The family name seems to be Russell. I am so glad this subject was brought up. I would never ever have thought of putting 'Duke of Bedford + South Africa" into Google if there had not been this correspondence on the List. What treasures I found! Not what our correspondent wanted - well, I gave up after exploring 10 pages! - but there were lots of Boer War references, stacks on zoos and animals, of course, and a lovely Appreciation of Georgette Heyer. Did you know that GH's novel 'The Spanish Bride' was based on the Autobiography of Sir Harry Smith? I didn't, and as I lived for a while in Port Elizabeth I appreciate the book all the more. Now off to amazon.com to see if I can find a copy.... Thank you, and sorry I couldn't help more. Go well! Ivy Trott.

Well, I know that Lorna's name was not Russell, but it'll come back to me when the grey matter warms up from our frigid 17ºF morning air!! -----Original Message----- From: Ivy Trott [mailto:ivytrott@telkomsa.net] Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:42 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] COX The family name seems to be Russell. I am so glad this subject was brought up. I would never ever have thought of putting 'Duke of Bedford + South Africa" into Google if there had not been this correspondence on the List. What treasures I found! Not what our correspondent wanted - well, I gave up after exploring 10 pages! - but there were lots of Boer War references, stacks on zoos and animals, of course, and a lovely Appreciation of Georgette Heyer. Did you know that GH's novel 'The Spanish Bride' was based on the Autobiography of Sir Harry Smith? I didn't, and as I lived for a while in Port Elizabeth I appreciate the book all the more. Now off to amazon.com to see if I can find a copy.... Thank you, and sorry I couldn't help more. Go well! Ivy Trott. ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 * CONFIDENTIALITY/PRIVACY NOTICE - The documents included in this transmission may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the information to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or action taken in reliance on the contents of these documents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document in error, please notify the sender immediately to arrange for return or destruction of these documents.

Hello Coral If the Duke of Bedford grew oranges and they children went to Springfield it sounds like the children were boarders ? Oranges are grown mainly in the Citrusdal and Clanwilliam regions but of course their would be other farms elsewhere. I have a house in Clanwilliam so I know just how big the citrus groves up that part of the world are. The again if they grew up in Claremont - Springfield was just a gallop down the road on Horse and Cart. Checking voters rolls and municipal directories would also be a good start. Any idea what the Duke of Bedford's "real name" was ? kind regards Heather Visit South Africa's premier Genealogy + Family History Web sites : www.familytree.co.za <http://www.familytree.co.za> + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za <http://www.ancestry.mweb.co.za> -----Original Message----- From: Foster, Coral A. [mailto:Coral.Anna.Foster@wwrc.virginia.gov] Sent: 03 March 2005 07:37 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] COX Let me just put a little "aside" in here - that "story" about the Duke of Bedford is quite probable, as his daughter attended Springfield Convent in Wynberg. So, I am sure her parents would have had domicile in SA too. If they grew oranges - that could be the northern cape area? Anyway, just thought I'd throw that in for you! Coral Anna Mt. Solon VA USA (ex Cape Town) -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Cooper [mailto:jennifer@buckspoint.f2s.com] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:53 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] COX Hi Sharon and Helen, Thank you for your reply. I certainly do have a problem especially as I have no living South African relatives that I know of to ask. My mother would not talk about her family and I never thought to ask my Grandparents when they were alive. My grandfather did tell my sister he had brothers and there was some mention that they grew oranges! I understand the property was 'next door' to land owned by the Duke of Bedford. I do have my grandmother's identity card number so I don't know if that will be of any help to track her. I think my next step will be to write to South Africa House in London as that is where my grandmother's passport was renewed. I have also subscribed to the www.familytree.co.za and hope I might find some clues there. Many thanks again Kind regards Jennifer Cooper in Milton Keynes UK www.buckspoint.f2s.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Warr" <snw@absamail.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] COX > Hi Jennifer > Welcome to the list. Unless you know where, or at least in which > denomination your grandparents were married, it is going to be a mission > to find the church entry - that is also assuming that they were married in > this country. They might also have had a civil (or court) wedding - if > that was in the Western Cape, you might find it under the HAWC marriage > files at the Cape Town Archives. It too will be a needle in haystack > search if you don't know more or less when they were married as it is in > date order and not alphabetical order. > Good luck. > Regards > Sharon Warr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jennifer Cooper" <jennifer@buckspoint.f2s.com> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:03 PM > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] COX > > >> Hi to list members. >> >> I have been lurking on this list for a few weeks now and thought it was >> about time I introduced myself. I have in the past put a message on the >> South Africa list without much success and thought that I might try >> again. >> >> I do not have very much information but I am looking for any COX >> descendants that may be around in the Cape Town area. >> >> My grandparents were Ludwig Gerhard COX b. 30th Nov.1898, S.Africa. Died >> 16th Feb.1979, England and Johanna Susarah Hendrika ? b. 1st. April, >> 1898, S Africa. Died 27th Oct. 1971, England. I recently obtained my >> parents marriage certificate which shows my grandfather as Leslie >> COX....(I assume this was anglicised because of the war) occupation >> hairdresser. My mother was Una Johanna Sophia COX b. 27 June 1925. d. >> 30th Oct. 1980. The marriage took place in the Methodist Church Claremont >> and my Grandparent's address was 45, Main Road Claremont in 1944, >> although I always knew it as Main Street, Newlands >> >> My question is where do I go from here? Should I try to get hold of my >> Mother's birth certificate and my grandparents marriage certificate >> although I have no idea when or where they were married, if so, is it >> possible to do so from England? I assume I should contact South Africa >> house in London. >> >> Does anyone remember a gent's hairdresser in Claremont? My grandfather >> would have been there presumably until they came to England in the early >> 60's. My mother's sister, Sally Harper had a cabin cruiser that took >> trips to seal island. I vaguely remember a paper cutting from the Cape >> Argus showing a photo of the Sadlers Wells ballet company taking a trip. >> >> My apologies for the length of this posting but I am clutching at straws. >> I would be grateful for any snippet of information. There are photos of >> my grandparents on my website. Also on this page if anyone is interested >> there is a photograph of the Cape Technical College Cricket Club Team >> 1950 -1951, my Uncle Llewellyn Harper is Vice Captain. >> >> Kind regards >> Jennifer Cooper >> in Milton Keynes UK >> >> http://www.buckspoint.f2s.com/coxpage.htm >> >> >> ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== >> FamilyTree.co.za.......it's the place to hang out and do your Family Tree >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> >> > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > FamilyTree.co.za.......it's the place to hang out and do your Family Tree > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. 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Hi Sharon and Helen, Thank you for your reply. I certainly do have a problem especially as I have no living South African relatives that I know of to ask. My mother would not talk about her family and I never thought to ask my Grandparents when they were alive. My grandfather did tell my sister he had brothers and there was some mention that they grew oranges! I understand the property was 'next door' to land owned by the Duke of Bedford. I do have my grandmother's identity card number so I don't know if that will be of any help to track her. I think my next step will be to write to South Africa House in London as that is where my grandmother's passport was renewed. I have also subscribed to the www.familytree.co.za and hope I might find some clues there. Many thanks again Kind regards Jennifer Cooper in Milton Keynes UK www.buckspoint.f2s.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Warr" <snw@absamail.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] COX > Hi Jennifer > Welcome to the list. Unless you know where, or at least in which > denomination your grandparents were married, it is going to be a mission > to find the church entry - that is also assuming that they were married in > this country. They might also have had a civil (or court) wedding - if > that was in the Western Cape, you might find it under the HAWC marriage > files at the Cape Town Archives. It too will be a needle in haystack > search if you don't know more or less when they were married as it is in > date order and not alphabetical order. > Good luck. > Regards > Sharon Warr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jennifer Cooper" <jennifer@buckspoint.f2s.com> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:03 PM > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] COX > > >> Hi to list members. >> >> I have been lurking on this list for a few weeks now and thought it was >> about time I introduced myself. I have in the past put a message on the >> South Africa list without much success and thought that I might try >> again. >> >> I do not have very much information but I am looking for any COX >> descendants that may be around in the Cape Town area. >> >> My grandparents were Ludwig Gerhard COX b. 30th Nov.1898, S.Africa. Died >> 16th Feb.1979, England and Johanna Susarah Hendrika ? b. 1st. April, >> 1898, S Africa. Died 27th Oct. 1971, England. I recently obtained my >> parents marriage certificate which shows my grandfather as Leslie >> COX....(I assume this was anglicised because of the war) occupation >> hairdresser. My mother was Una Johanna Sophia COX b. 27 June 1925. d. >> 30th Oct. 1980. The marriage took place in the Methodist Church Claremont >> and my Grandparent's address was 45, Main Road Claremont in 1944, >> although I always knew it as Main Street, Newlands >> >> My question is where do I go from here? Should I try to get hold of my >> Mother's birth certificate and my grandparents marriage certificate >> although I have no idea when or where they were married, if so, is it >> possible to do so from England? I assume I should contact South Africa >> house in London. >> >> Does anyone remember a gent's hairdresser in Claremont? My grandfather >> would have been there presumably until they came to England in the early >> 60's. My mother's sister, Sally Harper had a cabin cruiser that took >> trips to seal island. I vaguely remember a paper cutting from the Cape >> Argus showing a photo of the Sadlers Wells ballet company taking a trip. >> >> My apologies for the length of this posting but I am clutching at straws. >> I would be grateful for any snippet of information. There are photos of >> my grandparents on my website. Also on this page if anyone is interested >> there is a photograph of the Cape Technical College Cricket Club Team >> 1950 -1951, my Uncle Llewellyn Harper is Vice Captain. >> >> Kind regards >> Jennifer Cooper >> in Milton Keynes UK >> >> http://www.buckspoint.f2s.com/coxpage.htm >> >> >> ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== >> FamilyTree.co.za.......it's the place to hang out and do your Family Tree >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> >> > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > FamilyTree.co.za.......it's the place to hang out and do your Family Tree > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

Let me just put a little "aside" in here - that "story" about the Duke of Bedford is quite probable, as his daughter attended Springfield Convent in Wynberg. So, I am sure her parents would have had domicile in SA too. If they grew oranges - that could be the northern cape area? Anyway, just thought I'd throw that in for you! Coral Anna Mt. Solon VA USA (ex Cape Town) -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Cooper [mailto:jennifer@buckspoint.f2s.com] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:53 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] COX Hi Sharon and Helen, Thank you for your reply. I certainly do have a problem especially as I have no living South African relatives that I know of to ask. My mother would not talk about her family and I never thought to ask my Grandparents when they were alive. My grandfather did tell my sister he had brothers and there was some mention that they grew oranges! I understand the property was 'next door' to land owned by the Duke of Bedford. I do have my grandmother's identity card number so I don't know if that will be of any help to track her. I think my next step will be to write to South Africa House in London as that is where my grandmother's passport was renewed. I have also subscribed to the www.familytree.co.za and hope I might find some clues there. Many thanks again Kind regards Jennifer Cooper in Milton Keynes UK www.buckspoint.f2s.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Warr" <snw@absamail.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] COX > Hi Jennifer > Welcome to the list. Unless you know where, or at least in which > denomination your grandparents were married, it is going to be a mission > to find the church entry - that is also assuming that they were married in > this country. They might also have had a civil (or court) wedding - if > that was in the Western Cape, you might find it under the HAWC marriage > files at the Cape Town Archives. It too will be a needle in haystack > search if you don't know more or less when they were married as it is in > date order and not alphabetical order. > Good luck. > Regards > Sharon Warr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jennifer Cooper" <jennifer@buckspoint.f2s.com> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:03 PM > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] COX > > >> Hi to list members. >> >> I have been lurking on this list for a few weeks now and thought it was >> about time I introduced myself. I have in the past put a message on the >> South Africa list without much success and thought that I might try >> again. >> >> I do not have very much information but I am looking for any COX >> descendants that may be around in the Cape Town area. >> >> My grandparents were Ludwig Gerhard COX b. 30th Nov.1898, S.Africa. Died >> 16th Feb.1979, England and Johanna Susarah Hendrika ? b. 1st. April, >> 1898, S Africa. Died 27th Oct. 1971, England. I recently obtained my >> parents marriage certificate which shows my grandfather as Leslie >> COX....(I assume this was anglicised because of the war) occupation >> hairdresser. My mother was Una Johanna Sophia COX b. 27 June 1925. d. >> 30th Oct. 1980. The marriage took place in the Methodist Church Claremont >> and my Grandparent's address was 45, Main Road Claremont in 1944, >> although I always knew it as Main Street, Newlands >> >> My question is where do I go from here? Should I try to get hold of my >> Mother's birth certificate and my grandparents marriage certificate >> although I have no idea when or where they were married, if so, is it >> possible to do so from England? I assume I should contact South Africa >> house in London. >> >> Does anyone remember a gent's hairdresser in Claremont? My grandfather >> would have been there presumably until they came to England in the early >> 60's. My mother's sister, Sally Harper had a cabin cruiser that took >> trips to seal island. I vaguely remember a paper cutting from the Cape >> Argus showing a photo of the Sadlers Wells ballet company taking a trip. >> >> My apologies for the length of this posting but I am clutching at straws. >> I would be grateful for any snippet of information. There are photos of >> my grandparents on my website. Also on this page if anyone is interested >> there is a photograph of the Cape Technical College Cricket Club Team >> 1950 -1951, my Uncle Llewellyn Harper is Vice Captain. >> >> Kind regards >> Jennifer Cooper >> in Milton Keynes UK >> >> http://www.buckspoint.f2s.com/coxpage.htm >> >> >> ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== >> FamilyTree.co.za.......it's the place to hang out and do your Family Tree >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> >> > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > FamilyTree.co.za.......it's the place to hang out and do your Family Tree > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx * CONFIDENTIALITY/PRIVACY NOTICE - The documents included in this transmission may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the information to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or action taken in reliance on the contents of these documents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document in error, please notify the sender immediately to arrange for return or destruction of these documents.

Hi Jennifer Welcome to the list. Unless you know where, or at least in which denomination your grandparents were married, it is going to be a mission to find the church entry - that is also assuming that they were married in this country. They might also have had a civil (or court) wedding - if that was in the Western Cape, you might find it under the HAWC marriage files at the Cape Town Archives. It too will be a needle in haystack search if you don't know more or less when they were married as it is in date order and not alphabetical order. Good luck. Regards Sharon Warr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Cooper" <jennifer@buckspoint.f2s.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] COX > Hi to list members. > > I have been lurking on this list for a few weeks now and thought it was > about time I introduced myself. I have in the past put a message on the > South Africa list without much success and thought that I might try again. > > I do not have very much information but I am looking for any COX > descendants that may be around in the Cape Town area. > > My grandparents were Ludwig Gerhard COX b. 30th Nov.1898, S.Africa. Died > 16th Feb.1979, England and Johanna Susarah Hendrika ? b. 1st. April, > 1898, S Africa. Died 27th Oct. 1971, England. I recently obtained my > parents marriage certificate which shows my grandfather as Leslie > COX....(I assume this was anglicised because of the war) occupation > hairdresser. My mother was Una Johanna Sophia COX b. 27 June 1925. d. 30th > Oct. 1980. The marriage took place in the Methodist Church Claremont and > my Grandparent's address was 45, Main Road Claremont in 1944, although I > always knew it as Main Street, Newlands > > My question is where do I go from here? Should I try to get hold of my > Mother's birth certificate and my grandparents marriage certificate > although I have no idea when or where they were married, if so, is it > possible to do so from England? I assume I should contact South Africa > house in London. > > Does anyone remember a gent's hairdresser in Claremont? My grandfather > would have been there presumably until they came to England in the early > 60's. My mother's sister, Sally Harper had a cabin cruiser that took trips > to seal island. I vaguely remember a paper cutting from the Cape Argus > showing a photo of the Sadlers Wells ballet company taking a trip. > > My apologies for the length of this posting but I am clutching at straws. > I would be grateful for any snippet of information. There are photos of my > grandparents on my website. Also on this page if anyone is interested > there is a photograph of the Cape Technical College Cricket Club Team > 1950 -1951, my Uncle Llewellyn Harper is Vice Captain. > > Kind regards > Jennifer Cooper > in Milton Keynes UK > > http://www.buckspoint.f2s.com/coxpage.htm > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > FamilyTree.co.za.......it's the place to hang out and do your Family Tree > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > >

Hello Frank Shipping info can be hard to come by - there are some details in the Cape of Good Hope Government Gazette housed at the Cape Town Archives. Someone would have to go through them for you and that is quite a mission. Alternatively you can contact the Archives directly. The contact details can be found on their website http://www.national.archives.gov.za/index.htm and you would email the Cape Town Archives. Rergards Sharon Warr ----- Original Message ----- From: "fcm" <fcm@homemail.com.au> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 1:22 AM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Ship arrival "Anne" 1829 >I would be grateful if any lister could lookup SA records, e.g.contemporary >newspapers, or Port shipping details for arrival/departure of the Brig >"Anne" ex Rio (7.3.1829) to Hobart (3.6.1829). > It was said to have "spent a week in South Africa, provisioning.." I can > find no record in Lloyd's List. > > Frank M. Canberra > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Heather's South African Genealogy Help List > www.genealogy.co.za > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >

Hello Jennifer We have just finished transcribing a whole lot of birth records from Claremont in the Cape that are now available on www.familytree.co.za Kind regards Heather Heather MacAlister Site Coordinator www.ancestry.mweb.co.za www.familytree.co.za Learning on Line 46 Hof Street Gardens 8001 Tel: 021-481 8316 -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Cooper [mailto:jennifer@buckspoint.f2s.com] Sent: 01 March 2005 02:04 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] COX Hi to list members. I have been lurking on this list for a few weeks now and thought it was about time I introduced myself. I have in the past put a message on the South Africa list without much success and thought that I might try again. I do not have very much information but I am looking for any COX descendants that may be around in the Cape Town area. My grandparents were Ludwig Gerhard COX b. 30th Nov.1898, S.Africa. Died 16th Feb.1979, England and Johanna Susarah Hendrika ? b. 1st. April, 1898, S Africa. Died 27th Oct. 1971, England. I recently obtained my parents marriage certificate which shows my grandfather as Leslie COX....(I assume this was anglicised because of the war) occupation hairdresser. My mother was Una Johanna Sophia COX b. 27 June 1925. d. 30th Oct. 1980. The marriage took place in the Methodist Church Claremont and my Grandparent's address was 45, Main Road Claremont in 1944, although I always knew it as Main Street, Newlands My question is where do I go from here? Should I try to get hold of my Mother's birth certificate and my grandparents marriage certificate although I have no idea when or where they were married, if so, is it possible to do so from England? I assume I should contact South Africa house in London. Does anyone remember a gent's hairdresser in Claremont? My grandfather would have been there presumably until they came to England in the early 60's. My mother's sister, Sally Harper had a cabin cruiser that took trips to seal island. I vaguely remember a paper cutting from the Cape Argus showing a photo of the Sadlers Wells ballet company taking a trip. My apologies for the length of this posting but I am clutching at straws. I would be grateful for any snippet of information. There are photos of my grandparents on my website. Also on this page if anyone is interested there is a photograph of the Cape Technical College Cricket Club Team 1950 -1951, my Uncle Llewellyn Harper is Vice Captain. Kind regards Jennifer Cooper in Milton Keynes UK http://www.buckspoint.f2s.com/coxpage.htm ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== FamilyTree.co.za.......it's the place to hang out and do your Family Tree ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Hi to list members. I have been lurking on this list for a few weeks now and thought it was about time I introduced myself. I have in the past put a message on the South Africa list without much success and thought that I might try again. I do not have very much information but I am looking for any COX descendants that may be around in the Cape Town area. My grandparents were Ludwig Gerhard COX b. 30th Nov.1898, S.Africa. Died 16th Feb.1979, England and Johanna Susarah Hendrika ? b. 1st. April, 1898, S Africa. Died 27th Oct. 1971, England. I recently obtained my parents marriage certificate which shows my grandfather as Leslie COX....(I assume this was anglicised because of the war) occupation hairdresser. My mother was Una Johanna Sophia COX b. 27 June 1925. d. 30th Oct. 1980. The marriage took place in the Methodist Church Claremont and my Grandparent's address was 45, Main Road Claremont in 1944, although I always knew it as Main Street, Newlands My question is where do I go from here? Should I try to get hold of my Mother's birth certificate and my grandparents marriage certificate although I have no idea when or where they were married, if so, is it possible to do so from England? I assume I should contact South Africa house in London. Does anyone remember a gent's hairdresser in Claremont? My grandfather would have been there presumably until they came to England in the early 60's. My mother's sister, Sally Harper had a cabin cruiser that took trips to seal island. I vaguely remember a paper cutting from the Cape Argus showing a photo of the Sadlers Wells ballet company taking a trip. My apologies for the length of this posting but I am clutching at straws. I would be grateful for any snippet of information. There are photos of my grandparents on my website. Also on this page if anyone is interested there is a photograph of the Cape Technical College Cricket Club Team 1950 -1951, my Uncle Llewellyn Harper is Vice Captain. Kind regards Jennifer Cooper in Milton Keynes UK http://www.buckspoint.f2s.com/coxpage.htm

I would be grateful if any lister could lookup SA records, e.g.contemporary newspapers, or Port shipping details for arrival/departure of the Brig "Anne" ex Rio (7.3.1829) to Hobart (3.6.1829). It was said to have "spent a week in South Africa, provisioning.." I can find no record in Lloyd's List. Frank M. Canberra

Well, well - that's a prime example of how time warps memories! Thank you, Sharon. Go well! Ivy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Warr" <snw@absamail.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] White Horse Inn (not the song!) > Hi Ivy > As far as I can ascertain, the establishment was not the White Horse Inn > but the White House Hotel and it was situated on the corner of Strand and > Long Street (no 46). > Regards > Sharon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ivy Trott" <ivytrott@telkomsa.net> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 5:29 PM > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] White Horse Inn (not the song!) > > >> The man I am trying to trace is RICHARD BOOKER BIDENCOPE, whose family >> are well-known in Hobart, Tasmania. Not much is known about Richard, >> however. >> >> He seems to have been living at White Horse, Strand Street, Cape Town and >> joined the Scotts Railway Guards. I am sure that I can get his army >> papers and find out where he was wounded. Not sure if he volunteered >> simply because he was living in Cape Town, or whether he came with that >> purpose in mind. He returned to the Cape Town address after being shot >> and wounded, and on recovery, rejoined the army as a trooper. He >> eventually returned to Tasmania but nobody in the family knew anything >> much about this, and certainly don't have his medals. >> >> I haven't been to Cape Town for ages, but have a recollection of a >> building with a white horse's head on it - but was it in Strand Street? >> Just hope some local historian knows something about the building. >> >> Thank you, and go well! Ivy Trott. >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005 >> >> >> ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== >> FamilyTree.co.za.......it's the place to hang out and do your Family Tree >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> >> > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > Cape Town Family History Society > www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.1 - Release Date: 27/02/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.1 - Release Date: 27/02/2005

Hi Ivy As far as I can ascertain, the establishment was not the White Horse Inn but the White House Hotel and it was situated on the corner of Strand and Long Street (no 46). Regards Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivy Trott" <ivytrott@telkomsa.net> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 5:29 PM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] White Horse Inn (not the song!) > The man I am trying to trace is RICHARD BOOKER BIDENCOPE, whose family are > well-known in Hobart, Tasmania. Not much is known about Richard, however. > > He seems to have been living at White Horse, Strand Street, Cape Town and > joined the Scotts Railway Guards. I am sure that I can get his army > papers and find out where he was wounded. Not sure if he volunteered > simply because he was living in Cape Town, or whether he came with that > purpose in mind. He returned to the Cape Town address after being shot > and wounded, and on recovery, rejoined the army as a trooper. He > eventually returned to Tasmania but nobody in the family knew anything > much about this, and certainly don't have his medals. > > I haven't been to Cape Town for ages, but have a recollection of a > building with a white horse's head on it - but was it in Strand Street? > Just hope some local historian knows something about the building. > > Thank you, and go well! Ivy Trott. > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005 > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > FamilyTree.co.za.......it's the place to hang out and do your Family Tree > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > >

Hello Sharon I looked up in few books specifically the "Précis of the Archives of the Cape of Good Hope: requesten" to see if anything appeared on Sitia but nothing appears in Volume one. The word Krom Elboog probably means a "a bend in the road" thus the description for its name or perhaps someone had a something wrong with their elbow ? kind regards Heather Visit South Africa's premier Genealogy + Family History Web sites : www.familytree.co.za <http://www.familytree.co.za> + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za <http://www.ancestry.mweb.co.za> -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Warr [mailto:snw@absamail.co.za] Sent: 25 February 2005 10:14 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Kromme Elleboog??? Hello to All Whenever I am in town, near to the Houses of Parliament, I have noticed a little lane called "Krom Elmboog" and have wondered at its origins. Recently again in something I was reading I came across a reference to a washerwoman, Sitia van die Kaap, living at number 16 Kromme Elleboog. Has anyone any idea how this street got its name? Regards Sharon Warr ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== FamilyTree.co.za.......it's the place to hang out and do your Family Tree ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Thank you so much for this interesting reply which I will mention to Irene Schaffer. I think she may have obtained some of his army papers, and will see if she can give some more leads. I must see if I can find a picture of the inn. Your kind co-operation is much appreciated. Go well! Ivy Trott. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David and Mary Bossenger" <dmbza@telkomsa.net> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] White Horse Inn (not the song!) > The White Horse Inn was on the NW corner of Strand and Long Streets and > was > a boarding house. I think it was demolished in the 70s or 80s. It did > not have a good reputation at the time and was mainly short term rents. > It > was a beautiful old building with a lots of "Brookie Lace" if I remember > correctly! > In my commemorative edition of the Cape Town and Suburban Town Guard there > is no mention of him being a member of No 23 (Scott's) Company neither > under > BOOKER or BIDENCOPE or close approximations thereof. Scott's was also > not > a railway company. These were "B" Railway Company and "D" Company, Cape > Government Railways and his name is in neither of them. This is not to > say he was never a member as this is a photographic record of a specific > time. > As far as I am aware there are also no records of service as this was a > volunteer organisation similar to the Home Guard in the UK in WWII > Regards, > David B > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ivy Trott [mailto:ivytrott@telkomsa.net] > Sent: 27 February 2005 05:29 > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] White Horse Inn (not the song!) > > > The man I am trying to trace is RICHARD BOOKER BIDENCOPE, whose family are > well-known in Hobart, Tasmania. Not much is known about Richard, however. > > He seems to have been living at White Horse, Strand Street, Cape Town and > joined the Scott's Railway Guards. I am sure that I can get his army > papers > and find out where he was wounded. Not sure if he volunteered simply > because he was living in Cape Town, or whether he came with that purpose > in > mind. He returned to the Cape Town address after being shot and wounded, > and on recovery, rejoined the army as a trooper. He eventually returned > to > Tasmania but nobody in the family knew anything much about this, and > certainly don't have his medals. > > I haven't been to Cape Town for ages, but have a recollection of a > building > with a white horse's head on it - but was it in Strand Street? Just hope > some local historian knows something about the building. > > Thank you, and go well! Ivy Trott. > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005 > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > FamilyTree.co.za.......it's the place to hang out and do your Family Tree > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > FamilyTree.co.za.......it's the place to hang out and do your Family Tree > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005

The White Horse Inn was on the NW corner of Strand and Long Streets and was a boarding house. I think it was demolished in the 70s or 80s. It did not have a good reputation at the time and was mainly short term rents. It was a beautiful old building with a lots of "Brookie Lace" if I remember correctly! In my commemorative edition of the Cape Town and Suburban Town Guard there is no mention of him being a member of No 23 (Scott's) Company neither under BOOKER or BIDENCOPE or close approximations thereof. Scott's was also not a railway company. These were "B" Railway Company and "D" Company, Cape Government Railways and his name is in neither of them. This is not to say he was never a member as this is a photographic record of a specific time. As far as I am aware there are also no records of service as this was a volunteer organisation similar to the Home Guard in the UK in WWII Regards, David B -----Original Message----- From: Ivy Trott [mailto:ivytrott@telkomsa.net] Sent: 27 February 2005 05:29 To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] White Horse Inn (not the song!) The man I am trying to trace is RICHARD BOOKER BIDENCOPE, whose family are well-known in Hobart, Tasmania. Not much is known about Richard, however. He seems to have been living at White Horse, Strand Street, Cape Town and joined the Scott's Railway Guards. I am sure that I can get his army papers and find out where he was wounded. Not sure if he volunteered simply because he was living in Cape Town, or whether he came with that purpose in mind. He returned to the Cape Town address after being shot and wounded, and on recovery, rejoined the army as a trooper. He eventually returned to Tasmania but nobody in the family knew anything much about this, and certainly don't have his medals. I haven't been to Cape Town for ages, but have a recollection of a building with a white horse's head on it - but was it in Strand Street? Just hope some local historian knows something about the building. Thank you, and go well! Ivy Trott. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005 ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== FamilyTree.co.za.......it's the place to hang out and do your Family Tree ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

I seem to be inundating you all with queries to-day. Someone in England saw my queries on the Devon List about Pentecost and asks me if I know some in Australia.... well, I hardly know them in Cape Town yet, but if any of you are researching the family and know of an Australian branch, do please tell me about it. Thank you, Ivy Trott. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005

Thank you to the Listers who answered my plaintive plea! Heather in particular has winkled some really interesting information for me. Some of you may recall that I have been trying to find something about WILLIAM HENRY HENDRICK. Have found the Death Notice of his mother, ANN, but not much information on it - obviously all that they had in the hospital records when she died. Definitely establishes William as her son, though, and says she was born in the Cape Colony. Now we thought she was born in Holland, but had no maiden name.... I know that she lived in Barrack Street, Cape Town, and other family members named MEYER were there also. In fact Meyer was William's wife's surname. She was GEORGINA MARIA MEYER and her father was JOSEPH MEYER but at some time he was also called MYERS. If anyone has any info on them I would be very grateful. Thank you, and go well. Ivy Trott. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005

The man I am trying to trace is RICHARD BOOKER BIDENCOPE, whose family are well-known in Hobart, Tasmania. Not much is known about Richard, however. He seems to have been living at White Horse, Strand Street, Cape Town and joined the Scotts Railway Guards. I am sure that I can get his army papers and find out where he was wounded. Not sure if he volunteered simply because he was living in Cape Town, or whether he came with that purpose in mind. He returned to the Cape Town address after being shot and wounded, and on recovery, rejoined the army as a trooper. He eventually returned to Tasmania but nobody in the family knew anything much about this, and certainly don't have his medals. I haven't been to Cape Town for ages, but have a recollection of a building with a white horse's head on it - but was it in Strand Street? Just hope some local historian knows something about the building. Thank you, and go well! Ivy Trott. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005

Hello Ivy Do you have any idea what the subjects name is ? Street Directories such as Juta's etc would list hotels and inns and their proprietors and perhaps if you a are lucky an advertisement for the establishment. kind regards Heather Visit South Africa's premier Genealogy + Family History Web sites : www.familytree.co.za <http://www.familytree.co.za> + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za <http://www.ancestry.mweb.co.za> -----Original Message----- From: Ivy Trott [mailto:ivytrott@telkomsa.net] Sent: 27 February 2005 02:53 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] White Horse Inn Irene Schaffer, a Tasmanian historical writer, has asked me if I can find out anything about the White Horse Inn which was in Strand Street at the time of the Boer War. Her present research subject was a member of Kitchener's Bodyguard and > apparently stayed there before taking part in action, and later recuperating from wounds. If anyone can point me to good research sites I would be very grateful. Thank you, Ivy Trott. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005 ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hello Ivy Sydney Pentecost definitely did spend some time here - there is an illiquid case where he was being asked for money. DEPOT KAB SOURCE CSC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 2/1/1/325 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 166 PART 1 DESCRIPTION ILLIQUID CASE. LUCY CATHERINE NEEZER VERSUS SYDNEY SMITH PENTECOST. ACTION FOR THE RECOVERY OF MONEY. STARTING 18950000 ENDING 18950000 You can either write to the archives personally, go to the archives yourself, ask someone one the mailing list or pay a researcher for the information. kind regards Heather Visit South Africa's premier Genealogy + Family History Web sites : www.familytree.co.za <http://www.familytree.co.za> + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za <http://www.ancestry.mweb.co.za> -----Original Message----- From: Ivy Trott [mailto:ivytrott@telkomsa.net] Sent: 27 February 2005 03:00 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Is anyone researching the name of Pentecost? Sidney Smith Pentecost, said to be born in Exeter, 1853, possibly immigrated here from Bridgwater in Somerset. Thank you, and go well! Ivy Trott. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005 ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx