Hi all, As part of my research into Victorian singer/actress Marie (Mary) LONGMORE, I am now trying to check whether her brother, Alexander, eventually settled/died in South Africa. Born in Bilston (Staffordshire) in 1841, he joined the 20th Regiment of Foot (later absorbed into the Lancashire Fusiliers) in 1860, which included a tour of duty in South Africa. Whilst there, on 23rd April 1871 at Williamstown, he married Alice THOMAS-KING (bn circa 1853 in Natal). He arrived back in the UK in January 1872 and until his discharge at the end of March 1882, he appears to have served on the staff of 17 Brigade at Wellington Barracks in Bury, Lancashire. On the 1881 Census he is shown at the Barracks with the rank of Sergeant Major, along with his wife and children Alexander (bn 1875), John (bn 1877), Charles Frances (bn 1879), and Lilian Lydia (bn 1881). His military records show that he was promoted to the rank of Warrant Officer in July 1881, but after that he and his family just disappear, not appearing on 1891, 1901 or 1911 censuses, nor do the children appear to marry or die. This makes me think that he & his family may have returned to South Africa. Although his sister Marie performed in the USA, Germany & Australia, as well as the UK, I have no record of her having worked in South Africa. I would welcome contact/information from anyone who can add to my knowledge of this branch of the LONGMORE and/or THOMAS-KING families. Regards, Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com

Hi, Are you sure it isn't Alice THOMAS at Kingwilliamstown? There is also a ref in the National archives as follows: "DEPOT VAB (Free State Archives) SOURCE MHG (Master of the High Court) TYPE LEER (File) VOLUME_NO 0 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE L1944 PART 1 DESCRIPTION LONGMORE, ALEXANDER MICHAEL PAGET. EGGENOTE (Spouse) ALICE KATE LONGMORE. STARTING 19210000 ENDING 19210000 " I have added the necessary English translation in brackets. Perhaps some kind soul will do the look up for you in Bloemfontein. It will be a record of the estate (probate) and with luck will contain a deat notice with family deails David B Born in Bilston (Staffordshire) in 1841, he joined the 20th Regiment of Foot (later absorbed into the Lancashire Fusiliers) in 1860, which included a tour of duty in South Africa. Whilst there, on 23rd April 1871 at Williamstown, he married Alice THOMAS-KING (bn circa 1853 in Natal).

My godfather in East London was an Alec LONGMORE, close friend of my father and I suppose more or less his contemporary (my father was born in 1909). I don't know whether he is from the same family, though the name may not be coincidental, and I may be able to find more details about him if you need them (including photos). Geoff On 16 May 2010 17:44, David and Mary Bossenger <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > Are you sure it isn't Alice THOMAS at Kingwilliamstown? > There is also a ref in the National archives as follows: > "DEPOT     VAB      (Free State Archives) >  SOURCE    MHG     (Master of the High Court) > TYPE      LEER          (File) > VOLUME_NO 0 >  SYSTEM    01 > REFERENCE L1944 > PART      1 >  DESCRIPTION          LONGMORE, ALEXANDER MICHAEL PAGET. EGGENOTE (Spouse) > ALICE KATE LONGMORE. > STARTING  19210000       ENDING    19210000  " > I have added the necessary English translation in brackets. > Perhaps some kind soul will do the look up for you in Bloemfontein.  It will > be a record of the estate (probate) and with luck will contain a deat notice > with family deails > > Born in Bilston (Staffordshire) in 1841, he joined the 20th Regiment of Foot > (later absorbed into the Lancashire Fusiliers) in 1860, which included a > tour of duty in South Africa. Whilst there, on 23rd April 1871 at > Williamstown, he married Alice THOMAS-KING (bn circa 1853 in Natal). -- Geoff Chew [email protected]

Hi Geoff, Thats a good start Geoff. Thank you for your Help, I will order the documents as you sugested. Regards Will Will Freijser Assumburg 84 2402KV Alphen aan den Rijn The Netherlands T: 0614798613 E: [email protected] -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Namens Geoff Chew Verzonden: vrijdag 14 mei 2010 20:03 Aan: [email protected] Onderwerp: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] (no subject) His will is in the Cape Archives (the index is at <www.national.archives.gov.za/naairs_content.htm>): DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 7/1/229 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 83 PART 1 DESCRIPTION FREYSER, CAREL JOHANNES. WILL. STARTING 18570000 ENDING 18570000 REMARKS FILED 1856. His wife's will is also in the Cape Archives: DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 7/1/229 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 83 PART 1 DESCRIPTION BOOYENS, JOHANNA SUSANNA MAGDALENA HERMIENA. WIFE OF CAREL JOHANNES FREYSER. WILL. STARTING 18570000 ENDING 18570000 REMARKS FILED 1856. There is also another Freijser document: DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 6/9/2153 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 3065 PART 1 DESCRIPTION FREYSER, THOMAS STEPHANUS. ESTATE PAPERS. STARTING 19210000 ENDING 19210000 Images of these documents can be ordered from the archive, or you could find a researcher and ask for a transcription (the archive no longer allows researchers to use digital cameras to capture images). Geoff On 14 May 2010 15:58, will freijser <[email protected]> wrote: > I am from Holland, and my family is also typical Dutch. I am researching de > family members who went to other parts of the world. > > Can anyone help me to find more information about what I found on the > Internet at South African Ancestors? > > Carel Johannes Freijser 1857 > > It should be info about his Death at Cape Town. -- Geoff Chew [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.819 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2874 - datum van uitgifte: 05/14/10 20:26:00 _____ Ik gebruik de gratis versie van SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/lnl> 233 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. Uw PC enorm traag? Klik <http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter/Lang_NL/?cid=signl> voor de oplossing! Geen virus gevonden in het uitgaande-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.819 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2877 - datum van uitgifte: 05/16/10 08:26:00

I really should have added that it is of enormous help and comfort for "us'n" who are now living in farflung lands and have little hope of ever returning to be part of this wonderful programme, or to find these graves/headstones for ourselves. Thanks again, Coral Anna (Cartwright) Foster Shenandoah Valley Virginia, USA. > Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 21:05:22 +0200 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Plumstead Cemetery Images available > > Hi Coral > It is a pleasure. It was hard work over almost a weeks worth of photographing almost 5000 graves. Out of the 30 000 people buried there it was noted that 20% of headstones had fallen over or were broken, 20% of graves had headstones at all and 10% were unmarked gravves - so you can figure that there is almost a 50% loss of names in that cemetery. I could not find my great great grandmother's grave who was one of the first people buried their and strange as it may be I remeber seeing it in the last 5 years. I am told that there are no records for the early burials. > > So we need to make sure that these are photographed for posterity. > If anyone would like to be a volunteer and either become a "friend of the crypt" or help tag images, please email me at [email protected] > thanks to all our existing volunteers. > regards >

Hi Coral It is a pleasure. It was hard work over almost a weeks worth of photographing almost 5000 graves. Out of the 30 000 people buried there it was noted that 20% of headstones had fallen over or were broken, 20% of graves had headstones at all and 10% were unmarked gravves - so you can figure that there is almost a 50% loss of names in that cemetery. I could not find my great great grandmother's grave who was one of the first people buried their and strange as it may be I remeber seeing it in the last 5 years. I am told that there are no records for the early burials. So we need to make sure that these are photographed for posterity. If anyone would like to be a volunteer and either become a "friend of the crypt" or help tag images, please email me at [email protected] thanks to all our existing volunteers. regards Heather Heather MacAlister Channel Manager Tel:021 446 5200 Fax:+27 (0)86 581 0390 www.ancestry24.co.za Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/ancestry24 Skype: Ancestry24 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] on behalf of Coral Anna Foster Sent: Fri 14/05/2010 07:35 PM To: south africa Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Plumstead Cemetery Images available Thanks Heather, I've now sene my maternal grandfather's resitng place, found out that a school pal is buried in the cemetery and the mother of another friend! It's amazing how one can become updated these days. Thanks for all your hard work and your sharing. Have a great weekend Coral Anna > Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 17:04:10 +0200 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Plumstead Cemetery Images available > > Hi Everyone > > Just a quick post to let you know that 2000 new images have been added on Plumstead Cemetery to the Ancestry24 Gallery > > > > > - > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________ This email and its contents are subject to an email legal notice that can be viewed at: http://www.naspers.com/email/disclaimer.html Should you be unable to access the link provided, please email us for a copy at [email protected] Hierdie e-pos en sy inhoud is onderhewig aan 'n regskennisgewing oor elektroniese pos wat gelees kan word by http://www.naspers.com/epos/vrywaring.html 'n Afskrif kan aangevra word by [email protected] ____________________________________________________________________________

His will is in the Cape Archives (the index is at <www.national.archives.gov.za/naairs_content.htm>): DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 7/1/229 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 83 PART 1 DESCRIPTION FREYSER, CAREL JOHANNES. WILL. STARTING 18570000 ENDING 18570000 REMARKS FILED 1856. His wife's will is also in the Cape Archives: DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 7/1/229 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 83 PART 1 DESCRIPTION BOOYENS, JOHANNA SUSANNA MAGDALENA HERMIENA. WIFE OF CAREL JOHANNES FREYSER. WILL. STARTING 18570000 ENDING 18570000 REMARKS FILED 1856. There is also another Freijser document: DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 6/9/2153 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 3065 PART 1 DESCRIPTION FREYSER, THOMAS STEPHANUS. ESTATE PAPERS. STARTING 19210000 ENDING 19210000 Images of these documents can be ordered from the archive, or you could find a researcher and ask for a transcription (the archive no longer allows researchers to use digital cameras to capture images). Geoff On 14 May 2010 15:58, will freijser <[email protected]> wrote: > I am from Holland, and my family is also typical Dutch. I am researching de > family members who went to other parts of the world. > > Can anyone help me to find more information about what I found on the > Internet at South African Ancestors? > > Carel Johannes Freijser 1857 > > It should be info about his Death at Cape Town. -- Geoff Chew [email protected]

Thanks Heather, I've now sene my maternal grandfather's resitng place, found out that a school pal is buried in the cemetery and the mother of another friend! It's amazing how one can become updated these days. Thanks for all your hard work and your sharing. Have a great weekend Coral Anna > Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 17:04:10 +0200 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Plumstead Cemetery Images available > > Hi Everyone > > Just a quick post to let you know that 2000 new images have been added on Plumstead Cemetery to the Ancestry24 Gallery > > > > > - > >

Hi Everyone Just a quick post to let you know that 2000 new images have been added on Plumstead Cemetery to the Ancestry24 Gallery http://gallery.ancestry24.com/v/Cemeteries/Cape/?g2_page=4 best wishes Heather Heather MacAlister Channel Manager Tel:021 446 5200 Fax:+27 (0)86 581 0390 www.ancestry24.co.za Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/ancestry24 Skype: Ancestry24 - ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________ This email and its contents are subject to an email legal notice that can be viewed at: http://www.naspers.com/email/disclaimer.html Should you be unable to access the link provided, please email us for a copy at [email protected] Hierdie e-pos en sy inhoud is onderhewig aan 'n regskennisgewing oor elektroniese pos wat gelees kan word by http://www.naspers.com/epos/vrywaring.html 'n Afskrif kan aangevra word by [email protected] ____________________________________________________________________________

Hello readers, I am from Holland, and my family is also typical Dutch. I am researching de family members who went to other parts of the world. Can anyone help me to find more information about what I found on the Internet at South African Ancestors? Carel Johannes Freijser 1857 It should be info about his Death at Cape Town. Regards Will Freijser Will Freijser Assumburg 84 2402KV Alphen aan den Rijn The Netherlands T: +31614798613 E: [email protected] P Denk aan het milieu voordat u dit bericht print. Geen virus gevonden in het uitgaande-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.819 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2872 - datum van uitgifte: 05/13/10 20:26:00

Can anyone help me find information on the marriages of Thomas & George Sheffield. They arrived in Grahamstown in 1860 with their parents and other brothers & sisters. By the mid 1880s Thomas & George owned the Eastern Star newspaper in Garahmstown and in the late 1880's they moved to Johannesburg. The only details I have on their marriages is that Thomas' 1st wife died in 1879 and he remarried to Kathleen Mason - I believe that both marriages were in Grahamstown And re George Sheffield, all I know is that his wife's name was Julia. Regards Lynn Anderson. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 2222 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Dear All Can some one help/refer me to a person that could assist with Jordaan death notices in Cape Town, Pretoria and Windhoek. Kind regards Marthinus Dr MJS Jordaan (PhD) www.mjsjordaan.co.za Sel: 084 577 3226 Faks: 0866 949 418 Skype: drmarthinusjordaan   B&B @ Bloem: [email protected]   Marthinus Jordaan Eiendomme/Properties: [email protected]   Erfenistoerisme / Heritage tourism: [email protected]   Genealogie en navorsing / genealogy and research: [email protected]   Posbus 11 905, Universitas. RSA 9321

Hi Listers Sorry for the wait for requested photo's. Went and took some this morning, but the rest will have to wait for 10 days. The cemetery is being cleaned up - or so I was promised. (The cemetery falls within the Fan Park for the 2010 soccer.) Strange how things can now be cleaned! Have a good day. Carol

Hi Folks I believe there is a book on the de Vere family, including family trees. If anyone has access, I would appreciate a lookup for marriages: (1) Maria de Vere to Frederick or any other christian name with any surname, (2) Frederick de Vere to Maria with any surname. I am looking in the period early 1850s or before. If you don't have access to this book, can you suggest how I may get access to it? Gordon

I would like to find Valerie Clark, nee Hall who married in Durban? in the 1950s. I believe that Valerie has researched her family history well, including the Webbs who are part of my family.. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 2221 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Once again I am trying to trace the Ashley family history. Have through Ancestry 24 managed to pick up quite a bit of information which is great but seem to have come to a halt. According to my Grandfather's (Edwin Langford) Death Notice his mother was Jane Maria Woodward Ashley (nee Shearer). She married Clement Walter in May 1877 and information I have managed to find is that she had 5 children (Clement Charles, George Stanley, Maud, Sydney William and Constance). Constance Ashley married Percival White Honnet whom we were told was our grandfather's sister. Jane Maria Woodward Ashley married Harry Coomber (unable to find out when) and they had a son Lewis Woodward on 17 June 1898 and apparently the marriage was dissolved about 1903 and she changed Lewis Woodward's surname from Coomber to Ashley. Edward Langford Ashley was born, from what we can gather from the death notice, around about October 1897 and this is where we cannot fit the pieces as not having exact the exact date of his birth makes it difficult o work out as there seems to be only 8 months between the two, and unless he was born prematurely could not have been her child and yet the death notice says mother. Any help would be really appreciated. Penny Hobbs

Present and future family researchers will thank you for your efforts, a word of caution though, it is better to go in a group for safety reasons (and much more fun to be doing it with others too). Why not start a "friends of the crypt" volunteer group [ see the Ancestry24.co.za web site ] that way your photo record can be made available to many more people, I am sure Heather Mc Alister at Ancestry 24 would be able to give you some good advice on how to go about it Neville [volunteer with friends of the crypt Cape Town] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Beneke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] St Georges Park Cemetery,Port Elizabeth > Hi Listers > > To Becky and other list administrators > If what I'm doing is wrong, I apologies. > But something has to be done to preserve the info on these > headstones in this cemetery. > > I write this e-mail with disgust after having spent a while in this > cemetery. > > Although the cemetery is locked and the key has to be fetched > at the park office, we still find vagrants have taken over. > A lot of the graves are badly overgrown and some totally illegible > others badly damaged. > > Why this letter? I'm going back early next week and will take photo's > of those that I can. Anyone wanting any particular ones can let me > know off list and I'll do my utmost to get them for you. > > This is done for no other reason than to preserve the memories > of those that are interred there. > > Have a good day > Carol > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Afraid to say it is the same with most cemeteries Kevin -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carol Beneke Sent: 05 May 2010 16:34 To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] St Georges Park Cemetery,Port Elizabeth Hi Listers To Becky and other list administrators If what I'm doing is wrong, I apologies. But something has to be done to preserve the info on these headstones in this cemetery. I write this e-mail with disgust after having spent a while in this cemetery. Although the cemetery is locked and the key has to be fetched at the park office, we still find vagrants have taken over. A lot of the graves are badly overgrown and some totally illegible others badly damaged. Why this letter? I'm going back early next week and will take photo's of those that I can. Anyone wanting any particular ones can let me know off list and I'll do my utmost to get them for you. This is done for no other reason than to preserve the memories of those that are interred there. Have a good day Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers To Becky and other list administrators If what I'm doing is wrong, I apologies. But something has to be done to preserve the info on these headstones in this cemetery. I write this e-mail with disgust after having spent a while in this cemetery. Although the cemetery is locked and the key has to be fetched at the park office, we still find vagrants have taken over. A lot of the graves are badly overgrown and some totally illegible others badly damaged. Why this letter? I'm going back early next week and will take photo's of those that I can. Anyone wanting any particular ones can let me know off list and I'll do my utmost to get them for you. This is done for no other reason than to preserve the memories of those that are interred there. Have a good day Carol

Hello, My grandfather Francis Bolton George Tipler was born in 1906 in Cape of Good Hope South Africa. His parents left shortly after his birth and returned to England. Not much longer they came to Canada and this is where they stayed. I live in Northern Ontario Canada. I noticed a conversation about preserving cemeteries in South Africa. A fellow from here decided several years ago to take pictures of every tombstone in Northern Ontario and put it on line. He is now working his way through Ontario and has another site for all of Canada. Just thought you might like to check it out. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~murrayp/ Sincerely Tammy Tipler Priolo