capt. James SEDGWICK ......... 3 Elizabeth PARKE ............. +John TYARS ......... 3 Anne Buncher PARKE ............. +Henry WILSON ......... 3 Sarah Schrive PARKE ............. +Captain DARE ......... 3 Eliza Lake PARKE ............. +William Walker BALL ......... 3 Lydia PARKE ............. +John Philipson STOWE the descendants of all these children have not been added yet as I only discovered this family link this morning Descendants of Richard Cressey 1 Richard CRESSEY Born: in England Occupation: Labourer .. +MARY ... 2 Mary CRESSY Born: 1815 in Marylebone, London, England Baptism: 16 June 1816 Bermondsey, St. Johns Horsleydowns London Occupation: servant ....... +Michael MANN Born: 1816 in England Died: 04 June 1887 in Cape Town Occupation: Publican & Brewer ......... 3 Henry William MANN Born: 1837 in London Died: 22 December 1900 in His residence The Elms in Rondebosch Burial: 24 December 1900 Occupation: Landed Proprietor Reference:: MOOC ref: 4637 Cape Town Archives ............. +Sophia LANE Born: 1842 Died: 25 March 1896 in Rondebosch Burial: St. Pauls Rondebosch ......... 3 Hannah Maria MANN Born: 13 November 1839 in 2 Molineux Street, Marylebone, London, England Baptism: 13 November 1839 Died: 1890 in Cape Town ............. +Thomas EVANS Born: 1836 in Wrexham, Denbigh, Wales Occupation: Fireman at Gasworks ... 2 Hannah CRESSEY Born: 1825 in Suffolk England Died: 16 July 1898 in Observatory Road Cape Town. Signed by H.W. Mann (nephew) ....... +Samuel Parke OSBORNE Born: 13 February 1829 in London Baptism: 13 December 1846 St. Dunstans, Stepney, London Died: 19 December 1870 Burial: Somerset Road Cemetery, Green Point Occupation: Canteen Keeper ......... 3 Eleanor Angeleanor OSBORNE Born: 1852 in Worthing, London Died: 12 September 1913 in Rondebosch Cottage Hospital Rondebosch Reference:: Births Free BMD ............. +Herman August Wilhelm GENTZ Born: 1838 in Germany Died: 19 December 1896 in Observatory Road Cape Town ......... 3 Selina Ann OSBORNE Born: January 1855 in London, England Died: 08 December 1929 in 20 Strubens Rd, Mowbray ............. +John MARTIN Occupation: Engineer in 1929 ... 2 William CRESSY Born: 21 October 1810 Died: 08 September 1874 ....... +Christina Antonetta NOTHLING Died: 15 February 1893 Burial: St. Peter's Observatory ......... 3 William James CRESSY Born: 1843 in Wynberg Died: 18 February 1875 in The Red Lion, Cape Town ............. +Johanna Fredericke RORICH ... 2 Elizabeth CRESSY kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

Morning All After doing some simple digging and delving as well as some great help from a brand new cousin in Gauteng who we discovered by chance that our great great great grandparents where brother and sister and these two siblings arrived twenty years apart in Cape Town. Has any one have any connections with the PARKE Family ? SEDG WICK Captain James Sedgwick, father of Arnold Wilhelm Spilhaus's wife, and founder of the Cape family of Sedgwick, was descended from the Sedgwick's of Dent in the West Riding of Yorkshire, where the family had been identified with the district for several centuries. An account of the family will be found in the Life and Letters of Professor Adam Sedgwick, Fellow of Trinity College, Cambridge. Professor Adam was also of Dent, and cousin to Captain James. Professor Adam Sedgwick, junior, nephew of Professor Adam, senior, visited the Cape in the last generation, bent upon scientific enquiry. The son of Professor Adam, junior, Mr. Romney Sedgwick, recently held office as Deputy High Commissioner in the Union of South Africa for His Majesty's Government. Captain James was one of a large number of brothers and sisters. Three of his brothers also made some mark. Thomas, in the service of the Honourable East India Company, died in Bombay at the age of 28, "but not before he had earned the thanks of the Honourable Company for his services in promoting the growth of mulberry trees, and thus encouraging the production of silk." Charles went to Boston, U.S.A., where his descendants still live, and became prominent in the journalistic world. William entered the medical profession, and was a medical student at the then new University College Hospital where, by the particular desire of the great surgeon Lister, he was appointed Lister's dresser, and as such assisted him at the first operation in London performed under anaesthetics, December 21st, 1846. As a result of impaired health he made several voyages to the East, via the Cape, as surgeon to the troops. It gave him the opportunity of studying cholera in its worst forms, and when ! in 1854 London was visited by an epidemic of cholera