Hi Chandre Welcome to our mailing list. OK so you want to trace your family tree, be warned it is highly addictive and is a very powerful drug. You are lucky enough to have what I call "fresh bones" - you will have to make a trip to the Master of the Supreme Court in Parade Street, Cape Town. The Master's Office - Street Address: Parade Street, Cape Town. Opposite Wooltru House. This repository holds the Estate Papers of deceased persons from 1958 until present as well as Trusts. Also Insolvencies from 1986 onwards. You can search the indexes in the reading room, then make sure you have brought pen and paper with, and then you can proceed to the vault underneath the building where you will be handed the papers for your perusal. Be very wary as under normal circumstances will only let you have three estate papers per day. This office is open from 7.45 am until 1.0'clock on Mondays to Fridays. Tel 021-4108300. Park on the Grand Parade facing the City Hall - Parade street is the road to the left of the City Hall. Walk up one block - cross over to the right hand side of the road and it is the second building on your right after the barriers in the road - not even three minutes walk from the car park. You can then go into the main building and before you get to the counter there is a small passage and a room on the right hand side with a few ladies tying away on their computers. Ask one of them to look up the estate number on the computer - if she cannot help you go straight to the counter and ask the ladies there. Then ask them what room the estate will be in - they are kept in separate "groups" until the files are sent down to the vault underneath the building. Once you get to your correct destination you will be given a brown manila folder with "everything you need to know" - do take along pencil and a note book and if you have digital camera tuck it in your hand bag as the security chaps have a fetish for women with digital camera's for some unknown reason. In this folder there should be a death notice which "should" give details of parents, place of birth, age, ID number, place of marriage, marital status, spouse details, details on children and heirs etc, copy of ID book, will, liquidation and distribution account, tax certificates, newspaper clippings, burial details etc. Do let us know when you have been and if it was a success. kind regards Heather - wet and rainy, Lakeside Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za is soon due to be re-vamped and re-launched. This web site will have more content and more surprises.......please keep watching my home page for the latest announcements. Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm Join the Cape Town Mailing list at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ZAF/SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chandre De Wet" <chandre@tsf.org.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:06 PM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Hi from new member to this list. Hi there, I am Chandre De Wet, from the northern suburbs of Cape Town, and I am interested in tracking down my family roots, although this is now a bit overdue, as my gran(my main source of info) died in January this year... As an introductory e-mail I will put down all I know, but I can possibly get more info from my mother and aunts. My grandmother (Anne Young Clarke) was a coloured woman born in 1922,I think near Kakamus, Upington area. Although she has spent many years in Franschoek and Strand. Her grandfather was one of 2 white brothers from England,and His name was Jesse Clark. His brother married white, while he married a "baster vrou" as she put it... ( i am not too sure if the surname is Clarke or Clark). We do have a photograph of him, and a painting too,although no information is written on it. Hope you guys can help me. ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi there, I am Chandre De Wet, from the northern suburbs of Cape Town, and I am interested in tracking down my family roots, although this is now a bit overdue, as my gran(my main source of info) died in January this year... As an introductory e-mail I will put down all I know, but I can possibly get more info from my mother and aunts. My grandmother (Anne Young Clarke) was a coloured woman born in 1922,I think near Kakamus, Upington area. Although she has spent many years in Franschoek and Strand. Her grandfather was one of 2 white brothers from England,and His name was Jesse Clark. His brother married white, while he married a "baster vrou" as she put it... ( i am not too sure if the surname is Clarke or Clark). We do have a photograph of him, and a painting too,although no information is written on it. Hope you guys can help me.

Hi Heather and Members, As a new member [and very new to searching]I shall introduce myself-- my name is Dunia McMaster and I also live back in the Fairest Cape [although wet at the moment] after being a mother and farmers wife in Ladysmith, KZN for 24 years. My maternal grandfather was born in Paneveyzs, Lithuania, went to the UK then came to SA. My grandmother's side, which was German and French but not sure if they came out in 1820 or not. My father's grandfather also came out here from Russia, he landed in PE, went to Bloemfontein where he worked and later married. This is what I'd like to trace and do some searching, so hopefully some kind member will be able to help steer me in the right direction! So far the 'brick walls' don't want to open! So I am also desperate for help. Regards Dunia

Afternoon all please find part 2 ACKROYD Meaning: Oak-clearing. Adam, b. Bailden Green, nr. Leeds, 8.5.1836, d. Johannesburg 28.1.1899. Arr. 1870. M. Mary Dibb, b. 13.5.1843, d. 17.5.1917, fr. Otley, nr. Leeds, 1 c. ADAMS Meaning: Son of Adam. Thomas Price, b. ca. 1783. Fr. London. Wine merchant. Arr. 1820 on the Chapman with wife Mary, b. ca. 1790, 1 c. Thomas Charles Price, s.o. Thomas Price Adams and Mary Adams, d. 10.12.1859. M. Sara Erasmus, 4 c. ADAMSON Meaning: Son of Adam. David, m. Agnes Englands, b. Scotland, ca. 1819, d. Oudtshoorn 30.6.1873, 7 c. James Constantine, b. Cupar, Fife, Scotland, 23.1.1797, d. Green Point, Cape Town, 16.7.1875. S.o. Dr. Lawrence Adamson, Scottish Presbyterian minister and educationist, and Isa Robertson. M. Catharina H. Auret, 3 c. ADCOCK Meaning: Diminutive of Adam. Christopher, b. Leicestershire, ca. 1779, d. Port Elizabeth 13.11.1850. Tallow chandler. Arr. 1820 on the Northampton with wife Elizabeth, b. ca. 1791, 8 c. ADDEY Meaning: Pet form of Adam. John, fr. London, b. 9.5.1793, d. Wellington 3.10.1868. M. Cape Town 5.8.1821 Maria Rossouw, d. 17.5.1846, wid. D. B. Smit; rem. Cape Town 17.9.1846 Anna Rossouw, d. 19.10.1867, wid. J. F. Pentz, 1 c. ADDISON Meaning: Son of Addy. Friend, b. Addington, Kent, 30.12.1848, d. Durban 26.8.1925. S.o. Dr. W. H. Addison and Julia Hallowes. Arr. 1849 on the Wallah Rookh. Sugar pioneer, soldier and politician. M. Eliza A. Jackson, 6 c. ADLARD Meaning: Personal name: noble-hard. Thomas Brown, b. London, ca. 1834 d. Claremont, Cape Town, 30.11.1881. Bookprinter in George 1860. M. Oudtshoorn 27.12.1860 Cornelia W. C. Londt, b. ca. 1840, 4 c. ADLEM Meaning: Adelhem, noble protector. Thomas, b. Wiltshire, ca. 1800. S.o. Joseph Adlem and Martha Price. M. Uitenhage 2.7.1827 Wilhelmina J. Frits, b. ca. 1805, d.o. David Frits and Elsie E. Graaff, 8 c. kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za is soon due to be re-vamped and re-launched. This web site will have more content and more surprises.......please keep watching my home page for the latest announcements. Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm Join the Cape Town Mailing list at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ZAF/SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN.html

Hi Judy Thanks for that input - found it a bit odd from a man that was a devout and staunch catholic - but then strange things to happen in families. kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za is soon due to be re-vamped and re-launched. This web site will have more content and more surprises.......please keep watching my home page for the latest announcements. Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm Join the Cape Town Mailing list at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ZAF/SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "haldrup" <fhaldrup@cyberlink.bc.ca> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Birthday Book For interest's sake the February 16, 1852 (Praise ye the Lord) entry refers to Charles Taze Russell born in Alleghaney, Pa, USA, founder of the International Bible Students Association, forerunner of today's Jehovah's witnesses. Judy Haldrup > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

For interest's sake the February 16, 1852 (Praise ye the Lord) entry refers to Charles Taze Russell born in Alleghaney, Pa, USA, founder of the International Bible Students Association, forerunner of today's Jehovah's witnesses. Judy Haldrup >

Afternoon all from a very wet and rainy Cape Town This is part one of British Families in South Africa ABABRELTON* Meaning: Unidentified place name. Robert (Turtle), b. 1852. Secretary of Natal Land Board. M. 1874 Harriette K. Dodd; rem. 1907 Anna Strafford, 4 c. ABBOTT Meaning: Someone connected with the household of an abbott. Thomas, b. England, ca. 1825, d. Hopetown 16.1.1865. S.o. James and Mary Ann Abbott. M. Mary Ann Hill, d.o. Richard and Lydia Hill, b. Bristol, ca. 1824, d. Hopetown 4.4.1901, 6 c. ABEL Meaning: Son (Hebrew). Richard, b. England 12.5.1826. M. Elizabeth van Dyk, d.o. W. C. van Dyk, 7 c. ABERCROMBIE Meaning: Mouth of the crooked stream (place in Fife, Scotland). James, b. Edinburgh 26.10.1798, d. Rondebosch, Cape Town, 21.11.1870. Arr. 1817 with Moodie's party. Medical practitioner; Member of Legislative Council 1854-1858. M. Cape Town 26.11.1820 Magdalena Papas, d.o. Diederik Pallas, 4 c.; rem. Johanna S. Denneys, 1 c. ABERDEIN Meaning. From Aberdeen, Scotland. James, b. 4.7.1835. Fr. Glass, nr. Huntley, Scotland. M. 28.2.1862 Mary Milne, b. 30.5.1841, fr. Aboyne, Scotland, 9 c. ABRAHAM Meaning: Personal name, father of multitude (Hebrew). George, fr. Wales. S.o. William Abraham and Sarah Eggberry. M. 5.12.1868 Hester du Preez, wid. J. C. Scheepers, 3 c. ACKHURST Meaning: Oak farm. John, b. London 1824, d. Swellendam 28.10.1878. M. Swellendam 23.2.1846 Eliza Love, b. 1829, d. 1858; rem. Swellendam 4.2.1862 Helena van Eyck, b. 1841, 9 c. he following abbreviations are used in this book: arr. arrived b. born bapt. baptised c. children ca. circa distr. district div. divorced d.o. daughter of DRC Dutch Reformed Church fr. from illeg. illegitimate LMS London Missionary Society M. married nr. near orig. originally prob. probably q.v. quod vide (see) rem. remarried Rev. Reverend S.o. Son of v.d.K. van de Kaap wid. widow/widower of CG B. Burke's Colonial Gentry DB Debrett's Peerage FD A. C. Fox-Davies's Armorial families MB I. Mitford-Barberton and V. White's Some frontier families SA Sept arms which may be borne by anyone of the same sept or surname, according to Irish heraldic authorities. kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za is soon due to be re-vamped and re-launched. This web site will have more content and more surprises.......please keep watching my home page for the latest announcements. Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm Join the Cape Town Mailing list at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ZAF/SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN.html

Morning All I was given some time ago a birthday book which belonged to my late great Uncle Arthur Woodland of Cape Town who played the piano in the Cape Town Symphony Orchestra and ran the music library at the South African Broadcasting Corporation in Cape Town in the I think between the 40's and the 60's. He was married to well know Italian opera singer and diva of Cape Town Albina Bini's sister Maragretha The following birthday entries appear in the book and nothing else. January 5 - Eileen Pentz 1921 January 9 - Doris Fourie born Ferguson 1918 January 21- Mrs. Joan Sinclair February 3 - Alexander Woodland 1886 born at 1.15 am and Louisa Yeomans born Harris our grandmother's wedding day February 6 - Angus Forbes 1957 February 10 - Avrial Woodland 1944 February 14 - Walter George Valentine Woodland 1901 born at 3.15 am February 16 - Charles Russsell 1852 Alleghauz ?? (Praise ye the Lord) February 17 - Brian Moore 1922 February 22 - Robert Lynch 1917 March 1 - Michael Hendricks 1943 March 3 - Jean Rogus March 7 - Margaret Hendricks 1944 and Arthur Hendricks 1921 March 13 - Theodora Bini March 25 - Antonio Paganini March 26 - Peter O'Dea 1919 March 29 - Jan Hugo 1956 March 31 - Hofmeyr April 3 - Andrew O' Dea 1921 April 8 - H Hawthorne 1919 April 9 - Edmund Hawthorn 1919 - twins and Neville Woodland 1945 April 11 - A Murrary 1921 May 13 - Frans Fourie 1909 husband of Doris May 15 - Francis Petersen May 17 - Eric Moore 1918 May 20 - Albert J Lowes May 22 - B Shaper or Shafer 1921 June 3 - Annie Muham June 17 - John Forbes 1921 June 25 - Robert Walsh 1918 June 27 - Hubert Lynch 1918 June 30 - Grace Woodland born Karg 1908 July 1 - Michael Fourie 1951 July 2 - Violet Florence Woodland (Mrs. Forbes) born 3.pm 1889 and Nellie Elizabeth Woodland in 1918 July 7 - Otto Stenger 1920 July 14 - Charlton Holwill, Frank Eugene Woodland born at 1.40 am in 1892 July 17 - George Alfred Elson 1914 July 31 - Raymond John Sinclair 1943 August 7 - Henry Sillifant 1921 August 8 - Robert Brian Fourie 1946 August 10 - Kenny Murray August 16 - Cecily Kisch August 19 - Margaret Edwards 1921 ? August 22 - Danie Hugo August 25 - Alice Mary Ferguson born Woodland in 1893 at 6.30 pm August 28 - Frank Puls 1920 September 2 - John De Freitas 1919 September 6 - Madame Harris and Jean Nicol September 11 - Patricia Penrith September 12 - Mrs Durr September 13 - Mrs Beck September 14 - Nico Muller September 15 - Arthur Bertram Woodland born at 2.15 in 1902 , Leumee Du Preez, Andrew Lotz 1902, Lorraine Woodland, Tim Kelly, Marlene Hargreaves 1935 September 19 - wee John Forbes 1951 September 22 - Shelagh Forbes 1955 September 26 - George Colley 1911 September 27 - Mr Barrett , Mrs Danna Hugo September 28 - Jack Woodland October 1 - Charles Woodland son of Charles Woodland October 2 - Charles William Woodland born 1890 at 5.pm October 7 - Lionel Arthur Woodland October 8 - Hannah Louisa Woodland born Yeomans in 1863 - mother October 9 - Jimmy Byrne October 11 - Charlie de Freitas and Arthur Bryington October 12 - Victor Beresford Woodland born 1896 at 1.45 pm , Mrs Ludwig October 20 - Francis Stenger 1921 October 22 - Margeuritha Cora Bini 1901 October 28 - Raymond Burrington Edwards 1916 November 2- Rev Father Cahill (Joseph Lawrence) 1901 November 4 - Brian Woodland 1958 November 6 - Richard Arthur Woodland 1863 - father November 7 - Morkel van Tonder, Mrs Hardick, Marita Daline Sinclair 1948 November 20 - Willi de Vos November 21 - Florence Crowley 1917 November 22 - Beatrice Louisa Woodland born Sunday morning at 4.55 am in 1898, Japie Hugo November 23 - T. Kenna 1922 November 25 - Gen Charles White (Twinkle Eyes) 1914 November 26 - Herbert Richard Woodland born at 5.30 pm in 1887 December 13 - Paul Fairbanks aged 24 in 1956 December 16 - Casper Venter December 22 - Pieter Venter December 25 - Mrs Ages Pentz born Kelly 1895 , Ethel Yeomans Slater December 27 - Cecil Puls 1918 December 29 - Rosamund Woodland December 30 - Francis Henrietta Fourie 1943 December 31 - Wallace Symington 1921 Hope this has either been of interest or use to someone kind regards Heather - cold wet and rain Cape Town Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za is soon due to be re-vamped and re-launched. This web site will have more content and more surprises.......please keep watching my home page for the latest announcements. Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm Join the Cape Town Mailing list at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ZAF/SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN.html

Here's my penny's worth...ancestors in Scotland last name PHILP, but before immigrating to SA, decided to anglicize the name by adding another "i" to become PHILIP. German WASSERMEIER to English WATERMEYER First names: (male) FRANCIS to FRANK - my g/father's name & this I only found out this past week! Regards Coral Anna -----Original Message----- From: Elva Hanly [mailto:theaviary@bigpond.com] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:31 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] FAMILY NAMES Variations Hello to all Listers, Very often we become stuck with a Family Name, sometimes our very own surname, and cannot find references when searching databases, church records and various lists. Many have discovered that for various reasons their surname had changed in spelling or pronunciation over the centuries, sometimes many times. Occasionally we find a baptism entry, marriage entry and death notice for the same person, but the name is recorded quite differently each time. There would be many reasons for this, ie. illiteracy (shock and horror at first but one gets over it), also Dutch, Huguenot and German names changed in spelling and then some names were anglicised. For the experienced genealogist living in South Africa, very often this is no problem. Many overseas listers with roots in SA are also familiar with the variations having lived and grown up there. However, there must be some younger listers who have never lived there and are at a total loss for clues which would help them with searches. Examples: FAMILY NAMES Villion - Viljoen Snyman - Snijman de Klerk - le Clerq NICKNAMES-PETNAMES Johanna - Jannetje Jacob/Jacobus - Japie Then there are instances in names with double letters where one is dropped. eg. Greeff - Greef Some surnames ending with "s" have an "e" added eg. Davids - Davidse, Abrahams/e, Jacobs/e And, one could go on and on............. Perhaps other Listers could contribute by listing just a few examples they have come across when doing their own searches. This will surely help us all when we don't know what else to try. Regards, Elva ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hello to all Listers, Very often we become stuck with a Family Name, sometimes our very own surname, and cannot find references when searching databases, church records and various lists. Many have discovered that for various reasons their surname had changed in spelling or pronunciation over the centuries, sometimes many times. Occasionally we find a baptism entry, marriage entry and death notice for the same person, but the name is recorded quite differently each time. There would be many reasons for this, ie. illiteracy (shock and horror at first but one gets over it), also Dutch, Huguenot and German names changed in spelling and then some names were anglicised. For the experienced genealogist living in South Africa, very often this is no problem. Many overseas listers with roots in SA are also familiar with the variations having lived and grown up there. However, there must be some younger listers who have never lived there and are at a total loss for clues which would help them with searches. Examples: FAMILY NAMES Villion - Viljoen Snyman - Snijman de Klerk - le Clerq NICKNAMES-PETNAMES Johanna - Jannetje Jacob/Jacobus - Japie Then there are instances in names with double letters where one is dropped. eg. Greeff - Greef Some surnames ending with "s" have an "e" added eg. Davids - Davidse, Abrahams/e, Jacobs/e And, one could go on and on............. Perhaps other Listers could contribute by listing just a few examples they have come across when doing their own searches. This will surely help us all when we don't know what else to try. Regards, Elva

Hello Coral The Cartwright's were quite a prominent family in Cape Town - if you would like anymore info on this family please don't hesitate to shout. kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za is soon due to be re-vamped and re-launched. This web site will have more content and more surprises.......please keep watching my home page for the latest announcements. Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm Join the Cape Town Mailing list at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ZAF/SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Foster, Coral A." <Coral.Anna.Foster@wwrc.virginia.gov> To: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@ancestors.co.za> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 5:56 PM Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] City club members Finale Heather: thanks for the information - now, I've never heard of James Stewart Cartwright!! Curiouser and curiouser! 1941 would definitely be within my kin's membership time, this is so neat, maybe I'm starting a whole new branch on the tree? totsiens Coral Anna -----Original Message----- From: Heather MacAlister [mailto:heather@ancestors.co.za] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 11:39 AM To: Cape Town Mailing List; Foster, Coral A. Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] City club members Finale Hello Coral The City Club members are listed by initials which are first and second names. J.S. Cartwright stands for James Stewart Cartwright. Below is the reference for his estate papers in the Cape Town Archives DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 6/9/7309 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 72519 PART 1 DESCRIPTION CARTWRIGHT, JAMES STEWART. ESTATE PAPERS. STARTING 19410000 ENDING 19410000 kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za is soon due to be re-vamped and re-launched. This web site will have more content and more surprises.......please keep watching my home page for the latest announcements. Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm Join the Cape Town Mailing list at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ZAF/SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Foster, Coral A." <Coral.Anna.Foster@wwrc.virginia.gov> To: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@ancestors.co.za> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:12 PM Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] City club members Finale Thanks Heather, exciting to see my paternal grandfather's name on the Country Members' part of the list. Having missed your earlier lists, I had thought of going into the archives, but hadn't considered the fact that they lived "out of town". Just one question, are they only listed by initials, or are their first/middle names recorded too? I know that F. E. Cartwright is Frank Edwin, but wondered about the J.S. Cartwright? I only know of a John Dean Cartwright, and can't think of who J.S. might be. We have such a rich & interesting heritage, and it gets more and more interesting as the research deepens. Have a good night and thanks for all your hard work. Coral Anna (Cartwright) Foster Mt. Solon, Virginia, U.S.A. -----Original Message----- From: Heather MacAlister [mailto:heather@ancestors.co.za] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 1:53 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] City club members Finale Evening All This is the last lot of City Club Members This is not in strict alphabetical order 1935 Tancred, A F 1935 Thomson, J N 1935, Turner, S 1935 Thesen, H W 1936 Thesen, O L 1899 Van der Byl, Col. Vollie (O.B.E.) 1912 Van der Horst, J G 1899 Van der Byl, V A 1919 Van der Byl, V A 1928 Viney, H Brankston (MC) 1937 Verster, C R 1903 Wenban, Percy 1914 White, Peter 1920 Wood, N S 1897 Wiener, F K 1920 Wiener, F K 1921 Wood, H W 1921 Waldron, Harold 1922 Walker, G Montgomery 1923 Waterson, S F (MP) 1924 White, S G 1930 Wale, S M 1932 Wiles, William 1932 Werdmuller, Geo. C G 1935 Ward, A D 1935 Willigen, V van der 1935 White, Kenneth 1935 Williamson, G E 1935 Wilson, C K 1935 Webster, Henry 1936 Wade B C 1936 Wright, R E 1937 Welch, R G 1934 Young, H O 1930 Zinn, E V 1935 Zwart, W J Country Members 1925 Abbott, C Willoughby 1935 Appleyard, A 1889 Bailey, Sir Abe (Bart) 1897 Bryant, A 1923 Bostock, Arthur 1931 Barnes, Geo J 1935 Bryant, W S 1916 Coggan, G H 1922 Cartwright, F E 1923 Cocksedge, L E 1928 Cockshutt, N M 1904 Duff, J A 1914 Duff, J A 1916 Dottridge, Hugh W 1923 De Villiers, Col. I P (MC) 1934 Dennison, A W 1934 Du Plessis, P J (MP) 1910 Engelenburg, Dr. F V 1933 Eales, Shirley (C.B.E.) 1921 Fraser, D S 1919 Guard, S J 1934 Guinness, F R 1935 Griffiths, Dr. H M 1916 Hallamore, L S 1916 Herd, Philip 1917 Harland, G R 1922 Herbert, SM 1931 Hattersley, D K 1920 James, P S 1919 Jardine, Major W 1935 Jansen, E G (MP) 1935 Jonsson, F L 1935 Jurgens, J T 1936 Joel, L G 1891 Kohler, C W H 1892 Lehman, W F 1911 Lindbergh, A V 1931 Long, W F 1932 Leuchars, Wilfred 1923 Millar, W A 1923 Marshall, Granville 1925 Muir, R 1928 Menzies, J J 1935 McClure, S 1937 McGregor, Gregor 1931 O'Brien, W J (MP) 1902 Pickstone, Harry E V 1902 Pickstone, Horace V 1904 Pegram, W G 1935 Pickles, W B 1938 Pask, Charles R 1903 Quinan, Kenneth B (C.H.) 1905 Rowe, Edward 1933 Rheinallt, Jones, Senator Hon. J.D. 1927 Shaw, D M 1930 Stallard, Col. C.F., KC., D.S.O., M.C., (MP) 1931 Sturrock, F Claude (MP) 1935 Stuttaford, J S 1917 Thomas, H Musson 1920 Thesen, C W 1920 Tilley, A C 1930 Tattersall, E N 1930 Visser, W J M (MP) 1926 Watson, Major W D P 1926 Whitehead, Chas 1931 Whytock, Senator Hon. Chas. 1935 Whiting, W R 1935 Woker, T 1937 Wilkins, A K Absentee Members 1937 Ayres, F E 1923 Banks, J 1925 Brawn, E M 1929 Bull, Morgan 1934 Bettis, F E 1912 Cartwright, J S 1923 Chilton, A C 1923 Chahill, H W 1934 Cotts, R C M Mitchell 1923 Davies, H Price 1917 Davies, D A 1916 Emmins, Harry 1917 Franceys, A L 1909 Gilchrist, S J 1918 Howden, A C 1919 Horner, H W 1925 Hockey, R C B 1928 Hiddingh, J E G 1929 Hoey, H G 1935 Hudson, R 1918 Jeffrey, John 1928 King, F E 1929 Knollys, The Rt. Hon the Viscount, D.F.C. 1919 Langton, Major, A V 1924 Lough, W P 1935 Leslie, P D 1922 Morton, H Newton (MC) 1923 McConnell, F C 1924 Nunnerley, J 1934 Nolan, J St. (CB) 1916 Penman, A T 1934 Palmer, H N 1902 Rowlands, H C 1931 Radcliffe, G H 1916 Simpson, H W 1929 Strong, Commander H 1897 Weil, Julius 1903 Weil, Samuel 1928 Wilson, E Graham 1918 Yuill, Wm. Consular Members 1934 Heasman, G R C 1935 Hegardt, N 1937 Denby, J O kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hello Coral The City Club members are listed by initials which are first and second names. J.S. Cartwright stands for James Stewart Cartwright. Below is the reference for his estate papers in the Cape Town Archives DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 6/9/7309 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 72519 PART 1 DESCRIPTION CARTWRIGHT, JAMES STEWART. ESTATE PAPERS. STARTING 19410000 ENDING 19410000 kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za is soon due to be re-vamped and re-launched. This web site will have more content and more surprises.......please keep watching my home page for the latest announcements. Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm Join the Cape Town Mailing list at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ZAF/SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Foster, Coral A." <Coral.Anna.Foster@wwrc.virginia.gov> To: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@ancestors.co.za> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:12 PM Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] City club members Finale Thanks Heather, exciting to see my paternal grandfather's name on the Country Members' part of the list. Having missed your earlier lists, I had thought of going into the archives, but hadn't considered the fact that they lived "out of town". Just one question, are they only listed by initials, or are their first/middle names recorded too? I know that F. E. Cartwright is Frank Edwin, but wondered about the J.S. Cartwright? I only know of a John Dean Cartwright, and can't think of who J.S. might be. We have such a rich & interesting heritage, and it gets more and more interesting as the research deepens. Have a good night and thanks for all your hard work. Coral Anna (Cartwright) Foster Mt. Solon, Virginia, U.S.A. -----Original Message----- From: Heather MacAlister [mailto:heather@ancestors.co.za] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 1:53 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] City club members Finale Evening All This is the last lot of City Club Members This is not in strict alphabetical order 1935 Tancred, A F 1935 Thomson, J N 1935, Turner, S 1935 Thesen, H W 1936 Thesen, O L 1899 Van der Byl, Col. Vollie (O.B.E.) 1912 Van der Horst, J G 1899 Van der Byl, V A 1919 Van der Byl, V A 1928 Viney, H Brankston (MC) 1937 Verster, C R 1903 Wenban, Percy 1914 White, Peter 1920 Wood, N S 1897 Wiener, F K 1920 Wiener, F K 1921 Wood, H W 1921 Waldron, Harold 1922 Walker, G Montgomery 1923 Waterson, S F (MP) 1924 White, S G 1930 Wale, S M 1932 Wiles, William 1932 Werdmuller, Geo. C G 1935 Ward, A D 1935 Willigen, V van der 1935 White, Kenneth 1935 Williamson, G E 1935 Wilson, C K 1935 Webster, Henry 1936 Wade B C 1936 Wright, R E 1937 Welch, R G 1934 Young, H O 1930 Zinn, E V 1935 Zwart, W J Country Members 1925 Abbott, C Willoughby 1935 Appleyard, A 1889 Bailey, Sir Abe (Bart) 1897 Bryant, A 1923 Bostock, Arthur 1931 Barnes, Geo J 1935 Bryant, W S 1916 Coggan, G H 1922 Cartwright, F E 1923 Cocksedge, L E 1928 Cockshutt, N M 1904 Duff, J A 1914 Duff, J A 1916 Dottridge, Hugh W 1923 De Villiers, Col. I P (MC) 1934 Dennison, A W 1934 Du Plessis, P J (MP) 1910 Engelenburg, Dr. F V 1933 Eales, Shirley (C.B.E.) 1921 Fraser, D S 1919 Guard, S J 1934 Guinness, F R 1935 Griffiths, Dr. H M 1916 Hallamore, L S 1916 Herd, Philip 1917 Harland, G R 1922 Herbert, SM 1931 Hattersley, D K 1920 James, P S 1919 Jardine, Major W 1935 Jansen, E G (MP) 1935 Jonsson, F L 1935 Jurgens, J T 1936 Joel, L G 1891 Kohler, C W H 1892 Lehman, W F 1911 Lindbergh, A V 1931 Long, W F 1932 Leuchars, Wilfred 1923 Millar, W A 1923 Marshall, Granville 1925 Muir, R 1928 Menzies, J J 1935 McClure, S 1937 McGregor, Gregor 1931 O'Brien, W J (MP) 1902 Pickstone, Harry E V 1902 Pickstone, Horace V 1904 Pegram, W G 1935 Pickles, W B 1938 Pask, Charles R 1903 Quinan, Kenneth B (C.H.) 1905 Rowe, Edward 1933 Rheinallt, Jones, Senator Hon. J.D. 1927 Shaw, D M 1930 Stallard, Col. C.F., KC., D.S.O., M.C., (MP) 1931 Sturrock, F Claude (MP) 1935 Stuttaford, J S 1917 Thomas, H Musson 1920 Thesen, C W 1920 Tilley, A C 1930 Tattersall, E N 1930 Visser, W J M (MP) 1926 Watson, Major W D P 1926 Whitehead, Chas 1931 Whytock, Senator Hon. Chas. 1935 Whiting, W R 1935 Woker, T 1937 Wilkins, A K Absentee Members 1937 Ayres, F E 1923 Banks, J 1925 Brawn, E M 1929 Bull, Morgan 1934 Bettis, F E 1912 Cartwright, J S 1923 Chilton, A C 1923 Chahill, H W 1934 Cotts, R C M Mitchell 1923 Davies, H Price 1917 Davies, D A 1916 Emmins, Harry 1917 Franceys, A L 1909 Gilchrist, S J 1918 Howden, A C 1919 Horner, H W 1925 Hockey, R C B 1928 Hiddingh, J E G 1929 Hoey, H G 1935 Hudson, R 1918 Jeffrey, John 1928 King, F E 1929 Knollys, The Rt. Hon the Viscount, D.F.C. 1919 Langton, Major, A V 1924 Lough, W P 1935 Leslie, P D 1922 Morton, H Newton (MC) 1923 McConnell, F C 1924 Nunnerley, J 1934 Nolan, J St. (CB) 1916 Penman, A T 1934 Palmer, H N 1902 Rowlands, H C 1931 Radcliffe, G H 1916 Simpson, H W 1929 Strong, Commander H 1897 Weil, Julius 1903 Weil, Samuel 1928 Wilson, E Graham 1918 Yuill, Wm. Consular Members 1934 Heasman, G R C 1935 Hegardt, N 1937 Denby, J O kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Wonderful Elva - thanks for the posting. Interesting information. Pretty sure that my g-father would have used their services as he farmed @ Lynedoch on Spier Estates. Coral Anna (Cartwright) Foster Mt. Solon, Virginia, USA -----Original Message----- From: Elva Hanly [mailto:theaviary@bigpond.com] Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 6:21 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Occupation: Wagomaker of Paarl Hello Listers, When I found that one of my ggfathers, his brothers and sons were wagonmakers,and they married daughters of coopers, farriers and saddle-makers of Paarl, I decided to search for some information about this industry. I received some very interesting history from various sources, too much to send in one message. However I also found names of artisans in the wagonmaking industry. If any of your names appear below I will be happy to do a lookup and provide more information about the person if possible. Please send your request directly to me (OFF LIST) and allow a couple of days for a reply as I have a day job. <Paarl’s wagon trade had its origin in a number of one-man workshops where the old craftsmen specialised in repairs. Then they began making wheels and harness, woodwork and axles. Droeriem was the quarter of Paarl where every backyard was devoted to some form of wagon-building. Some of the interesting names of especially the carts were: The Boston; Victoria; Jubilee; Java Spider; Doctor's Gig; Doctor's Comfort; Grasshopper; Beauforter; Vrystater; Ceres Buggy; Wellingtoner; Pickstone’s Favourite; Voortrekker; Wanderer. The sanitary wagons were known as night wagons. There were also hearses and other vehicles used to provide public services. Wages of the wagonmaking undustry: 1885 - 7/6 per day , 1909 - 6/- to 10/- per day. By 1914 the decline of the wagonmaking industry was evident. The most important reason for this was the appearance of motor cars, trucks and tractors. During the 1920’s the wagon factories started closing, one by one. Paarl’s last wagonmaker was Harry Solomon who operated his business from 27 Main Street, from the 1940’s until 1974.> Wagonmakers, blacksmiths, farriers, wheelwrights, carpenters, painters, saddle-makers, harness-makers, coopers, turners, tanners, upholsterers. Some of the NAMES OF ARTISANS I found mentioned include: John du Plessis, P. du Plessis,D.J. du Plessis Moerats Kiampies J.C. Wahl; C. Wahl; C.J. Wahl; D.H. Wahl; Constant Wahl, C. sn; A.S. Brink; L. Brink , Jan Andreas PetrusBrink G.C. van Ellewee, G.C. Bonthuys; M.C.V. Thom; Michiel Thom; H.J. Havenga, A.J. Bester; Jan Phillips, B. Phillips; J.F. Phillips; Wheeler Zuidmeer J.H. Bernardi, C.C. Bernhardi Pieter B. de Ville; J.D. de Ville; J.D. de Ville, jr; P.B de Ville en Kie; P.B. de Ville, sr; P.B. de Ville, J.D. sn; J.H. de Villiers, Jan Jacobus de Villiers, S.W.A. de Villiers; A.T. de Viliers; O.T. de Villiers; I.J. de Villiers, O.T. sn; M. Smuts du Toit Moses Lurie Michael Krawitz Kaplan Roup J. Spangenberg; Johannes Petrus van Blerk Frans van Nierop; Johan Coenraad Waldpot; Gillian Johannes Wolfaart H.A.J. Basson; Jacob de Bot; Sybrand Johannes van der Spuy Jan Jacobus Anthon; C.J.F. Delvecchio Francis Hepburn; Joseph Verster; S.J. Verster B.G. Reyneke; B.J. Solomon; Hermanus Jacobus van der Spuy. Robert C. Allsop G.C. Keet J.F.B. Page; J. Rode; J. Blignault; Geo. Church; M H J Uys Wm. Gebhard; J. Genade; S.P. Jordaan; P.A. le Roux Melt Louw, T. Louw; G.J. Malherbe; G.W. v.d. L. Malherbe; J. Malan; A.J. Marais, J. Marais; F. Perold; J.P. Retief; F.J.P. Retief David Dennit Small; Jacobus Hendrik Theunissen Jacob Coenraad Johannes van Ellewee; H.A.W. van Niekerk; J.O. van Niekerk Jan Daniel Wannenburg B.B. Wilson; J. Woudberg W.L. Arnold; Jan Frederik Baartman, jr. Pieter Casper Bartman Paul F. de Kock P.A.J. de Roubaix; Gabriel Domingo, K. Domingo, Baderdien Domingo, Kiamodien Domingo Bazier Latief ,Abdol Latief J. Francke; J.E. Minnaar; P.C. Page I.A. Perold; A.J. Roome; R.J. Smith. C.G.E. Starke Johannes Jeremias Blignaut Henry Samuel Dickson Everhardus Jacobus Frick J Hendrik Durr P. de Kock M.F. Gibbons; Jan Boyes Jan Derksen Weintroub My apologies if some names were repeated Regards, Elva ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Evening All This is the last lot of City Club Members This is not in strict alphabetical order 1935 Tancred, A F 1935 Thomson, J N 1935, Turner, S 1935 Thesen, H W 1936 Thesen, O L 1899 Van der Byl, Col. Vollie (O.B.E.) 1912 Van der Horst, J G 1899 Van der Byl, V A 1919 Van der Byl, V A 1928 Viney, H Brankston (MC) 1937 Verster, C R 1903 Wenban, Percy 1914 White, Peter 1920 Wood, N S 1897 Wiener, F K 1920 Wiener, F K 1921 Wood, H W 1921 Waldron, Harold 1922 Walker, G Montgomery 1923 Waterson, S F (MP) 1924 White, S G 1930 Wale, S M 1932 Wiles, William 1932 Werdmuller, Geo. C G 1935 Ward, A D 1935 Willigen, V van der 1935 White, Kenneth 1935 Williamson, G E 1935 Wilson, C K 1935 Webster, Henry 1936 Wade B C 1936 Wright, R E 1937 Welch, R G 1934 Young, H O 1930 Zinn, E V 1935 Zwart, W J Country Members 1925 Abbott, C Willoughby 1935 Appleyard, A 1889 Bailey, Sir Abe (Bart) 1897 Bryant, A 1923 Bostock, Arthur 1931 Barnes, Geo J 1935 Bryant, W S 1916 Coggan, G H 1922 Cartwright, F E 1923 Cocksedge, L E 1928 Cockshutt, N M 1904 Duff, J A 1914 Duff, J A 1916 Dottridge, Hugh W 1923 De Villiers, Col. I P (MC) 1934 Dennison, A W 1934 Du Plessis, P J (MP) 1910 Engelenburg, Dr. F V 1933 Eales, Shirley (C.B.E.) 1921 Fraser, D S 1919 Guard, S J 1934 Guinness, F R 1935 Griffiths, Dr. H M 1916 Hallamore, L S 1916 Herd, Philip 1917 Harland, G R 1922 Herbert, SM 1931 Hattersley, D K 1920 James, P S 1919 Jardine, Major W 1935 Jansen, E G (MP) 1935 Jonsson, F L 1935 Jurgens, J T 1936 Joel, L G 1891 Kohler, C W H 1892 Lehman, W F 1911 Lindbergh, A V 1931 Long, W F 1932 Leuchars, Wilfred 1923 Millar, W A 1923 Marshall, Granville 1925 Muir, R 1928 Menzies, J J 1935 McClure, S 1937 McGregor, Gregor 1931 O'Brien, W J (MP) 1902 Pickstone, Harry E V 1902 Pickstone, Horace V 1904 Pegram, W G 1935 Pickles, W B 1938 Pask, Charles R 1903 Quinan, Kenneth B (C.H.) 1905 Rowe, Edward 1933 Rheinallt, Jones, Senator Hon. J.D. 1927 Shaw, D M 1930 Stallard, Col. C.F., KC., D.S.O., M.C., (MP) 1931 Sturrock, F Claude (MP) 1935 Stuttaford, J S 1917 Thomas, H Musson 1920 Thesen, C W 1920 Tilley, A C 1930 Tattersall, E N 1930 Visser, W J M (MP) 1926 Watson, Major W D P 1926 Whitehead, Chas 1931 Whytock, Senator Hon. Chas. 1935 Whiting, W R 1935 Woker, T 1937 Wilkins, A K Absentee Members 1937 Ayres, F E 1923 Banks, J 1925 Brawn, E M 1929 Bull, Morgan 1934 Bettis, F E 1912 Cartwright, J S 1923 Chilton, A C 1923 Chahill, H W 1934 Cotts, R C M Mitchell 1923 Davies, H Price 1917 Davies, D A 1916 Emmins, Harry 1917 Franceys, A L 1909 Gilchrist, S J 1918 Howden, A C 1919 Horner, H W 1925 Hockey, R C B 1928 Hiddingh, J E G 1929 Hoey, H G 1935 Hudson, R 1918 Jeffrey, John 1928 King, F E 1929 Knollys, The Rt. Hon the Viscount, D.F.C. 1919 Langton, Major, A V 1924 Lough, W P 1935 Leslie, P D 1922 Morton, H Newton (MC) 1923 McConnell, F C 1924 Nunnerley, J 1934 Nolan, J St. (CB) 1916 Penman, A T 1934 Palmer, H N 1902 Rowlands, H C 1931 Radcliffe, G H 1916 Simpson, H W 1929 Strong, Commander H 1897 Weil, Julius 1903 Weil, Samuel 1928 Wilson, E Graham 1918 Yuill, Wm. Consular Members 1934 Heasman, G R C 1935 Hegardt, N 1937 Denby, J O kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

Good Day All Found the following regulation in a 1847 Government Gazette which made me think that we have things pretty easy these days :-) "The water in Church Street shall run free every evening from 9 until 4o'clock in the morning and from 12 to 2 o'clock in the afternoon of every day and the whole of Sundays. .....the Mill dam to be closed at 6 every evening and opened a 4 o'clock every morning and any person using the water thus to run free in both Church and Mill streets for the purpose of irrigating his or her garden shall incur a fine of not exceeding 3 pounds nor less than one pound sterling.....Every person who shall be found washing in the water courses or throwing filth into or near them or in any manner defiling the same shall on conviction incur a fine of not exceeding one pound nor less than 5 shillings sterling.......The places given out to wash are...to wit the Caledon (Baths) River and the Baths water above the Mill dam and except at those places and in the gardens no person shall be allowed to wash their linen or hang it out to dry on the outside of their garden hedges under a penalty of not e! xceeding two pounds nor less than 5 shillings sterling..." Wow ! So next time I load my automatic washing machine or hang my washing out on my twirly washing line I am not going to grumble so much!! regards Sharon Warr New PASSENGER LISTS the S St. Cleopatra 1852 and more at http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/DataArchive.htm SCRIBES PUBLISHING for Colonial Books on CD - visit http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/Scribes.htm

Sharon: It's me back again. I was just wondering if you are going to be able to find out anything for me about the family plaques @ Christ Church in Kenilworth? I really don't mean to be a bother, and I certainly don't want you to go out of your way. But, if you aren't able to do it, maybe you can point me in the right direction to get those copies or kiekies? The ministers are the time that we were attending church there were the Rev. Wakeling and latterly the Rev. Akehurst. Thanks very much Coral Anna Foster Mt. Solon, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Warr [mailto:snw@absamail.co.za] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:51 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Cape Town Water Regulations - nothing new? Good Day All Found the following regulation in a 1847 Government Gazette which made me think that we have things pretty easy these days :-) "The water in Church Street shall run free every evening from 9 until 4o'clock in the morning and from 12 to 2 o'clock in the afternoon of every day and the whole of Sundays. .....the Mill dam to be closed at 6 every evening and opened a 4 o'clock every morning and any person using the water thus to run free in both Church and Mill streets for the purpose of irrigating his or her garden shall incur a fine of not exceeding 3 pounds nor less than one pound sterling.....Every person who shall be found washing in the water courses or throwing filth into or near them or in any manner defiling the same shall on conviction incur a fine of not exceeding one pound nor less than 5 shillings sterling.......The places given out to wash are...to wit the Caledon (Baths) River and the Baths water above the Mill dam and except at those places and in the gardens no person shall be allowed to wash their linen or hang it out to dry on the outside of their garden hedges under a penalty of not e! xceeding two pounds nor less than 5 shillings sterling..." Wow ! So next time I load my automatic washing machine or hang my washing out on my twirly washing line I am not going to grumble so much!! regards Sharon Warr New PASSENGER LISTS the S St. Cleopatra 1852 and more at http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/DataArchive.htm SCRIBES PUBLISHING for Colonial Books on CD - visit http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/Scribes.htm ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Afternoon all Please find below part five of the City and Civils servants club not in strict alphabetical order 1922 Orpen, T.H.G. 1923 Oppenheimer, Sir Ernest, MP 1930 Oosthuizen, J du P. 1937 Ovenstone, A 1903 Price, Ralph S 1907 Payne, A N 1911 Philip, Hugh 1912 Parry, R H 1912 Pargiter, Geo S 1919 Palmer, Chas Sperrin 1921 Pay, Capt Francis G 1926 Parker, J N 1928 Paterson, GR 1928 Plantema, O 1930 Pyott, Dr Ernest 1933 Perry, J 1934 Port, H M 1934 Priestman, L 1935 Palmer, C H Sperrin 1927 Penny, E J P 1913 Radcliffe, E Stansfield 1914 Reiners, August 1916 Robertson, W K 1920 Risien, M E 1921 Rose-Innes, F G 1921 Rawson, W I S 1923 Rubbi, J 1923 Robinson, A W 1927 Reid, A B 1929 Ramsay, J L 1935 Robinson, A E 1938 Ratcliffe, D Stansfield 1892 Stuttaford, Hon R, MP 1897 Silberbauer, C C 1898 Smuts, Martin E 1899 Spilhaus, C F 1906 Stephan, Harry J C 1907 Simpson, Reginald 1913 Sibbett, Cecil J 1913 Smith, H Jasper 1915 Silberbauer, Dr S F 1916 Sandell, F C 1917 Sloman, L S 1918 Short, C L 1918 Shiel, J S 1919 Silberbauer, Ivan C 1919 Stansbury, C G 1920 Still, F M 1921 Spilhaus, L 1921 Smith, W H 1922 Shoosmith, R O 1923 Starck G H 1923 Swan R 1923 Saint, C F M (C.B.E.) K.C.M.G. 1926 Smith, Sir Chas G (K.C.M.G.) 1927 Spilhaus, Karl A 1930 Sales, D A 1932 Stuttaford, R B 1933 Salmon, C 1933 Small, E A 1934 Stephen, A F 1934 Spilhaus, G F 1935 Scott, Wm 1935 Serrurier, J D 1935 Simpson, A J A 1935 Slater A 1935 Smith, D H Y 1936 Simpson, A J 1937 Scott, G 1892 Thorne, W J 1903 Thomas, Dr Walwyn (O.B.E.) 1910 Thomas, E W McL 1918 Timberlake, J W 1918 Thesen, M T 1920 Thomas, E C (F.I.A.) 1929 Thorne, W E 1930 Taeuber, K more still to come Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

Morning All Please find below part 4 of the City and Civil servants club in Cape Town not in strict alphabetical order 1937 Hogg, T. A. Gordon 1937 Hughesdon, Major R. H.(m.c.) 1937 Harman, P. C. 1938 Holland, J. M. 1934 Ingle, A. C. 1935 Inglis, james 1919 Jones, H. Twentyman 1925 Jesse, H. A. 1928 Johnson, A. L. 1934 Justice, J. C. 1935 Joyce, G. L. 1936 Johnson, K. Chesterton 1937 Johnston, T. Owen 1919 } Jordan, R. D. P. 1938 Jordan, R D. P. 1919 Knight, Clifford M. 1925 Kramer, L. 1928 Keegan, E. R. 1929 Kirk, G. A. 1930 Knight, F. T. 1930 Knacke, F. W. 1935 Keeling, F. A. 1935 Kinlay, H. J. 1935 Knight, G. C. 1935 Kupper, F. F. G. 1936 Knox, Major G. E. 1906 Liddell, G. A. A. 1912 Low, J. D. 1902 Low, Wm. H. 1914 Low, Wm H 1917 Little, A. 1. 1917 Leibrandt, J. M. F. 1925 Leyds, G. A. 1929 Lewis, E. H. 1930 Lawrence, H. G., m.p. 1935 Labdon, H. G. 1935 Loverock, C. V. 1935 Low, A. B. 1936 Lunn, W. S. 1902 Marshall, Walter 1906 Malan Senator Rt. Hon. F. S. 1910 Myers, Philip 1914 McDonald, A. B. 1923 Monkhouse, C. C., B.A., F.I.A. 1925 Maclean, D. 1926 McGifford, Jas. 1927 Mushet, J. W. 1927 Morris, H. C. 1928 Marliere, D. C. de la 1929 McKinlay, W. N. 1929 Murray, E. E. 1929 Mills, R. C. A. 1929 Mills, R. P. 1929 McQuilton, 1. L. 1929 Morrell, F. 1931 McBlain, G. N. 1931 Macfarlane, J. M., O.B.E., F.F.A. 1932 Mills, A. S. 1933 MacCallum, A. m.p. 1935 Milne, J. D. 1935 Mulliner, C. A. 1936 Mayne, E. B. 1937 Michler, H. C. 1938 McMillan, P. 1938 McDonald, Dr. Robert 1938 Meredith, P. C. S. 1927 Nunnerley, M. T., m.c. 1932 Norris. C. C. 1914 North, A. J. 1933 North, A. J. 1922 Normand, R. W. 1934 Normand, R. W. 1936 Nuland, L. H. 1901 Orpen, Gerald kind regards Heather - from a cold wet and rainy Cape Town Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

Hello Mike, I found the site where I saw the references to KANNEMEYER, of which I mentioned in my last message. http://www.geocities.com/goodshepherdgrassypark/index.html -for contact Details (many Kannemeyers there) -Mr Fred Kannemeyer's first service in 1910 -his speech in 1962 -founders and workers of the mission -Photos of Catechists, RH Kannemeyer 1917-1935 and AA Kannemeyer 1935-1952 There is aso a history of Zeekoevlei and more photos. You can also do a search at NATIONAL ARCHIVES OF SOUTH AFRICA http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/ Database KAB for Cape Town Archives Repository If you just type KANNEMEYER in first line and click 'search' you will find 585 document references, but if you type MOOC in 2nd line (no backspacing or return) you will find 171 refs. for Death Notices and Estate Papers, excellent sources of Family History information. You can then request on the List for a look up of this doc at the archives, providing the Volume and reference no. A fellow lister living in Cape Town may be able to do this for you, or you can ask a professional Cape Researcher who will do the same for a small fee. Regards, Elva > Hi Mike, > > Welcome to the Cape List. > KANNEMEYER is a well known and respected family in the Wynberg district. > Although not related, I know of and met Mr and Mrs Kannemeyer (Albert, I > think is name was), about 24 years ago in Perth, Western Australia. We > all enjoyed a few evenings together chatting, eating and dancing. This > couple visited my parents who grew up around the same area. They were > involved in education and the local church. I have also noticed whilst > searching a directory, a school named after this family name, right next > to my ggfather's property. Also found a reference (1910) to Mr Fred > Kannemeyer of the Church of the Province, when I was searching for > church records. > > Also see http://www.stamouers.com/ for progenitor. > Names, occupations, dates and places would help. This is a very friendly > and helpful list. > > Regards, > Elva Hanly > Queensland, Australia >

Hi Mike, Elva and the List The St John's Anglican Church, Wynberg baptism registers have 5 children baptised to Peter Frederick and Magdalena Kannemeyer (all between 1899 and 1904) and one child to John and Wilhelmina Kannemeyer in 1879. There are also 9 Solomon baptisms between 1863 and 1904. Regards Sharon View 1800s SOUTH AFRICAN PASSENGER LISTS at http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/DataArchive.htm SCRIBES PUBLISHING for Colonial Books on CD - visit http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/Scribes.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elva Hanly" <theaviary@bigpond.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 2:58 AM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Re:New to the List > Hi Mike, > > Welcome to the Cape List. > KANNEMEYER is a well known and respected family in the Wynberg district. > Although not related, I know of and met Mr and Mrs Kannemeyer (Albert, I > think is name was), about 24 years ago in Perth, Western Australia. We > all enjoyed a few evenings together chatting, eating and dancing. This > couple visited my parents who grew up around the same area. They were > involved in education and the local church. I have also noticed whilst > searching a directory, a school named after this family name, right next > to my ggfather's property. Also found a reference (1910) to Mr Fred > Kannemeyer of the Church of the Province, when I was searching for > church records. > > Also see http://www.stamouers.com/ for progenitor. > Names, occupations, dates and places would help. This is a very friendly > and helpful list. > > Regards, > Elva Hanly > Queensland, Australia > > > > Good morning from Canada. My interests are Solomon's, Kannemeyers, and > > possibly Twynams or Twinams. I look forward to hearing from you. > > > > Regards, Mike (butlerm@mcmaster.ca ) > > > Can you please send to the list some more details regarding these > > surnames. > > We would love to see some first names, when they were born or died, who > > they married, where they lived, that there occupations were and how you > > are related. > > Look forward to seeing your continued and active participation on the > > list > > kind regards > > Heather > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > www.genealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >