Hope this is of interest Ann Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: Cork Genealogical Society To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 9:34 PM Subject: CGS - 1901 census of Ireland Dear Member, The complete 1901 census will be available online on the National Archive site from June 3rd 2010 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ Patrick Murphy

Hi Neville Well I have been trying to research my family tree (Ashley) through this site but had no luck but what a surprise to your email and the mention of the Hobbs family name. My husband is a Hobbs and I managed, after a long long search, to finally get the descendants of Phillip Hobbs who was one of the 1820 Settlers on the Weymouth. Love to know where you fit in. Gone through all the names (15 pages) but cannot see the surname Rasmussen but must admit there must be a lot of information missing. Penny Hobbs -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Neville Rasmussen Sent: 26 May 2010 11:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Maritime Museum, Woolwich, London, England Tombi Hi! I got the ships log of the Weymouth, the ship that my 1820 Hobbs family came out on. I found it on the "1820settlers.com" website. Getting the log was wonderful as they recorded not only the sailing details of the route and the weather conditions etc but also any other happenings like deaths and births aboard ship. I knew that my 1820 family had a young child who died aboard and looking through the log I found not only the date but also the ships position on the dayof the burial at sea. I also found out that there was a second child an infant that we knew nothing about that died and the details of the death were also recorded. This has made it possible to include a map of the Atlantic with crosses marking the burial sites among our family history papers. In fact reading the log gives a facinating insight into the journey from the embarkation to the landing. Neville > Hi folks, > I've been bothering a poor chap in the Library of the National Maritime > Museum in Woolwich ....poor bloke was about to go to lunch so used the > excuse that the computer was being slow and unco-operative.... > > I'm sure it's been discussed on the lists before but I wanted confirmation > about the route that the 1820 Setter (and other) ships would have taken to > the Cape. He confirmed what I had heard but hadn't had confirmed that > the ships went to the Azores where they took the 'Westerlies' to Rio where > they picked up the 'Southerlies' and went down to the Cape from > there.....!! As he said it depended on the time of year which route ships > took but in December/Jan/Feb which was when our ancestors sailed this > would have been the most likely route for them to have used. > > I will try another day (and not at lunch time) to see if I can find out > more. > > He mentioned that the National Maritime Museum at Woolwich holds copies of > the Lloyds Lists which recorded much sailing information....I might just > have to save a few pennies and go and spend some time there....I have a > friend who lives in Deptford (you can see the banks of the Thames from the > bedroom window I usually occupy) which is where the dockyards in the > 1820's would have been situated..... > > If I manage to find out more information I will post it to the lists. > > I now have to check out the letter written by a family member to her son > in California where she mentions that my gg grandfather Herbert Howard > BROWNE has been visiting them (they lived in London) en route from his > home Pudding Norton Hall near Fakenham, Norfolk en route to the Cape of > Good Hope to join an uncle who was already living out there. Unfortunately > she doesn't mention which uncle he was planning to join....we don't know > the precise year other than the fact that she mentions he is just > 16.....working out from his date of birth it looks as though he travelled > to the Cape in about 1872....because he was most likely a steerage > passenger so far I haven't been able to identify exactly when and from > where he sailed. I would dearly like to find out the name of the ship > he sailed on! > > I guess we must be satisfied that at least we know when our 1820 Settler > ancestors arrived at the Cape! It also seems less difficult to find the > records for our French Huguenot and Dutch ancestors and their sailings to > the Cape! > Best wishes, > Tombi Peck > > > Best wishes, > Tombi Peck > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5146 (20100526) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5146 (20100526) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5147 (20100526) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5147 (20100526) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hi Penny I have had great difficulty in tracing English family who emigrated to South Africa (1850 - 1900) as the passport and ship passenger lists are very difficult to find and unless you know for certain which ship and date of departure you are left with a list of names which could / could not be the ones you are looking for . If born in SA then I would suggest that you look in UK at port arrivals , shipping lines as their records can only be better than those of SA . German : a group of Germans emigrated to SA in 1850-1870 . Look on the site "German Immigrants to South Africa" --- managed by Keith _____ . in East London . Cape Town : National and Cape Archives are pretty well organized but response may be slow . I would suggest that you contact Anne Clarkson [email protected] . She has helped me greatly . Regards Kevin -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Penny Price Sent: 26 May 2010 11:05 To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Request for advice in researching Thornefamily in the Cape Hello, Please can I ask for some advice as this is the first time I have contacted such an online discussion forum tracing family trees. I have looked into family history research in England and Wales but not ventured outside the UK resources before so am unaware as to what possible sources are available in South Africa and the Cape. I would appreciate any advice as to how to trace a George Alexander Thorne - born abt 1854 in Cape Town South Africa (British citizen) according to the 1891 E&W Census - then living in Liverpool, UK as a port messenger. He must have arrived in Liverpool prior to 1879 when he married Charlotte Louisa Johnson of Liverpool. He is listed as a mariner and no Thornes witnessed his marriage, only Johnsons. I cannot find him on the 1881 census - possibly he was sea at this time - but can find his wife and daughter in Liverpool. His father is listed on the marriage certificate as also George Alexander Thorne - Gentleman (am unsure as to what exactly this means). I would be grateful if anyone could point me in the right direction to find out more about both George Alexander Thornes or if a Thorne family settled in the Cape. Much interest seems to lie in settlers to the Cape but what of movement back to Europe: is this possible to trace? Family oral history speaks of some vague German connection along this male line, linked to the blade industry and steel works, so to suddenly find a South African connection has rather thrown us, in a most interesting direction. Any advice would be most gratefully received. Thank you and best wishes Penny Price [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Neville, That is fascinating! Sue Mackay said that she transcribed part of the 'Weymouth' ships log but that was before digital cameras were permitted in the Archives.# She has said once she has finished transcribing the South African Commercial........ newspapers she will have another crack at transcribing the whole of the Weymouth log after photographing it at the National Archives at Kew. In the meanwhile I will check out the transcription on 1820settlers.com. The thing that jogged me into this is that one of the distant cousins (Australian by birth) had a relative who wrote the most wonderful diary of his trip from the U.K. to Australia.....he included sketches of various interesting wildlife sightings and sketches or the ports they visited en route.....I don't know but have to assume that he was travelling cabin class (unlike our 1820 Settler families) so had the opportunity to be on deck.....a rare opportunity for our families from what I understand....the Church Service on Sundays being a rare exception I understand. Unfortunately none of my ancestors sailed on the 'Weymouth'; Two lots were on the Kenilworth Castle, two lots on the Chapman. Unfortunately so far I haven't been able to find out when my ancestor John Newhouse BEALE emigrated....he wasn't one of the 1820 Settler BEALE family members as far as I can see.... His parents William and Mary BEALE from Wakefield, Yorkshire did not emigrate to the Cape....he was 17 in 1820 and of course I may have missed him amongst the lists although I have looked....he may have travelled out as someone's servant. He married Emma HEWSON at St. George's Anglican Church, Graham's Town on the 16th September 1831 at the age of 28. He died young only 7 years later. Best wishes, Tombi Peck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neville Rasmussen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Maritime Museum, Woolwich, London,England > Tombi Hi! > I got the ships log of the Weymouth, the ship that my 1820 Hobbs family came > out on. I found it on the "1820settlers.com" website. Getting the log was > wonderful as they recorded not only the sailing details of the route and the > weather conditions etc but also any other happenings like deaths and births > aboard ship. I knew that my 1820 family had a young child who died aboard > and looking through the log I found not only the date but also the ships > position on the dayof the burial at sea. I also found out that there was a > second child an infant that we knew nothing about that died and the details > of the death were also recorded. This has made it possible to include a map > of the Atlantic with crosses marking the burial sites among our family > history papers. > > In fact reading the log gives a facinating insight into the journey from the > embarkation to the landing. > > Neville > > > >> Hi folks, >> I've been bothering a poor chap in the Library of the National Maritime >> Museum in Woolwich ....poor bloke was about to go to lunch so used the >> excuse that the computer was being slow and unco-operative.... >> >> I'm sure it's been discussed on the lists before but I wanted confirmation >> about the route that the 1820 Setter (and other) ships would have taken to >> the Cape. He confirmed what I had heard but hadn't had confirmed that >> the ships went to the Azores where they took the 'Westerlies' to Rio where >> they picked up the 'Southerlies' and went down to the Cape from >> there.....!! As he said it depended on the time of year which route ships >> took but in December/Jan/Feb which was when our ancestors sailed this >> would have been the most likely route for them to have used. >> >> I will try another day (and not at lunch time) to see if I can find out >> more. >> >> He mentioned that the National Maritime Museum at Woolwich holds copies of >> the Lloyds Lists which recorded much sailing information....I might just >> have to save a few pennies and go and spend some time there....I have a >> friend who lives in Deptford (you can see the banks of the Thames from the >> bedroom window I usually occupy) which is where the dockyards in the >> 1820's would have been situated..... >> >> If I manage to find out more information I will post it to the lists. >> >> I now have to check out the letter written by a family member to her son >> in California where she mentions that my gg grandfather Herbert Howard >> BROWNE has been visiting them (they lived in London) en route from his >> home Pudding Norton Hall near Fakenham, Norfolk en route to the Cape of >> Good Hope to join an uncle who was already living out there. Unfortunately >> she doesn't mention which uncle he was planning to join....we don't know >> the precise year other than the fact that she mentions he is just >> 16.....working out from his date of birth it looks as though he travelled >> to the Cape in about 1872....because he was most likely a steerage >> passenger so far I haven't been able to identify exactly when and from >> where he sailed. I would dearly like to find out the name of the ship >> he sailed on! >> >> I guess we must be satisfied that at least we know when our 1820 Settler >> ancestors arrived at the Cape! It also seems less difficult to find the >> records for our French Huguenot and Dutch ancestors and their sailings to >> the Cape! >> Best wishes, >> Tombi Peck >> >> >> Best wishes, >> Tombi Peck >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2896 - Release Date: 05/25/10 19:26:00

Hi Penny Ancestry24 has over 50 000 passengers listed from departures and arrival from the UK covering the years 1850 - 1885 from the Public Works Department records. http://ancestry24.com/where-to-start/available-databases/ regards Heather Heather MacAlister Channel Manager E  [email protected] T  +27 (021) 446 5200   M + 27 (0)82 8082251  |  F +27 (0)86 581 0390  |  twitter.com/ancestry24  |  skype.com/ancestry24 7th Floor Media City, 1 Heerengracht, Cape Town, 8000  |  www.ancestry24.co.za -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kevin Baxter Sent: 26 May 2010 10:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Request for advice in researchingThornefamily in the Cape Hi Penny I have had great difficulty in tracing English family who emigrated to South Africa (1850 - 1900) as the passport and ship passenger lists are very difficult to find and unless you know for certain which ship and date of departure you are left with a list of names which could / could not be the ones you are looking for . If born in SA then I would suggest that you look in UK at port arrivals , shipping lines as their records can only be better than those of SA . German : a group of Germans emigrated to SA in 1850-1870 . Look on the site "German Immigrants to South Africa" --- managed by Keith _____ . in East London . Cape Town : National and Cape Archives are pretty well organized but response may be slow . I would suggest that you contact Anne Clarkson [email protected] . She has helped me greatly . Regards Kevin -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Penny Price Sent: 26 May 2010 11:05 To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Request for advice in researching Thornefamily in the Cape Hello, Please can I ask for some advice as this is the first time I have contacted such an online discussion forum tracing family trees. I have looked into family history research in England and Wales but not ventured outside the UK resources before so am unaware as to what possible sources are available in South Africa and the Cape. I would appreciate any advice as to how to trace a George Alexander Thorne - born abt 1854 in Cape Town South Africa (British citizen) according to the 1891 E&W Census - then living in Liverpool, UK as a port messenger. He must have arrived in Liverpool prior to 1879 when he married Charlotte Louisa Johnson of Liverpool. He is listed as a mariner and no Thornes witnessed his marriage, only Johnsons. I cannot find him on the 1881 census - possibly he was sea at this time - but can find his wife and daughter in Liverpool. His father is listed on the marriage certificate as also George Alexander Thorne - Gentleman (am unsure as to what exactly this means). I would be grateful if anyone could point me in the right direction to find out more about both George Alexander Thornes or if a Thorne family settled in the Cape. Much interest seems to lie in settlers to the Cape but what of movement back to Europe: is this possible to trace? Family oral history speaks of some vague German connection along this male line, linked to the blade industry and steel works, so to suddenly find a South African connection has rather thrown us, in a most interesting direction. Any advice would be most gratefully received. Thank you and best wishes Penny Price [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tombi Hi! I got the ships log of the Weymouth, the ship that my 1820 Hobbs family came out on. I found it on the "1820settlers.com" website. Getting the log was wonderful as they recorded not only the sailing details of the route and the weather conditions etc but also any other happenings like deaths and births aboard ship. I knew that my 1820 family had a young child who died aboard and looking through the log I found not only the date but also the ships position on the dayof the burial at sea. I also found out that there was a second child an infant that we knew nothing about that died and the details of the death were also recorded. This has made it possible to include a map of the Atlantic with crosses marking the burial sites among our family history papers. In fact reading the log gives a facinating insight into the journey from the embarkation to the landing. Neville > Hi folks, > I've been bothering a poor chap in the Library of the National Maritime > Museum in Woolwich ....poor bloke was about to go to lunch so used the > excuse that the computer was being slow and unco-operative.... > > I'm sure it's been discussed on the lists before but I wanted confirmation > about the route that the 1820 Setter (and other) ships would have taken to > the Cape. He confirmed what I had heard but hadn't had confirmed that > the ships went to the Azores where they took the 'Westerlies' to Rio where > they picked up the 'Southerlies' and went down to the Cape from > there.....!! As he said it depended on the time of year which route ships > took but in December/Jan/Feb which was when our ancestors sailed this > would have been the most likely route for them to have used. > > I will try another day (and not at lunch time) to see if I can find out > more. > > He mentioned that the National Maritime Museum at Woolwich holds copies of > the Lloyds Lists which recorded much sailing information....I might just > have to save a few pennies and go and spend some time there....I have a > friend who lives in Deptford (you can see the banks of the Thames from the > bedroom window I usually occupy) which is where the dockyards in the > 1820's would have been situated..... > > If I manage to find out more information I will post it to the lists. > > I now have to check out the letter written by a family member to her son > in California where she mentions that my gg grandfather Herbert Howard > BROWNE has been visiting them (they lived in London) en route from his > home Pudding Norton Hall near Fakenham, Norfolk en route to the Cape of > Good Hope to join an uncle who was already living out there. Unfortunately > she doesn't mention which uncle he was planning to join....we don't know > the precise year other than the fact that she mentions he is just > 16.....working out from his date of birth it looks as though he travelled > to the Cape in about 1872....because he was most likely a steerage > passenger so far I haven't been able to identify exactly when and from > where he sailed. I would dearly like to find out the name of the ship > he sailed on! > > I guess we must be satisfied that at least we know when our 1820 Settler > ancestors arrived at the Cape! It also seems less difficult to find the > records for our French Huguenot and Dutch ancestors and their sailings to > the Cape! > Best wishes, > Tombi Peck > > > Best wishes, > Tombi Peck > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Please can I ask for some advice as this is the first time I have contacted such an online discussion forum tracing family trees. I have looked into family history research in England and Wales but not ventured outside the UK resources before so am unaware as to what possible sources are available in South Africa and the Cape. I would appreciate any advice as to how to trace a George Alexander Thorne - born abt 1854 in Cape Town South Africa (British citizen) according to the 1891 E&W Census - then living in Liverpool, UK as a port messenger. He must have arrived in Liverpool prior to 1879 when he married Charlotte Louisa Johnson of Liverpool. He is listed as a mariner and no Thornes witnessed his marriage, only Johnsons. I cannot find him on the 1881 census - possibly he was sea at this time - but can find his wife and daughter in Liverpool. His father is listed on the marriage certificate as also George Alexander Thorne - Gentleman (am unsure as to what exactly this means). I would be grateful if anyone could point me in the right direction to find out more about both George Alexander Thornes or if a Thorne family settled in the Cape. Much interest seems to lie in settlers to the Cape but what of movement back to Europe: is this possible to trace? Family oral history speaks of some vague German connection along this male line, linked to the blade industry and steel works, so to suddenly find a South African connection has rather thrown us, in a most interesting direction. Any advice would be most gratefully received. Thank you and best wishes Penny Price [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>

Hi Tombi As usual I find your mails most interesting and I look forward to any information you may find regarding the route our 1820 ancestors took to the Cape. This is an aspect of the 1820 settlers I've not come across on the list before. (researching 1820 DANIEL (Sampson O'Malia)settlers + Benningfield/Eybers & van Tubbergh) Brian Benningfield Internet Marketing Biz. Low cost of entry - quick $ payouts. No stock purchases; No meetings; Step-by-step Plan. http://www.myxtremeprofits.com/?id=brianben44 Ph: 083-2759857 or E-mail: [email protected] Skype: brianben44 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tombi Peck Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:59 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; South Africa British Immigrants Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Maritime Museum, Woolwich, London, England Hi folks, I've been bothering a poor chap in the Library of the National Maritime Museum in Woolwich ....poor bloke was about to go to lunch so used the excuse that the computer was being slow and unco-operative.... I'm sure it's been discussed on the lists before but I wanted confirmation about the route that the 1820 Setter (and other) ships would have taken to the Cape. He confirmed what I had heard but hadn't had confirmed that the ships went to the Azores where they took the 'Westerlies' to Rio where they picked up the 'Southerlies' and went down to the Cape from there.....!! As he said it depended on the time of year which route ships took but in December/Jan/Feb which was when our ancestors sailed this would have been the most likely route for them to have used. I will try another day (and not at lunch time) to see if I can find out more. He mentioned that the National Maritime Museum at Woolwich holds copies of the Lloyds Lists which recorded much sailing information....I might just have to save a few pennies and go and spend some time there....I have a friend who lives in Deptford (you can see the banks of the Thames from the bedroom window I usually occupy) which is where the dockyards in the 1820's would have been situated..... If I manage to find out more information I will post it to the lists. I now have to check out the letter written by a family member to her son in California where she mentions that my gg grandfather Herbert Howard BROWNE has been visiting them (they lived in London) en route from his home Pudding Norton Hall near Fakenham, Norfolk en route to the Cape of Good Hope to join an uncle who was already living out there. Unfortunately she doesn't mention which uncle he was planning to join....we don't know the precise year other than the fact that she mentions he is just 16.....working out from his date of birth it looks as though he travelled to the Cape in about 1872....because he was most likely a steerage passenger so far I haven't been able to identify exactly when and from where he sailed. I would dearly like to find out the name of the ship he sailed on! I guess we must be satisfied that at least we know when our 1820 Settler ancestors arrived at the Cape! It also seems less difficult to find the records for our French Huguenot and Dutch ancestors and their sailings to the Cape! Best wishes, Tombi Peck Best wishes, Tombi Peck ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks, I've been bothering a poor chap in the Library of the National Maritime Museum in Woolwich ....poor bloke was about to go to lunch so used the excuse that the computer was being slow and unco-operative.... I'm sure it's been discussed on the lists before but I wanted confirmation about the route that the 1820 Setter (and other) ships would have taken to the Cape. He confirmed what I had heard but hadn't had confirmed that the ships went to the Azores where they took the 'Westerlies' to Rio where they picked up the 'Southerlies' and went down to the Cape from there.....!! As he said it depended on the time of year which route ships took but in December/Jan/Feb which was when our ancestors sailed this would have been the most likely route for them to have used. I will try another day (and not at lunch time) to see if I can find out more. He mentioned that the National Maritime Museum at Woolwich holds copies of the Lloyds Lists which recorded much sailing information....I might just have to save a few pennies and go and spend some time there....I have a friend who lives in Deptford (you can see the banks of the Thames from the bedroom window I usually occupy) which is where the dockyards in the 1820's would have been situated..... If I manage to find out more information I will post it to the lists. I now have to check out the letter written by a family member to her son in California where she mentions that my gg grandfather Herbert Howard BROWNE has been visiting them (they lived in London) en route from his home Pudding Norton Hall near Fakenham, Norfolk en route to the Cape of Good Hope to join an uncle who was already living out there. Unfortunately she doesn't mention which uncle he was planning to join....we don't know the precise year other than the fact that she mentions he is just 16.....working out from his date of birth it looks as though he travelled to the Cape in about 1872....because he was most likely a steerage passenger so far I haven't been able to identify exactly when and from where he sailed. I would dearly like to find out the name of the ship he sailed on! I guess we must be satisfied that at least we know when our 1820 Settler ancestors arrived at the Cape! It also seems less difficult to find the records for our French Huguenot and Dutch ancestors and their sailings to the Cape! Best wishes, Tombi Peck Best wishes, Tombi Peck

Transcribed from CO53/10 at the National Archives in Kew, London by Sue McKay Saturday 1 October 1853 MARRIED at Claremont on the 28th Sept 1853 by the Rev Wm Thompson, Malcolm McINTYRE Esq of Quartel River, Caledon, to Anne Sarah, eldest daughter of the late Mr. Richard Crewe ARDERNE. MARRIAGE In St.George's Cathedral in this City by the Very Rev the Dean of Cape Town, Sept 29: Thomas Woollams HOLLAND Esq of the H.C. Bengal Army to Miss Helena G.J. CHIAPPINI. CHRISTENINGS In St.George's Cathedral in this City by the Very Rev the Dean of Cape Town, Sept 28: A son of Mr. George WELCH, baptised William James. A daughter of Mr. Henry BEVERN, baptised Isabella. A daughter of Mr. Thomas LOCKHEART, baptised Maria Hendrina. Tuesday 4 October 1853 In the New Dutch Reformed Church by the Rev A Faure BD, Sept 25: A son of Mr. Carel David Christiaan PREYSER, baptised Carel David. Thursday 6 October 1853 BIRTH at Wynberg on the 3rd October 1853, the wife of Captain J.A. WELLE, Bengal Engineers, of a son. MARRIAGE In St.Andrew's Church by the Rev G. Morgan, October 4: Mr. W.J. BARTIE to Miss S.J. VAN REENEN. CHRISTENINGS In Trinity Church by the Rev R.G. Lamb AB, September 30: A daughter of Mr. John Henry REELER, baptised Lydia Jane. In St.Andrew's Church by the Rev G. Morgan, October 2: A son of Mr. W.A. RUNCIE, baptised William Alexander. Saturday 8 October 1853 DIED at Belle Vue, Green Point, the 6th instant, Jessie Emily Amelia, only daughter of the late Thomas COX Esq of Hastings, County of Sussex, aged 4 years and 8 months. DIED on the 25th instant, Hercules Adrian, aged 4 months, son of H.A. MORKEL. Nell's Poort, Beaufort, 30th Sept 1853. MARRIAGE In St.Andrew's Church by the Rev G. Morgan, October 6: Mr. W. ROWE to Miss R. ECCLES. CHRISTENINGS In St.George's Cathedral in this City by the Rev M.A. Camilleri DD, October 2: A daughter of Mr. John YALLOP, baptised Frances. Oct 4 by the Very Rev Dean of Cape Town: A daughter of Thomas WATSON Esquire, baptised Anna Amelia. A daughter of George CONRAN Esquire, Colonel Madras Artillery, baptised Mary Edith. Oct 4 by the Rev John Quinn: A son of Mr. Thomas BECKLEY, baptised Edward Charles. A daughter of Mr. Charles Joseph MARTIN, baptised Sarah Mary Ann. DEATHS Oct 5: William JOHNSON, Seaman of the Blackheath, aged 22 years. Oct 6: Miss Jessie COX, aged 4 years and 8 months. Tuesday 11 October 1853 CHRISTENINGS In the Evangelical Lutheran Church by the Rev J.M. Parisius VDM, October 9: A daughter of Johannes Hendrik BEYERS Esquire, baptised Sophia Elizabeth Brink. A son of Johan Michiel GENAN, baptised Hendrik Simon Bernardus Johannes. Thursday 13 October 1853 MARRIAGE On Saturday 8th October by the Rev G.W. Stegmann VDM: John Stratford STEPHENSON Esq to Miss Petronella Johanna STEYTLER. CHRISTENINGS In St.George's Cathedral in this City by the Ver Rev the Dean of Cape Town, Oct 12: A daughter of Mr. Ludwig Ferdinand BINDEMANN, baptised Sarah Luwise. In the Martin's Lutheran Church by the Rev G.W. Stegmann VDM, September 10: A daughter of Mr. William George HICKMANN, baptised Elizabeth Wilhelmina. DEATHS July 23: Susanna Margaretha Marthonetta, daughter of Mr. August Christoffel KOCH, aged 8 months and 15 days. July 30: Mrs. Carolina Johanna Petronella RAAFF, wife of Mr. Daniel Johannes LEEUWENDAAL, aged 47 years 11 months and 28 days. Aug 14: Christina Johanna, daughter of Mr. Christiaan BECK, aged 12 years 7 months and 5 days. Sept 8: Mrs. Magdalina Johanna THERON, wife of Mr. Herman Jacoob VAN DER SCHYFF, aged 72 years and 9 months. Sept 22: Mrs. Christian Wilhelmina MOLL, wife of the Rev. M VOGELGEZANG. Oct 8: Mrs. Sarah NEWTON, relict of the late Mr. Thomas NEWTON, aged 55 years. Oct 9: Mrs. Rebecca ROGERS, aged 66 years. Tuesday 18 October 1853 DIED on the 15th instant at the residence of Dr. PAPPE, Loop-street, John Everitt MESTAER Esq, nearly 85 years old; of which notice is hereby given to Relatives and Friends. Cape Town, 17th October 1853. MARRIAGE In the Evangelical Lutheran Church by the Rev J.L. Parisius VDM, October 17: Mr. Peter Henry NEWTON to Miss Anna PALMER. CHRISTENINGS In the New Dutch Reformed Church by the Rev S.J. Berranage VDM, October 9: A son of Mr. Henricus Andreas TRUTER Junior, baptised Henricus Andreas. A daughter of Mr. Carel Heinrich Fredrich PESTOR, baptised Johanna Willemina Josina. In St.George's Cathedral in this City by the Rev M.A. Camilleri DD, October 15: Two daughters of George BAINBRIDGE Esq, baptised Susan Henrietta and Elizabeth Annie. DEATHS Oct 6: Mrs. Christina Johanna WIID, wife of Mr. Johanna [sic] Albertus LAUBSCHER Senior, aged 49 years and 10 months. Oct 15: Mr. J.E. MESTAER, aged 84 years. 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Hi David, Point taken - I'll drop them an email. Cheers, Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David and Mary Bossenger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 7:34 PM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING Hi, My advice still stands. If there is a death notice that is properly completed it will be a mine of genealogical information. Ask some kind soul, going to the Bloem archives to do a look up for you. Alternatively contact the Archives and pay them to do it. Regards, David B -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Geoff Chew Sent: 17 May 2010 17:49 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING PS: The wife of the Alec LONGMORE I first mentioned was called Iris. I think they had no children, but I haven't been in touch with them since my childhood. Geoff On 17 May 2010 16:41, Maurice Sheppard <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Jennifer, > > Thanks for the link. It has enabled me to establish that the family > left London on 6 June 1882 on board the Dublin Castle and arrived in > East London on 1st Jul1882. It also seems probable that Charles Francis died in 1906. > > Regards, > > Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham and Jennifer Lloyd" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING > > >> Have a look at Ancestry24 - there are about 90 references to Longmore >> >> http://ancestry24.com >> >> Cheers >> >> Jennifer >> >> Graham & Jennifer Lloyd >> [Genealogical & Historical Research] >> 2 Constantia Court >> River's End Road >> Plumstead 7800 >> Cape Town >> South Africa >> Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 >> Mobile: 0824037343 >> email: [email protected] >> http://southafricanfamily.com >> >> I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged >> >> Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass It's about learning to >> dance in the rain >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Maurice Sheppard" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 8:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING >> >> >>> Two quick responses - thank you! >>> >>> David & Mary Bossenger: >>> >>> Yes, I believe that is more than possible. This is handwritten >>> scrawl on Alexander's military record and the William is abbreviated >>> to Wm. So Alice THOMAS it most likely is! >>> >>> On Marie's marriage certificate in 1871, she states that her father >>> was Alexander Michael LONGMORE - painter (deceased), yet I have >>> never found any other reference to him other than as plain >>> Alexander. I've also never found a death entry for him although >>> Marie's mother re-married in 1854. But when it comes to PAGET, this >>> is too much of a coincidence as the grandmother of Alexander who >>> married Alice was a Hannah PAGETT! So that sounds good - thank you. >>> >>> Geoff: >>> >>> None of the known Alexanders in this family were born in 1909 or >>> thereabouts, but the name could well have been given to one of >>> Alexander and Alice's grandsons. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Geoff Chew" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 7:54 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING >>> >>> >>> My godfather in East London was an Alec LONGMORE, close friend of my >>> father and I suppose more or less his contemporary (my father was >>> born in 1909). I don't know whether he is from the same family, >>> though the name may not be coincidental, and I may be able to find >>> more details about him if you need them (including photos). >>> >>> Geoff >>> >>> On 16 May 2010 17:44, David and Mary Bossenger <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> Are you sure it isn't Alice THOMAS at Kingwilliamstown? >>>> There is also a ref in the National archives as follows: >>>> "DEPOT VAB (Free State Archives) >>>> SOURCE MHG (Master of the High Court) TYPE LEER (File) VOLUME_NO 0 >>>> SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE L1944 PART 1 DESCRIPTION LONGMORE, ALEXANDER >>>> MICHAEL PAGET. EGGENOTE (Spouse) ALICE KATE LONGMORE. >>>> STARTING 19210000 ENDING 19210000 " >>>> I have added the necessary English translation in brackets. >>>> Perhaps some kind soul will do the look up for you in Bloemfontein. >>>> It will be a record of the estate (probate) and with luck will >>>> contain a deat notice with family deails >>>> >>>> Born in Bilston (Staffordshire) in 1841, he joined the 20th >>>> Regiment of Foot (later absorbed into the Lancashire Fusiliers) in >>>> 1860, which included a tour of duty in South Africa. Whilst there, >>>> on 23rd April 1871 at Williamstown, he married Alice THOMAS-KING >>>> (bn circa 1853 in Natal). >>> >>> -- >>> Geoff Chew >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > -- Geoff Chew [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Geoff, Well it's a snippet for filing at the moment then. I've now established that Lilian Lydia died a couple of months before they sailed for East London. There was also an earlier daughter, Marie, their first child named after the stage name of her aunt, but she only lived to be 6 months old. So just Alex, Alice and their three sons sailed in 1882. Regards, Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Chew" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING PS: The wife of the Alec LONGMORE I first mentioned was called Iris. I think they had no children, but I haven't been in touch with them since my childhood. Geoff On 17 May 2010 16:41, Maurice Sheppard <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Jennifer, > > Thanks for the link. It has enabled me to establish that the family left > London on 6 June 1882 on board the Dublin Castle and arrived in East > London > on 1st Jul1882. It also seems probable that Charles Francis died in 1906. > > Regards, > > Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages > http://www.msheppard.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham and Jennifer Lloyd" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING > > >> Have a look at Ancestry24 - there are about 90 references to Longmore >> >> http://ancestry24.com >> >> Cheers >> >> Jennifer >> >> Graham & Jennifer Lloyd >> [Genealogical & Historical Research] >> 2 Constantia Court >> River's End Road >> Plumstead 7800 >> Cape Town >> South Africa >> Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 >> Mobile: 0824037343 >> email: [email protected] >> http://southafricanfamily.com >> >> I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged >> >> Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass >> It's about learning to dance in the rain >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Maurice Sheppard" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 8:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING >> >> >>> Two quick responses - thank you! >>> >>> David & Mary Bossenger: >>> >>> Yes, I believe that is more than possible. This is handwritten scrawl on >>> Alexander's military record and the William is abbreviated to Wm. So >>> Alice >>> THOMAS it most likely is! >>> >>> On Marie's marriage certificate in 1871, she states that her father was >>> Alexander Michael LONGMORE - painter (deceased), yet I have never found >>> any >>> other reference to him other than as plain Alexander. I've also never >>> found >>> a death entry for him although Marie's mother re-married in 1854. But >>> when >>> it comes to PAGET, this is too much of a coincidence as the grandmother >>> of >>> Alexander who married Alice was a Hannah PAGETT! So that sounds good - >>> thank >>> you. >>> >>> Geoff: >>> >>> None of the known Alexanders in this family were born in 1909 or >>> thereabouts, but the name could well have been given to one of Alexander >>> and >>> Alice's grandsons. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages >>> http://www.msheppard.com >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Geoff Chew" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 7:54 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING >>> >>> >>> My godfather in East London was an Alec LONGMORE, close friend of my >>> father and I suppose more or less his contemporary (my father was born >>> in 1909). I don't know whether he is from the same family, though the >>> name may not be coincidental, and I may be able to find more details >>> about him if you need them (including photos). >>> >>> Geoff >>> >>> On 16 May 2010 17:44, David and Mary Bossenger <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> Are you sure it isn't Alice THOMAS at Kingwilliamstown? >>>> There is also a ref in the National archives as follows: >>>> "DEPOT VAB (Free State Archives) >>>> SOURCE MHG (Master of the High Court) >>>> TYPE LEER (File) >>>> VOLUME_NO 0 >>>> SYSTEM 01 >>>> REFERENCE L1944 >>>> PART 1 >>>> DESCRIPTION LONGMORE, ALEXANDER MICHAEL PAGET. EGGENOTE (Spouse) >>>> ALICE KATE LONGMORE. >>>> STARTING 19210000 ENDING 19210000 " >>>> I have added the necessary English translation in brackets. >>>> Perhaps some kind soul will do the look up for you in Bloemfontein. It >>>> will >>>> be a record of the estate (probate) and with luck will contain a deat >>>> notice >>>> with family deails >>>> >>>> Born in Bilston (Staffordshire) in 1841, he joined the 20th Regiment of >>>> Foot >>>> (later absorbed into the Lancashire Fusiliers) in 1860, which included >>>> a >>>> tour of duty in South Africa. Whilst there, on 23rd April 1871 at >>>> Williamstown, he married Alice THOMAS-KING (bn circa 1853 in Natal). >>> >>> -- >>> Geoff Chew >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Geoff Chew [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OR, use eGGSA! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Sheppard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING > Hi David, > > Point taken - I'll drop them an email. > > Cheers, > > Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages > http://www.msheppard.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David and Mary Bossenger" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 7:34 PM > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING > > > Hi, > My advice still stands. If there is a death notice that is properly > completed it will be a mine of genealogical information. Ask some kind > soul, going to the Bloem archives to do a look up for you. Alternatively > contact the Archives and pay them to do it. > Regards, > David B > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Geoff > Chew > Sent: 17 May 2010 17:49 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING > > PS: The wife of the Alec LONGMORE I first mentioned was called Iris. I > think > they had no children, but I haven't been in touch with them since my > childhood. > > Geoff > > On 17 May 2010 16:41, Maurice Sheppard <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi Jennifer, >> >> Thanks for the link. It has enabled me to establish that the family >> left London on 6 June 1882 on board the Dublin Castle and arrived in >> East London on 1st Jul1882. It also seems probable that Charles Francis > died in 1906. >> >> Regards, >> >> Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Graham and Jennifer Lloyd" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 9:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING >> >> >>> Have a look at Ancestry24 - there are about 90 references to Longmore >>> >>> http://ancestry24.com >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Jennifer >>> >>> Graham & Jennifer Lloyd >>> [Genealogical & Historical Research] >>> 2 Constantia Court >>> River's End Road >>> Plumstead 7800 >>> Cape Town >>> South Africa >>> Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 >>> Mobile: 0824037343 >>> email: [email protected] >>> http://southafricanfamily.com >>> >>> I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged >>> >>> Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass It's about learning to >>> dance in the rain >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Maurice Sheppard" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 8:05 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING >>> >>> >>>> Two quick responses - thank you! >>>> >>>> David & Mary Bossenger: >>>> >>>> Yes, I believe that is more than possible. This is handwritten >>>> scrawl on Alexander's military record and the William is abbreviated >>>> to Wm. So Alice THOMAS it most likely is! >>>> >>>> On Marie's marriage certificate in 1871, she states that her father >>>> was Alexander Michael LONGMORE - painter (deceased), yet I have >>>> never found any other reference to him other than as plain >>>> Alexander. I've also never found a death entry for him although >>>> Marie's mother re-married in 1854. But when it comes to PAGET, this >>>> is too much of a coincidence as the grandmother of Alexander who >>>> married Alice was a Hannah PAGETT! So that sounds good - thank you. >>>> >>>> Geoff: >>>> >>>> None of the known Alexanders in this family were born in 1909 or >>>> thereabouts, but the name could well have been given to one of >>>> Alexander and Alice's grandsons. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Geoff Chew" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 7:54 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING >>>> >>>> >>>> My godfather in East London was an Alec LONGMORE, close friend of my >>>> father and I suppose more or less his contemporary (my father was >>>> born in 1909). I don't know whether he is from the same family, >>>> though the name may not be coincidental, and I may be able to find >>>> more details about him if you need them (including photos). >>>> >>>> Geoff >>>> >>>> On 16 May 2010 17:44, David and Mary Bossenger <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> Are you sure it isn't Alice THOMAS at Kingwilliamstown? >>>>> There is also a ref in the National archives as follows: >>>>> "DEPOT VAB (Free State Archives) >>>>> SOURCE MHG (Master of the High Court) TYPE LEER (File) VOLUME_NO 0 >>>>> SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE L1944 PART 1 DESCRIPTION LONGMORE, ALEXANDER >>>>> MICHAEL PAGET. EGGENOTE (Spouse) ALICE KATE LONGMORE. >>>>> STARTING 19210000 ENDING 19210000 " >>>>> I have added the necessary English translation in brackets. >>>>> Perhaps some kind soul will do the look up for you in Bloemfontein. >>>>> It will be a record of the estate (probate) and with luck will >>>>> contain a deat notice with family deails >>>>> >>>>> Born in Bilston (Staffordshire) in 1841, he joined the 20th >>>>> Regiment of Foot (later absorbed into the Lancashire Fusiliers) in >>>>> 1860, which included a tour of duty in South Africa. Whilst there, >>>>> on 23rd April 1871 at Williamstown, he married Alice THOMAS-KING >>>>> (bn circa 1853 in Natal). >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Geoff Chew >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected]eb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> > > > > -- > Geoff Chew > [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jennifer, Thanks for the link. It has enabled me to establish that the family left London on 6 June 1882 on board the Dublin Castle and arrived in East London on 1st Jul1882. It also seems probable that Charles Francis died in 1906. Regards, Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham and Jennifer Lloyd" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING > Have a look at Ancestry24 - there are about 90 references to Longmore > > http://ancestry24.com > > Cheers > > Jennifer > > Graham & Jennifer Lloyd > [Genealogical & Historical Research] > 2 Constantia Court > River's End Road > Plumstead 7800 > Cape Town > South Africa > Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 > Mobile: 0824037343 > email: [email protected] > http://southafricanfamily.com > > I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged > > Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass > It's about learning to dance in the rain > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maurice Sheppard" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 8:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING > > >> Two quick responses - thank you! >> >> David & Mary Bossenger: >> >> Yes, I believe that is more than possible. This is handwritten scrawl on >> Alexander's military record and the William is abbreviated to Wm. So >> Alice >> THOMAS it most likely is! >> >> On Marie's marriage certificate in 1871, she states that her father was >> Alexander Michael LONGMORE - painter (deceased), yet I have never found >> any >> other reference to him other than as plain Alexander. I've also never >> found >> a death entry for him although Marie's mother re-married in 1854. But >> when >> it comes to PAGET, this is too much of a coincidence as the grandmother >> of >> Alexander who married Alice was a Hannah PAGETT! So that sounds good - >> thank >> you. >> >> Geoff: >> >> None of the known Alexanders in this family were born in 1909 or >> thereabouts, but the name could well have been given to one of Alexander >> and >> Alice's grandsons. >> >> Regards, >> >> Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages >> http://www.msheppard.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Geoff Chew" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 7:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING >> >> >> My godfather in East London was an Alec LONGMORE, close friend of my >> father and I suppose more or less his contemporary (my father was born >> in 1909). I don't know whether he is from the same family, though the >> name may not be coincidental, and I may be able to find more details >> about him if you need them (including photos). >> >> Geoff >> >> On 16 May 2010 17:44, David and Mary Bossenger <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> Are you sure it isn't Alice THOMAS at Kingwilliamstown? >>> There is also a ref in the National archives as follows: >>> "DEPOT VAB (Free State Archives) >>> SOURCE MHG (Master of the High Court) >>> TYPE LEER (File) >>> VOLUME_NO 0 >>> SYSTEM 01 >>> REFERENCE L1944 >>> PART 1 >>> DESCRIPTION LONGMORE, ALEXANDER MICHAEL PAGET. EGGENOTE (Spouse) >>> ALICE KATE LONGMORE. >>> STARTING 19210000 ENDING 19210000 " >>> I have added the necessary English translation in brackets. >>> Perhaps some kind soul will do the look up for you in Bloemfontein. It >>> will >>> be a record of the estate (probate) and with luck will contain a deat >>> notice >>> with family deails >>> >>> Born in Bilston (Staffordshire) in 1841, he joined the 20th Regiment of >>> Foot >>> (later absorbed into the Lancashire Fusiliers) in 1860, which included a >>> tour of duty in South Africa. Whilst there, on 23rd April 1871 at >>> Williamstown, he married Alice THOMAS-KING (bn circa 1853 in Natal). >> >> -- >> Geoff Chew >> [email protected] >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, My advice still stands. If there is a death notice that is properly completed it will be a mine of genealogical information. Ask some kind soul, going to the Bloem archives to do a look up for you. Alternatively contact the Archives and pay them to do it. Regards, David B -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Geoff Chew Sent: 17 May 2010 17:49 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING PS: The wife of the Alec LONGMORE I first mentioned was called Iris. I think they had no children, but I haven't been in touch with them since my childhood. Geoff On 17 May 2010 16:41, Maurice Sheppard <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Jennifer, > > Thanks for the link. It has enabled me to establish that the family > left London on 6 June 1882 on board the Dublin Castle and arrived in > East London on 1st Jul1882. It also seems probable that Charles Francis died in 1906. > > Regards, > > Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham and Jennifer Lloyd" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING > > >> Have a look at Ancestry24 - there are about 90 references to Longmore >> >> http://ancestry24.com >> >> Cheers >> >> Jennifer >> >> Graham & Jennifer Lloyd >> [Genealogical & Historical Research] >> 2 Constantia Court >> River's End Road >> Plumstead 7800 >> Cape Town >> South Africa >> Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 >> Mobile: 0824037343 >> email: [email protected] >> http://southafricanfamily.com >> >> I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged >> >> Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass It's about learning to >> dance in the rain >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Maurice Sheppard" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 8:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING >> >> >>> Two quick responses - thank you! >>> >>> David & Mary Bossenger: >>> >>> Yes, I believe that is more than possible. This is handwritten >>> scrawl on Alexander's military record and the William is abbreviated >>> to Wm. So Alice THOMAS it most likely is! >>> >>> On Marie's marriage certificate in 1871, she states that her father >>> was Alexander Michael LONGMORE - painter (deceased), yet I have >>> never found any other reference to him other than as plain >>> Alexander. I've also never found a death entry for him although >>> Marie's mother re-married in 1854. But when it comes to PAGET, this >>> is too much of a coincidence as the grandmother of Alexander who >>> married Alice was a Hannah PAGETT! So that sounds good - thank you. >>> >>> Geoff: >>> >>> None of the known Alexanders in this family were born in 1909 or >>> thereabouts, but the name could well have been given to one of >>> Alexander and Alice's grandsons. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Geoff Chew" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 7:54 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING >>> >>> >>> My godfather in East London was an Alec LONGMORE, close friend of my >>> father and I suppose more or less his contemporary (my father was >>> born in 1909).  I don't know whether he is from the same family, >>> though the name may not be coincidental, and I may be able to find >>> more details about him if you need them (including photos). >>> >>> Geoff >>> >>> On 16 May 2010 17:44, David and Mary Bossenger <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> Are you sure it isn't Alice THOMAS at Kingwilliamstown? >>>> There is also a ref in the National archives as follows: >>>> "DEPOT VAB (Free State Archives) >>>> SOURCE MHG (Master of the High Court) TYPE LEER (File) VOLUME_NO 0 >>>> SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE L1944 PART 1 DESCRIPTION LONGMORE, ALEXANDER >>>> MICHAEL PAGET. EGGENOTE (Spouse) ALICE KATE LONGMORE. >>>> STARTING 19210000 ENDING 19210000 " >>>> I have added the necessary English translation in brackets. >>>> Perhaps some kind soul will do the look up for you in Bloemfontein. >>>> It will be a record of the estate (probate) and with luck will >>>> contain a deat notice with family deails >>>> >>>> Born in Bilston (Staffordshire) in 1841, he joined the 20th >>>> Regiment of Foot (later absorbed into the Lancashire Fusiliers) in >>>> 1860, which included a tour of duty in South Africa. Whilst there, >>>> on 23rd April 1871 at Williamstown, he married Alice THOMAS-KING >>>> (bn circa 1853 in Natal). >>> >>> -- >>> Geoff Chew >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > -- Geoff Chew [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

PS: The wife of the Alec LONGMORE I first mentioned was called Iris. I think they had no children, but I haven't been in touch with them since my childhood. Geoff On 17 May 2010 16:41, Maurice Sheppard <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Jennifer, > > Thanks for the link. It has enabled me to establish that the family left > London on 6 June 1882 on board the Dublin Castle and arrived in East London > on 1st Jul1882. It also seems probable that Charles Francis died in 1906. > > Regards, > > Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages > http://www.msheppard.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham and Jennifer Lloyd" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING > > >> Have a look at Ancestry24 - there are about 90 references to Longmore >> >> http://ancestry24.com >> >> Cheers >> >> Jennifer >> >> Graham & Jennifer Lloyd >> [Genealogical & Historical Research] >> 2 Constantia Court >> River's End Road >> Plumstead 7800 >> Cape Town >> South Africa >> Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 >> Mobile: 0824037343 >> email: [email protected] >> http://southafricanfamily.com >> >> I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged >> >> Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass >> It's about learning to dance in the rain >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Maurice Sheppard" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 8:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING >> >> >>> Two quick responses - thank you! >>> >>> David & Mary Bossenger: >>> >>> Yes, I believe that is more than possible. This is handwritten scrawl on >>> Alexander's military record and the William is abbreviated to Wm. So >>> Alice >>> THOMAS it most likely is! >>> >>> On Marie's marriage certificate in 1871, she states that her father was >>> Alexander Michael LONGMORE - painter (deceased), yet I have never found >>> any >>> other reference to him other than as plain Alexander. I've also never >>> found >>> a death entry for him although Marie's mother re-married in 1854. But >>> when >>> it comes to PAGET, this is too much of a coincidence as the grandmother >>> of >>> Alexander who married Alice was a Hannah PAGETT! So that sounds good - >>> thank >>> you. >>> >>> Geoff: >>> >>> None of the known Alexanders in this family were born in 1909 or >>> thereabouts, but the name could well have been given to one of Alexander >>> and >>> Alice's grandsons. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages >>> http://www.msheppard.com >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Geoff Chew" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 7:54 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING >>> >>> >>> My godfather in East London was an Alec LONGMORE, close friend of my >>> father and I suppose more or less his contemporary (my father was born >>> in 1909).  I don't know whether he is from the same family, though the >>> name may not be coincidental, and I may be able to find more details >>> about him if you need them (including photos). >>> >>> Geoff >>> >>> On 16 May 2010 17:44, David and Mary Bossenger <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> Are you sure it isn't Alice THOMAS at Kingwilliamstown? >>>> There is also a ref in the National archives as follows: >>>> "DEPOT VAB (Free State Archives) >>>> SOURCE MHG (Master of the High Court) >>>> TYPE LEER (File) >>>> VOLUME_NO 0 >>>> SYSTEM 01 >>>> REFERENCE L1944 >>>> PART 1 >>>> DESCRIPTION LONGMORE, ALEXANDER MICHAEL PAGET. EGGENOTE (Spouse) >>>> ALICE KATE LONGMORE. >>>> STARTING 19210000 ENDING 19210000 " >>>> I have added the necessary English translation in brackets. >>>> Perhaps some kind soul will do the look up for you in Bloemfontein. It >>>> will >>>> be a record of the estate (probate) and with luck will contain a deat >>>> notice >>>> with family deails >>>> >>>> Born in Bilston (Staffordshire) in 1841, he joined the 20th Regiment of >>>> Foot >>>> (later absorbed into the Lancashire Fusiliers) in 1860, which included a >>>> tour of duty in South Africa. Whilst there, on 23rd April 1871 at >>>> Williamstown, he married Alice THOMAS-KING (bn circa 1853 in Natal). >>> >>> -- >>> Geoff Chew >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Geoff Chew [email protected]

Have a look at Ancestry24 - there are about 90 references to Longmore http://ancestry24.com Cheers Jennifer Graham & Jennifer Lloyd [Genealogical & Historical Research] 2 Constantia Court River's End Road Plumstead 7800 Cape Town South Africa Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 Mobile: 0824037343 email: [email protected] http://southafricanfamily.com I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass It's about learning to dance in the rain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Sheppard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING > Two quick responses - thank you! > > David & Mary Bossenger: > > Yes, I believe that is more than possible. This is handwritten scrawl on > Alexander's military record and the William is abbreviated to Wm. So Alice > THOMAS it most likely is! > > On Marie's marriage certificate in 1871, she states that her father was > Alexander Michael LONGMORE - painter (deceased), yet I have never found > any > other reference to him other than as plain Alexander. I've also never > found > a death entry for him although Marie's mother re-married in 1854. But when > it comes to PAGET, this is too much of a coincidence as the grandmother of > Alexander who married Alice was a Hannah PAGETT! So that sounds good - > thank > you. > > Geoff: > > None of the known Alexanders in this family were born in 1909 or > thereabouts, but the name could well have been given to one of Alexander > and > Alice's grandsons. > > Regards, > > Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages > http://www.msheppard.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Chew" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 7:54 PM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING > > > My godfather in East London was an Alec LONGMORE, close friend of my > father and I suppose more or less his contemporary (my father was born > in 1909). I don't know whether he is from the same family, though the > name may not be coincidental, and I may be able to find more details > about him if you need them (including photos). > > Geoff > > On 16 May 2010 17:44, David and Mary Bossenger <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi, >> Are you sure it isn't Alice THOMAS at Kingwilliamstown? >> There is also a ref in the National archives as follows: >> "DEPOT VAB (Free State Archives) >> SOURCE MHG (Master of the High Court) >> TYPE LEER (File) >> VOLUME_NO 0 >> SYSTEM 01 >> REFERENCE L1944 >> PART 1 >> DESCRIPTION LONGMORE, ALEXANDER MICHAEL PAGET. EGGENOTE (Spouse) >> ALICE KATE LONGMORE. >> STARTING 19210000 ENDING 19210000 " >> I have added the necessary English translation in brackets. >> Perhaps some kind soul will do the look up for you in Bloemfontein. It >> will >> be a record of the estate (probate) and with luck will contain a deat >> notice >> with family deails >> >> Born in Bilston (Staffordshire) in 1841, he joined the 20th Regiment of >> Foot >> (later absorbed into the Lancashire Fusiliers) in 1860, which included a >> tour of duty in South Africa. Whilst there, on 23rd April 1871 at >> Williamstown, he married Alice THOMAS-KING (bn circa 1853 in Natal). > > -- > Geoff Chew > [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Geoff, Thanks for that brilliant picture. I've just being doing a bit of double-checking of the 1881 Census image. In 1881 the son's name is given as Charles Francis LONGMORE, 1 year old, which ties in with the 1879 birth date I have for him. There is no death registered in England & Wales. So we possibly have a death en route or in South Africa or simply two children with the forename Charles. Intriguing! For the time being I'll add him to my database as a fourth son. About five years ago I retired to Crete which unfortunately does not have any LDS facilities. Once again, Many thanks, Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Chew" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING PS: (1) A.P.M. LONGMORE 1841-1921 is buried in the East Bank cemetery in East London, together with his son C. C. LONGMORE 11 Mar 1885 - 1 May 1935. See photo of their joint gravestone at http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=636647 (2) Some years ago Ellen Stanton posted a LONGMORE marriage at East London in 1916, from LDS Microfilm #1864497 (East London Marriages). I'd have thought this was the C.C. above except for the different second initial. Entry #2 Husband: Charles John LONGMORE Wife: Maria Louisa SMITH Date: 1/8/1916 [i,e, 8 January: American date convention] I'd guess my godfather was the son of either C.C. LONGMORE or C.J. LONGMORE above, if they don't turn out in fact to be the same man. Geoff On 16 May 2010 19:05, Maurice Sheppard <[email protected]> wrote: > Two quick responses - thank you! > > David & Mary Bossenger: > > Yes, I believe that is more than possible. This is handwritten scrawl on > Alexander's military record and the William is abbreviated to Wm. So Alice > THOMAS it most likely is! > > On Marie's marriage certificate in 1871, she states that her father was > Alexander Michael LONGMORE - painter (deceased), yet I have never found > any > other reference to him other than as plain Alexander. I've also never > found > a death entry for him although Marie's mother re-married in 1854. But when > it comes to PAGET, this is too much of a coincidence as the grandmother of > Alexander who married Alice was a Hannah PAGETT! So that sounds good - > thank > you. > > Geoff: > > None of the known Alexanders in this family were born in 1909 or > thereabouts, but the name could well have been given to one of Alexander > and > Alice's grandsons. > > Regards, > > Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages > http://www.msheppard.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Chew" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 7:54 PM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING > > > My godfather in East London was an Alec LONGMORE, close friend of my > father and I suppose more or less his contemporary (my father was born > in 1909). I don't know whether he is from the same family, though the > name may not be coincidental, and I may be able to find more details > about him if you need them (including photos). > > On 16 May 2010 17:44, David and Mary Bossenger <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi, >> Are you sure it isn't Alice THOMAS at Kingwilliamstown? >> There is also a ref in the National archives as follows: >> "DEPOT VAB (Free State Archives) >> SOURCE MHG (Master of the High Court) >> TYPE LEER (File) >> VOLUME_NO 0 >> SYSTEM 01 >> REFERENCE L1944 >> PART 1 >> DESCRIPTION LONGMORE, ALEXANDER MICHAEL PAGET. EGGENOTE (Spouse) >> ALICE KATE LONGMORE. >> STARTING 19210000 ENDING 19210000 " >> I have added the necessary English translation in brackets. >> Perhaps some kind soul will do the look up for you in Bloemfontein. It >> will >> be a record of the estate (probate) and with luck will contain a deat >> notice >> with family deails >> >> Born in Bilston (Staffordshire) in 1841, he joined the 20th Regiment of >> Foot >> (later absorbed into the Lancashire Fusiliers) in 1860, which included a >> tour of duty in South Africa. Whilst there, on 23rd April 1871 at >> Williamstown, he married Alice THOMAS-KING (bn circa 1853 in Natal). -- Geoff Chew [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Two quick responses - thank you! David & Mary Bossenger: Yes, I believe that is more than possible. This is handwritten scrawl on Alexander's military record and the William is abbreviated to Wm. So Alice THOMAS it most likely is! On Marie's marriage certificate in 1871, she states that her father was Alexander Michael LONGMORE - painter (deceased), yet I have never found any other reference to him other than as plain Alexander. I've also never found a death entry for him although Marie's mother re-married in 1854. But when it comes to PAGET, this is too much of a coincidence as the grandmother of Alexander who married Alice was a Hannah PAGETT! So that sounds good - thank you. Geoff: None of the known Alexanders in this family were born in 1909 or thereabouts, but the name could well have been given to one of Alexander and Alice's grandsons. Regards, Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Chew" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING My godfather in East London was an Alec LONGMORE, close friend of my father and I suppose more or less his contemporary (my father was born in 1909). I don't know whether he is from the same family, though the name may not be coincidental, and I may be able to find more details about him if you need them (including photos). Geoff On 16 May 2010 17:44, David and Mary Bossenger <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > Are you sure it isn't Alice THOMAS at Kingwilliamstown? > There is also a ref in the National archives as follows: > "DEPOT VAB (Free State Archives) > SOURCE MHG (Master of the High Court) > TYPE LEER (File) > VOLUME_NO 0 > SYSTEM 01 > REFERENCE L1944 > PART 1 > DESCRIPTION LONGMORE, ALEXANDER MICHAEL PAGET. EGGENOTE (Spouse) > ALICE KATE LONGMORE. > STARTING 19210000 ENDING 19210000 " > I have added the necessary English translation in brackets. > Perhaps some kind soul will do the look up for you in Bloemfontein. It > will > be a record of the estate (probate) and with luck will contain a deat > notice > with family deails > > Born in Bilston (Staffordshire) in 1841, he joined the 20th Regiment of > Foot > (later absorbed into the Lancashire Fusiliers) in 1860, which included a > tour of duty in South Africa. Whilst there, on 23rd April 1871 at > Williamstown, he married Alice THOMAS-KING (bn circa 1853 in Natal). -- Geoff Chew [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

PS: (1) A.P.M. LONGMORE 1841-1921 is buried in the East Bank cemetery in East London, together with his son C. C. LONGMORE 11 Mar 1885 - 1 May 1935. See photo of their joint gravestone at http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=636647 (2) Some years ago Ellen Stanton posted a LONGMORE marriage at East London in 1916, from LDS Microfilm #1864497 (East London Marriages). I'd have thought this was the C.C. above except for the different second initial. Entry #2 Husband: Charles John LONGMORE Wife: Maria Louisa SMITH Date: 1/8/1916 [i,e, 8 January: American date convention] I'd guess my godfather was the son of either C.C. LONGMORE or C.J. LONGMORE above, if they don't turn out in fact to be the same man. Geoff On 16 May 2010 19:05, Maurice Sheppard <[email protected]> wrote: > Two quick responses - thank you! > > David & Mary Bossenger: > > Yes, I believe that is more than possible. This is handwritten scrawl on > Alexander's military record and the William is abbreviated to Wm. So Alice > THOMAS it most likely is! > > On Marie's marriage certificate in 1871, she states that her father was > Alexander Michael LONGMORE - painter (deceased), yet I have never found any > other reference to him other than as plain Alexander. I've also never found > a death entry for him although Marie's mother re-married in 1854. But when > it comes to PAGET, this is too much of a coincidence as the grandmother of > Alexander who married Alice was a Hannah PAGETT! So that sounds good - thank > you. > > Geoff: > > None of the known Alexanders in this family were born in 1909 or > thereabouts, but the name could well have been given to one of Alexander and > Alice's grandsons. > > Regards, > > Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages > http://www.msheppard.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Chew" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 7:54 PM > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] LONGMORE / THOMAS-KING > > > My godfather in East London was an Alec LONGMORE, close friend of my > father and I suppose more or less his contemporary (my father was born > in 1909).  I don't know whether he is from the same family, though the > name may not be coincidental, and I may be able to find more details > about him if you need them (including photos). > > On 16 May 2010 17:44, David and Mary Bossenger <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi, >> Are you sure it isn't Alice THOMAS at Kingwilliamstown? >> There is also a ref in the National archives as follows: >> "DEPOT VAB (Free State Archives) >> SOURCE MHG (Master of the High Court) >> TYPE LEER (File) >> VOLUME_NO 0 >> SYSTEM 01 >> REFERENCE L1944 >> PART 1 >> DESCRIPTION LONGMORE, ALEXANDER MICHAEL PAGET. EGGENOTE (Spouse) >> ALICE KATE LONGMORE. >> STARTING 19210000 ENDING 19210000 " >> I have added the necessary English translation in brackets. >> Perhaps some kind soul will do the look up for you in Bloemfontein. It >> will >> be a record of the estate (probate) and with luck will contain a deat >> notice >> with family deails >> >> Born in Bilston (Staffordshire) in 1841, he joined the 20th Regiment of >> Foot >> (later absorbed into the Lancashire Fusiliers) in 1860, which included a >> tour of duty in South Africa. Whilst there, on 23rd April 1871 at >> Williamstown, he married Alice THOMAS-KING (bn circa 1853 in Natal). -- Geoff Chew [email protected]