Hello Anne Maitland cemetery is an extremely large place and not a safe place for anyone to wonder around and look at tombstones. Your best bet is to engage in the services of a private researcher who will go to the Cape Metropolitan Council in Cape Town where the plot cards for this cemetery and various others are kept. The plot cards and burial registers give a complete different account of the information on the deceased. If the tombstone stone gives two or three peoples names - you sometimes find on the plot card that there are a couple of other bodies buried their as well but they get no mention on the tombstone. This is classic case of stillbirths, infant deaths or perhaps at a time when the family had no money to add extra engraving onto the tombstone. The registers will give the person age, cause of death, address, which section of the cemetery they are buried eg : Catholic, Jewish, Anglican etc and who owns the plot and whether it is a single plot, double or family grave. It will also tell you if they were buried as a pauper or not. Kind regards Heather Heather MacAlister Web Site Manager for: www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za E-Centre 46 Hof Street Gardens 8001 Cape Town SOUTH AFRICA Tel: +27-21-481-8316 Fax: +27-21-481-8333 -----Original Message----- From: Anne Andrews [mailto:anne_j_andrews@yahoo.com.au] Sent: 15 August 2005 02:58 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] MAITLAND CEMETERY When researching Maitland Cemetery on the internet there is not alot of info. Are there people who will do lookups in this Cemetery? My Great Grandfather & his wife are buried there. Sir Thomas Muir 1844-1934 , Lady Margaret Muir 1843-1919. I have a distant relative that has photos of the Headstones but will not share with anyone so I was hoping I could find out if they were undamaged & still viewable. Thanks Anne Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books www.sagenealogy.co.za ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Are there any ship lists for individuals who immigrated from Italy to South Africa between 1877 and 1945?

The Cape Town Family History Society will be holding it's next meeting on 20th August at Wynberg Boys High School. Their guest speaker will be Prof. Robert Shell talking on the Old Cape Slave Lodge. Time: 2.00 for 2:30 sharp Entrance for non members R10.00 per person including tea & biscuits R.S.V.P. Heather MacAlister on 082-8082251 or 7888188 after hours or email: heather@ancestors.co.za An afternoon not to be missed so please book your seats early kind thanks Heather Visit South Africa's premier Genealogy + Family History Web sites : www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za

To the list This is my first posting and my query regards outwards shipping to England. My ancestor, George NEAL(E) was in the Cape Mounted Rifles and took his discharge in 1864. He must have returned to England as he arrived in New Zealand in 1868 on the "Gertrude" which experienced severe storms rounding the Cape but did not make landfall. Can someone help with outward shipping to England during that four year time span? Judith

Colyn, It is the remains of the old St Peter's Cemetery in Observatory and is in at the vehicle entrance to St Peter's Square shopping Centre on Main Rd. The key is kept at security at the entrance. Next door is the closed DRC cemetery. David B -----Original Message----- From: Colyn Brookes [mailto:culvwrcm@bmh.co.za] Sent: 08 August 2005 04:57 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Where is it? Hi Please point me in the right direction for 'Ossuary Garden of Remembrance, Observatory, Cape Town' is it the new 'Garden of Remembranceon' Main Road? Thanks Colyn Brookes Project Director MIBISA (Military Burials In South Africa) Archive Project Volunteer, British War Memorial Project National Coordinator South African War Graves Project, Canada SA Coordinator, Australian War Graves Photograph Archives http://mibisa.fotopic.net/ http://sapanorama.fotopic.net/ mibisa@mweb.co.za cedwardb@mweb.co.za Tel/Fax +27-21-930-2752 Mobile 083-252-0450 ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books www.sagenealogy.co.za ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hi Please point me in the right direction for 'Ossuary Garden of Remembrance, Observatory, Cape Town' is it the new 'Garden of Remembranceon' Main Road? Thanks Colyn Brookes Project Director MIBISA (Military Burials In South Africa) Archive Project Volunteer, British War Memorial Project National Coordinator South African War Graves Project, Canada SA Coordinator, Australian War Graves Photograph Archives http://mibisa.fotopic.net/ http://sapanorama.fotopic.net/ mibisa@mweb.co.za cedwardb@mweb.co.za Tel/Fax +27-21-930-2752 Mobile 083-252-0450

Colyn - did they move it from Woltemade Cemetery? That's where the Wall of Remembrance was - almost right next to the crematorium???? KR Coral Anna -----Original Message----- From: Colyn Brookes [mailto:culvwrcm@bmh.co.za] Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:57 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Where is it? Hi Please point me in the right direction for 'Ossuary Garden of Remembrance, Observatory, Cape Town' is it the new 'Garden of Remembranceon' Main Road? Thanks Colyn Brookes Project Director MIBISA (Military Burials In South Africa) Archive Project Volunteer, British War Memorial Project National Coordinator South African War Graves Project, Canada SA Coordinator, Australian War Graves Photograph Archives http://mibisa.fotopic.net/ http://sapanorama.fotopic.net/ mibisa@mweb.co.za cedwardb@mweb.co.za Tel/Fax +27-21-930-2752 Mobile 083-252-0450 ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books www.sagenealogy.co.za ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx * CONFIDENTIALITY/PRIVACY NOTICE - The documents included in this transmission may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the information to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or action taken in reliance on the contents of these documents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document in error, please notify the sender immediately to arrange for return or destruction of these documents.

I received another tidbit. As the story goes - my Daniel Alec Heyne (b 1890 in Capetown) was deemed 'difficult to handle' by his mother sometime after his father died (which appears to be 1896). He might have been around 8-10 perhaps. He was apparently sent to live with a family out of town or else a childrens home - we believe it was the first. Would this have been common? Would there be any sort of list of wayword childrens homes or such things? I've yet to find any mention of his brother Arthur but I'm still looking. Him mother's name was Isabelle Emma Pike. Thanks. Sharon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Could anyone please tell me the dates that vital registration for birth/marriage and deaths were enacted in Cape Town? I did read that births started in 1895. I checked the National Archives and did find some death notices but no marriage - also - I am not familiar with the term 'marriage bond' that has come up a few times in those records. Sorry to keep you all - but in the IGI, the Daniel Alec Heyne that I am researching does appear to have the birth/baptism date listed however, they have recorded him as dying in 1946 with no other information. This would be contrary to my knowing that he died in 1973 in the USA. Any ideas on how to look into this further? I also believed that Heyne was German but the spelling of some of the 'given' names appears decidely Dutch....I'm just starting to learn the history so it's all pretty fascinating. Thanks again! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Thanks Meryl. Sharon Meryl Phillips <meryl.phillips@ntlworld.com> wrote: Hi Sharon, Can't help with info but these sites may help http://www.ingeneas.com/ingeneas/index.html - Canadian passenger lists and other info http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/Links.htm - south Africa info http://www.familytree.co.za/Login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fSecure%2fmessage.asp x Good hunting Meryl -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Edwards [mailto:luvgoofgoofy@yahoo.com] Sent: 05 August 2005 21:30 To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Heyne/Pike familes Good afternoon all - I am just starting to research these families so please bear with me as some of the information is verbal and thus I may not be entirely accurate as I relay what I have. My ggrandfather was Daniel Alec (or Alec Daniel) Heyne and he was born in Cape Town on Dec 11, 1890. His mother was Emma Pike and his father was Daniel Heyne. He apparently had 1 brother named Arthur and a number of half siblings - 2 of them named Hedy and Disa but I'm not certain if they used the surname of Heyne or Pike. This man was in Oregon, USA in 1914 when he married my grandmother and the story I have been told was that his father died when he was young (maybe 6-14 or so) and that his mother sent him out to live in some sort of foster care. He apparently then packed up and left South Africa on his own at age 14 by stealing away on a ship to England, where he hoped to get in touch with his mothers family. Somehow, he ended up in Canada where he (according to legend) tracked down his mother, who by this time had left the country for Canada, and then ended up moving on down into the USA. He died in 1973 in the USA. I'm trying to find out how much of this story is true, as well as trying to establish a connection to Cape Town and the family that remained there. I have the birthdate as you can see, are there any online databases for the area, or census returns for the area that I might see? I am assuming that the heritage is Dutch or German but as I know nothing more than the information that I have given, I need anything I can get to try and work backwards on him. I appreciate any help that anyone can give in any way. Thanks, Sharon PS - rumour also has the Pike or Heyne family may have been involved in an early newspaper of some sort in Cape Town. I'm not sure. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books www.sagenealogy.co.za ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books www.sagenealogy.co.za ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Good Morning All, Kindly is anyone that could help me : Info is very little on CS BIRKIN. I have no information her parents nor husband.She lived for a period of time in Natal and then moved to Zimbabwe. Kind regards Elizabeth Teir Helsingfors, Finland Helsinki, Suomi patriot.afrikaans@elisanet.fi teir.residence@elisanet.fi

Hi Sharon, Can't help with info but these sites may help http://www.ingeneas.com/ingeneas/index.html - Canadian passenger lists and other info http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/Links.htm - south Africa info http://www.familytree.co.za/Login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fSecure%2fmessage.asp x Good hunting Meryl -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Edwards [mailto:luvgoofgoofy@yahoo.com] Sent: 05 August 2005 21:30 To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Heyne/Pike familes Good afternoon all - I am just starting to research these families so please bear with me as some of the information is verbal and thus I may not be entirely accurate as I relay what I have. My ggrandfather was Daniel Alec (or Alec Daniel) Heyne and he was born in Cape Town on Dec 11, 1890. His mother was Emma Pike and his father was Daniel Heyne. He apparently had 1 brother named Arthur and a number of half siblings - 2 of them named Hedy and Disa but I'm not certain if they used the surname of Heyne or Pike. This man was in Oregon, USA in 1914 when he married my grandmother and the story I have been told was that his father died when he was young (maybe 6-14 or so) and that his mother sent him out to live in some sort of foster care. He apparently then packed up and left South Africa on his own at age 14 by stealing away on a ship to England, where he hoped to get in touch with his mothers family. Somehow, he ended up in Canada where he (according to legend) tracked down his mother, who by this time had left the country for Canada, and then ended up moving on down into the USA. He died in 1973 in the USA. I'm trying to find out how much of this story is true, as well as trying to establish a connection to Cape Town and the family that remained there. I have the birthdate as you can see, are there any online databases for the area, or census returns for the area that I might see? I am assuming that the heritage is Dutch or German but as I know nothing more than the information that I have given, I need anything I can get to try and work backwards on him. I appreciate any help that anyone can give in any way. Thanks, Sharon PS - rumour also has the Pike or Heyne family may have been involved in an early newspaper of some sort in Cape Town. I'm not sure. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books www.sagenealogy.co.za ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Good afternoon all - I am just starting to research these families so please bear with me as some of the information is verbal and thus I may not be entirely accurate as I relay what I have. My ggrandfather was Daniel Alec (or Alec Daniel) Heyne and he was born in Cape Town on Dec 11, 1890. His mother was Emma Pike and his father was Daniel Heyne. He apparently had 1 brother named Arthur and a number of half siblings - 2 of them named Hedy and Disa but I'm not certain if they used the surname of Heyne or Pike. This man was in Oregon, USA in 1914 when he married my grandmother and the story I have been told was that his father died when he was young (maybe 6-14 or so) and that his mother sent him out to live in some sort of foster care. He apparently then packed up and left South Africa on his own at age 14 by stealing away on a ship to England, where he hoped to get in touch with his mothers family. Somehow, he ended up in Canada where he (according to legend) tracked down his mother, who by this time had left the country for Canada, and then ended up moving on down into the USA. He died in 1973 in the USA. I'm trying to find out how much of this story is true, as well as trying to establish a connection to Cape Town and the family that remained there. I have the birthdate as you can see, are there any online databases for the area, or census returns for the area that I might see? I am assuming that the heritage is Dutch or German but as I know nothing more than the information that I have given, I need anything I can get to try and work backwards on him. I appreciate any help that anyone can give in any way. Thanks, Sharon PS - rumour also has the Pike or Heyne family may have been involved in an early newspaper of some sort in Cape Town. I'm not sure. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page

Thanks John. Unfortunately he wasn't presumed dead, and like the bad penny he was he turned up, quite the wrong moment for her!! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "John van Niekerk" <jfvn@iafrica.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Desertion/divorce/ > In South Africa an order of the High Court has to be obtained declaring > the > respondent presumed dead. This may be imediately after his > disappearance > or only many years later. It all depends on the circumstances of his > disappearance in each case. There is no set time for a person to be > presumed to have died.. Once an order is obtained declaring a person > presumed dead his spouse may remarry. > Regards > John van Niekerk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "patfryk" <patfryk@clear.net.nz> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 4:12 AM > Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Desertion/divorce/ > > >> Thank you Julie. Oh it happened, often enough,. there is a wonderful book > by >> Lawrence Stone "Broken Lives - Separation and Divorce in England > 1600 -1857" >> OUP 1993. And of course there used to be wife selling too, (Mayor of >> Casterbridge) Divorce was out of the question except for the very >> wealthy. >> Generally it seems a woman stayed married and put up with all sorts of >> nonsense because divorce or separation meant at best ostracism but she >> was >> left destitute and had no control over the children. So it seems very >> fair >> to me that if the man scarpered, then seven years wasnt too long to wait > to >> declare the so&so dead! But then for him to come back and accuse her of >> adultery is just too much. I can think of some lovely words there to >> describe him.!! >> Pat. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bryan Lewis" <bryanlewis@hotkey.net.au> >> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 12:10 PM >> Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Desertion/divorce/ >> >> >> > Hallo Pat, >> > Not sure if this was the case in South Africa, but it was the case in >> > Australia - my great great grandfather's second wife was able to marry > him >> > because she had been deserted and was considered a widow after seven >> > years. >> > There is a note about this on their wedding certificate. (This > presumably >> > was Australian law following English precedent.) >> > >> > Their marriage took place in 1865. I have recently discovered that >> > there >> > is >> > a strong possibility she wasn't a widow at all, her first husband was >> > still >> > alive at the time of her second marriage - but that's another story. It >> > could as you say be a way of ending a difficult marriage, but then, if >> > someone just cleared off and left me on my own for seven years, I don't >> > think I'd be too pleased about it no matter what! >> > Cheers >> > Julie H. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: patfryk [mailto:patfryk@clear.net.nz] >> > Sent: Monday, 1 August 2005 2:41 AM >> > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Desertion/divorce/ >> > >> > I think I asked this before but I am darned if I can find where or >> > when! >> > Bear with me? >> > In England up to Divorce Act 1857, if a man deserted his wife and had > no >> > further contact with her and simply disappeared, he was considered to >> > be >> > dead after 7 years and she could then remarry.It was one way, a cheap > way >> > too of ending a rotten marriage at a time when divorce was almost >> > impossible. >> > Did this apply anywhere in South Africa? 19thC/20thC? >> > thanks >> > Pat >> > >> > >> > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== >> > South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books >> > www.sagenealogy.co.za >> > >> > ============================== >> > New! 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In South Africa an order of the High Court has to be obtained declaring the respondent presumed dead. This may be imediately after his disappearance or only many years later. It all depends on the circumstances of his disappearance in each case. There is no set time for a person to be presumed to have died.. Once an order is obtained declaring a person presumed dead his spouse may remarry. Regards John van Niekerk ----- Original Message ----- From: "patfryk" <patfryk@clear.net.nz> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Desertion/divorce/ > Thank you Julie. Oh it happened, often enough,. there is a wonderful book by > Lawrence Stone "Broken Lives - Separation and Divorce in England 1600 -1857" > OUP 1993. And of course there used to be wife selling too, (Mayor of > Casterbridge) Divorce was out of the question except for the very wealthy. > Generally it seems a woman stayed married and put up with all sorts of > nonsense because divorce or separation meant at best ostracism but she was > left destitute and had no control over the children. So it seems very fair > to me that if the man scarpered, then seven years wasnt too long to wait to > declare the so&so dead! But then for him to come back and accuse her of > adultery is just too much. I can think of some lovely words there to > describe him.!! > Pat. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Lewis" <bryanlewis@hotkey.net.au> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 12:10 PM > Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Desertion/divorce/ > > > > Hallo Pat, > > Not sure if this was the case in South Africa, but it was the case in > > Australia - my great great grandfather's second wife was able to marry him > > because she had been deserted and was considered a widow after seven > > years. > > There is a note about this on their wedding certificate. (This presumably > > was Australian law following English precedent.) > > > > Their marriage took place in 1865. I have recently discovered that there > > is > > a strong possibility she wasn't a widow at all, her first husband was > > still > > alive at the time of her second marriage - but that's another story. It > > could as you say be a way of ending a difficult marriage, but then, if > > someone just cleared off and left me on my own for seven years, I don't > > think I'd be too pleased about it no matter what! > > Cheers > > Julie H. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: patfryk [mailto:patfryk@clear.net.nz] > > Sent: Monday, 1 August 2005 2:41 AM > > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Desertion/divorce/ > > > > I think I asked this before but I am darned if I can find where or when! > > Bear with me? > > In England up to Divorce Act 1857, if a man deserted his wife and had no > > further contact with her and simply disappeared, he was considered to be > > dead after 7 years and she could then remarry.It was one way, a cheap way > > too of ending a rotten marriage at a time when divorce was almost > > impossible. > > Did this apply anywhere in South Africa? 19thC/20thC? > > thanks > > Pat > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books > > www.sagenealogy.co.za > > > > ============================== > > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta > > rgetid=5429 > > > > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books > > www.sagenealogy.co.za > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books > www.sagenealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Thank you Julie. Oh it happened, often enough,. there is a wonderful book by Lawrence Stone "Broken Lives - Separation and Divorce in England 1600 -1857" OUP 1993. And of course there used to be wife selling too, (Mayor of Casterbridge) Divorce was out of the question except for the very wealthy. Generally it seems a woman stayed married and put up with all sorts of nonsense because divorce or separation meant at best ostracism but she was left destitute and had no control over the children. So it seems very fair to me that if the man scarpered, then seven years wasnt too long to wait to declare the so&so dead! But then for him to come back and accuse her of adultery is just too much. I can think of some lovely words there to describe him.!! Pat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Lewis" <bryanlewis@hotkey.net.au> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 12:10 PM Subject: RE: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Desertion/divorce/ > Hallo Pat, > Not sure if this was the case in South Africa, but it was the case in > Australia - my great great grandfather's second wife was able to marry him > because she had been deserted and was considered a widow after seven > years. > There is a note about this on their wedding certificate. (This presumably > was Australian law following English precedent.) > > Their marriage took place in 1865. I have recently discovered that there > is > a strong possibility she wasn't a widow at all, her first husband was > still > alive at the time of her second marriage - but that's another story. It > could as you say be a way of ending a difficult marriage, but then, if > someone just cleared off and left me on my own for seven years, I don't > think I'd be too pleased about it no matter what! > Cheers > Julie H. > > -----Original Message----- > From: patfryk [mailto:patfryk@clear.net.nz] > Sent: Monday, 1 August 2005 2:41 AM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Desertion/divorce/ > > I think I asked this before but I am darned if I can find where or when! > Bear with me? > In England up to Divorce Act 1857, if a man deserted his wife and had no > further contact with her and simply disappeared, he was considered to be > dead after 7 years and she could then remarry.It was one way, a cheap way > too of ending a rotten marriage at a time when divorce was almost > impossible. > Did this apply anywhere in South Africa? 19thC/20thC? > thanks > Pat > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books > www.sagenealogy.co.za > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta > rgetid=5429 > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books > www.sagenealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 > >

Hallo Pat, Not sure if this was the case in South Africa, but it was the case in Australia - my great great grandfather's second wife was able to marry him because she had been deserted and was considered a widow after seven years. There is a note about this on their wedding certificate. (This presumably was Australian law following English precedent.) Their marriage took place in 1865. I have recently discovered that there is a strong possibility she wasn't a widow at all, her first husband was still alive at the time of her second marriage - but that's another story. It could as you say be a way of ending a difficult marriage, but then, if someone just cleared off and left me on my own for seven years, I don't think I'd be too pleased about it no matter what! Cheers Julie H. -----Original Message----- From: patfryk [mailto:patfryk@clear.net.nz] Sent: Monday, 1 August 2005 2:41 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Desertion/divorce/ I think I asked this before but I am darned if I can find where or when! Bear with me? In England up to Divorce Act 1857, if a man deserted his wife and had no further contact with her and simply disappeared, he was considered to be dead after 7 years and she could then remarry.It was one way, a cheap way too of ending a rotten marriage at a time when divorce was almost impossible. Did this apply anywhere in South Africa? 19thC/20thC? thanks Pat ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books www.sagenealogy.co.za ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

I think I asked this before but I am darned if I can find where or when! Bear with me? In England up to Divorce Act 1857, if a man deserted his wife and had no further contact with her and simply disappeared, he was considered to be dead after 7 years and she could then remarry.It was one way, a cheap way too of ending a rotten marriage at a time when divorce was almost impossible. Did this apply anywhere in South Africa? 19thC/20thC? thanks Pat

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Sir Thomas Muir moved to South Africa in 1892. He was born in Scotland & had 4 children. He was Superindentent of Education in South Africa. His home was called "Elmcote" off Sandown Rd Rondesbosch(built 1915). Thomas & his wife Lady Margaret are buried in Maitland Cemetery. His daughters names were Nellie Brown Spilhaus (nee Muir),she served on the National Council of Women. The other daughter was Lilian Cameron Cornish-Bowden.(nee Muir) Any info on these families would be great!! Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com