Hi Pat, It's terrible when one gets old and only feint memories remain. You might have to do a google to find out the equivalent of 'rood' but I seem to remember that it was so many 'Cape feet' which were bigger that 'English feet'. Loop Street still exists and is a main road parallel to and one up towards Signal Hill from Long Street. It has now become very commercial. Buitenkant Street still exists and is where I grew up as a child. I am not sure exactly where the Grove was but if it was between Buitenkant and Hope Streets then it would have been either in Glynn, Wesley or Roodehek (starting from Roeland Street and working towards TM. Below Wesley in Buitenkant is Rust-en-Vreugd. There is another old manor house in Delft Street off Roeland that is still there but I doubt if it is the one referred to. I cannot remember any large houses in Glynn Street at all. In Wesley Street closer to Hope than Buitenkant was a large old house which had a dairy depot behind it in the 1940s/50s. This closed down in the late 50s/60s and I think that the house was demolished some time after that. In Roodehek there were three possibilities, one on the SW corner with Buitenkant which was at one stage a fish processing factory! And then next door to it a large house, and I am now trying to recall some 45 to 50 years ago, which may have been called the Grove and next door to it another large house. They were both demolished in the late 1950s very early 1960s within a few years of each other and commercial buildings erected. I cannot find Amandelboom and Sutherland at any appropriate places on today's maps but if you remember there was a Roggebaai down near where the Foreshore now is. Not having thought about these things for some time the recollections are a little hazy. What I can do for you if you want it is to photograph a map of central CT and send it to you. Regards, David B -----Original Message----- From: patfryk [mailto:patfryk@clear.net.nz] Sent: 20 July 2005 08:11 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Buitenkant, Loop street etc. This description of properties is from an insolvency account Cape Town 1860-64. "House and premises Loop St Blok 1 8 & 9 marked 98 17 sq rd,83 Sq ft,96 sq inches." "3 lots 9.10.11 of divided estate The Grove situated Buitenkant. 44 Sq rd 76 sq ft." "Freehold land between the Grove and a new Street joining Hope street in the Buitenkant 12 Sq rd" "Amendelboom, Sutherland." Could someone please tell me:- 1. Loop street still exists (or did in the 1930s) Does the Blok1 and those numbers give any clue about just where this proerty might be in today's map? 2.What and where was "The Grove" 3. Was Buitenkant then a 'suburb' ? I recall a Buitenkant street. 4. I cannot for the life of me remember my area tables (never could) the Sq roods etc.. .Approximately what size in today's terms. 5. And where is Amandelboom and Sutherland (there is a feint word Rogger? between these two names.) I realise that over 150 years Cape Town may have changed a bit, but a rough idea will help me fix the place! Many thanks Pat ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books www.sagenealogy.co.za ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hello Colyn You need to fetch the key from the undertaker Regards Heather Heather MacAlister Web Site Manager for: www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za E-Centre 46 Hof Street Gardens 8001 Cape Town SOUTH AFRICA Tel: +27-21-481-8316 Fax: +27-21-481-8333 -----Original Message----- From: Colyn Brookes [mailto:culvwrcm@bmh.co.za] Sent: 21 July 2005 06:12 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Wynberg Hi Could someone please remind me where I can obtain the keys to the Wynberg, Church Street, Cemetery ? Thanks Colyn Brookes Project Director MIBISA (Military Burials In South Africa) Archive Project Volunteer, British War Memorial Project National Coordinator South African War Graves Project, Canada SA Coordinator, Australian War Graves Photograph Archives http://mibisa.fotopic.net/ http://sapanorama.fotopic.net/ mibisa@mweb.co.za cedwardb@mweb.co.za Tel/Fax +27-21-930-2752 Mobile 083-252-0450 ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books www.sagenealogy.co.za ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429

Hi Could someone please remind me where I can obtain the keys to the Wynberg, Church Street, Cemetery ? Thanks Colyn Brookes Project Director MIBISA (Military Burials In South Africa) Archive Project Volunteer, British War Memorial Project National Coordinator South African War Graves Project, Canada SA Coordinator, Australian War Graves Photograph Archives http://mibisa.fotopic.net/ http://sapanorama.fotopic.net/ mibisa@mweb.co.za cedwardb@mweb.co.za Tel/Fax +27-21-930-2752 Mobile 083-252-0450

This description of properties is from an insolvency account Cape Town 1860-64. "House and premises Loop St Blok 1 8 & 9 marked 98 17 sq rd,83 Sq ft,96 sq inches." "3 lots 9.10.11 of divided estate The Grove situated Buitenkant. 44 Sq rd 76 sq ft." "Freehold land between the Grove and a new Street joining Hope street in the Buitenkant 12 Sq rd" "Amendelboom, Sutherland." Could someone please tell me:- 1. Loop street still exists (or did in the 1930s) Does the Blok1 and those numbers give any clue about just where this proerty might be in today's map? 2.What and where was "The Grove" 3. Was Buitenkant then a 'suburb' ? I recall a Buitenkant street. 4. I cannot for the life of me remember my area tables (never could) the Sq roods etc.. .Approximately what size in today's terms. 5. And where is Amandelboom and Sutherland (there is a feint word Rogger? between these two names.) I realise that over 150 years Cape Town may have changed a bit, but a rough idea will help me fix the place! Many thanks Pat

Heather and Listers, Please try http://www.lib.sun.ac.za/Archive/Archive.exe regards, Elva Begin forwarded message: > From: Elva Hanly <theaviary@bigpond.com> > Date: 19 July 2005 2:35:48 PM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Watson-Lockley Photographic Collection > > Hi Heather, > > Is it just me - I just cannot make a connection to the University > Library site at: > http://www.lib.sun.ac.za/Archive > to view the unedited images? Perhaps I've misunderstood and will have > to wait for the collection in 1-2 months. > Regards, > Elva > > >> From: "Heather MacAlister - LearningOnline" >> <Heather@learningonline.co.za> >> Date: 18 July 2005 6:40:36 PM >> To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Watson-Lockley Photographic Collection >> >> >> Morning All >> >> I have just been informed by Dr. Hans Heese that within a month of >> two Stellebosch University will have our collection of pictures - >> with dates and names - of about 35 000 pictures covering the period >> circa 1905-1965 available on the web. People will then be able to >> date pictures by comparing the dress of the period. >> >> The Watson-Lockley Photographic Collection, consisting of 30 000 >> photographic glass negatives, is one of the most important >> collections housed in the University Archives. >> JH Watson was a prominent photographer at Stellenbosch. He set up >> business in Stellenbosch in 1873 and his collection of photographic >> negatives visually reflects academic and social life of the >> University of Stellenbosch and its predecessors - as well as the >> Stellenbosch community at large. In 1927 Colin Lockley took over the >> studio and sold it to Cor Langenberg in 1960. >> The University acquired the glass negative collection in the 1980's. >> After moving around between the University Library and Museum, the >> collection was deposited in the University Archives in 1996. >> As the number on the negatives corresponds with an entry in journal - >> stating the date the photograph was taken and supplemented by the >> name of the person or subject, address the photograph was sent to and >> other details - the negatives have intrinsic historical value. >> In 1999 a start was made with the scanning of the negatives and >> connecting them to the biographical details of the subjects. In 2000 >> an electronic link was made between the scanned images and the names >> recorded in the journals. The work is still in progress but the >> (unedited) images may be viewed on the University Library site at: >> http://www.lib.sun.ac.za/Archive >> >> >> Heather MacAlister >> Web Site Manager for: >> www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za >>   >> E-Centre >> 46 Hof Street >> Gardens >> 8001 >> Cape Town >> SOUTH AFRICA >>   >> Tel:  +27-21-481-8316 >> Fax: +27-21-481-8333 >> _______________________________________

Hi Heather, Is it just me - I just cannot make a connection to the University Library site at: http://www.lib.sun.ac.za/Archive to view the unedited images? Perhaps I've misunderstood and will have to wait for the collection in 1-2 months. Regards, Elva > From: "Heather MacAlister - LearningOnline" > <Heather@learningonline.co.za> > Date: 18 July 2005 6:40:36 PM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Watson-Lockley Photographic Collection > > > Morning All > > I have just been informed by Dr. Hans Heese that within a month of > two Stellebosch University will have our collection of pictures - with > dates and names - of about 35 000 pictures covering the period circa > 1905-1965 available on the web. People will then be able to date > pictures by comparing the dress of the period. > > The Watson-Lockley Photographic Collection, consisting of 30 000 > photographic glass negatives, is one of the most important collections > housed in the University Archives. > JH Watson was a prominent photographer at Stellenbosch. He set up > business in Stellenbosch in 1873 and his collection of photographic > negatives visually reflects academic and social life of the University > of Stellenbosch and its predecessors - as well as the Stellenbosch > community at large. In 1927 Colin Lockley took over the studio and > sold it to Cor Langenberg in 1960. > The University acquired the glass negative collection in the 1980's. > After moving around between the University Library and Museum, the > collection was deposited in the University Archives in 1996. > As the number on the negatives corresponds with an entry in journal - > stating the date the photograph was taken and supplemented by the name > of the person or subject, address the photograph was sent to and other > details - the negatives have intrinsic historical value. > In 1999 a start was made with the scanning of the negatives and > connecting them to the biographical details of the subjects. In 2000 > an electronic link was made between the scanned images and the names > recorded in the journals. The work is still in progress but the > (unedited) images may be viewed on the University Library site at: > http://www.lib.sun.ac.za/Archive > > > Heather MacAlister > Web Site Manager for: > www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za >   > E-Centre > 46 Hof Street > Gardens > 8001 > Cape Town > SOUTH AFRICA >   > Tel:  +27-21-481-8316 > Fax: +27-21-481-8333 > _______________________________________

Morning Elva Oops I forgot the file extension http://www.sun.ac.za/Archive/index.html Regards Heather Too early in the morning Heather MacAlister Web Site Manager for: www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za E-Centre 46 Hof Street Gardens 8001 Cape Town SOUTH AFRICA Tel: +27-21-481-8316 Fax: +27-21-481-8333 -----Original Message----- From: Elva Hanly [mailto:theaviary@bigpond.com] Sent: 19 July 2005 06:36 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Re: Watson-Lockley Photographic Collection Hi Heather, Is it just me - I just cannot make a connection to the University Library site at: http://www.lib.sun.ac.za/Archive to view the unedited images? Perhaps I've misunderstood and will have to wait for the collection in 1-2 months. Regards, Elva > From: "Heather MacAlister - LearningOnline" > <Heather@learningonline.co.za> > Date: 18 July 2005 6:40:36 PM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Watson-Lockley Photographic Collection > > > Morning All > > I have just been informed by Dr. Hans Heese that within a month of > two Stellebosch University will have our collection of pictures - with > dates and names - of about 35 000 pictures covering the period circa > 1905-1965 available on the web. People will then be able to date > pictures by comparing the dress of the period. > > The Watson-Lockley Photographic Collection, consisting of 30 000 > photographic glass negatives, is one of the most important collections > housed in the University Archives. > JH Watson was a prominent photographer at Stellenbosch. He set up > business in Stellenbosch in 1873 and his collection of photographic > negatives visually reflects academic and social life of the University > of Stellenbosch and its predecessors - as well as the Stellenbosch > community at large. In 1927 Colin Lockley took over the studio and > sold it to Cor Langenberg in 1960. > The University acquired the glass negative collection in the 1980's. > After moving around between the University Library and Museum, the > collection was deposited in the University Archives in 1996. > As the number on the negatives corresponds with an entry in journal - > stating the date the photograph was taken and supplemented by the name > of the person or subject, address the photograph was sent to and other > details - the negatives have intrinsic historical value. > In 1999 a start was made with the scanning of the negatives and > connecting them to the biographical details of the subjects. In 2000 > an electronic link was made between the scanned images and the names > recorded in the journals. The work is still in progress but the > (unedited) images may be viewed on the University Library site at: > http://www.lib.sun.ac.za/Archive > > > Heather MacAlister > Web Site Manager for: > www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za >   > E-Centre > 46 Hof Street > Gardens > 8001 > Cape Town > SOUTH AFRICA >   > Tel:  +27-21-481-8316 > Fax: +27-21-481-8333 > _______________________________________ ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books www.sagenealogy.co.za ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

PS - apologies it should not read "our collection" but "a collection" Regards Heather Heather MacAlister Web Site Manager for: www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za E-Centre 46 Hof Street Gardens 8001 Cape Town SOUTH AFRICA Tel: +27-21-481-8316 Fax: +27-21-481-8333 -----Original Message-----

Morning All I have just been informed by Dr. Hans Heese that within a month of two Stellebosch University will have our collection of pictures - with dates and names - of about 35 000 pictures covering the period circa 1905-1965 available on the web. People will then be able to date pictures by comparing the dress of the period. The Watson-Lockley Photographic Collection, consisting of 30 000 photographic glass negatives, is one of the most important collections housed in the University Archives. JH Watson was a prominent photographer at Stellenbosch. He set up business in Stellenbosch in 1873 and his collection of photographic negatives visually reflects academic and social life of the University of Stellenbosch and its predecessors - as well as the Stellenbosch community at large. In 1927 Colin Lockley took over the studio and sold it to Cor Langenberg in 1960. The University acquired the glass negative collection in the 1980's. After moving around between the University Library and Museum, the collection was deposited in the University Archives in 1996. As the number on the negatives corresponds with an entry in journal - stating the date the photograph was taken and supplemented by the name of the person or subject, address the photograph was sent to and other details - the negatives have intrinsic historical value. In 1999 a start was made with the scanning of the negatives and connecting them to the biographical details of the subjects. In 2000 an electronic link was made between the scanned images and the names recorded in the journals. The work is still in progress but the (unedited) images may be viewed on the University Library site at: http://www.lib.sun.ac.za/Archive Heather MacAlister Web Site Manager for: www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za   E-Centre 46 Hof Street Gardens 8001 Cape Town SOUTH AFRICA   Tel:  +27-21-481-8316 Fax: +27-21-481-8333 ________________________________________

Sharon, How I wish I could be there! Very fond memories of the UC line and also Safmarine... worked for about 15 yrs. for insurance brokerage that covered Saf. That UC line must have touched every SA family one way or the other!! I'll be there in spirit!! :O) Coral Anna -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Warr [mailto:snw@absamail.co.za] Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 6:44 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Union Castle Line - CTFH Society Meeting Good Day All The Cape Town Family History Society will be holding their next meeting on Saturday 16th July 2005. We are excited to have Mr Brian Ingpen talk to us on the history of the famous Union Castle Line. Many of us will have fond memories of one kind or another !! Mr Ingpen MA, has had 23 years experience in education. was Headmaster at Simon's Town School from 1986 - 1990 and of Pinelands High School from 1990 - 1996. He has spent time in the South African Navy and in Safmarine, and has written four books on Maritime history. Details as follows: VENUE: Wynberg Boys' High School, Lovers Walk, Wynberg DATE: Saturday 16th July, 2005 TIME: 2:30pm Non Members R8.00 (which includes tea) Members R3.00 for tea As this is sure to be a popular event please make sure you arrive early to get your seat. Regards Sharon Warr South African Genealogy - Lots of links, passenger lists, Immigrants and more - www.sagenealogy.co.za Scribes Publishing - South African historical resources on CD www.sagenealogy.co.za/scribes.htm ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books www.sagenealogy.co.za ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx * CONFIDENTIALITY/PRIVACY NOTICE - The documents included in this transmission may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the information to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or action taken in reliance on the contents of these documents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document in error, please notify the sender immediately to arrange for return or destruction of these documents.

Good Day All The Cape Town Family History Society will be holding their next meeting on Saturday 16th July 2005. We are excited to have Mr Brian Ingpen talk to us on the history of the famous Union Castle Line. Many of us will have fond memories of one kind or another !! Mr Ingpen MA, has had 23 years experience in education. was Headmaster at Simon's Town School from 1986 - 1990 and of Pinelands High School from 1990 - 1996. He has spent time in the South African Navy and in Safmarine, and has written four books on Maritime history. Details as follows: VENUE: Wynberg Boys' High School, Lovers Walk, Wynberg DATE: Saturday 16th July, 2005 TIME: 2:30pm Non Members R8.00 (which includes tea) Members R3.00 for tea As this is sure to be a popular event please make sure you arrive early to get your seat. Regards Sharon Warr South African Genealogy - Lots of links, passenger lists, Immigrants and more - www.sagenealogy.co.za Scribes Publishing - South African historical resources on CD www.sagenealogy.co.za/scribes.htm

Hello list, Am in the UK and still trying to find the whereabouts of the Wybrow family arriving in Cape Town round about 1900. See that looks ups in the Cape Almanacs bear some fruit. Would love some help here. Harry Dolph, the father was a master mosaic worker and was "imported" with entire family by a company. Never been able to find out whidch one. Many thanks, Coleen Blij >From: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-D-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com >To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-D Digest V05 #68 >Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:00:19 -0600 > >Content-Type: text/plain > >SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 68 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Lost Halkets ["Wes Halket" ><mowesh@bigpond.net.a] > #2 Re:Tracing a Cape Town birth [Submariner12345@aol.com] > #3 RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Lost ["Heather MacAlister - >LearningOnli] > #4 RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Re:Tr ["Heather MacAlister - >LearningOnli] > #5 Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Re:Tr [Submariner12345@aol.com] > #6 RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Re:Tr ["Heather MacAlister - >LearningOnli] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-D, send a message to > > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-D list administrator, send mail to >SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-admin@rootsweb.com. > >______________________________ >X-Message: #1 >Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:13:26 +1000 >From: "Wes Halket" <mowesh@bigpond.net.au> >To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <001301c57dfb$9cb15da0$0100000a@wes1db61bd3f58> >Subject: Lost Halkets >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi, I am trying to trace the descendants of two family members, James >Halket b Abt.1876 in Glasgow and Alexander b.Abt1879. Both migrated to >South Africa, arriving Durban about 1911. Alexander is said to have >married and had a son Arthur. James was at one time an Locomotive driver >with SA Railways. Both later ran some kind of shop or emporium. Any info >would be greatly appreciated. Wes Halket > >______________________________ >X-Message: #2 >Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 01:40:21 EDT >From: Submariner12345@aol.com >To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <6a.5879c915.2ff63145@aol.com> >Subject: Re:Tracing a Cape Town birth >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Hi all, can anyone advise me how I can obtain a birth certificate for a >birth which occurred in Cape Town in 1848, the subjects parents were born >in >Britain and she later returned back to Britain to live. Any help or advice >would >be appreciated. Thanks >Michael Morgan > >______________________________ >X-Message: #3 >Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 07:41:18 +0200 >From: "Heather MacAlister - LearningOnline" <Heather@learningonline.co.za> >To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <58406C2000AFF24593D5D52CCA2D495C4EBFB3@test.familytree.co.za> >Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Lost Halkets >Content-class: urn:content-classes:message >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Hello Wes > >John Halkett was born in Scotland in 1836 and died in Rondebosch Cape >Town on 23/2/1887. He was the son of James and Margaret S. Halkett. He >married Johanna Catherina Taute in George on 9/3/1864. She was born in >1856. > >Their children were: > >James Taute Halkett >Alex Colin >Patric Arthur >William Henry >Charles Hugh >Andrew Douglas >Florence Edith >Charlotte Constance >John born in Rondebosch who died unmarried in Roodepoort on 5/2/1915. > >The Halketts are still alive and kicking in Cape Town today. > >There are about fifteen records relating to this family at >www.familytree.co.za > >Kind regards >Heather > >Heather MacAlister >Web Site Manager for: >www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za > >E-Centre >46 Hof Street >Gardens >8001 >Cape Town >SOUTH AFRICA > >Tel: +27-21-481-8316 >Fax: +27-21-481-8333 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Wes Halket [mailto:mowesh@bigpond.net.au] >Sent: 01 July 2005 07:13 AM >To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Lost Halkets > >Hi, I am trying to trace the descendants of two family members, James >Halket b Abt.1876 in Glasgow and Alexander b.Abt1879. Both migrated to >South Africa, arriving Durban about 1911. Alexander is said to have >married and had a son Arthur. James was at one time an Locomotive driver >with SA Railways. Both later ran some kind of shop or emporium. Any info >would be greatly appreciated. Wes Halket > > >==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== >Cape Town Family History Society >www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >Learn more: >http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 >9&targetid=5429 > >______________________________ >X-Message: #4 >Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 07:43:39 +0200 >From: "Heather MacAlister - LearningOnline" <Heather@learningonline.co.za> >To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <58406C2000AFF24593D5D52CCA2D495C4EBFB5@test.familytree.co.za> >Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Re:Tracing a Cape Town birth >Content-class: urn:content-classes:message >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Hello Michael > >Unfortunately birth certificates only came into existence in 1895 - so >you will find nothing before then except perhaps a baptism, >You will of course need to have an idea to which denomination they >belonged to. > >If you can give some names we may be able to help you ? > >Kind regards >Heather > > >Heather MacAlister >Web Site Manager for: >www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za > >E-Centre >46 Hof Street >Gardens >8001 >Cape Town >SOUTH AFRICA > >Tel: +27-21-481-8316 >Fax: +27-21-481-8333 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Submariner12345@aol.com [mailto:Submariner12345@aol.com] >Sent: 01 July 2005 07:40 AM >To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Re:Tracing a Cape Town birth > > >Hi all, can anyone advise me how I can obtain a birth certificate for a > >birth which occurred in Cape Town in 1848, the subjects parents were >born in >Britain and she later returned back to Britain to live. Any help or >advice would >be appreciated. Thanks >Michael Morgan > > >==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== >Cape Town Family History Society >www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >______________________________ >X-Message: #5 >Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 02:12:57 EDT >From: Submariner12345@aol.com >To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <1a2.36ab7b1b.2ff638e9@aol.com> >Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Re:Tracing a Cape Town birth >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Hi Heather > Thanks for your advice. My person I'm trying to trace was called EMMA >NEVIILE, she was born in Capetown in 1848, her fathers name which appaers >on her >British marriage certificate in June1871 was ROBERT NEVILLE, her father was >stated as being a builder. I think she was married in a Presbyterian >church, >though I am not 100% sure. After this I have very little information on her >family. >If you can help it would be much appreciated. > >Many thanks. > >Michael Morgan > >______________________________ >X-Message: #6 >Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:15:16 +0200 >From: "Heather MacAlister - LearningOnline" <Heather@learningonline.co.za> >To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <58406C2000AFF24593D5D52CCA2D495C4EC004@test.familytree.co.za> >Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Re:Tracing a Cape Town birth >Content-class: urn:content-classes:message >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Hello Michael > >I checked in the 1849 Cape Almanac and found a Robert Neville of a >carpenter of 8 Hout Street, Cape Town. > >I did come across a Robert Neville on www.familytree.co.za who was >baptised in St.Georges Cathedral - this is a big possibility. > >I am co-ordinating a project at the moment to transcribe the St. Georges >Registers so it will be a few weeks until more until the transcriptions >get under way - you will probably find more siblings. > >However St. Andrews Scottish Presbyterian Church in Strand Street, Cape >Town was the first in South Africa. > > >In 1806 Britain sent the Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders Regiment to >the Cape as an occupying force. These Scottish soldiers were an >unusually devout group of Presbyterians. Although they had no chaplain >or minister of their own, they formed themselves into "The Calvinist >Society" which met every week for prayer, Bible study and public >worship. They continued their religious activities until 1814, always >inviting oassing missionaries to preach for them. > >In 1812 the Rev George Thom arrived at the Cape. He was a Presbyterian >minister on his way to India as a missionary with the London Missionary >Society (LMS). After meeting with the Calvinist Society he decided to >stay at the Cape and the first Presbyterian Church was established >there. In 1814 the Scottish regiment was withdrawn from the Cape and the >Presbyterian congregation was almost totally depleted. In 1818 the Rev >George Thom resigned his charge and the first Presbyterian Church >virtually came to an end. > >The setback was only temporary. In 1824 the once more growing number of >Presbyterians re-established the congregation and built a church. >Completed in 1827, it stands to this day in Cape Town and is known as >"the Mother Church" of the Presbyterians in Southern Africa. The Rev >John Adamson arrived from Scotland in 1827 to be the first minister of >St Andrew's as the congregation is called. He served as their minister >until 1841. > >Presbyterian Church registers are housed at the individual's churches as >well as repositories such as Cory Library in Grahamstown and Manuscripts >and Archives Library at University of Cape Town. > >As far as I am aware St. Andrews church records are still in the church. >Kind regards >Heather > > > > >Heather MacAlister >Web Site Manager for: >www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za > >E-Centre >46 Hof Street >Gardens >8001 >Cape Town >SOUTH AFRICA > >Tel: +27-21-481-8316 >Fax: +27-21-481-8333 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Submariner12345@aol.com [mailto:Submariner12345@aol.com] >Sent: 01 July 2005 08:13 AM >To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Re:Tracing a Cape Town birth > >Hi Heather > Thanks for your advice. My person I'm trying to trace was called EMMA >NEVIILE, she was born in Capetown in 1848, her fathers name which >appaers on her >British marriage certificate in June1871 was ROBERT NEVILLE, her father >was >stated as being a builder. I think she was married in a Presbyterian >church, >though I am not 100% sure. After this I have very little information on >her >family. >If you can help it would be much appreciated. > >Many thanks. > >Michael Morgan > > >==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== >Cape Town Family History Society >www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx _________________________________________________________________ Get news headlines and download FREE stuff - visit MSN South Africa! http://www.msn.co.za/

This one ties up with the previous posting. Estie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Moore" <mailman@citcom.net> To: <WILSON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 4:31 PM Subject: [WILSON-L] STRANGERS IN THE BOX..... > One more little story, poem actually, that says a lot about keeping good > records and information on your family's history, especially when it comes > to keeping photos. I have a lot of pictures of early family members with > nothing written on the back to identify them. So they will remain in > perpetual unknown limbo until I can connect with someone who might be able > to tell something about them. > > Don't let your family's history become "Strangers in the Box..." > > Charlie MOORE > My Family History website: www.geocities.com/pm28766/ > > Strangers in the Box > > Come.look with me inside this drawer, > In this box I've often seen, > With the pictures, black and white > Faces proud, still, serene. > > I wish I knew the people > These strangers in the box; > Their names and all their memories > Are lost among my socks. > > I wonder what their lives were like; > How did they spend their days? > About their special times and lives > I'll never know their ways. > > If only someone had taken time > To tell who, what, or when; > These faces of my heritage > Would come to life again. > > Could this become the fate > Of pictures we take today? > The faces and memories > Someday to be passed away? > > Make time to save your stories, > Seize the opportunity when it knocks, > Or someday you and yours could be... > The strangers in the box. > > --Author Unknown > > > > ==== WILSON Mailing List ==== > You flame - you're GONE. >

Hi, The following piece is forwarded by the kind permission of Charlie Moore who posted it on the Wilson mailing list & is true for all geneaologists. Regards, Estie > > We Are The Chosen > > > > We are the chosen. In each family there is one who seems called to find the ancestors. To put flesh on their bones and make them live again, to tell the family story and to feel that somehow they know and approve. > > > Doing genealogy is not a cold gathering of facts but, instead, breathing life into all who have gone before. We are the storytellers of the tribe. All tribes have one. We have been called, as it were, by our genes. Those who have gone before cry out to us, "Tell our story!" So, we do. > > > In finding them, we somehow find ourselves. How many graves have I stood before now and cried? I have lost count. How many times have I told the ancestors, "You have a wonderful family; you would be proud of us." How many times have I walked up to a grave and felt somehow there was love there for me? I cannot say. > > > It goes beyond just documenting facts. It goes to who am I and why do I do the things I do. It goes to seeing a cemetery about to be lost forever to weeds and indifference and saying, "I can't let this happen." The bones here are bones of my bone and flesh of my flesh. It goes to doing something about it. It goes to pride in what our ancestors were able to accomplish, how they contributed to what we are today. It goes to respecting their hardships and losses, their never giving in or giving up, their resoluteness to go on and build a life for their family. > > > It goes to deep pride that the fathers fought and some died to make and keep us a Nation. It goes to a deep and immense understanding that they were doing it for us. It is of equal pride and love that our mothers struggled to give us birth. Without them we could not exist, and so we love each one, as far back as we can reach. > > > That we might be born who we are. That we might remember them. So.we do. > > > With love and caring and scribing each fact of their existence, because we are they and they are the sum of who we are. So, as a scribe called, I tell the story of my family. It is up to that one called in the next generation to answer the call and take my place in the long line of family storytellers. > > > That is why I do my family genealogy, and that is what calls those young and old to step up and restore the memory or greet those whom we had never known before. > > > -Author Unknown > > > > > > > > > ==== WILSON Mailing List ==== > List Admin > WILSON-admin@rootsweb.com >

Hi Listers, I have just re-checked my sources and I find that Frederick OWEN died in 1949 in Transvaal. Still don't know exactly where - should I put this message in a mailing list that would be a better cover for that area? If so, what is it, please? Also, I may have said I wanted people to contact me off-line with any info - of course I meant off-list. Sorry about that. Julie H.

Hello Listers, Greetings to you from Australia. I am trying to find information about the family of Ada OWEN nee RAPKINS who may also have been known as Ada PEARCE or PIERCE prior to her marriage. Her husband was Frederick OWEN and they moved to South Africa (unfortunately I don't know exactly where) from Victoria, Australia some time around 1917. Her first name was given as Adrienne at the time of Frederick's death, but I don't know the date of his death or of hers. Ada was born in 1876 in Victoria, Australia. Frederick may have been South African by birth. Other associated family names are LAWRENCE, BOSCH, ROSS, NAYLOR, BRILTON, VENTOR, GATT, BROTHERTON, RHYS-LOWES. If any of these names are familiar to anyone, please contact me off-line for further details. Thank you. Julie M. Hopper.

Hi, I am trying to trace the descendants of two family members, James Halket b Abt.1876 in Glasgow and Alexander b.Abt1879. Both migrated to South Africa, arriving Durban about 1911. Alexander is said to have married and had a son Arthur. James was at one time an Locomotive driver with SA Railways. Both later ran some kind of shop or emporium. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Wes Halket

Hello Michael I checked in the 1849 Cape Almanac and found a Robert Neville of a carpenter of 8 Hout Street, Cape Town. I did come across a Robert Neville on www.familytree.co.za who was baptised in St.Georges Cathedral - this is a big possibility. I am co-ordinating a project at the moment to transcribe the St. Georges Registers so it will be a few weeks until more until the transcriptions get under way - you will probably find more siblings. However St. Andrews Scottish Presbyterian Church in Strand Street, Cape Town was the first in South Africa. In 1806 Britain sent the Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders Regiment to the Cape as an occupying force. These Scottish soldiers were an unusually devout group of Presbyterians. Although they had no chaplain or minister of their own, they formed themselves into "The Calvinist Society" which met every week for prayer, Bible study and public worship. They continued their religious activities until 1814, always inviting oassing missionaries to preach for them. In 1812 the Rev George Thom arrived at the Cape. He was a Presbyterian minister on his way to India as a missionary with the London Missionary Society (LMS). After meeting with the Calvinist Society he decided to stay at the Cape and the first Presbyterian Church was established there. In 1814 the Scottish regiment was withdrawn from the Cape and the Presbyterian congregation was almost totally depleted. In 1818 the Rev George Thom resigned his charge and the first Presbyterian Church virtually came to an end. The setback was only temporary. In 1824 the once more growing number of Presbyterians re-established the congregation and built a church. Completed in 1827, it stands to this day in Cape Town and is known as "the Mother Church" of the Presbyterians in Southern Africa. The Rev John Adamson arrived from Scotland in 1827 to be the first minister of St Andrew's as the congregation is called. He served as their minister until 1841. Presbyterian Church registers are housed at the individual's churches as well as repositories such as Cory Library in Grahamstown and Manuscripts and Archives Library at University of Cape Town. As far as I am aware St. Andrews church records are still in the church. Kind regards Heather Heather MacAlister Web Site Manager for: www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za E-Centre 46 Hof Street Gardens 8001 Cape Town SOUTH AFRICA Tel: +27-21-481-8316 Fax: +27-21-481-8333 -----Original Message----- From: Submariner12345@aol.com [mailto:Submariner12345@aol.com] Sent: 01 July 2005 08:13 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Re:Tracing a Cape Town birth Hi Heather Thanks for your advice. My person I'm trying to trace was called EMMA NEVIILE, she was born in Capetown in 1848, her fathers name which appaers on her British marriage certificate in June1871 was ROBERT NEVILLE, her father was stated as being a builder. I think she was married in a Presbyterian church, though I am not 100% sure. After this I have very little information on her family. If you can help it would be much appreciated. Many thanks. Michael Morgan ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hello Michael Unfortunately birth certificates only came into existence in 1895 - so you will find nothing before then except perhaps a baptism, You will of course need to have an idea to which denomination they belonged to. If you can give some names we may be able to help you ? Kind regards Heather Heather MacAlister Web Site Manager for: www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za E-Centre 46 Hof Street Gardens 8001 Cape Town SOUTH AFRICA Tel: +27-21-481-8316 Fax: +27-21-481-8333 -----Original Message----- From: Submariner12345@aol.com [mailto:Submariner12345@aol.com] Sent: 01 July 2005 07:40 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Re:Tracing a Cape Town birth Hi all, can anyone advise me how I can obtain a birth certificate for a birth which occurred in Cape Town in 1848, the subjects parents were born in Britain and she later returned back to Britain to live. Any help or advice would be appreciated. Thanks Michael Morgan ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hello Wes John Halkett was born in Scotland in 1836 and died in Rondebosch Cape Town on 23/2/1887. He was the son of James and Margaret S. Halkett. He married Johanna Catherina Taute in George on 9/3/1864. She was born in 1856. Their children were: James Taute Halkett Alex Colin Patric Arthur William Henry Charles Hugh Andrew Douglas Florence Edith Charlotte Constance John born in Rondebosch who died unmarried in Roodepoort on 5/2/1915. The Halketts are still alive and kicking in Cape Town today. There are about fifteen records relating to this family at www.familytree.co.za Kind regards Heather Heather MacAlister Web Site Manager for: www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za E-Centre 46 Hof Street Gardens 8001 Cape Town SOUTH AFRICA Tel: +27-21-481-8316 Fax: +27-21-481-8333 -----Original Message----- From: Wes Halket [mailto:mowesh@bigpond.net.au] Sent: 01 July 2005 07:13 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Lost Halkets Hi, I am trying to trace the descendants of two family members, James Halket b Abt.1876 in Glasgow and Alexander b.Abt1879. Both migrated to South Africa, arriving Durban about 1911. Alexander is said to have married and had a son Arthur. James was at one time an Locomotive driver with SA Railways. Both later ran some kind of shop or emporium. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Wes Halket ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429