Hi Listers I am new to this list and am interested in any info I can obtain on the SCOTT family of Robert SCOTT b. Tayport, Fifeshire . He was a bookseller in Long St. Cape Town. Robert was married to Ann Eliza STOCKLEY and they had the following children: 1. Louisa SCOTT 2. John SOTT 3. Sarah SCOTT 4. Elisa SCOTT 5. Robert SCOTT (my wife's Gf.) 6. William Dav SCOTT I have most of the info I need on Robert but would dearly to know what happened to his brothers and sisters and any of their families. Kind regards Colin Edwards I am also researching DICKS (1820's), EDWARDS (not 1820's), BOTHA --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.587 / Virus Database: 371 - Release Date: 12/02/04

Colin, Don't know if this helps but I'm looking into the family of Thomas Gardiner who was born in Cape Town in 1857 and then emigrated to the UK in the 1870s. I've discovered that Thomas somehow (still tbd) has a family link to another Gardiner, Walter Gardiner, who was born in Cape Town in 1895 and whose mother (maiden surname Scott) died during his birth. Walter appears to have been taken by his aunt to live with his maternal grandfather, also called Scott, on St Helena. This may all be totally off the wall but if any of it is of interest I'll try to get you the e-mail contact of my distant relative on St Helena who is also trying to find out more about her Scott relatives. Kind regards. John Gardiner ---Original Message----- From: cjedwards@xsinet.co.za [mailto:cjedwards@xsinet.co.za] Sent: 01 September 2004 16:50 To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] FROM COLIN EDWARDS Hi Listers I am new to this list and am interested in any info I can obtain on the SCOTT family of Robert SCOTT b. Tayport, Fifeshire . He was a bookseller in Long St. Cape Town. Robert was married to Ann Eliza STOCKLEY and they had the following children: 1. Louisa SCOTT 2. John SOTT 3. Sarah SCOTT 4. Elisa SCOTT 5. Robert SCOTT (my wife's Gf.) 6. William Dav SCOTT I have most of the info I need on Robert but would dearly to know what happened to his brothers and sisters and any of their families. Kind regards Colin Edwards I am also researching DICKS (1820's), EDWARDS (not 1820's), BOTHA --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.587 / Virus Database: 371 - Release Date: 12/02/04 ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Elva, Thanks so much for your kind thoughts. Yes, I am sure this is my husbands family, as ll the names tie up and the dates are right too. Petrus only had one brother younger than him and that was Daniel, but it is strange that he is not on this list with the rest of the family. I am going to forward you another Anthonie Christoffel Nortje family, that I got from a chap in South Africa, but the dates didn't tie up, but now I think it is all part of this family. What do you think?? I am sending it by seperate email - Subject: Nortje x Roach. Hope this finds you well. I am feeling much better today, we had a little Memorial Service for my Mum yesterday with work mates and friends and it was really lovely. They went to so much effort putting it all together in only one day. The people on Tamborine Mountain are really special. Take care, and thanks for all your help. Love Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elva Hanly" <theaviary@bigpond.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Re:Hi from New Member > Hi Carol, > > This looks like your husband's NORTJE family. > > a1 Nortje,Anthonie Christoffel *?? 1870 > × Roach,Susanna Maria Magdalena *?? 1870 > b1 Anthonie Christoffel Roach *27.10.1894 =Jansenville 20.01.1895 > b2 Susanna Margaretha *15.01.1900 =Jansenville 08. 04.1900 > b3 Magdalena Johanna *01.01.1902 =Jansenville 06.04. 1902 > b4 Wilfred *17.12.1903 =Jansenville 10.04.1904 > b5 James Johannes *10.01.1907 =Jansenville 21.04. 1907 : ouers van De > Rust > b6 Daniel Jacobus *30.06.1912 =Jansenville 01.12. 1912 > > Regards, > Elva > > > > > Hello Heather, > > Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Am enjoying your mailing > > lists. > > My name is Carol Nortje and I live in Queensland, Australia. I am > > trying to > > research my husbands side of the family. His father was Petrus > > Cornelius > > Nortje born 30 Sep 1908 in Jansenville, Cape Province and died in > > Johannesburg on 21 October 1963. We think his brothers names were > > Daniel; > > James; Anton; Wilfred; and also two sisters who died during a Flu > > epidemic > > between 1914 - 1918. We don't know the parents names but think his > > Mothers > > Maiden name was Roach and that she came to South Africa from Northern > > Ireland as a girl. I think there were quite a few Nortje relatives in > > Port > > Elizabeth and probably still are. Would really appreciate some help > > from > > someone out there. > > Kind regards, > > Carol > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Cape Town Family History Society > www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hello Carol Antonie Christoffel Ernst NORTJIE was born in Janssenville and Susannah Rhodes. There children were: Antonie Christoffel Ernst Lourens Wilfred James Susanna Johanna this info comes from SA Genealogies - I then went back one more generation and found another Antonie Nortjie also married to a Susannah Rhodes. I then checked out the ROACH and found this entry: Susannah ROACH born 14/11/1831 married abt 1854 to Antonie Christoffel Ernst NORTJIE and he was baptised on 15/5/1825 and he was the son of Johannes NORTJIE and Cornelia Aletta Rautenbach. Now Susannah father James Roach was born in Tipperary Ireland on 18/11/1790 and arrived in South Africa in 1819 as a soldier of the Royal African Corps. He was also a farmer on 'Alewynsfontein" in Jansenville. He was the son of Lourence Roach and Maria Roach. James married Anna Sophia FRITS (born 13/9/1806 and bapt. 18/10/1807 Graaf Reniet) he died on 5/7/1859 and she died around 1870. She was the daughter of David Frits and Elsje Elizabeth GRAAF. Hope this has added a few more branches to the tree. Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za is soon due to be re-vamped and re-launched. This web site will have more content and more surprises.......please keep watching my home page for the latest announcements. Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm Join the Cape Town Mailing list at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ZAF/SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nortje" <caroln@iprimus.com.au> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Re:Hi from New Member Hi Elva, Thanks so much for your kind thoughts. Yes, I am sure this is my husbands family, as ll the names tie up and the dates are right too. Petrus only had one brother younger than him and that was Daniel, but it is strange that he is not on this list with the rest of the family. I am going to forward you another Anthonie Christoffel Nortje family, that I got from a chap in South Africa, but the dates didn't tie up, but now I think it is all part of this family. What do you think?? I am sending it by seperate email - Subject: Nortje x Roach. Hope this finds you well. I am feeling much better today, we had a little Memorial Service for my Mum yesterday with work mates and friends and it was really lovely. They went to so much effort putting it all together in only one day. The people on Tamborine Mountain are really special. Take care, and thanks for all your help. Love Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elva Hanly" <theaviary@bigpond.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Re:Hi from New Member > Hi Carol, > > This looks like your husband's NORTJE family. > > a1 Nortje,Anthonie Christoffel *?? 1870 > × Roach,Susanna Maria Magdalena *?? 1870 > b1 Anthonie Christoffel Roach *27.10.1894 =Jansenville 20.01.1895 > b2 Susanna Margaretha *15.01.1900 =Jansenville 08. 04.1900 > b3 Magdalena Johanna *01.01.1902 =Jansenville 06.04. 1902 > b4 Wilfred *17.12.1903 =Jansenville 10.04.1904 > b5 James Johannes *10.01.1907 =Jansenville 21.04. 1907 : ouers van De > Rust > b6 Daniel Jacobus *30.06.1912 =Jansenville 01.12. 1912 > > Regards, > Elva > > > > > Hello Heather, > > Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Am enjoying your mailing > > lists. > > My name is Carol Nortje and I live in Queensland, Australia. I am > > trying to > > research my husbands side of the family. His father was Petrus > > Cornelius > > Nortje born 30 Sep 1908 in Jansenville, Cape Province and died in > > Johannesburg on 21 October 1963. We think his brothers names were > > Daniel; > > James; Anton; Wilfred; and also two sisters who died during a Flu > > epidemic > > between 1914 - 1918. We don't know the parents names but think his > > Mothers > > Maiden name was Roach and that she came to South Africa from Northern > > Ireland as a girl. I think there were quite a few Nortje relatives in > > Port > > Elizabeth and probably still are. Would really appreciate some help > > from > > someone out there. > > Kind regards, > > Carol > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Cape Town Family History Society > www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Samuel Alfred Riddle emigrated to South Africa ca 1880. Married Janet Lesar at St Mary's Cape Town catholic church on the 18 May 1880. Occupation stonecutter.parents of Sameul m Elizabeth Riddle nee Flanigan f John Riddle of Southampton as at 18 May 1880. Parents of Janet Lesar f Isaac Lesar m Janet Tichy. Sameul b Ireland Sameul must have married again in 1892 as wife on births stated Eva Thomas born Cape Colony.He appears to have had quite a few wives which has still to be proven. Children of Sameul :Annie Elizabeth Eva Gomes nee Riddle born Stellenbosch who had a boarding house in Durban,Mary Rose Lemensich nee Riddle b 08/08/1893,Esther Christina Bowers nee Riddle b 15/08/1905 d 08/01/1947,Martha Jacoba Manuel nee Riddle b 03/05/1900 d 08/03/1940,Samuel Riddle twin b 15/08/1905.Ther were 2 sons deceased in 1895.Unamed child born 30/07/1895.,male. Sameul was employed by the Table Bay Harbour Board on the 06 September 1880 and was retrenched from this employment on the 31 August 1906,aged 52,with 5 motherless children the eldest 12. He seemed to have lived most of his natural life in Woodstock,namely Strand Street Woodstock,Lennox Street Woodstock and lived at Albion Road Rondebosch where he died. Still trying to find when Sameul Arrived in South Africa and his date of birth and also when he died. families researching SCOTT RIDDLE FIVAZ BOWERS STEPHENS LEMENSICH LESAR SCHOONRAAD DAVIES MANUEL REDMAN All belonging to the same family tree

Hi Carol, This looks like your husband's NORTJE family. a1 Nortje,Anthonie Christoffel *?? 1870 × Roach,Susanna Maria Magdalena *?? 1870 b1 Anthonie Christoffel Roach *27.10.1894 =Jansenville 20.01.1895 b2 Susanna Margaretha *15.01.1900 =Jansenville 08. 04.1900 b3 Magdalena Johanna *01.01.1902 =Jansenville 06.04. 1902 b4 Wilfred *17.12.1903 =Jansenville 10.04.1904 b5 James Johannes *10.01.1907 =Jansenville 21.04. 1907 : ouers van De Rust b6 Daniel Jacobus *30.06.1912 =Jansenville 01.12. 1912 Regards, Elva > Hello Heather, > Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Am enjoying your mailing > lists. > My name is Carol Nortje and I live in Queensland, Australia. I am > trying to > research my husbands side of the family. His father was Petrus > Cornelius > Nortje born 30 Sep 1908 in Jansenville, Cape Province and died in > Johannesburg on 21 October 1963. We think his brothers names were > Daniel; > James; Anton; Wilfred; and also two sisters who died during a Flu > epidemic > between 1914 - 1918. We don't know the parents names but think his > Mothers > Maiden name was Roach and that she came to South Africa from Northern > Ireland as a girl. I think there were quite a few Nortje relatives in > Port > Elizabeth and probably still are. Would really appreciate some help > from > someone out there. > Kind regards, > Carol

Hi Derek Here is the details for the Military Archives: Military & Personnel Archives Documentation Centre - the Documentation Centre of the Department of Defence houses local military archives and personnel records dating from 1912 when the Union Defence Force was formed until present day. This also includes military personnel files, record cards and medical files of volunteers that fought in the First World War (1914-18) and the Second World War (1939-45). The Documentation Centre offers an enquiry and research facility to the general public and military personnel. Genealogical related enquiries should be forwarded to the following postal address: The Deputy Director, Documentation Centre (Personnel Archives) Private Bag X289, Pretoria 001. Fax: 027-12-323561. This office does not maintain a web site or the facilities to answer enquiries by email. Standard charges for photo-copies are 60 cents per A4 sheet. It is important to note that archives and records older than fifty years are not permitted to be copied. The issuing of service records or other general requests are usually dealt with within three weeks. kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za is soon due to be re-vamped and re-launched. This web site will have more content and more surprises.......please keep watching my home page for the latest announcements. Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm Join the Cape Town Mailing list at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ZAF/SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Cheifitz" <pcheiftz@global.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:59 AM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] RE: Kimberley Regiment Hi Derrick, I would suggest contacting the Military Archives in Pretoria who have all the records of South African soldiers who fought in the two World Wars. Each Service Record shows exactly where the soldier and regiment were deployed giving dates of deployment and other details such as conduct and illnesses. These records should give you a very good idea of your grandfather's movements. The staff at this Archive are extremely helpful but there is a limit to the research that they will perform on your behalf. I can, however, refer you to a researcher who specializes in these records. Wishing you much success with your further research, Paul Cheifitz > From: roan_luan@yahoo.co.uk > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Kimberley Regiment > > My grandfather, Andries (Andrew) Brink served in the Kimberley Regiment > from 6.10.1914 to 13.8.1915 which was part of the 7th South African > Infantry, thereafter he was in the S.A.V.R. He was issued with the > 1914-1915 Star. I am sure that during his period of service he was in > German South West Africa. > Would any one be able to help me with any information on where the > regiment served and are there any web sites relating to this campaign > and to the regiment. > Derrick Joyce > Reading > England ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za ============================== You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/

Hi Derrick, I would suggest contacting the Military Archives in Pretoria who have all the records of South African soldiers who fought in the two World Wars. Each Service Record shows exactly where the soldier and regiment were deployed giving dates of deployment and other details such as conduct and illnesses. These records should give you a very good idea of your grandfather's movements. The staff at this Archive are extremely helpful but there is a limit to the research that they will perform on your behalf. I can, however, refer you to a researcher who specializes in these records. Wishing you much success with your further research, Paul Cheifitz > From: roan_luan@yahoo.co.uk > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Kimberley Regiment > > My grandfather, Andries (Andrew) Brink served in the Kimberley Regiment > from 6.10.1914 to 13.8.1915 which was part of the 7th South African > Infantry, thereafter he was in the S.A.V.R. He was issued with the > 1914-1915 Star. I am sure that during his period of service he was in > German South West Africa. > Would any one be able to help me with any information on where the > regiment served and are there any web sites relating to this campaign > and to the regiment. > Derrick Joyce > Reading > England

Good evening everyone - please find listed below part 5 of British Families in South Africa ALLEN* Meaning: Personal name from old Gaelic Ailéne (rock). Charles, b. Londonderry 1791, d. Uitenhage 1833. Auctioneer. M. Cape Town 12.10.1817 Maria J. Mentz, 2 c. James Franklin Swithin, b. Liscongil, Ireland, 15.7.1852, d. Pietermaritzburg 13.8.1913. S.o. William and Clare Allen. Arr. 1875. Medical practitioner. M. 1882 Jane C. Campbell, 5 c. Richmond Robert, of Pietermaritzburg, b. 1852. Surgeon. M. 1882 Clara E. King, d.o. Richard Philip King, Dick King, 1 c. ALLISON Meaning: Son of Alice. James (44), fr. London. Turner. Arr. 1820 on the East Indian with wife Ann (Maxwell) (39), 6 c. Francis (40), fr. Nottingham. Labourer. Arr. 1820 with wife Elizabeth (30), 5 c. James, b. Edinburgh 4.7.1802, d. Pietermaritzburg 1.4.1875. Arr. 1820 on the East Indian. Minister Methodist Church and missionary. S.o. James and Ann Allison. M. Grahamstown 4.1.1827 Dorothy Thackwray, d. 23.6.1864; rem. Mary McCarthy, 3 c. Joseph, b. Cork, Ireland 30.11.1817, d. Tempe nr. Bloemfontein 5.9.1869. Arr. 1820. S.o. James Allison and Ann Maxwell. Civil servant and farmer. M. Johanna E. F. du Plooy, 10 c. ALLSOP Meaning: From Alsop (Derby). John, b. Leicestershire 30.3.1812, d. 11.1.1890. M. England 21.5.1833 Elizabeth Webster, b. 2.8.1811, d. 27.5.1851, 3 c. ALMOND Meaning: From river Almond. John, b. Glasgow 13.4.1837, d. Napier 8.8.1870. Furniture maker. M. Napier 7.11.1864 Susan J. M. Groenewald, 3 c. AMOS Meaning: Amis, friend. Henry (16), Thomas (7), Edward (4) and 4 sisters, stepchildren of Richard Bowles, fr. Dover. Arr. 1820 on the Weymouth. Children of the late Henry and Elizabeth Amos. (See Bowles.) ANDERSON Meaning: Son of Andrew. William, b. London 1.12.1769, d. Pacaltsdorp 24.9.1852. S.o. William Anderson and Catherine Turner. Arr. 1800. LMS missionary. M. Cape Town 17.8.1806 Johanna M. Schonke, d.o. Bartholomeus S., b. 1777, d. 1848, 9 c. Alexander, b. Dundee, Scotland, 14.12.1839, d. Port Elizabeth 17.5.1884. M. Cherryline Manners, 6 c. George (48), fr. London. Carpenter. Arr. 1820 on the Chapman with wife Isabella (45), 2 c. In same ship their sons George (24), Robert (26) and William, all carpenters. ANDREWS Meaning: Son of Andrew. Ceasar, b. England 1807, d. Port Elizabeth 17.3.1879. M. Maria J. Heugh, 5 c. ANNANDALE Meaning: Place in Dumfries. George, b. Great Britain, ca. 1799, d. distr. Wodehouse 24.12.1879. S.o. John and Maria Annandale. Smith. M. Somerset East 3.9.1826 Susanna J. de Beer, d.o. J. M. de Beer, d. 22.5.1873, 11 c. APPLEYARD Meaning: From Appleyard, Yorkshire. John Whittle, b. Cirencester, Gloucestershire, 15.6.1814, d. King William's Town 4.4.1874. S.o. Rev. John Appleyard. Arr. 1840. Wesleyan missionary and publisher. M. Salem 13.4.1841 (first name unknown) Archbell, 1 c. APSEY Meaning: Son of App or Abb (Abraham). George, wid. Mary Ann Chapman. M. Cape Town 12.8.1833 Caroline Roach, wid. J. Rauch, 2 c. ARBUCKLE Meaning: Place in Lanark. (Sir) William, b. Larbert, Stirlingshire, Scotland, 25.7.1839, d. Durban 4.8.1915. S.o. William Arbuckle and Margaret Marshall. Arr. 1850 as a Byrne settler. Businessman and politician. M. 1865 Henrietta Shire, 8 c. ARBUTHNOT Meaning: From Arbuthnott, nr. Aberdeen. James, b. Peterhead, Scotland, ca. 1817, d. Umzinto, Natal 4.5.1861. Sugar farmer. S.o. William A. and Susan Marshall. Arr. 1850 on the Unicorn. M. 1842 Jane M. Cordiner, 9 c. ARCHBELL Meaning: Precious bold. James, b. Tadcaster, Yorkshire, 1798, d. Pietermaritzburg 30.3.1866. Wesleyan missionary, Voortrekker minister, journalist, businessman, politician. M. 25.10.1818 Elizabeth Haigh, d. 1855, Leeds; rem. Sarah Anna Strickland née Haigh, 10 c. ARCHER Meaning: Bowman. John, b. Leicestershire, ca. 1794, d. Kookfontein 5.11.1866. Land surveyor. Arr. 1820 on the East Indian with wife Jane Hart, b. Longford, Ireland, ca. 1798, d. Keerom, Namaqualand 7.11.1835, d.o. William and Catherine Hart; rem. Charlotte Newman, d.o. John and Charlotte Newman, b. Cumberland, ca. 1799, d. Kookhuis 7.5.1865, 7 c. ARCHIBALD Meaning: Precious bold. Robert Montgomery, b. Acton, Middlesex, 7.1.1838, d. Umzinto 21.6.1913. S.o. Robert Archibald and Helen Paterson. Arr. 1842. Businessman and politician. M. 1867 Mary E. Wheatland, 3 c. ARLOW Meaning: From Harlow (Essex) or Harlow Hill (Northumberland). John, b. England. M. Uitenhage 3.4.1820 Aletta C. J. Brits, d.o. J. J. Brits, 8 c. ARMSTRONG Meaning: Strong in the arm. Alexander Boswell, b. Dublin 21.12.1787, d. King William's Town 25.7.1862. S.o. John Armstrong and Thomasine Tucker. Arr. 1818. Soldier and magistrate. M. Mary Frazer, 5 c. ARNOT Meaning: From Arnot in Portmoak, Scotland. David, b. Fife, Scotland, 1795. Arr. 1817 with Moodie settlers. Cooper. M. Uitenhage 2.10.1819 Catharina van der Jeugd, d.o. Jacobus v. d. J.; rem. 13.3.1833 Mary Turvey, wid. George Nelson, 4 c. ARROWSMITH Meaning: Smith who makes arrows, especially iron arrow-heads. Joseph, fr. London. Arr. 1820 on the Duke of Marlborough. M. Cape Town 12.7.1824 Rose Gordon, wid., 2 c. ASHBROOK Meaning: Eastern brook. George (27), fr. Manchester. Labourer. Arr. 1820 on the John with wife Catherine (24), 4 c. ASHBY Meaning: Place name in several counties. John Ashby, b. ca. 1840. Shopkeeper Swellendam. M. Swellendam 26.3.1867 Susanna J. Steyn, 5 c. ASHTON Meaning: Place name in several counties. William, b. Heaton Norris, Lancashire, 13.7.1817, d. Barkly West 29.3.1897. S.o. Thomas Ashton. Arr. 1843. Missionary. M. Sarah Dixon, d. 1859; rem. Catherine Henslie, d. 1879; rem. Martha J. Hardy, d. 1928, 6 c. kind regards Heather Please note that no part of this information may be reproduced without prior permission on the list-owner in any electronic or paper format whatsoever Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za is soon due to be re-vamped and re-launched. 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Derrick, Kim R took part in the German South West Africa Campaign in 1914-5. A good book is 'Urgent Imperial Service - SA Forces in GSWA 1914-1915 by Gerald L'Ange' ISBN 1 874800 22 7 Ashanti Publishers 1991. No idea of the address or teleno but the McGregor museum in Kimberley would be a good place to start on the history of the Kimberley Rifles. Good luck, David B Hi Derrick, I am unable to help with regard to Kimberley Regiment. However, I have been looking at sites regarding South West Africa (Namibia) recently. I suggest you take a look at http://www.klausdierks.com/ I was reading some of the Namibia Biographies. If you click on this link you will find a Carel Frederik BRINK, a land surveyor from the Cape Colony in 1761. Very interesting reading. There is also a Chronology of Namibian History. National Museum of Namibia can be found at http://institutions.africadatabase.org/data/i129809.html If you fo a 'google' search for 'namibia + history + kimberley' there is a pdf that can be downloaded. Perhaps some of the information found here will be of help. Regards, Elva > X-Message: #4 > Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:24:27 +0100 (BST) > From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Deloki?= <roan_luan@yahoo.co.uk> > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20040823092427.2123.qmail@web25309.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Subject: Kimberley Regiment > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > My grandfather, Andries (Andrew) Brink served in the Kimberley Regiment > from 6.10.1914 to 13.8.1915 which was part of the 7th South African > Infantry, thereafter he was in the S.A.V.R. He was issued with the > 1914-1915 Star. I am sure that during his period of service he was in > German South West Africa. > Would any one be able to help me with any information on where the > regiment served and are there any web sites relating to this campaign > and to the regiment. > Derrick Joyce > Reading > England ______________________________

Hi Faye I have had no trouble with NAAIRS - perhaps you need to empty your "memory cache" - could be a memory problem on your computer. I bit like out brain when we get old and the brain is full we start forgetting things - hope this improves kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za is soon due to be re-vamped and re-launched. This web site will have more content and more surprises.......please keep watching my home page for the latest announcements. Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm Join the Cape Town Mailing list at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ZAF/SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fay Lea" <cancun@icon.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 12:12 PM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Naairs Hi Heather and all, Could anyone tell me why I am having difficulty with Naairs Search - I get page one of a enquiry fine but I cannot go to page two or higher numbers. I have always been able to do this, am I doing something wrong? Thanks in anticipation. Fay ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Derrick, I am unable to help with regard to Kimberley Regiment. However, I have been looking at sites regarding South West Africa (Namibia) recently. I suggest you take a look at http://www.klausdierks.com/ I was reading some of the Namibia Biographies. If you click on this link you will find a Carel Frederik BRINK, a land surveyor from the Cape Colony in 1761. Very interesting reading. There is also a Chronology of Namibian History. National Museum of Namibia can be found at http://institutions.africadatabase.org/data/i129809.html If you fo a 'google' search for 'namibia + history + kimberley' there is a pdf that can be downloaded. Perhaps some of the information found here will be of help. Regards, Elva > X-Message: #4 > Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:24:27 +0100 (BST) > From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Deloki?= <roan_luan@yahoo.co.uk> > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20040823092427.2123.qmail@web25309.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Subject: Kimberley Regiment > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > My grandfather, Andries (Andrew) Brink served in the Kimberley Regiment > from 6.10.1914 to 13.8.1915 which was part of the 7th South African > Infantry, thereafter he was in the S.A.V.R. He was issued with the > 1914-1915 Star. I am sure that during his period of service he was in > German South West Africa. > Would any one be able to help me with any information on where the > regiment served and are there any web sites relating to this campaign > and to the regiment. > Derrick Joyce > Reading > England

Hi Heather and all, Could anyone tell me why I am having difficulty with Naairs Search - I get page one of a enquiry fine but I cannot go to page two or higher numbers. I have always been able to do this, am I doing something wrong? Thanks in anticipation. Fay

Hello Carol I did a search on the National Archives web site an found the estate papers for Susanna Maria but I see they have spelt her maiden name incorrectly. You will either have to write yourself to the Cape Town Archives for a copy of the death notice, ask someone nicely on the mailing list or pay a researcher. Hopefully her estate papers will include a death notice which "keeping fingers crossed" should give her parents names and or place of birth. kind regards Heather DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 6/9/4746 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 49716 PART 1 DESCRIPTION NORTJE, SUSANNA MARIA MAGDALENA. NEE NOACH. ESTATE PAPERS. STARTING 19360000 ENDING 19360000 SELECT SOURCE VOLUME NO REFERENCE DESCRIPTION BEGIN DATE END DATE DOC 4/1/512 409 MORTGAGE BOND. SUSANNA MARIA MAGDALENA NORTJE, BORN ROACH. 1897 1897 DOC 4/1/584 1595 MORTGAGE BOND. SUSANNAH MARIA MAGDALENA NORTJE, BORN ROACH. 1898 1898 DOC 4/1/692 5947 MORTGAGE BOND. SUSANNA MARIA MAGDALENA NORTJE, BORN ROACH. 1899 1899 DOC 4/1/1084 6416 MORTGAGE BOND. SUSANNA MARIA MAGDALENA NORTJE, BORN ROACH. 1904 1904 Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za is soon due to be re-vamped and re-launched. This web site will have more content and more surprises.......please keep watching my home page for the latest announcements. Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm Join the Cape Town Mailing list at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ZAF/SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nortje" <caroln@iprimus.com.au> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 1:07 PM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] (South-Africa-Cape-Town) Hi from New Member Hello Heather, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Am enjoying your mailing lists. My name is Carol Nortje and I live in Queensland, Australia. I am trying to research my husbands side of the family. His father was Petrus Cornelius Nortje born 30 Sep 1908 in Jansenville, Cape Province and died in Johannesburg on 21 October 1963. We think his brothers names were Daniel; James; Anton; Wilfred; and also two sisters who died during a Flu epidemic between 1914 - 1918. We don't know the parents names but think his Mothers Maiden name was Roach and that she came to South Africa from Northern Ireland as a girl. I think there were quite a few Nortje relatives in Port Elizabeth and probably still are. Would really appreciate some help from someone out there. Kind regards, Carol ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Carol, Welcome to the Cape List. Have you done a NAAIRS Search? http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/ At the KAB Database 42 MOOC documents were found for Petrus NORTJE. These would be Death Notices and/or Estate Papers, which are very informative as they very often mention parents' names, spouse and children. There are also 4 References to Mortgage Bond Documents for NORTJE, born ROACH at the Cape Archives. For more recent Death Notices you will have to do a search at Cape Master Death Notice Index Project. At Heather's Genealogy HelpList http://www.genealogy.co.za/ At Church Registers you can download Ellen Stanton's transcriptions (over 5000 entries) Could this be Anton? of Port Elizabeth? Microfilm# 1560904 Port Elizabeth, St. Columbus, Cape Province Presbyterian Church Marriages: 1906-1923 Item 8 Entry #61 Husband: Antonie Christoffel NORTJE, 27, Taxi Driver Wife: Millie Ada OOSTHUIZEN, 23 Regards, Elva Qld, Australia > From: "Nortje" <caroln@iprimus.com.au> > Subject: (South-Africa-Cape-Town) Hi from New Member > Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:07:46 +1000 > > > > Hello Heather, > Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Am enjoying your mailing > lists. > My name is Carol Nortje and I live in Queensland, Australia. I am > trying to > research my husbands side of the family. His father was Petrus > Cornelius > Nortje born 30 Sep 1908 in Jansenville, Cape Province and died in > Johannesburg on 21 October 1963. We think his brothers names were > Daniel; > James; Anton; Wilfred; and also two sisters who died during a Flu > epidemic > between 1914 - 1918. We don't know the parents names but think his > Mothers > Maiden name was Roach and that she came to South Africa from Northern > Ireland as a girl. I think there were quite a few Nortje relatives in > Port > Elizabeth and probably still are. Would really appreciate some help > from > someone out there. > Kind regards, > Carol > > >

Hello Heather, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Am enjoying your mailing lists. My name is Carol Nortje and I live in Queensland, Australia. I am trying to research my husbands side of the family. His father was Petrus Cornelius Nortje born 30 Sep 1908 in Jansenville, Cape Province and died in Johannesburg on 21 October 1963. We think his brothers names were Daniel; James; Anton; Wilfred; and also two sisters who died during a Flu epidemic between 1914 - 1918. We don't know the parents names but think his Mothers Maiden name was Roach and that she came to South Africa from Northern Ireland as a girl. I think there were quite a few Nortje relatives in Port Elizabeth and probably still are. Would really appreciate some help from someone out there. Kind regards, Carol

Evening all Please find below the next instalment ALLEN* Meaning: Personal name from old Gaelic Ailéne (rock). Charles, b. Londonderry 1791, d. Uitenhage 1833. Auctioneer. M. Cape Town 12.10.1817 Maria J. Mentz, 2 c. James Franklin Swithin, b. Liscongil, Ireland, 15.7.1852, d. Pietermaritzburg 13.8.1913. S.o. William and Clare Allen. Arr. 1875. Medical practitioner. M. 1882 Jane C. Campbell, 5 c. Richmond Robert, of Pietermaritzburg, b. 1852. Surgeon. M. 1882 Clara E. King, d.o. Richard Philip King, Dick King, 1 c. ALLISON Meaning: Son of Alice. James (44), fr. London. Turner. Arr. 1820 on the East Indian with wife Ann (Maxwell) (39), 6 c. Francis (40), fr. Nottingham. Labourer. Arr. 1820 with wife Elizabeth (30), 5 c. James, b. Edinburgh 4.7.1802, d. Pietermaritzburg 1.4.1875. Arr. 1820 on the East Indian. Minister Methodist Church and missionary. S.o. James and Ann Allison. M. Grahamstown 4.1.1827 Dorothy Thackwray, d. 23.6.1864; rem. Mary McCarthy, 3 c. Joseph, b. Cork, Ireland 30.11.1817, d. Tempe nr. Bloemfontein 5.9.1869. Arr. 1820. S.o. James Allison and Ann Maxwell. Civil servant and farmer. M. Johanna E. F. du Plooy, 10 c. ALLSOP Meaning: From Alsop (Derby). John, b. Leicestershire 30.3.1812, d. 11.1.1890. M. England 21.5.1833 Elizabeth Webster, b. 2.8.1811, d. 27.5.1851, 3 c. ALMOND Meaning: From river Almond. John, b. Glasgow 13.4.1837, d. Napier 8.8.1870. Furniture maker. M. Napier 7.11.1864 Susan J. M. Groenewald, 3 c. AMOS Meaning: Amis, friend. Henry (16), Thomas (7), Edward (4) and 4 sisters, stepchildren of Richard Bowles, fr. Dover. Arr. 1820 on the Weymouth. Children of the late Henry and Elizabeth Amos. (See Bowles.) ANDERSON Meaning: Son of Andrew. William, b. London 1.12.1769, d. Pacaltsdorp 24.9.1852. S.o. William Anderson and Catherine Turner. Arr. 1800. LMS missionary. M. Cape Town 17.8.1806 Johanna M. Schonke, d.o. Bartholomeus S., b. 1777, d. 1848, 9 c. Alexander, b. Dundee, Scotland, 14.12.1839, d. Port Elizabeth 17.5.1884. M. Cherryline Manners, 6 c. George (48), fr. London. Carpenter. Arr. 1820 on the Chapman with wife Isabella (45), 2 c. In same ship their sons George (24), Robert (26) and William, all carpenters. Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za is soon due to be re-vamped and re-launched. This web site will have more content and more surprises.......please keep watching my home page for the latest announcements. Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm Join the Cape Town Mailing list at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ZAF/SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN.html

Evening all Just to remind you that tomorrow afternoon 21st August the Cape Town Family History Society will be having guest speaker Graham Dickason talking on Irish Settler to the Cape. Time: 2:30 Place: Wynberg Boys High School Entry: R7.00 including tea and biscuits Please come along everyone it is going to be a great afternoon + and probably more exciting than the rugby !! Tel: 021-7888188 for bookings regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za is soon due to be re-vamped and re-launched. This web site will have more content and more surprises.......please keep watching my home page for the latest announcements. Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm Join the Cape Town Mailing list at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ZAF/SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN.html

Hello Listeners I am still trying to get information and if possible the passenger list form the Ship that brought Sir Harry Smith to the Cape in 1847 December. My ancestor was Stephen Hart and I am trying to find out if his borthers name was Edwin of Edward Hart and if their Father also came with them. This is a shot in the Dark because I have not found anything to date. This Stephen Hart lived in Newlands/ Rondebosch and married a Magdalena Johanna Brown/ Brachfeld. They were married in January 31 of 1848. And their eldest son was Thomas Hart. There is also no Death Notices for Stephen and Johanna but I did find a date they were buried it was two weeks apart in August 1892. My next step is to try to make the connection with the Family in Sussex England. I also have quite a few Death Notices of Harts that are not related to my family. I am actually on a Quest to gather all the Death Notices of Hart's to try and once and for all get all the Hart's. If there is anybody out there interested in getting this Hart story sorted out I would like to hear from you please. I have a bit of information on the Robert Hart from Glen Avon Somerset East as well as quite a few death Notices as well. Regards Rob Hart Cel 082 679 6675 Disclaimer: The information contained in this communication is subject to copyright and intended only for the use of the addressee(s). Unauthorised use, disclosure, or copying is strictly prohibited. Should a virus infection occur as a result of this communication the sender will not be liable. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender.

Hi Rob, I checked the Hart's in my book on 1820 Settlers, and although there is no Stephen in the list, I am copying you the information, as you said you were interested in hunting all the Hart's down. (Not sure if "hunting" would be appropriate for human Harts???)!! Anyway: 1) Hart, William, 54. Lt-Col. 13th Dragoon Guards. w. Jane, c. Elizabeth 19, Henry 10, Samuel 8. (then there's the name William w/ no age next to it). Party: Bailie's. Ship: Chapman. 2) Info on Bailie's Party - "A party of 256 from London led By Lieut. John Bailie, R.N. sailed in "Chapman". Their location was between Wellington and Palmiet Rivers and their centre was named Cuylerville after Colonel Jacob Cuyler, 59th Reg. Divisions of the party were directed by Lt. Bailie, Thomas Adams, George Anderson, William Harrison, and Thomas Wakeford." 3) "Hart, Robert 1777-1867 Born at Strathavon, Lanark, he joined the Argyll and Sutherland Regiment in 1794. In 1795 he took part in the Battle of Muizenberg and served in India in 1803. He returned to England in 1804 and was married to Hannah Tamplin of Guernsey. Sgt.-Maj @ Shorncliffe in 1806, he was at the Cape as Ensign, Cape Regiment in 1807, later becoming Adjutant. He served in the Zuurveld Campaign in 1811. He grew vegetables on land which he held at Grahamstown in 1815 and succeeded Dr. Joseph Mackrill as Superintendent of Somerset Farm. In 1825 he was Acting Magistrate at Somerset. At his death he left (pound sterling) 1300 toward the foundation of a Church at Somerset." Hope some of this is helpful or opens some doors for you. Regards Coral Anna -----Original Message----- From: Rob Hart [mailto:Rob.Hart@transnet.net] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 9:44 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Sir Harry Smith's arrival at Cape Town Hello Listeners My next step is to try to make the connection with the Family in Sussex England. I also have quite a few Death Notices of Harts that are not related to my family. I am actually on a Quest to gather all the Death Notices of Hart's to try and once and for all get all the Hart's. If there is anybody out there interested in getting this Hart story sorted out I would like to hear from you please. I have a bit of information on the Robert Hart from Glen Avon Somerset East as well as quite a few death Notices as well. Regards Rob Hart ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za ============================== You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/