>According to P.J. Nienaber's book "Plek Naam Woordeboek" Amandelboom was >the name of Williston in the Cape Province. >Regards >Sharon Warr More possibilities? Williston On 10 July 1768, Johan Abraham NEL of Stellenbosch rested near a fountain close to the Sak River during the birth of his son, planting an almond tree in honour of the event. In 1845, Johann Heinrich LUTZ of Switzerland established a Rhenish mission station named Amandelboom (Almond tree) at this spot. In 1883 the name was changed to Williston, in honour of the Colonial Secretary of the time, Colonel Hampden WILLIS. Williston became an official district in 1926. Today it is part of the Karoo Highland Municipality which cover Williston, Fraserburg and Sutherland. Williston is an important road junction that links many of the towns of the Hantam Karoo. It lies in the heart of sheep-farming country. The local museum is housed in an old mission station building that dates from 1884. When Fraserburg was first established, there were only three roads leading down from the plateau. These were Oukloof Pass in the direction of Beaufort West, Komsberg Pass to the Little Roggeveld, and the Posje Pass which followed the post coach route to Aberdeen. The road to Amandelboom was built in 1874. __________/\/******\/\______ Anne Lehmkuhl, London, UK http://www.rupert.net/~lkool/ Information & the South African Genealogical Research Directory __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hello All According to P.J. Nienaber's book "Plek Naam Woordeboek" Amandelboom was the name of Williston in the Cape Province. Regards Sharon Warr South African Genealogy - Lots of links, passenger lists, Immigrants and more - www.sagenealogy.co.za Scribes Publishing - South African historical resources on CD www.sagenealogy.co.za/scribes.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "David and Mary Bossenger" <dmbza@telkomsa.net> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 6:20 AM Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] A bit more about Amendelboom please? > Hi Pat, > Amandelboom must have been near Sutherland in the Roggeveld. > Sutherland is at 20 35'E and 32 25'S or as close as dammit. Smous pl > Smouse = itinerant trader. > Regards, > David B > -----Original Message----- > From: patfryk [mailto:patfryk@clear.net.nz] > Sent: 22 July 2005 07:02 PM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] A bit more about Amendelboom please? > > Hi to all who replied earlier. > My gt grandfather was living in Loop Street. But after borrowing rather > a lot of money he was declared insolvent. Part of his assets were > assorted mechandise (coffee linen etc) a wagon, 9 horses 30 oxen etc > which he apparently was trading with/for at Amandelboom.And my maps are > quite useless. Can't find the place. > You've told me it was a mission station. > I really am at a loss to explain what and why he should have traded at > all. What did such trading involve. > Yes I am groping in the dark and blindfold...... give me some light > please? > I've read about the smous (smouses? smice?) and but I don't think he > was one of those. > Anything.... > Pat > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books > www.sagenealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books > www.sagenealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > >

Hi there Just looked in a book I have. There were 2 estates - Weltevreden and Feldhausen. The Grove was the latter name given to the area where Grove School in Grove Ave Claremont stands. It was part of the Feldhausen Estate. The property was then sold to Mr Rice Jones and he changed the name to The Grove and when he converted the former slave quarters into a house he took the name along with him. Info found in the book "The First 100Years - The Story of the Claremont Hebrew Synagogue published last year which is in Grove Ave. Grove Ave has allthose Pine trees which lead up to the Feldhausen Homestead. The Grove was later sold to a syndicate which developed Paradise Estate. Hope this helps! lesley abelsohn sydney australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Lehmkuhl" <ZAFamilyHistory@yahoo.ca> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 5:18 AM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Re: Buitenkant, Loop street etc. > >>From: patfryk <patfryk@clear.net.nz> >>I still don't know what and where the divided estate "The Grove" is/was >>Pat > > Hi Pat > Maybe a possibility? > There is The Grove Primary School, in Grove Avenue, Claremont > > __________/\/******\/\______ > Anne Lehmkuhl, London, UK > http://www.rupert.net/~lkool/ > Information & the South African Genealogical Research Directory > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books > www.sagenealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi Pat, Amandelboom must have been near Sutherland in the Roggeveld. Sutherland is at 20 35'E and 32 25'S or as close as dammit. Smous pl Smouse = itinerant trader. Regards, David B -----Original Message----- From: patfryk [mailto:patfryk@clear.net.nz] Sent: 22 July 2005 07:02 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] A bit more about Amendelboom please? Hi to all who replied earlier. My gt grandfather was living in Loop Street. But after borrowing rather a lot of money he was declared insolvent. Part of his assets were assorted mechandise (coffee linen etc) a wagon, 9 horses 30 oxen etc which he apparently was trading with/for at Amandelboom.And my maps are quite useless. Can't find the place. You've told me it was a mission station. I really am at a loss to explain what and why he should have traded at all. What did such trading involve. Yes I am groping in the dark and blindfold...... give me some light please? I've read about the smous (smouses? smice?) and but I don't think he was one of those. Anything.... Pat ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books www.sagenealogy.co.za ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Thanks Rudoph. My man was trading there in the 1860s and it was quite a long way by ox/donkey wagon or horseback. He must have been desperate! Pat

Hi to all who replied earlier. My gt grandfather was living in Loop Street. But after borrowing rather a lot of money he was declared insolvent. Part of his assets were assorted mechandise (coffee linen etc) a wagon, 9 horses 30 oxen etc which he apparently was trading with/for at Amandelboom.And my maps are quite useless. Can't find the place. You've told me it was a mission station. I really am at a loss to explain what and why he should have traded at all. What did such trading involve. Yes I am groping in the dark and blindfold...... give me some light please? I've read about the smous (smouses? smice?) and but I don't think he was one of those. Anything.... Pat

>From: patfryk <patfryk@clear.net.nz> >I still don't know what and where the divided estate "The Grove" is/was >Pat Hi Pat Maybe a possibility? There is The Grove Primary School, in Grove Avenue, Claremont __________/\/******\/\______ Anne Lehmkuhl, London, UK http://www.rupert.net/~lkool/ Information & the South African Genealogical Research Directory __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Coral you always lighten the day. My tramping usually began either unwillingly from school in Sea Point and up Signal Hill,and do I remember correctly High level road? or with my beloved aunt from Rondebosch to the Rhodes Memorial and round. Good replies coming from these marvellous people. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Foster, Coral A." <Coral.Anna.Foster@wwrc.virginia.gov> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 5:50 AM Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Buitenkant, Loop street etc. > good hunting Pat, must admit it has conjured up many memories of tramping > Cape Town during my lunch hour from Castle to the Gardens or the back of > the Art Gallery overlooking the square. Maybe it's just a little lane > between buildings? > > Only thing that Grove conjures up for me, is good old Kelvin Grove!! > :O) > Coral Anna > > -----Original Message----- > From: patfryk [mailto:patfryk@clear.net.nz] > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:46 PM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Buitenkant, Loop street etc. > > > Yes Heather I am 'bothered' about where it is because it features quite > prominently in the life of one of my family. And I wanted especially to > know > where exactly this place was because it seemed far from his usual stamping > ground. > You know - it's all flesh on dem dry bones. > Thanks to all for the replies about roods etc. > I still don't know what and where the divided estate "The Grove" is/was > Pat > > > > * CONFIDENTIALITY/PRIVACY NOTICE - The documents included in this > transmission may contain information that is confidential and/or legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or > agent responsible for delivering the information to the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, > distribution, or action taken in reliance on the contents of these > documents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document in > error, please notify the sender immediately to arrange for return or > destruction of these documents. > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books > www.sagenealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/52 - Release Date: 19/07/2005 > >

Yes Heather I am 'bothered' about where it is because it features quite prominently in the life of one of my family. And I wanted especially to know where exactly this place was because it seemed far from his usual stamping ground. You know - it's all flesh on dem dry bones. Thanks to all for the replies about roods etc. I still don't know what and where the divided estate "The Grove" is/was Pat Heather wrote: You are quite correct is is named after the Rhenish Mission Station> > We are now all bothered as to where it REALLY is ? > kind regards > Heather

Rudolph Botha answered this for me Amadelboom and Sutherland are in the Karoo Roggeveld area. A mission station was there and now it is on a tourist route. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "David and Mary Bossenger" <dmbza@telkomsa.net> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 5:10 AM Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Buitenkant, Loop street etc. > Hi Heather, > Where off Keerom Street as it is not on my Map Studio map? Only Green, > Keerom Lane, Bloem, Venken, Leeuwen and Dorp are listed. > Regards, > David B > > -----Original Message----- > From: Heather MacAlister - LearningOnline > [mailto:Heather@learningonline.co.za] > Sent: 21 July 2005 06:50 AM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Buitenkant, Loop street etc. > > Hello Pat > > Loop Street still does exist and has been around since the early 1800's > and is found listed in the 1817 African Court Calendar with the > inhabitants of Cape Town > > Rood: 1 morgen = 600 sq roods which = 2,116 acres > > Amandelboom Street still exists and is off Keurom Street > > Hope this helps > Kind regards > Heather > > > Heather MacAlister > Web Site Manager for: > www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books > www.sagenealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/52 - Release Date: 19/07/2005 > >

Yes indeed Heather. It does help a lot. In 1860 I guess then that Amandelboom would have been a bit countrified? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather MacAlister - LearningOnline" <Heather@learningonline.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Buitenkant, Loop street etc. > Hello Pat > > Loop Street still does exist and has been around since the early 1800's > and is found listed in the 1817 African Court Calendar with the > inhabitants of Cape Town > > Rood: 1 morgen = 600 sq roods which = 2,116 acres > > Amandelboom Street still exists and is off Keurom Street > > Hope this helps > Kind regards > Heather > > > Heather MacAlister > Web Site Manager for: > www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za > > E-Centre > 46 Hof Street > Gardens > 8001 > Cape Town > SOUTH AFRICA > > Tel: +27-21-481-8316 > Fax: +27-21-481-8333 > > -----Original Message----- > From: patfryk [mailto:patfryk@clear.net.nz] > Sent: 20 July 2005 08:11 PM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Buitenkant, Loop street etc. > > This description of properties is from an insolvency account Cape Town > 1860-64. > > "House and premises Loop St Blok 1 8 & 9 marked 98 > 17 sq rd,83 Sq ft,96 sq inches." > > "3 lots 9.10.11 of divided estate The Grove situated Buitenkant. 44 Sq > rd 76 sq ft." > > "Freehold land between the Grove and a new Street joining Hope street in > the Buitenkant 12 Sq rd" > > "Amendelboom, Sutherland." > > Could someone please tell me:- > > 1. Loop street still exists (or did in the 1930s) Does the Blok1 and > those numbers give any clue about just where this proerty might be in > today's map? > > 2.What and where was "The Grove" > > 3. Was Buitenkant then a 'suburb' ? I recall a Buitenkant street. > > 4. I cannot for the life of me remember my area tables (never could) the > Sq roods etc.. .Approximately what size in today's terms. > > 5. And where is Amandelboom and Sutherland (there is a feint word > Rogger? between these two names.) > > I realise that over 150 years Cape Town may have changed a bit, but a > rough idea will help me fix the place! > Many thanks > Pat > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books > www.sagenealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books > www.sagenealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/52 - Release Date: 19/07/2005 > >

Hello Pat You are quite correct is is named after the Rhenish Mission Station Originally Rhenish mission station, Amandelboom, founded in 1845 on the banks of the Sak River to house wanderers trekking from spring to spring in search of grazing wst of the Karee Mountains, the town was renamed in 1919 after a former British Cape Colonial Secretary, Colonel Hampden Willis. An important road junction linking most Hantam towns, Williston lies in sheep-farming country bound by the Slangberg (Snake Mountain) Range in the south and a series of pans in the north. I found reference to the street onthe web site http://www.apartmentscapetown.co.za/ Probably one of those obscure roads that never appear on any maps We are now all bothered as to where it REALLY is ? kind regards Heather Heather MacAlister Website Manager for: www.familytree.co.za www.ancestry.mweb.co.za 46 Hof Street Gardens 8001 Cape Town Tel: 021-481 8316 Fax: 021- 481 8333 ________________________________ From: patfryk [mailto:patfryk@clear.net.nz] Sent: Thu 05/07/21 19:18 To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Buitenkant, Loop street etc. Rudolph Botha answered this for me Amadelboom and Sutherland are in the Karoo Roggeveld area. A mission station was there and now it is on a tourist route. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "David and Mary Bossenger" <dmbza@telkomsa.net> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 5:10 AM Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Buitenkant, Loop street etc. > Hi Heather, > Where off Keerom Street as it is not on my Map Studio map? Only Green, > Keerom Lane, Bloem, Venken, Leeuwen and Dorp are listed. > Regards, > David B > > -----Original Message----- > From: Heather MacAlister - LearningOnline > [mailto:Heather@learningonline.co.za] > Sent: 21 July 2005 06:50 AM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Buitenkant, Loop street etc. > > Hello Pat > > Loop Street still does exist and has been around since the early 1800's > and is found listed in the 1817 African Court Calendar with the > inhabitants of Cape Town > > Rood: 1 morgen = 600 sq roods which = 2,116 acres > > Amandelboom Street still exists and is off Keurom Street > > Hope this helps > Kind regards > Heather > > > Heather MacAlister > Web Site Manager for: > www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books > www.sagenealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/52 - Release Date: 19/07/2005 > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books www.sagenealogy.co.za ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Heather, Where off Keerom Street as it is not on my Map Studio map? Only Green, Keerom Lane, Bloem, Venken, Leeuwen and Dorp are listed. Regards, David B -----Original Message----- From: Heather MacAlister - LearningOnline [mailto:Heather@learningonline.co.za] Sent: 21 July 2005 06:50 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Buitenkant, Loop street etc. Hello Pat Loop Street still does exist and has been around since the early 1800's and is found listed in the 1817 African Court Calendar with the inhabitants of Cape Town Rood: 1 morgen = 600 sq roods which = 2,116 acres Amandelboom Street still exists and is off Keurom Street Hope this helps Kind regards Heather Heather MacAlister Web Site Manager for: www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za

Dear Colyn, If you ever get hold of the keys Please could you keep an eye open for Michael and Mary BROOKER Thanks Lynn -------Original Message------- From: Colyn Brookes Date: 07/21/05 14:15:59 To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Wynberg Hi Could someone please remind me where I can obtain the keys to the Wynberg, Church Street, Cemetery ? Thanks Colyn Brookes Project Director MIBISA (Military Burials In South Africa) Archive Project Volunteer, British War Memorial Project National Coordinator South African War Graves Project, Canada SA Coordinator, Australian War Graves Photograph Archives http://mibisa.fotopic.net/ http://sapanorama.fotopic.net/ mibisa@mweb.co.za cedwardb@mweb.co.za Tel/Fax +27-21-930-2752 Mobile 083-252-0450 ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books www.sagenealogy.co.za ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 .

good hunting Pat, must admit it has conjured up many memories of tramping Cape Town during my lunch hour from Castle to the Gardens or the back of the Art Gallery overlooking the square. Maybe it's just a little lane between buildings? Only thing that Grove conjures up for me, is good old Kelvin Grove!! :O) Coral Anna -----Original Message----- From: patfryk [mailto:patfryk@clear.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:46 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Buitenkant, Loop street etc. Yes Heather I am 'bothered' about where it is because it features quite prominently in the life of one of my family. And I wanted especially to know where exactly this place was because it seemed far from his usual stamping ground. You know - it's all flesh on dem dry bones. Thanks to all for the replies about roods etc. I still don't know what and where the divided estate "The Grove" is/was Pat * CONFIDENTIALITY/PRIVACY NOTICE - The documents included in this transmission may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the information to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or action taken in reliance on the contents of these documents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document in error, please notify the sender immediately to arrange for return or destruction of these documents.

Hi Lynn >If you ever get hold of the keys Please could you keep an eye open for >Michael and Mary BROOKER Will do... Colyn

Hello Pat Loop Street still does exist and has been around since the early 1800's and is found listed in the 1817 African Court Calendar with the inhabitants of Cape Town Rood: 1 morgen = 600 sq roods which = 2,116 acres Amandelboom Street still exists and is off Keurom Street Hope this helps Kind regards Heather Heather MacAlister Web Site Manager for: www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za E-Centre 46 Hof Street Gardens 8001 Cape Town SOUTH AFRICA Tel: +27-21-481-8316 Fax: +27-21-481-8333 -----Original Message----- From: patfryk [mailto:patfryk@clear.net.nz] Sent: 20 July 2005 08:11 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Buitenkant, Loop street etc. This description of properties is from an insolvency account Cape Town 1860-64. "House and premises Loop St Blok 1 8 & 9 marked 98 17 sq rd,83 Sq ft,96 sq inches." "3 lots 9.10.11 of divided estate The Grove situated Buitenkant. 44 Sq rd 76 sq ft." "Freehold land between the Grove and a new Street joining Hope street in the Buitenkant 12 Sq rd" "Amendelboom, Sutherland." Could someone please tell me:- 1. Loop street still exists (or did in the 1930s) Does the Blok1 and those numbers give any clue about just where this proerty might be in today's map? 2.What and where was "The Grove" 3. Was Buitenkant then a 'suburb' ? I recall a Buitenkant street. 4. I cannot for the life of me remember my area tables (never could) the Sq roods etc.. .Approximately what size in today's terms. 5. And where is Amandelboom and Sutherland (there is a feint word Rogger? between these two names.) I realise that over 150 years Cape Town may have changed a bit, but a rough idea will help me fix the place! Many thanks Pat ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books www.sagenealogy.co.za ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Thanks Heather, much appreciated Colyn

Hello Colyn Yes that is right - no they are not open on Sundays - just normal 8:30 to 4 office hours Go to the main office on the left of the parlour - not in the chapel Regards Heather Heather MacAlister Web Site Manager for: www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za E-Centre 46 Hof Street Gardens 8001 Cape Town SOUTH AFRICA Tel: +27-21-481-8316 Fax: +27-21-481-8333 -----Original Message----- From: Colyn Brookes [mailto:culvwrcm@bmh.co.za] Sent: 21 July 2005 06:42 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Wynberg Hi Heather >You need to fetch the key from the undertaker Is that AVBOB or whoever that is next door? An what about Sunday? Or should I speak to them about that? Colyn BTW Do you also start work early?? ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books www.sagenealogy.co.za ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi Heather >You need to fetch the key from the undertaker Is that AVBOB or whoever that is next door? An what about Sunday? Or should I speak to them about that? Colyn BTW Do you also start work early??