he gave distinguished service. He made a number of important contributions to the medical literature of his day. After Captain James Sedwick had retired from sea and settled in Cape Town he founded the firm of James Sedgwick and Company, wholesale wine and spirit merchants. He was the author of The True Principle of the Laws of Storms and of Hints to Young Mariners. PARKE William Parke was the son of Joseph Parke, born 27.11.1742 Stoke by Nayland, and died 3.9.1821 Saffron Walden. Reg. Parish Churches; and of his wife Elizabeth daughter of John Talmash of New Place (formerly Gyppeswick Hall) Ipswich, who died 19.5.1777 aged 66. Reg. Parish Church Stoke by Nayland. The name Talmash is spelt variously Talmasb, Talmasch, Tollemache. The family has a tag: "Before the Normans to England came Bentley was my seat and Talmash my name." William Parke and his wife had, besides Mary Bush who married Captain James Sedgwick, five other daughters: Elizabeth - John Tyars, whose descendants live in the Union. Anne Buncher - Captain Henry Wilson of the Mercantile Marine. Sarah Shrive - Captain Dare of the Honbi. East India Company. As far as I know there are no descendants in the Union. Their daughter married Sir Thomas Jackson, Baronet, General Manager of the Hong Kong and Shanghai Bank. Eliza Lake - Captain William Walker Ball of the Honbl. East India Company. A pleasant account of her and of Captain Ball may be read in the Memoirs and Reminiscences of Sir John Kotze. Many of their descendants remain in the Union. Two of their daughters married overseas: Anne Elizabeth to Major Archibald Arbuthnot son of Sir William Arbuthnot, Bt., and of his wife Gertrude Sophia daughter of Viscount Gough. And Emily Lydia to Charles Francis Henry Spencer, grandson of Viscount Churchill. Lydia Hurst - John Philipson Stowe (uncle of the first baronet, who also married a Capetonian, Florence Henchman). They have descendants in the Union. William Parke and Elizabeth also had an only son, Joseph. He ran away, it was surmised to sea, and was not again heard of. When William Parke brought his family back to the Cape after the disaster at Grahamstown he had intended to take ship for England, his small capital having been expended. He was, however, persuaded to stay, and in order to make a livelihood he and his wife took in paying guests. This venture developed into their launching forth into the hotel trade, and they opened Parke's Hotel at the corner of Strand Street. This hotel became known in course of rime as the Grand Hotel, which still exists. An amusing story is told of William Parke, amusing at this long distance of time, but it gives some idea of the terror that prevailed in Grahamstown. His daughters were handsome young women, or rather girls, and it was brought to his ears that the Kaffir Chief then besieging the town had made it known that he would have his choice among them when he got into the town. William Parke ordered his six daughters to accompany him to the powder magazine where he made them kneel down in a row and swear to accompany him there again to be blown up with the magazine should the Kaftirs succeed in entering the town. Fortunately this histrionic effort proved to be unnecessary. The Cressy's were renowned for being hotel keepers, inn keepers, publicans and off course the great find of my gg grandfather drunk in adderley street and the Cressy's and the Parke family were related If anyone has any information on the PARKE family from Grahamstown, Richmond or Cape Town area - would love to hear from you. Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

Hi, Is there anybody that can do 2 lookups in the Transvaal archives for me. Document 1 Depot: TAB Source: MHG Type: LEER Volume: 0 System: 01 Ref 13191 Part: 1 Description:Speck,Clara Natalie Georgina.(born Hunt) Start/End: 1908 Remarks:Surviving spouse Frederick Speck Document 2 Depot: TAB Source: WLD Type: LEER Volume: 5/368 System: 01 Ref 239/1921 Part: 1 Description:Ex Parte Application.Walter Henry Speck and Rosa Emily Speck Start/End: 1921 Remarks Thank You , JOHN SPECK. jspeck@lantic.net

At our family reunion we displayed the signatures of the ancestors in chronological order and then added a space for each family member present to sign their name. We now have a wonderful register of family signatures. As far as the street address' are concerned, it is amazing to find members of two families whose descendants have married, living a few houses apart in the 'early' days. Coincidence?? Regards Fay -----Original Message----- From: Elva Hanly [mailto:theaviary@bigpond.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 4:44 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Old Signatures (and Old Street Addresses) Hi all, I agree with Heather's very clever suggestion. This is where digital photographs of Archive documents are very handy if they are clear enough. As I do not have many 'old photos' of grandparents etc. I found the signatures to be the next best thing. As I have always been fascinated with handwriting this is also of great interest to me, and I have already started a small collection of signatures which I stare at sometimes to try and imagine the personality of my ancestor. Even the occasional "X" is interesting! Another pastime of mine is finding the street address, finding the exact location in the Cape Town Street Directory (sometimes street names have changed). I then scan the area and save in a folder for that particular family member. Who knows one day I may even get to visit all these spots, the old stomping grounds of my ancestors. The practice of housenaming is also interesting. I wonder if other Listers have any other suggestions to make our research more interesting??? Regards, Elva > X-Message: #3 > Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:45:38 +0200 > From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@ancestors.co.za> > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <071701c46e79$06e510b0$650aa8c0@heatherpc> > Subject: Old Signatures > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Everyone > > A friend of mine recently showed me a fascinating and different way of > depicting the similarities of your family instead of using photographs. > > Find signatures of all your ancestors from old death notices, wills, > estates, cheques, inside of old books, autograph books, marriage > certificates, baptisms, anything . > > Scan in each one individually and paste them into MS Word. Then type in > the > name of the person and the year in which the signature came from. > Putting > them in order of age or generation. > I did mine and it was amazing. First of all I realized that some of my > family could actually write in the 1700's. The I started to notice the > similarity in some of the handwritings for example my great great > grandfather and then his great great grandson - it was frightening !!! > > The next time you go and visit some relatives take along a book with > blank > pages (or better invest in an autograph book - they still do sell them) > and > ask everyone to sign the book. Perhaps we could renew the old phase of > autograph books - they are still great sources of information for > families. > > > Kind regards > Heather > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Afternoon all If anyone has been having problems getting into www.genealogy.co.za - apologise. I woke up this morning to find that my web site had been "hacked" so please everyone be very wary. My guest book was black - saying the Black Scorpion had hacked into my site - it condemned Christians and Jews and had the most fowl language I had ever seen. There was also a pair of satanic eyes staring at me as well - extremely frightening and a very sad case indeed. Much of my guest book was destroyed. Some of my other web pages are not running 100% so please be patient whilst it is sorted out. By the way it is not contagious. kind thanks Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

Hi all, I agree with Heather's very clever suggestion. This is where digital photographs of Archive documents are very handy if they are clear enough. As I do not have many 'old photos' of grandparents etc. I found the signatures to be the next best thing. As I have always been fascinated with handwriting this is also of great interest to me, and I have already started a small collection of signatures which I stare at sometimes to try and imagine the personality of my ancestor. Even the occasional "X" is interesting! Another pastime of mine is finding the street address, finding the exact location in the Cape Town Street Directory (sometimes street names have changed). I then scan the area and save in a folder for that particular family member. Who knows one day I may even get to visit all these spots, the old stomping grounds of my ancestors. The practice of housenaming is also interesting. I wonder if other Listers have any other suggestions to make our research more interesting??? Regards, Elva > X-Message: #3 > Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:45:38 +0200 > From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@ancestors.co.za> > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <071701c46e79$06e510b0$650aa8c0@heatherpc> > Subject: Old Signatures > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Everyone > > A friend of mine recently showed me a fascinating and different way of > depicting the similarities of your family instead of using photographs. > > Find signatures of all your ancestors from old death notices, wills, > estates, cheques, inside of old books, autograph books, marriage > certificates, baptisms, anything . > > Scan in each one individually and paste them into MS Word. Then type in > the > name of the person and the year in which the signature came from. > Putting > them in order of age or generation. > I did mine and it was amazing. First of all I realized that some of my > family could actually write in the 1700's. The I started to notice the > similarity in some of the handwritings for example my great great > grandfather and then his great great grandson - it was frightening !!! > > The next time you go and visit some relatives take along a book with > blank > pages (or better invest in an autograph book - they still do sell them) > and > ask everyone to sign the book. Perhaps we could renew the old phase of > autograph books - they are still great sources of information for > families. > > > Kind regards > Heather > > >

Hello Elva Your idea of the Street Directory is great - I looked at every Cape Almanac from the year I thought my ancestors arrived and have mapped out exactly how they moved around- I certainly must have gypsy blood in me as almost every year they moved. This also gives a wonder idea of who lived in the house next door - sometimes these clues are crucial to witness's in death notices and estate papers and definitely worth following up. thanks for reminding me of that tip kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elva Hanly" <theaviary@bigpond.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 4:43 AM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Old Signatures (and Old Street Addresses) > Hi all, > > I agree with Heather's very clever suggestion. This is where digital > photographs of Archive documents are very handy if they are clear > enough. As I do not have many 'old photos' of grandparents etc. I found > the signatures to be the next best thing. As I have always been > fascinated with handwriting this is also of great interest to me, and I > have already started a small collection of signatures which I stare at > sometimes to try and imagine the personality of my ancestor. Even the > occasional "X" is interesting! > > Another pastime of mine is finding the street address, finding the exact > location in the Cape Town Street Directory (sometimes street names have > changed). I then scan the area and save in a folder for that particular > family member. Who knows one day I may even get to visit all these > spots, the old stomping grounds of my ancestors. The practice of > housenaming is also interesting. > > I wonder if other Listers have any other suggestions to make our > research more interesting??? > > Regards, > > Elva > > > > > X-Message: #3 > > Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:45:38 +0200 > > From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@ancestors.co.za> > > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <071701c46e79$06e510b0$650aa8c0@heatherpc> > > Subject: Old Signatures > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hello Everyone > > > > A friend of mine recently showed me a fascinating and different way of > > depicting the similarities of your family instead of using photographs. > > > > Find signatures of all your ancestors from old death notices, wills, > > estates, cheques, inside of old books, autograph books, marriage > > certificates, baptisms, anything . > > > > Scan in each one individually and paste them into MS Word. Then type in > > the > > name of the person and the year in which the signature came from. > > Putting > > them in order of age or generation. > > I did mine and it was amazing. First of all I realized that some of my > > family could actually write in the 1700's. The I started to notice the > > similarity in some of the handwritings for example my great great > > grandfather and then his great great grandson - it was frightening !!! > > > > The next time you go and visit some relatives take along a book with > > blank > > pages (or better invest in an autograph book - they still do sell them) > > and > > ask everyone to sign the book. Perhaps we could renew the old phase of > > autograph books - they are still great sources of information for > > families. > > > > > > Kind regards > > Heather > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > www.genealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >