Hi Elva There is St Luke's Diep River, (1910) and Emmanuel, Plumstead (1928)- these both fall under the Parish of St John's Wynberg but they hold their own records. Regards Sharon Warr View 1800s SOUTH AFRICAN PASSENGER LISTS at http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/DataArchive.htm SCRIBES PUBLISHING for Colonial Books on CD - visit http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/Scribes.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elva Hanly" <theaviary@bigpond.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:51 AM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] ANGLICAN - PLUMSTEAD > Hello List members, > > While we are on the subject of Anglican Churches, perhaps someone could > tell me if there was one at PLUMSTEAD before 1910 please. > > Cheers, > > Elva > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > www.genealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Somebody named TERESA MADELINE TEEAR has submitted material to the Family Search Pedigree Resource File which looks as though it may be connected to my family research. Are you a member of this List, Teresa? If so, would love to hear from you. Back from a totally unexpected holiday oversea - we were off, off and away when the opportunity occurred! - and armed with dozens of pix of ancestral places for the Trott family. What a thrill it all was.... Unfortunately the Exeter Record Office was closed for moving, or I think I would be there yet. Go well! Ivy Trott.

Hi To All If your ancestor was a Doctor, Chemist, Druggist or Apothecary in the year 1863 in the Cape Colony, you will find him on the list of licenced Medical Practioners at http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/Doctors1863.htm together with details on where and when he qualified. Also check 'Wrecks & Survivors' at http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/DataArchive.htm for an account of the wreck of the Waterloo and a list of victims and survivors (other interesting stories on other wrecks there too) regards Sharon Warr View 1800s SOUTH AFRICAN PASSENGER LISTS at http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/DataArchive.htm SCRIBES PUBLISHING for Colonial Books on CD - visit http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/Scribes.htm

Hi Elva, The Holy Trinity Anglican Church is in Main st Paarl, opposite the BMW garage as you enter the town from the South..The Presbytery and office is at the adress you gave. Regards John Speck from a cold Paarl jspeck@lantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elva Hanly" <theaviary@bigpond.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 11:52 PM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Re: CROCKETTs in Wynberg and Paarl Churches > Hi Peter, > > For Paarl you could try Holy Trinity, 8 Auret Street, Paarl, 7647, > Cape, RSA. > Fax (021) 872 2522. > You could try http://www.cpsa.org.za for contact details of other > Anglican Parishes > > Good luck, > > Elva > > > From: "Sharon Warr" <snw@absamail.co.za> > > Date: 7 October 2004 11:38:10 PM > > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] CROCKETTs in Wynberg and Paarl > > Churches > > > > > > Hello Peter > > St John's is the Anglican church in Wynberg. (not Episcopal). Their > > baptism > > records start around 1832 - and yes it is possible to access them. If > > they > > lived in Wynberg in the 1850's and were Anglican then I am sure they > > would > > have married there. Then there is St George's Cathedral in Cape Town > > itself > > which also dates from 1834. The Cathedral records up to 1900 are > > housed at > > the Cape Town Archives. There were other Anglican churches nearer > > Wynberg > > such as St Paul's Rondebosch which I am sure was also there in the > > 1850s and > > St Saviour's Claremont - but my money is on St John's if they were a > > Wynberg > > family. I am not sure about Anglican churches in Paarl. > > Regards > > Sharon Warr > > > > View 1800s SOUTH AFRICAN PASSENGER LISTS at > > http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/DataArchive.htm > > SCRIBES PUBLISHING for Colonial Books on CD - visit > > http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/Scribes.htm > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Forrest" <pdjk@chgos.freeserve.co.uk> > > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 12:08 AM > > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] CROCKETTs in Wynberg and Paarl > > Churches > > > > > >> Hi Everyone > >> > >> Your help in my search for my CROCKETT relations has led me to > >> Wynberg and > >> Paarl. > >> > >> With Maureen's help I now know that the wife of EDWARD CHARLES > >> CROCKETT, > > who > >> was called SUSANNA MARIA GIRD, was born in Wynberg on 28 Feb 1835 and > >> that > >> her three younger siblings were born in Paarl. > >> > >> I have looked up these two places on the IGI to see if there are any > >> micro > >> films of the church records available, but there are none for the > >> Anglican > >> (is it Episcopal in South Africa?) church. > >> > >> My question are: > >> 1. Is there an Anglican church in Wynberg and Paarl? If so is it > >> possible > >> to get access to the church records? Can I write to the vicar? > >> 2. Would these churches have been around in about 1850? If not where > > would > >> they have gone to get married and have their children baptised. Would > > they > >> have gone to Cape Town cathedral? I'm sorry but my geography is very > >> sketchy and this may be a silly question. > >> 3. What I am now trying to find is the record of Edward Crockett's > > marriage > >> to Susanna and I am hoping that it might be in one of these two > >> places. > >> > >> best wishes > >> > >> Peter Forrest > >> > >> Newcastle upon Tyne, England > >> > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > www.genealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

My grateful thanks to all who responded to my request for the names of Anglican churches in Wynberg and Paarl. I am quite bowled over by the warm and quick response I have had from so many on the list Many thanks Peter Forrest Newcastle upon Tyne

Hi Researchers, I'm looking for more information on the McCallums. George Thomas was born in Cape Town in Nov 24, 1867. He was the son of Alexander (Wallace) McCallum born April 7, 1829 and Christina Frances Helena Heintjies born in Germany, in 1844. They were married April 23, 1860 in Cape Town. They went on to have 12 children. What became of Who did Alexander Wallace born 18 Nov 1862, marry? Frederika Margaret Christina born 14 Aug 1869 Peter Christin born 25 Dec 1875 Henry born 1873 William Henry born 11 Oct 1877 Mary born 1879 The rest I can account for, but what happened to the above children?? Alexander died 21 July 1891. 1. What became of Christina? 2. Did she change her name to Grace? 3. Did she marry a 'Livingstone' 4. Did she own a 'bar'? 5. Was Alexander's second name Wallace? 6. What of Alexander's parents Samuel and Mary? 7. Did they immigrate? 8. What was Mary's maiden name? Please, please does anyone know this family? I have had lotsof promised leads, but no follow-throughs. There has been lots said about what happened, but what really happened? Regards Michele Shaw --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.772 / Virus Database: 519 - Release Date: 10/1/2004

Hi Peter, For Paarl you could try Holy Trinity, 8 Auret Street, Paarl, 7647, Cape, RSA. Fax (021) 872 2522. You could try http://www.cpsa.org.za for contact details of other Anglican Parishes Good luck, Elva > From: "Sharon Warr" <snw@absamail.co.za> > Date: 7 October 2004 11:38:10 PM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] CROCKETTs in Wynberg and Paarl > Churches > > > Hello Peter > St John's is the Anglican church in Wynberg. (not Episcopal). Their > baptism > records start around 1832 - and yes it is possible to access them. If > they > lived in Wynberg in the 1850's and were Anglican then I am sure they > would > have married there. Then there is St George's Cathedral in Cape Town > itself > which also dates from 1834. The Cathedral records up to 1900 are > housed at > the Cape Town Archives. There were other Anglican churches nearer > Wynberg > such as St Paul's Rondebosch which I am sure was also there in the > 1850s and > St Saviour's Claremont - but my money is on St John's if they were a > Wynberg > family. I am not sure about Anglican churches in Paarl. > Regards > Sharon Warr > > View 1800s SOUTH AFRICAN PASSENGER LISTS at > http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/DataArchive.htm > SCRIBES PUBLISHING for Colonial Books on CD - visit > http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/Scribes.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Forrest" <pdjk@chgos.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 12:08 AM > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] CROCKETTs in Wynberg and Paarl > Churches > > >> Hi Everyone >> >> Your help in my search for my CROCKETT relations has led me to >> Wynberg and >> Paarl. >> >> With Maureen's help I now know that the wife of EDWARD CHARLES >> CROCKETT, > who >> was called SUSANNA MARIA GIRD, was born in Wynberg on 28 Feb 1835 and >> that >> her three younger siblings were born in Paarl. >> >> I have looked up these two places on the IGI to see if there are any >> micro >> films of the church records available, but there are none for the >> Anglican >> (is it Episcopal in South Africa?) church. >> >> My question are: >> 1. Is there an Anglican church in Wynberg and Paarl? If so is it >> possible >> to get access to the church records? Can I write to the vicar? >> 2. Would these churches have been around in about 1850? If not where > would >> they have gone to get married and have their children baptised. Would > they >> have gone to Cape Town cathedral? I'm sorry but my geography is very >> sketchy and this may be a silly question. >> 3. What I am now trying to find is the record of Edward Crockett's > marriage >> to Susanna and I am hoping that it might be in one of these two >> places. >> >> best wishes >> >> Peter Forrest >> >> Newcastle upon Tyne, England >>

Hello Brian St. Georges Cathedral records (not all) can be found on the IGI website My ancestors marriages from circa 1855 were found here http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/sear ch_IGI.asp kind regards Heather Heather MacAlister Site Coordinator and Researcher for www.ancestry.mweb.co.za www.familytree.co.za - coming soon www.stamnboom.co.za - coming soon Learning on Line 46 Hof Street Gardens 8001 Tel: 021-481 8316 -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Warr [mailto:snw@absamail.co.za] Sent: 08 October 2004 06:53 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] CROCKETTs in Wynberg and Paarl Churches Hi Brian As far as I know they are not indexed and they are not on NAAIRS. Regards Sharon View 1800s SOUTH AFRICAN PASSENGER LISTS at http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/DataArchive.htm SCRIBES PUBLISHING for Colonial Books on CD - visit http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/Scribes.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Harpur" <keseng@absamail.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] CROCKETTs in Wynberg and Paarl Churches > Hi Sharon, > Are the Cathedral Records up to 1900 index searchable through NAAIRS, or > does one have to pay the archives a visit? > Kind regards, > Brian Harpur > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon Warr" <snw@absamail.co.za> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:38 PM > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] CROCKETTs in Wynberg and Paarl > Churches > > > > Hello Peter > > St John's is the Anglican church in Wynberg. (not Episcopal). Their > baptism > > records start around 1832 - and yes it is possible to access them. If they > > lived in Wynberg in the 1850's and were Anglican then I am sure they would > > have married there. Then there is St George's Cathedral in Cape Town > itself > > which also dates from 1834. The Cathedral records up to 1900 are housed at > > the Cape Town Archives. There were other Anglican churches nearer Wynberg > > such as St Paul's Rondebosch which I am sure was also there in the 1850s > and > > St Saviour's Claremont - but my money is on St John's if they were a > Wynberg > > family. I am not sure about Anglican churches in Paarl. > > Regards > > Sharon Warr > > > > View 1800s SOUTH AFRICAN PASSENGER LISTS at > > http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/DataArchive.htm > > SCRIBES PUBLISHING for Colonial Books on CD - visit > > http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/Scribes.htm > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Forrest" <pdjk@chgos.freeserve.co.uk> > > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 12:08 AM > > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] CROCKETTs in Wynberg and Paarl Churches > > > > > > > Hi Everyone > > > > > > Your help in my search for my CROCKETT relations has led me to Wynberg > and > > > Paarl. > > > > > > With Maureen's help I now know that the wife of EDWARD CHARLES CROCKETT, > > who > > > was called SUSANNA MARIA GIRD, was born in Wynberg on 28 Feb 1835 and > that > > > her three younger siblings were born in Paarl. > > > > > > I have looked up these two places on the IGI to see if there are any > micro > > > films of the church records available, but there are none for the > Anglican > > > (is it Episcopal in South Africa?) church. > > > > > > My question are: > > > 1. Is there an Anglican church in Wynberg and Paarl? If so is it > possible > > > to get access to the church records? Can I write to the vicar? > > > 2. Would these churches have been around in about 1850? If not where > > would > > > they have gone to get married and have their children baptised. Would > > they > > > have gone to Cape Town cathedral? I'm sorry but my geography is very > > > sketchy and this may be a silly question. > > > 3. What I am now trying to find is the record of Edward Crockett's > > marriage > > > to Susanna and I am hoping that it might be in one of these two places. > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > Peter Forrest > > > > > > Newcastle upon Tyne, England > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > > > www.genealogy.co.za > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > www.genealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Brian As far as I know they are not indexed and they are not on NAAIRS. Regards Sharon View 1800s SOUTH AFRICAN PASSENGER LISTS at http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/DataArchive.htm SCRIBES PUBLISHING for Colonial Books on CD - visit http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/Scribes.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Harpur" <keseng@absamail.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] CROCKETTs in Wynberg and Paarl Churches > Hi Sharon, > Are the Cathedral Records up to 1900 index searchable through NAAIRS, or > does one have to pay the archives a visit? > Kind regards, > Brian Harpur > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon Warr" <snw@absamail.co.za> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:38 PM > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] CROCKETTs in Wynberg and Paarl > Churches > > > > Hello Peter > > St John's is the Anglican church in Wynberg. (not Episcopal). Their > baptism > > records start around 1832 - and yes it is possible to access them. If they > > lived in Wynberg in the 1850's and were Anglican then I am sure they would > > have married there. Then there is St George's Cathedral in Cape Town > itself > > which also dates from 1834. The Cathedral records up to 1900 are housed at > > the Cape Town Archives. There were other Anglican churches nearer Wynberg > > such as St Paul's Rondebosch which I am sure was also there in the 1850s > and > > St Saviour's Claremont - but my money is on St John's if they were a > Wynberg > > family. I am not sure about Anglican churches in Paarl. > > Regards > > Sharon Warr > > > > View 1800s SOUTH AFRICAN PASSENGER LISTS at > > http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/DataArchive.htm > > SCRIBES PUBLISHING for Colonial Books on CD - visit > > http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/Scribes.htm > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Forrest" <pdjk@chgos.freeserve.co.uk> > > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 12:08 AM > > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] CROCKETTs in Wynberg and Paarl Churches > > > > > > > Hi Everyone > > > > > > Your help in my search for my CROCKETT relations has led me to Wynberg > and > > > Paarl. > > > > > > With Maureen's help I now know that the wife of EDWARD CHARLES CROCKETT, > > who > > > was called SUSANNA MARIA GIRD, was born in Wynberg on 28 Feb 1835 and > that > > > her three younger siblings were born in Paarl. > > > > > > I have looked up these two places on the IGI to see if there are any > micro > > > films of the church records available, but there are none for the > Anglican > > > (is it Episcopal in South Africa?) church. > > > > > > My question are: > > > 1. Is there an Anglican church in Wynberg and Paarl? If so is it > possible > > > to get access to the church records? Can I write to the vicar? > > > 2. Would these churches have been around in about 1850? If not where > > would > > > they have gone to get married and have their children baptised. Would > > they > > > have gone to Cape Town cathedral? I'm sorry but my geography is very > > > sketchy and this may be a silly question. > > > 3. What I am now trying to find is the record of Edward Crockett's > > marriage > > > to Susanna and I am hoping that it might be in one of these two places. > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > Peter Forrest > > > > > > Newcastle upon Tyne, England > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > > > www.genealogy.co.za > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > www.genealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Peter Here are some address for Paarl Churches Including years covered by Baptisms-Marriages-Burials Paarl Annunciation CT 1963- 1967- 1966- 5 Maasdorp St Huguenot , 7645 Paarl Ascension CT 1879- 1875- 1882-1940 At St Stephen's Paarl Tel: 021 862-0315 Paarl Holy Trinity CT 1850- 1853- 1850- 8 Auret St Paarl, 7646 Tel: 021 872 2522 Paarl St Stephens CT 1871- 1875- 1966-1972 36 Yellowwood Ave New Orleans Paarl Post Code 7642 Tel: 021 862-0315 Paarl (Upper and Lower) CT 1875-1899 Wits AB2059mfm (+Cape Archives) kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za has moved to www.ancestry.mweb.co.za and soon to www.familytree.co.za Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.ancestors.co.za/society/socweb.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Forrest" <pdjk@chgos.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 12:08 AM > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] CROCKETTs in Wynberg and Paarl > Churches > > >> Hi Everyone >> >> Your help in my search for my CROCKETT relations has led me to >> Wynberg and >> Paarl. >> >> With Maureen's help I now know that the wife of EDWARD CHARLES >> CROCKETT, > who >> was called SUSANNA MARIA GIRD, was born in Wynberg on 28 Feb 1835 and >> that >> her three younger siblings were born in Paarl. >> >> I have looked up these two places on the IGI to see if there are any >> micro >> films of the church records available, but there are none for the >> Anglican >> (is it Episcopal in South Africa?) church. >> >> My question are: >> 1. Is there an Anglican church in Wynberg and Paarl? If so is it >> possible >> to get access to the church records? Can I write to the vicar? >> 2. Would these churches have been around in about 1850? If not where > would >> they have gone to get married and have their children baptised. Would > they >> have gone to Cape Town cathedral? I'm sorry but my geography is very >> sketchy and this may be a silly question. >> 3. What I am now trying to find is the record of Edward Crockett's > marriage >> to Susanna and I am hoping that it might be in one of these two >> places. >> >> best wishes >> >> Peter Forrest >> >> Newcastle upon Tyne, England >> ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Brian If you are looking for burials I can help you out. kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za has moved to www.ancestry.mweb.co.za and soon to www.familytree.co.za Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.ancestors.co.za/society/socweb.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Harpur" <keseng@absamail.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] CROCKETTs in Wynberg and Paarl Churches Hi Sharon, Are the Cathedral Records up to 1900 index searchable through NAAIRS, or does one have to pay the archives a visit? Kind regards, Brian Harpur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Warr" <snw@absamail.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] CROCKETTs in Wynberg and Paarl Churches > Hello Peter > St John's is the Anglican church in Wynberg. (not Episcopal). Their baptism > records start around 1832 - and yes it is possible to access them. If they > lived in Wynberg in the 1850's and were Anglican then I am sure they would > have married there. Then there is St George's Cathedral in Cape Town itself > which also dates from 1834. The Cathedral records up to 1900 are housed at > the Cape Town Archives. There were other Anglican churches nearer Wynberg > such as St Paul's Rondebosch which I am sure was also there in the 1850s and > St Saviour's Claremont - but my money is on St John's if they were a Wynberg > family. I am not sure about Anglican churches in Paarl. > Regards > Sharon Warr > > View 1800s SOUTH AFRICAN PASSENGER LISTS at > http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/DataArchive.htm > SCRIBES PUBLISHING for Colonial Books on CD - visit > http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/Scribes.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Forrest" <pdjk@chgos.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 12:08 AM > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] CROCKETTs in Wynberg and Paarl Churches > > > > Hi Everyone > > > > Your help in my search for my CROCKETT relations has led me to Wynberg and > > Paarl. > > > > With Maureen's help I now know that the wife of EDWARD CHARLES CROCKETT, > who > > was called SUSANNA MARIA GIRD, was born in Wynberg on 28 Feb 1835 and that > > her three younger siblings were born in Paarl. > > > > I have looked up these two places on the IGI to see if there are any micro > > films of the church records available, but there are none for the Anglican > > (is it Episcopal in South Africa?) church. > > > > My question are: > > 1. Is there an Anglican church in Wynberg and Paarl? If so is it possible > > to get access to the church records? Can I write to the vicar? > > 2. Would these churches have been around in about 1850? If not where > would > > they have gone to get married and have their children baptised. Would > they > > have gone to Cape Town cathedral? I'm sorry but my geography is very > > sketchy and this may be a silly question. > > 3. What I am now trying to find is the record of Edward Crockett's > marriage > > to Susanna and I am hoping that it might be in one of these two places. > > > > best wishes > > > > Peter Forrest > > > > Newcastle upon Tyne, England > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > > www.genealogy.co.za > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Sharon, Are the Cathedral Records up to 1900 index searchable through NAAIRS, or does one have to pay the archives a visit? Kind regards, Brian Harpur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Warr" <snw@absamail.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] CROCKETTs in Wynberg and Paarl Churches > Hello Peter > St John's is the Anglican church in Wynberg. (not Episcopal). Their baptism > records start around 1832 - and yes it is possible to access them. If they > lived in Wynberg in the 1850's and were Anglican then I am sure they would > have married there. Then there is St George's Cathedral in Cape Town itself > which also dates from 1834. The Cathedral records up to 1900 are housed at > the Cape Town Archives. There were other Anglican churches nearer Wynberg > such as St Paul's Rondebosch which I am sure was also there in the 1850s and > St Saviour's Claremont - but my money is on St John's if they were a Wynberg > family. I am not sure about Anglican churches in Paarl. > Regards > Sharon Warr > > View 1800s SOUTH AFRICAN PASSENGER LISTS at > http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/DataArchive.htm > SCRIBES PUBLISHING for Colonial Books on CD - visit > http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/Scribes.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Forrest" <pdjk@chgos.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 12:08 AM > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] CROCKETTs in Wynberg and Paarl Churches > > > > Hi Everyone > > > > Your help in my search for my CROCKETT relations has led me to Wynberg and > > Paarl. > > > > With Maureen's help I now know that the wife of EDWARD CHARLES CROCKETT, > who > > was called SUSANNA MARIA GIRD, was born in Wynberg on 28 Feb 1835 and that > > her three younger siblings were born in Paarl. > > > > I have looked up these two places on the IGI to see if there are any micro > > films of the church records available, but there are none for the Anglican > > (is it Episcopal in South Africa?) church. > > > > My question are: > > 1. Is there an Anglican church in Wynberg and Paarl? If so is it possible > > to get access to the church records? Can I write to the vicar? > > 2. Would these churches have been around in about 1850? If not where > would > > they have gone to get married and have their children baptised. Would > they > > have gone to Cape Town cathedral? I'm sorry but my geography is very > > sketchy and this may be a silly question. > > 3. What I am now trying to find is the record of Edward Crockett's > marriage > > to Susanna and I am hoping that it might be in one of these two places. > > > > best wishes > > > > Peter Forrest > > > > Newcastle upon Tyne, England > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > > www.genealogy.co.za > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

Hello Peter St John's is the Anglican church in Wynberg. (not Episcopal). Their baptism records start around 1832 - and yes it is possible to access them. If they lived in Wynberg in the 1850's and were Anglican then I am sure they would have married there. Then there is St George's Cathedral in Cape Town itself which also dates from 1834. The Cathedral records up to 1900 are housed at the Cape Town Archives. There were other Anglican churches nearer Wynberg such as St Paul's Rondebosch which I am sure was also there in the 1850s and St Saviour's Claremont - but my money is on St John's if they were a Wynberg family. I am not sure about Anglican churches in Paarl. Regards Sharon Warr View 1800s SOUTH AFRICAN PASSENGER LISTS at http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/DataArchive.htm SCRIBES PUBLISHING for Colonial Books on CD - visit http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/Scribes.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Forrest" <pdjk@chgos.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 12:08 AM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] CROCKETTs in Wynberg and Paarl Churches > Hi Everyone > > Your help in my search for my CROCKETT relations has led me to Wynberg and > Paarl. > > With Maureen's help I now know that the wife of EDWARD CHARLES CROCKETT, who > was called SUSANNA MARIA GIRD, was born in Wynberg on 28 Feb 1835 and that > her three younger siblings were born in Paarl. > > I have looked up these two places on the IGI to see if there are any micro > films of the church records available, but there are none for the Anglican > (is it Episcopal in South Africa?) church. > > My question are: > 1. Is there an Anglican church in Wynberg and Paarl? If so is it possible > to get access to the church records? Can I write to the vicar? > 2. Would these churches have been around in about 1850? If not where would > they have gone to get married and have their children baptised. Would they > have gone to Cape Town cathedral? I'm sorry but my geography is very > sketchy and this may be a silly question. > 3. What I am now trying to find is the record of Edward Crockett's marriage > to Susanna and I am hoping that it might be in one of these two places. > > best wishes > > Peter Forrest > > Newcastle upon Tyne, England > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > www.genealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Everyone Your help in my search for my CROCKETT relations has led me to Wynberg and Paarl. With Maureen's help I now know that the wife of EDWARD CHARLES CROCKETT, who was called SUSANNA MARIA GIRD, was born in Wynberg on 28 Feb 1835 and that her three younger siblings were born in Paarl. I have looked up these two places on the IGI to see if there are any micro films of the church records available, but there are none for the Anglican (is it Episcopal in South Africa?) church. My question are: 1. Is there an Anglican church in Wynberg and Paarl? If so is it possible to get access to the church records? Can I write to the vicar? 2. Would these churches have been around in about 1850? If not where would they have gone to get married and have their children baptised. Would they have gone to Cape Town cathedral? I'm sorry but my geography is very sketchy and this may be a silly question. 3. What I am now trying to find is the record of Edward Crockett's marriage to Susanna and I am hoping that it might be in one of these two places. best wishes Peter Forrest Newcastle upon Tyne, England

Morning all My cousin and went through another brick wall last night and found another missing link to the Cressy saga and found a Joseph Spearing who married Elizabeth Cressy at St. Georges Cathedral on 19 March 1855 - does anyone know of this person or have these names in there data base ? kind regards Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za has moved to www.ancestry.mweb.co.za and soon to www.familytree.co.za Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.ancestors.co.za/society/socweb.htm

Hi Heather Thank you once again for your help. I shall write to St Judes and see if they can help me. Nice to hear from someone with Geordie blood in their veins! Best wishes Peter Forrest Newcastle upon Tyne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@ancestors.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] CROCKETTS, St Judes parish, Oudtshoon > Hi Peter > > Yes, St. Judes still does exist and you can write to them at the following > address > > Oudtshoorn St Jude Box 187 Oudtshoorn Postal Code 6620 GEO 1860- > 1860- 1860- > > They still have registers dating back to 1860 > kind regards > Heather - whose relatives come from Newcastle on Tyne as well > > > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za has moved > to > www.ancestry.mweb.co.za and soon to www.familytree.co.za > > Join the Cape Town Family History Society > www.ancestors.co.za/society/socweb.htm >

Thank you to all those who responded to my George Paton queries. Your information and suggestions have been most helpful and has given me an insight into Cape Town both in the 1820's and today. I am now looking forward to experiencing S.A. and in particular Cape Town myself. Jim Westell Sharon, Ontario, Canada

Hi Peter Yes, St. Judes still does exist and you can write to them at the following address Oudtshoorn St Jude Box 187 Oudtshoorn Postal Code 6620 GEO 1860- 1860- 1860- They still have registers dating back to 1860 kind regards Heather - whose relatives come from Newcastle on Tyne as well Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za has moved to www.ancestry.mweb.co.za and soon to www.familytree.co.za Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.ancestors.co.za/society/socweb.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Forrest" <pdjk@chgos.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 5:04 PM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] CROCKETTS, St Judes parish, Oudtshoon Hi Everyone First a big thank you particularly to Heather MacAlister for introducing me to the National Archives. They have already helped me with find several bits of missing information. I wonder if you could help me with the following: I have a photocopy of part of the baptism certificate for my grand mother CONSTANCE ADA CROCKETT. Unfortunately part is torn off so I don't know what is missing. What is on it is as follows: Day of birth: (only partially distinguishable) 21 January 1887, Parents: Rowland Henry Vaughton Crockett & Helen Abode: Oudtshoon Profession (of father): artist Sponsors: Peter ?--- Blant, Fanny Blant, Ada Soulby Ceremony performed by: Percy E. H. Hilyard, assistant curate. ' ....a true extract from the register of baptisms of St Jude's Church, Oudtshoon, Cape of Good Hope.' Signed: Alfred Morris, Rector My first question is - where is Oudtshoon and does St Jude's still exist? Secondly is the Baptism register available for look ups? The reason I am asking is that I believe that 2 of Constance's brothers were born in South Africa as I have not been able to find them in the UK. They are ROWLAND GEORGE CROKETT born possibly 21 May 1881 FRANCIS REGINALD CROCKETT born about 1883, died an infant. I now know that their father ROWLAND HENRY VAUGHTON CROCKETT died in 1903 in the Cape Town area thanks to the National Archives. I was wondering if there might be a burial record in St Judes. I would be grateful for any suggestions on how to follow this up. many thanks Peter Forrest Newcastle upon Tyne. UK ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Evening all Can any dear kind soul please help me with an email address for Arend Brink who might possibly on this mailing list as I am looking for a Teresa Topham whose brother is looking for her ? I sent Theresa some info a while ago but cannot find her email list in my archives. kind thanks Heather Heather's South African Genealogy Help List at www.genealogy.co.za has moved to www.ancestry.mweb.co.za and soon to www.familytree.co.za Join the Cape Town Family History Society www.ancestors.co.za/society/socweb.htm

Thanks, Gary. I know that Walter definitely took his father's "GARDINER" surname rather than the "Scott" surname of his mother, and that he lived on St Helena from shortly after his birth in Cape Town right up until his death in 1970. John -----Original Message----- From: gary cheyne [mailto:gary@garycheyne.wanadoo.co.uk] Sent: 01 October 2004 17:25 To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] GARDINER Onteresting set of names as I knew of a John Gardener that worked in the Transport Industry9fruit and veg) in Brisbane Australia and secondly my gf was Ruffina Scott with a brother Walter who lived in Stellenbosch Cape Town and was said to come from Saint Helena Island. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gardiner, John (J.S.)" <jgardin2@ford.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] GARDINER > > Hello everyone, > > This is my first posting to the list. > > My name is JOHN GARDINER and I'm trying to find out more about my > great, great grandfather, THOMAS GARDINER, and his family and > descendants. This is perhaps a slightly unusual genealogical enquiry > as Thomas actually emigrated from rather than to South Africa. > > Thomas Gardiner is believed to have been born in the Cape in 1857 > (according to the UK Census of 1901 he was 44). Thomas seems to have > arrived in the UK sometime in the late 19th Century from South Africa, > and most probably the Cape, and started a fruit and veg business with > shops in Southwark, London and Portsmouth importing produce from the > Cape, presumably from family or past associates. I have a photograph > of Thomas and some of his children who were born in London (including > my great-grandmother). Though Thomas married an English / Irish lady > and looks "colonial" if you'll kindly forgive the expression, his > children do appear to have some Cape Malay or Coloured facial features > and skin tone. Thomas died in London in 1927 > > There's also a connection to WALTER GARDINER of St Helena who seems to > have been born in Cape Town in 1895, possibly to a HENRY GARDINER(?) > and a mother whose surname was SCOTT. Walter's mother died giving > birth to him and he was subsequently sent to St Helena to live with > his maternal grandfather. I have managed to trace Walter's surviving > grandson, MALCOLM GARDINER, a Saint who know lives in the UK. > Interestingly, one of Thomas's daughters, LOUISA GARDINER, (my > great-grandmother's sister) is believed to have left London to marry > Walter who was supposedly her second cousin. Therefore, we assume > there must be some connection emanating from their South African roots > between Thomas and Walter. > > Any information on Thomas, Walter or any other Gardiner family link in > the Cape region would be very much welcome. > > Many thanks and kind regards to you all. > > John Gardiner > > E-mail: jgardin2@ford.com or john@thegardinerhome.freeserve.co.uk > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237