Hi My G Grandfather Henry James Hartley was a Tea Wholesaler in Cape Town 1908??his sons Henry John and David Hartley farmers Capetown,or Kenya and Rhodesia 1920's Thanks John

Hi Can anyone tell me if 1945 to 1955 telephone directories for the Cape Town (Green Point & Claremont) areas are available. I would like someone to look up an individual, I'm trying to gather additional information, Thanks Everyone.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_1127027316212150 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear List members, I am resending this query because I have not had a single response. If thi= s is the wrong list for teh query could somebody please tell me where to re= -direct it. Thank you and regards Gerry Cunningham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerard Cunningham" <gerard.cunningham@ireland.com> To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Cape Mounted Police - Edward Sutton from = Ireland Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 13:18:15 +0000 --_----------=_1127027316212150 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L-request@rootsweb.com> Delivered-To: gerard.cunningham:ireland.com@ireland.com Received: (qmail 21214 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2005 13:19:01 -0000 X-OB-Received: from unknown (192.168.9.187) by mta45-2.us4.outblaze.com; 9 Sep 2005 13:19:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 25894 invoked by uid 1001); 9 Sep 2005 13:19:01 -0000 X-OB-Delivered-To: gerard.cunningham:ireland.com@ireland.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (127.0.0.2) by as1-2.us4.outblaze.com; 9 Sep 2005 13:19:01 -0000 X-OB-Received: from unknown (192.168.9.161) by 192.168.9.187; 9 Sep 2005 13:18:58 -0000 Received: from av1-1.us4.outblaze.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by av1-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F0A849C050 for <"gerard.cunningham:ireland.com"@ireland.com-us4-4.av.int>; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:18:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lists8.rootsweb.com (lists8.rootsweb.com [66.43.18.27]) by spf4-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D39F043E for <gerard.cunningham@ireland.com>; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:18:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists8.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) id j89DIKHV019521; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 07:18:20 -0600 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 07:18:20 -0600 X-Original-Sender: gerard.cunningham@ireland.com Fri Sep 9 07:18:19 2005 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.42) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 9 Sep 2005 13:18:15 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Gerard Cunningham" <gerard.cunningham@ireland.com> Old-To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 13:18:15 +0000 X-Originating-Ip: 157.150.113.232 X-Originating-Server: ws4-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050909131815.BE691671B1@ws4-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.16.34 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists8.rootsweb.com id j89DIJKr019488 Resent-Message-ID: <FHyIHD.A.swE.cuYIDB@lists8.rootsweb.com> To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/642 X-Loop: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L-request@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Cape Mounted Police - Edward Sutton from Ireland Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, My name is Gerard Cunningham and I live in Nairobi. I am new to this list and I'm not even sure if it is the correct list for= my enquiry which is as follows: I am looking for information about Edward Sutton from Ireland who served = with the Cape Mounted Police from 1902 to the late 1930s approx. His ser= vice record would be of particular interest. thank you and regards =3D=3D=3D=3D SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List =3D=3D=3D=3D South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books www.sagenealogy.co.za =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http:= //www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx --_----------=_1127027316212150--

Hi Ian, For Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates, you can apply at Dept of Home affairs http://home-affairs.pwv.gov.za/ There are contact details of the office in Pretoria and also Mission Abroad. Good luck, Elva Qld, Aus > From: "Ian B. Hudson" <ianh@global.net.pg> > Date: 12 September 2005 9:44:07 PM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Researching Hudson and Powell - Cape Town prior to 1908 > > > Hi, My name is Ian Hudson. I live in Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea. I > am > trying to research my Grandparents roots. My research indicate that > they > were Sydney Walter Hudson and Lavinia Powell. They arrived in > Melbourne, > Australia with two infant twin sons, Reginald Sydney and Francis Rupert > Hudson. From shipping records, in 1908, Sydney Hudson was 24 and > Lavinia was > 21. > > Three years later in 1911 at the birth of their next child, Leslie > Gilbert > Hudson, Sydney is recorded as being 25 and Lavinia being 24. > Information > given at this birth indicate that Sydney Hudson and Lavinia Powell > were both > born in Cape Town and married in Cape Town 28 May 1907. > > From Lavinia's Death Record - 12 July 1914 > Lavinia is recorded as being 27 years old. She died from diabetic > complications at Austin Hospital, Plenty Road and was buried at > Heidelberg > Cemetery on 14 July 1914 (Victoria Australia.) > Spouse and children are recorded as "not known". This is also > consistent > with family oral history. Francis knew that she had died from an > illness > and that his father had deserted his mother. > > The three boys were raised in foster care. > > I have been unable to locate a death record for Sydney Hudson, so my > assumption is that he didn't die in Victoria, Australia. > > It seems that birth and marriage records can be quite difficult to > obtain in > Cape Town. Is this true? If this information rings any bells with > anyone > out there, I would love to hear. > >

Hi, My name is Ian Hudson. I live in Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea. I am trying to research my Grandparents roots. My research indicate that they were Sydney Walter Hudson and Lavinia Powell. They arrived in Melbourne, Australia with two infant twin sons, Reginald Sydney and Francis Rupert Hudson. From shipping records, in 1908, Sydney Hudson was 24 and Lavinia was 21. Three years later in 1911 at the birth of their next child, Leslie Gilbert Hudson, Sydney is recorded as being 25 and Lavinia being 24. Information given at this birth indicate that Sydney Hudson and Lavinia Powell were both born in Cape Town and married in Cape Town 28 May 1907. From Lavinia's Death Record - 12 July 1914 Lavinia is recorded as being 27 years old. She died from diabetic complications at Austin Hospital, Plenty Road and was buried at Heidelberg Cemetery on 14 July 1914 (Victoria Australia.) Spouse and children are recorded as "not known". This is also consistent with family oral history. Francis knew that she had died from an illness and that his father had deserted his mother. The three boys were raised in foster care. I have been unable to locate a death record for Sydney Hudson, so my assumption is that he didn't die in Victoria, Australia. It seems that birth and marriage records can be quite difficult to obtain in Cape Town. Is this true? If this information rings any bells with anyone out there, I would love to hear.

Hi Neil, I cannot help you with shipping information, but at NAAIRS http://www.national.archives.gov.za/naairs.htm I found this reference at the KAB (Cape Town Archives Repository) DEPOT KAB SOURCE CO TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 4077 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE T26 PART 1 DESCRIPTION MEMORIAL. OJ TRUTER FOR DUTCH BARK "MARIA HILLEGONDA". REGARDING A CONTRAVENTION OF POST OFFICE ORDINANCE BY THE MASTER OF THE VESSEL. STARTING 18540000 ENDING 18540000 Regards, Elva > > From: "Neil" <newpond@bigpond.net.au> > Date: 11 September 2005 11:41:13 AM > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Ship at Simons Bay 1853-54 > > > Hello everyone > > I wonder if someone is able to give me some advice. > > I am compiling a list of arrivals and departures of ships at Western > Australia in the 1850s, using newspapers and archival sources here in > Western Australia. I am documenting as much information as possible > about each ship. I'm also researching the establishment of the steam > ship Royal Mail service at Albany in Western Australia in 1852-54. > > In 1852, a steam ship mail service to the Australian colonies was > contracted by the British Government. There were initially 2 > companies: The Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company and > the Australian Royal Mail Steam Navigation Company. Because of the > long distances, coal depots were required, and both companies > established them at Albany in Princess Royal Harbour at King George's > Sound so that the steam ships could deliver mail for the Colony of > Western Australia and refuel at Albany before proceeding to the > eastern Australian colonies. Albany is about 400 km south of Perth. > The first mail steam ship arrived in September 1852. > > During 1852/1853, a number of ships carried to Albany cargoes of coals > from England and Wales. One of these that appears to have been > contracted to the Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company > called in at Simons Bay for some reason according to the records here: > > "Marij? Hillegonda", Dutch ship. Departed Hartlepool, England on 6 > September 1853. Called at Simons Bay, Cape of Good Hope, departed > there on 14 April 1854. Arrived at Albany on 18 May 1854. Master = T. > Visser. Tonnage = 767 tons. Cargo = coals for the P. & O. Company. > > It must have stayed at Simons Bay for 4 to 5 months, because another > Dutch ship, the "D'Elmina", also carrying coals for the P. & O. > Company, departed Hartlepool at the same time but arrived at Albany > much earlier on 13 December 1853. > > Perhaps it had a mishap on the way. I am interested in anything at > all. Perhaps there are shipping registers of arrivals and > departures/crew records held in an archive or mentioned in newspapers? > > I would very much appreciate any advice anyone is able to give me as > to available sources. > > Neil > Perth > Western Australia >

Brilliant. Thank you so much Elva. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elva Hanly" <theaviary@bigpond.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 3:40 PM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Re: Ship at Simons Bay 1853-54 > Hi Neil, > > I cannot help you with shipping information, but at NAAIRS > http://www.national.archives.gov.za/naairs.htm > I found this reference at the KAB (Cape Town Archives Repository) > > DEPOT KAB > SOURCE CO > TYPE LEER > VOLUME_NO 4077 > SYSTEM 01 > REFERENCE T26 > PART 1 > DESCRIPTION MEMORIAL. OJ TRUTER FOR DUTCH BARK "MARIA > HILLEGONDA". REGARDING A CONTRAVENTION OF POST OFFICE ORDINANCE BY THE > MASTER OF THE VESSEL. > STARTING 18540000 > ENDING 18540000 > > Regards, > Elva > >> >> From: "Neil" <newpond@bigpond.net.au> >> Date: 11 September 2005 11:41:13 AM >> To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Ship at Simons Bay 1853-54 >> >> >> Hello everyone >> >> I wonder if someone is able to give me some advice. >> >> I am compiling a list of arrivals and departures of ships at Western >> Australia in the 1850s, using newspapers and archival sources here in >> Western Australia. I am documenting as much information as possible >> about each ship. I'm also researching the establishment of the steam >> ship Royal Mail service at Albany in Western Australia in 1852-54. >> >> In 1852, a steam ship mail service to the Australian colonies was >> contracted by the British Government. There were initially 2 >> companies: The Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company and >> the Australian Royal Mail Steam Navigation Company. Because of the >> long distances, coal depots were required, and both companies >> established them at Albany in Princess Royal Harbour at King George's >> Sound so that the steam ships could deliver mail for the Colony of >> Western Australia and refuel at Albany before proceeding to the >> eastern Australian colonies. Albany is about 400 km south of Perth. >> The first mail steam ship arrived in September 1852. >> >> During 1852/1853, a number of ships carried to Albany cargoes of coals >> from England and Wales. One of these that appears to have been >> contracted to the Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company >> called in at Simons Bay for some reason according to the records here: >> >> "Marij? Hillegonda", Dutch ship. Departed Hartlepool, England on 6 >> September 1853. Called at Simons Bay, Cape of Good Hope, departed >> there on 14 April 1854. Arrived at Albany on 18 May 1854. Master = T. >> Visser. Tonnage = 767 tons. Cargo = coals for the P. & O. Company. >> >> It must have stayed at Simons Bay for 4 to 5 months, because another >> Dutch ship, the "D'Elmina", also carrying coals for the P. & O. >> Company, departed Hartlepool at the same time but arrived at Albany >> much earlier on 13 December 1853. >> >> Perhaps it had a mishap on the way. I am interested in anything at >> all. Perhaps there are shipping registers of arrivals and >> departures/crew records held in an archive or mentioned in newspapers? >> >> I would very much appreciate any advice anyone is able to give me as >> to available sources. >> >> Neil >> Perth >> Western Australia >> > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books > www.sagenealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Dear Sharon and subscribers of the Cape Town Mailing List Apologies for this blunder. This posting was intended for SA-EC mailing list. Best wishes Becky

Hi Jill Maybe this helps? I've looked through all my PE MI recordings and this is the only entry I can find. I had another look at the DN that Vic so kindly sent you and I wonder if we shouldn't be looking more in the Tarkastad area? South End Cemetery Extension Block T, Row 2, Plot 134. In loving memory of My beloved husband And our dear father Edgar Charles SHROSBREE Died 22nd July 1952, aged 68 years. Rest in Peace Also our dear mother Louisa E. M. SHROSBREE Died 16th January 1958, aged 75 years. Best wishes Becky

Hello everyone I wonder if someone is able to give me some advice. I am compiling a list of arrivals and departures of ships at Western Australia in the 1850s, using newspapers and archival sources here in Western Australia. I am documenting as much information as possible about each ship. I'm also researching the establishment of the steam ship Royal Mail service at Albany in Western Australia in 1852-54. In 1852, a steam ship mail service to the Australian colonies was contracted by the British Government. There were initially 2 companies: The Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company and the Australian Royal Mail Steam Navigation Company. Because of the long distances, coal depots were required, and both companies established them at Albany in Princess Royal Harbour at King George's Sound so that the steam ships could deliver mail for the Colony of Western Australia and refuel at Albany before proceeding to the eastern Australian colonies. Albany is about 400 km south of Perth. The first mail steam ship arrived in September 1852. During 1852/1853, a number of ships carried to Albany cargoes of coals from England and Wales. One of these that appears to have been contracted to the Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company called in at Simons Bay for some reason according to the records here: "Marij? Hillegonda", Dutch ship. Departed Hartlepool, England on 6 September 1853. Called at Simons Bay, Cape of Good Hope, departed there on 14 April 1854. Arrived at Albany on 18 May 1854. Master = T. Visser. Tonnage = 767 tons. Cargo = coals for the P. & O. Company. It must have stayed at Simons Bay for 4 to 5 months, because another Dutch ship, the "D'Elmina", also carrying coals for the P. & O. Company, departed Hartlepool at the same time but arrived at Albany much earlier on 13 December 1853. Perhaps it had a mishap on the way. I am interested in anything at all. Perhaps there are shipping registers of arrivals and departures/crew records held in an archive or mentioned in newspapers? I would very much appreciate any advice anyone is able to give me as to available sources. Neil Perth Western Australia

Good Day to all the Listers The Cape Town Family History Society will be holding an early Heritage Day Display on 17th September at Wynberg Boys High School. Family Trees, CDs, Books, personal memoribilia and much more will all be on display. The Wynberg Boys' High School Museum and their newly opened Greenwall Boer War Museum will also be open. Come along and join us for an interesting afternoon . Time: 2:30 - 4.30pm Venue: Wynberg Boys' High School, Lovers Walk, Wynberg Entrance : Free Tea & snacks available. Membership forms available. Queries to : Sharon Warr 021-9308810 082-9209643 snw@absamail.co.za or Lucille LeRoux 021-7831854 082-5772030 lucilleleroux@absamail.co.za Regards Sharon Warr South African Genealogy - Lots of links, passenger lists, Immigrants and more - www.sagenealogy.co.za Scribes Publishing - South African historical resources on CD www.sagenealogy.co.za/scribes.htm

Hello, My name is Gerard Cunningham and I live in Nairobi. I am new to this list and I'm not even sure if it is the correct list for my enquiry which is as follows: I am looking for information about Edward Sutton from Ireland who served with the Cape Mounted Police from 1902 to the late 1930s approx. His service record would be of particular interest. thank you and regards

You may all remember that some time back I gave a list of some 500 books which I said my cousin is wanting to sell. Well that's all on. they go on Monday to auctioneers in Auckland at Bethune/ Webb to be sold sometime in November. I don't know how you can manage to bid unless you have someone there. this is just to alert you. Pat

Hello Pat Please send the list - my son is coming to Australia next month Cheers Heather Heather MacAlister Web Site Manager for: www.familytree.co.za + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za E-Centre 46 Hof Street Gardens 8001 Cape Town SOUTH AFRICA Tel: +27-21-481-8316 Fax: +27-21-481-8333 -----Original Message----- From: patfryk [mailto:patfryk@clear.net.nz] Sent: 02 September 2005 09:27 AM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] Books You may all remember that some time back I gave a list of some 500 books which I said my cousin is wanting to sell. Well that's all on. they go on Monday to auctioneers in Auckland at Bethune/ Webb to be sold sometime in November. I don't know how you can manage to bid unless you have someone there. this is just to alert you. Pat ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books www.sagenealogy.co.za ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Is any one researching these names. I would dearly like to contact any family of the following John Rollo DODSON George DODSON Richard DODSON Ann Marie DODSON m. John BUCHAN Harare. Buchan children Fiona, Andrew and Patricia. I know no more than those names but have their ancestry in my GOODISON tree. thanks Pat

Hello Jan Can you tell me what your husbands grandfathers name was ? Also found this information on the Orphan Chamber for you. The Masters’ Division is a creature rich in history not surpassed by any public institution in this country. The creation of the MASTERS’ BUSINESS UNIT is a further chapter of this history. Although the predecessors of the Masters’ Division can be found in the annals of some European countries long before 1652 the real history of the Masters’ Division in South Africa started in 1674 when the “Weeskamer” (Orphan Camber) was created. While the Master is presently a creature of statute the functions of the Orphan Chamber were up to 1714 not prescribed by statute but were founded on its compeers in Holland. In that year the Orphan Chamber prepared some regulations that were approved of by the authorities. These regulations were in force till 1793 where after a thorough investigation was launched into the activities of the Orphan Chamber and new regulations enacted. In 1828 in a preamble the importance of the Orphan Chamber was described as follows: “ Whereas the establishment of the Orphan Chamber in this Colony has become an Institution of great public interest and utility and should therefore placed under permanent and more determinate regulations...”. In 1834 the Master became a creature of statute. The staffing of the Masters’ Division also went through many changes. The Orphan Chamber for instance staffed by a chairperson appointed by the Governor in Council, two officials of the then authorities and two freemen. Only the secretary was paid for his/ her work. One of the officials and one of the freemen had to retire from the Orphan Chamber annually and their successors elected by the Political Council from a list drawn up by the Orphan Chamber itself. The Orphan Chamber was restructured by ordinance in 1828 and then staffed by a chairperson and four Masters appointed by the Governor. Two of the latter had to be civil servants. This ordinance sounded the death bell of the Orphan Chamber, died in 1834 and superseded by the Master of the Supreme Court. The functions of the Masters’ Division underwent many changes through the centuries. Initially the word “Orphan Chamber” was in deed a good description for the activities of the Orphan Chamber since its activities were more focused on minors and widows. Although many regulations pertaining to the functions of the Orphan Chamber were changed through the years major changes took place in the year 1793. With the creation of the office of the Master in 1834 the Master’s functions and duties became prescribed by statute. Initially the Orphan Chamber had, inter alia, a very personal interest in those put under its jurisdiction. The Orphan Chamber for instance put minors under foster care and had to ascertain that those minors were brought up under strict Christian principles and received a proper education and trained in a trade. As is the case today funds of the minors could be used for those purposes. Corporal punishment by officials of the Orphan Chamber was allowed and the undisciplined had to appear before the Orphan Chamber. Their authorities over the persons of the minors were nearly unrestricted - two orphans who time again ran away from their foster parents were enrolled in the army and sent to Batavia. Following numerous enquiries about persons who died and in view of the fact that there was no office of a registrar of deaths at that time persons who died could not be buried before the Orphan Chamber was notified of their deaths! The Guardians’ Fund was an integral part of the system since 1686. All monies belonging to orphans and absent / unknown heirs were deposited in this fund and administration fees (as well as salaries of officials till 1808) were paid from the profits made by the fund. Monies were invested on mortgage bonds and loans against securities at an interest higher than the 6% paid to account holders. Since the Orphan Chamber considered itself a philanthropic institution donations were also made to orphanages and poor churches. It was also recorded that the then Governor, Lord Charles Somerset, even instructed the fund to donate an amount of 51 000 guild to a congregation to build a new parsonage - apparently Mrs Reverend did not like the old parsonage! Only 15 000 guild was forthcoming. Due to the fact that this fund became very ‘affluent’ the ordinary person on the street (dust track?) became mistrustful towards the fund because they apparently believed that the fund could not become so strong in an honourable way. When the then secretary of the Orphan Chamber died in 1737 a shortfall of more than 50 000 guild was discovered in the fund. The authorities decided that the Masters of that time should be held responsible for the shortfall. Understandably they fought this decision and after a period of 15 years a truce was reached between the Masters the authorities whereby the interest earned on the funds of absent heirs used to cover the shortfall. Unfounded stories about enrichment by officials of the Orphan Chamber became the order of the day. During the period 1788 to 1791 the execution of functions by the Orphan Chamber fell in chaos. A commission of enquiry was instituted, the then secretary dismissed and the shortfall of more than 167 000 rix-dollars recovered from his estate. In view of the fact that banking institutions were foreign at that time, the monies of the fund not invested were kept in an iron trunk with three sets of locks. Three different officials kept the keys. However, this arrangement did not prevent the authorities of that time to raid the trunk on two occasions to cover the shortfall on the government’s budget! The control over the liquidation of sequestrated estates befell the Master also in 1828. Before that time such matters were under the control of the courts (till 1803), the “Desolate Kamer” (1803 to 1819) and “sequestrator” (1819 to 1828.) The assessment of succession duty became the duty of the Master in 1864. It is common knowledge that the Voortrekkers of that time were not fond of the then authorities and as they trekked from under the auspices of the British authorities they founded their own Orphan Chambers even while on trek The office of “Weesheer” was a well sought after position and many well known personalities of those times acted as “Weeshere.” At the establishment of the Union of South Africa in 1910 four different sets of control over the administration of estates existed. A so called unified act was enacted in 1913 which act was in operation till 1967 when the current act came into effect. Even today no unified act exists - the next chapter to be written in the long history of the Masters’ Division. by J H Jordaan - Master’s Office Pretoria This information will be placed on the Family Tree Web site with more to come under the Learning Centre Visit South Africa's premier Genealogy + Family History Web sites : www.familytree.co.za <http://www.familytree.co.za> + www.ancestry.mweb.co.za <http://www.ancestry.mweb.co.za> -----Original Message----- From: Jan Hill [mailto:jandb600@ntlworld.com] Sent: 21 August 2005 05:12 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] COLONIAL ORPHAN CHAMBERS Cape Town 1905 I am hoping someone on the list can explain to me what the Colonial Orphan Chambers were. In 1905 my husband's grandfather was before the magistrates in Cape Town for unpaid rent to this organisation. He was a clergyman so maybe worked/lived at the Chambers. Would be grateful for any assistance with this or any information about the names (below) which I'm researching. If any listers are researching these families, I'll be more than willing to share information with them. Thanks, Jan Hill Researching in S Africa: Rev Frederick WINGATE (various postings 1890-1910). He married Dorothy Maxwell. THOMPSON family (descendents of Francis THOMPSON b. 1829 Yorkshire ENGLAND, died in native raid on his son's farm, Cornforth Hill near Kimberley in 1878. MAXWELL family (John MAXWELL married Penelope THOMPSON (b 1851, daughter of Francis Thompson and sister to Francis "Matabele" Thompson, a colleague of Rhodes) ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books www.sagenealogy.co.za ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. 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>From: "Judith Foy" <judithfoy@xtra.co.nz> >He arrived in New Zealand in 1868 on the "Gertrude" which made a direct >trip supposedly England to NZ. Therefore he must have returned to England >after his discharge. >Any suggestions? >Judith Hi Judith I doubt it was a direct voyage in those days. Here is the passenger list, with references in the NZ Archives http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ourstuff/Gertrude1868.htm __________/\/******\/\______ Anne Lehmkuhl, London, UK http://www.rupert.net/~lkool/ Information & the South African Genealogical Research Directory __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

To the list Are there shipping lists Cape Town to England in the 1860s? My ancestor George NEAL(E) was in the Cape Mounted Rifles taking his discharge at King William Town in 1865. He arrived in New Zealand in 1868 on the "Gertrude" which made a direct trip supposedly England to NZ. Therefore he must have returned to England after his discharge. Any suggestions? Judith

John, Thanks very much for this informative reply. I wonder whether the records of the Colonial Orphan Chambers still exist and where they may be held. Do you have any idea? Thanks again, Jan Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "John van Niekerk" <jfvn@iafrica.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] COLONIAL ORPHAN CHAMBERS Cape Town 1905 > Hi Jan > Colonial Orphan Chamber was a trust company that adminstered deceased > estates, estates of persons under one or other form of legal disability or > the financial affairs of trusts or persons entrusted to their care. > During the late 1960's or early 70's this trust company was taken over by > Syfrets Trust, a trust company having similar objects. The offices of the > Colonial Orphan Chamber were situate on the corner of Parliament Street and > Church Square Cape Town. In its time it was a much respected Trust > Company. > Regards > John van Niekerk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Hill" <jandb600@ntlworld.com> > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:11 PM > Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] COLONIAL ORPHAN CHAMBERS Cape Town 1905 > > > > I am hoping someone on the list can explain to me what the Colonial Orphan > > Chambers were. > > In 1905 my husband's grandfather was before the magistrates in Cape Town > for > > unpaid rent to this organisation. > > He was a clergyman so maybe worked/lived at the Chambers. > > Would be grateful for any assistance with this or any information about > the > > names (below) which I'm researching. > > If any listers are researching these families, I'll be more than willing > to > > share information with them. > > Thanks, Jan Hill > > > > Researching in S Africa: > > Rev Frederick WINGATE (various postings 1890-1910). He married Dorothy > > Maxwell. > > THOMPSON family (descendents of Francis THOMPSON b. 1829 Yorkshire > ENGLAND, > > died in native raid on his son's farm, Cornforth Hill near Kimberley in > > 1878. > > MAXWELL family (John MAXWELL married Penelope THOMPSON (b 1851, daughter > of > > Francis Thompson and sister to Francis "Matabele" Thompson, a colleague of > > Rhodes) > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > > South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books > > www.sagenealogy.co.za > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books > www.sagenealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Hi Jan Colonial Orphan Chamber was a trust company that adminstered deceased estates, estates of persons under one or other form of legal disability or the financial affairs of trusts or persons entrusted to their care. During the late 1960's or early 70's this trust company was taken over by Syfrets Trust, a trust company having similar objects. The offices of the Colonial Orphan Chamber were situate on the corner of Parliament Street and Church Square Cape Town. In its time it was a much respected Trust Company. Regards John van Niekerk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Hill" <jandb600@ntlworld.com> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:11 PM Subject: [South-Africa-Cape-Town] COLONIAL ORPHAN CHAMBERS Cape Town 1905 > I am hoping someone on the list can explain to me what the Colonial Orphan > Chambers were. > In 1905 my husband's grandfather was before the magistrates in Cape Town for > unpaid rent to this organisation. > He was a clergyman so maybe worked/lived at the Chambers. > Would be grateful for any assistance with this or any information about the > names (below) which I'm researching. > If any listers are researching these families, I'll be more than willing to > share information with them. > Thanks, Jan Hill > > Researching in S Africa: > Rev Frederick WINGATE (various postings 1890-1910). He married Dorothy > Maxwell. > THOMPSON family (descendents of Francis THOMPSON b. 1829 Yorkshire ENGLAND, > died in native raid on his son's farm, Cornforth Hill near Kimberley in > 1878. > MAXWELL family (John MAXWELL married Penelope THOMPSON (b 1851, daughter of > Francis Thompson and sister to Francis "Matabele" Thompson, a colleague of > Rhodes) > > > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Mailing List ==== > South African Passenger Lists, Genealogy links, CDs and books > www.sagenealogy.co.za > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >