Good day Does anybody know if there is someone who has researched or is researching the Fortuin family in South Africa? Valentyn Jacobus Fortuin Born 3/4/1893 Died 3/12/1968 Regards, Alicia Fortuin -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 29 September 2010 09:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 190 Today's Topics: 1. Re: (no subject) (Storm O'Neill) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:21:08 +0200 From: "Storm O'Neill" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] (no subject) To: "Neville Rasmussen" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi There Yes it is indeed the same family. Charles and Harry were brothers, Charles Jnr was better known as Lofty. He married Thelma Tate and they had a daughter Dawn Elizabeth Barkway (my fianc?'s mother) Lofty and Thelma divorced in 1947. I did find another divorce for Lofty in 1955 from a Gloria Donaldson born Bennett. When Lofty died he was married to an Elizabeth (I am yet to find her maiden name or who she is). Lofty (Charles jnr, my fianc?s grandfather) apparently had quiet a few children but none of the family know any of them. Harry and Marge had a son called Trevor (Trevor married Michele and they have 3 children, Trevor is now sadly deceased) Dawn never knew her father Lofty as he left when she was 18 months old. Lofty also had a son called Michael (not sure who the mother was) Harry and Marge actually adopted Michael as they found him in a home when he was 5 I think. Now Harry and Lofty's parents names were Charles and Jean. Charles did have a sister May Rita Barkway which may be the aunt you are thinking of. I am trying to find out if Charles and May had any other siblings and where they came from. I do have a photo of Lofty and Thelma at their wedding :) My fianc? was adopted out at birth and we have just recently found who his birth mother was (Dawn Elizabeth Barkway) they have now reunited but sadly Dawn knows nothing about the Barkways or her father. So in my search I have located Michele Barkway (Trevor's widow) and we are now in contact. I am now doing the family tree and trying for everyone as to be honest none of the Barkways know their own family history. I have also located May Rita Barkways daughter and granddaughter who are thrilled to find out about all of us and the other Barkways :) Thank you so much for your help, if you have any other info it would be fantastic. xx Regards, Storm O'Neill +27 (076) 764 2168 Mobile 085 400 8019 Fax [email protected] www.house-of-madison.com This message is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete the said message. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neville Rasmussen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] (no subject) > Hi! > > Don't know if there is a connection but I knew a Harry Barkway who had a > wife called Marge and they had one son Trevor. Harry had a brother, > younger > I think who was called Charles (Charlie). Both were very colourful > characters. Harry served in the Tank corp in N Africa and Italy in WW11 > (lied about age) with the SA forces. Charles went all over the place the > UK, > America and Canada before returning to SA, he had been married but when I > knew him he was single again. > > Harry and Charles would have to have been a generation after the specific > Charles you are looking for, but it is not a common name. so ther might be > a > connection, and now that I think of it I seem to recall an Aunt who > visited > Harry now and again a lovely real grand Dame of the old order. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Storm O'Neill" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 2:01 PM > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] (no subject) > > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I am trying to trace the Barkway family line from cape town. I am >> looking >> for any info on a Charles Barkway, Charles married a Jean and then a >> Jenny. May Rita Barkway and Charles Barkway were brother and sister, May >> was born in 1903 and I am not sure if they had any other siblings. I am >> trying to find their parents and if their parents came from the UK to >> Wynberg in Cape Town. I know that Charles lived in what is now known as >> the Kingsbury Hospital in Claremont once upon a time. >> >> Regards, >> >> Storm >> >> This message is private and confidential. 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Hi There Yes it is indeed the same family. Charles and Harry were brothers, Charles Jnr was better known as Lofty. He married Thelma Tate and they had a daughter Dawn Elizabeth Barkway (my fiancé's mother) Lofty and Thelma divorced in 1947. I did find another divorce for Lofty in 1955 from a Gloria Donaldson born Bennett. When Lofty died he was married to an Elizabeth (I am yet to find her maiden name or who she is). Lofty (Charles jnr, my fiancés grandfather) apparently had quiet a few children but none of the family know any of them. Harry and Marge had a son called Trevor (Trevor married Michele and they have 3 children, Trevor is now sadly deceased) Dawn never knew her father Lofty as he left when she was 18 months old. Lofty also had a son called Michael (not sure who the mother was) Harry and Marge actually adopted Michael as they found him in a home when he was 5 I think. Now Harry and Lofty's parents names were Charles and Jean. Charles did have a sister May Rita Barkway which may be the aunt you are thinking of. I am trying to find out if Charles and May had any other siblings and where they came from. I do have a photo of Lofty and Thelma at their wedding :) My fiancé was adopted out at birth and we have just recently found who his birth mother was (Dawn Elizabeth Barkway) they have now reunited but sadly Dawn knows nothing about the Barkways or her father. So in my search I have located Michele Barkway (Trevor's widow) and we are now in contact. I am now doing the family tree and trying for everyone as to be honest none of the Barkways know their own family history. I have also located May Rita Barkways daughter and granddaughter who are thrilled to find out about all of us and the other Barkways :) Thank you so much for your help, if you have any other info it would be fantastic. xx Regards, Storm O'Neill +27 (076) 764 2168 Mobile 085 400 8019 Fax [email protected] www.house-of-madison.com This message is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete the said message. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neville Rasmussen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] (no subject) > Hi! > > Don't know if there is a connection but I knew a Harry Barkway who had a > wife called Marge and they had one son Trevor. Harry had a brother, > younger > I think who was called Charles (Charlie). Both were very colourful > characters. Harry served in the Tank corp in N Africa and Italy in WW11 > (lied about age) with the SA forces. Charles went all over the place the > UK, > America and Canada before returning to SA, he had been married but when I > knew him he was single again. > > Harry and Charles would have to have been a generation after the specific > Charles you are looking for, but it is not a common name. so ther might be > a > connection, and now that I think of it I seem to recall an Aunt who > visited > Harry now and again a lovely real grand Dame of the old order. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Storm O'Neill" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 2:01 PM > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] (no subject) > > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I am trying to trace the Barkway family line from cape town. I am >> looking >> for any info on a Charles Barkway, Charles married a Jean and then a >> Jenny. May Rita Barkway and Charles Barkway were brother and sister, May >> was born in 1903 and I am not sure if they had any other siblings. I am >> trying to find their parents and if their parents came from the UK to >> Wynberg in Cape Town. I know that Charles lived in what is now known as >> the Kingsbury Hospital in Claremont once upon a time. >> >> Regards, >> >> Storm >> >> This message is private and confidential. If you are not the intended >> recipient, please notify the sender and delete the said message. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I so love to hear these stories. Just recently, we discovered a cousin of my father's had been living literally down the road from us for 30 years and we never knew about it:-(( He died before we could find him. However we have his family:-)) Julie --- On Wed, 29/9/10, Storm O'Neill <[email protected]> wrote: From: Storm O'Neill <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] (no subject) To: "Neville Rasmussen" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Wednesday, 29 September, 2010, 7:21 Hi There Yes it is indeed the same family.  Charles and Harry were brothers, Charles Jnr was better known as Lofty.  He married Thelma Tate and they had a daughter Dawn Elizabeth Barkway (my fiancé's mother) Lofty and Thelma divorced in 1947.  I did find another divorce for Lofty in 1955 from a Gloria Donaldson born Bennett.  When Lofty died he was married to an Elizabeth (I am yet to find her maiden name or who she is).  Lofty (Charles jnr, my fiancés grandfather) apparently had quiet a few children but none of the family know any of them. Harry and Marge had a son called Trevor (Trevor married Michele and they have 3 children, Trevor is now sadly deceased) Dawn never knew her father Lofty as he left when she was 18 months old.  Lofty also had a son called Michael (not sure who the mother was) Harry and Marge actually adopted Michael as they found him in a home when he was 5 I think. Now Harry and Lofty's parents names were Charles and Jean.  Charles did have a sister May Rita Barkway which may be the aunt you are thinking of.  I am trying to find out if Charles and May had any other siblings and where they came from. I do have a photo of Lofty and Thelma at their wedding :) My fiancé was adopted out at birth and we have just recently found who his birth mother was (Dawn Elizabeth Barkway) they have now reunited but sadly Dawn knows nothing about the Barkways or her father.  So in my search I have located Michele Barkway (Trevor's widow) and we are now in contact.  I am now doing the family tree and trying for everyone as to be honest none of the Barkways know their own family history.  I have also located May Rita Barkways daughter and granddaughter who are thrilled to find out about all of us and the other Barkways :)  Thank you so much for your help, if you have any other info it would be fantastic. xx Regards, Storm O'Neill +27 (076) 764 2168 Mobile 085 400 8019 Fax [email protected] www.house-of-madison.com This message is private and confidential.  If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete the said message. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neville Rasmussen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] (no subject) > Hi! > > Don't know if there is a connection but I knew a Harry Barkway who had a > wife called Marge and they had one son Trevor. Harry had a brother, > younger > I think who was called Charles (Charlie). Both were very colourful > characters. Harry served in the Tank corp in N Africa and Italy in WW11 > (lied about age) with the SA forces. Charles went all over the place the > UK, > America and Canada before returning to SA, he had been married but when I > knew him he was single again. > > Harry and Charles would have to have been a generation after the specific > Charles you are looking for, but it is not a common name. so ther might be > a > connection, and now that I think of it I seem to recall an Aunt who > visited > Harry now and again a  lovely real grand Dame of the old order. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Storm O'Neill" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 2:01 PM > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] (no subject) > > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I am trying to trace the Barkway family line from cape town.  I am >> looking >> for any info on a Charles Barkway, Charles married a Jean and then a >> Jenny.  May Rita Barkway and Charles Barkway were brother and sister, May >> was born in 1903 and I am not sure if they had any other siblings.  I am >> trying to find their parents and if their parents came from the UK to >> Wynberg in Cape Town. I know that Charles lived in what is now known as >> the Kingsbury Hospital in Claremont once upon a time. >> >> Regards, >> >> Storm >> >> This message is private and confidential.  If you are not the intended >> recipient, please notify the sender and delete the said message. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi! Don't know if there is a connection but I knew a Harry Barkway who had a wife called Marge and they had one son Trevor. Harry had a brother, younger I think who was called Charles (Charlie). Both were very colourful characters. Harry served in the Tank corp in N Africa and Italy in WW11 (lied about age) with the SA forces. Charles went all over the place the UK, America and Canada before returning to SA, he had been married but when I knew him he was single again. Harry and Charles would have to have been a generation after the specific Charles you are looking for, but it is not a common name. so ther might be a connection, and now that I think of it I seem to recall an Aunt who visited Harry now and again a lovely real grand Dame of the old order. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Storm O'Neill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 2:01 PM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] (no subject) > Hi Everyone, > > I am trying to trace the Barkway family line from cape town. I am looking > for any info on a Charles Barkway, Charles married a Jean and then a > Jenny. May Rita Barkway and Charles Barkway were brother and sister, May > was born in 1903 and I am not sure if they had any other siblings. I am > trying to find their parents and if their parents came from the UK to > Wynberg in Cape Town. I know that Charles lived in what is now known as > the Kingsbury Hospital in Claremont once upon a time. > > Regards, > > Storm > > This message is private and confidential. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify the sender and delete the said message. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Storm There are Barkaway estate papers in the Cape Town Archives. You can find out more about estate papers http://ancestry24.com/learning-centre/deceased-estate-records/ and to get these documents you either need to go in personally, ask a friend, pay a reputable researcher or WAIT for the archives to get back to you. DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 6/9/12852 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 2053/46 PART 1 DESCRIPTION BARKAWAY, JOAN MARGARET. ESTATE PAPERS. STARTING 19460000 ENDING 19460000 The Head Postal address: Private Bag X9025, CAPE TOWN 8000 Street address: 72 Roeland Street, CAPE TOWN Tel: (021) 466 8100. Fax: (021) 465 2960 E-mail: [email protected] (for General Correspondence) [email protected] (Reading Room Enquiries) Regards Heather Heather MacAlister Channel Manager E [email protected] T +27 (021) 468 8957 M + 27 (0)82 8082251 F +27 (0)86 5810390 twitter.com/ancestry24 | skype.com/ancestry24 7th Floor , 11 Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000 | www.ancestry24.co.za -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Storm O'Neill Sent: 28 September 2010 02:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] (no subject) Hi Everyone, I am trying to trace the Barkway family line from cape town. I am looking for any info on a Charles Barkway, Charles married a Jean and then a Jenny. May Rita Barkway and Charles Barkway were brother and sister, May was born in 1903 and I am not sure if they had any other siblings. I am trying to find their parents and if their parents came from the UK to Wynberg in Cape Town. I know that Charles lived in what is now known as the Kingsbury Hospital in Claremont once upon a time. Regards, Storm This message is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete the said message. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ##################################################################################### Scanned by MailMarshal - M86 Security's comprehensive email content security solution. Download a free evaluation of MailMarshal at www.m86security.com #####################################################################################

Hi Everyone, I am trying to trace the Barkway family line from cape town. I am looking for any info on a Charles Barkway, Charles married a Jean and then a Jenny. May Rita Barkway and Charles Barkway were brother and sister, May was born in 1903 and I am not sure if they had any other siblings. I am trying to find their parents and if their parents came from the UK to Wynberg in Cape Town. I know that Charles lived in what is now known as the Kingsbury Hospital in Claremont once upon a time. Regards, Storm This message is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete the said message.

Helen -- My wife was a Smith . Grand father was ARTHUR FREDERICK SMITH born London , emigrated to Kimberley , raised a family . Any connection there ?? Kevin -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of HELEN FARRELL Sent: 28 September 2010 13:35 To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] PASSENGER LISTS CAPE TOWN TO UK 1901 Hi everyone, Just wondering if anyone knows where I could find a passenger list of trainee blacksmiths which left Cape Town for UK in the early 1900's. My Grandfather Benjamin Smith was (I have been led to believe) a trainee blacksmith being sent to the UK for further training in his blacksmith career. Thanks Helen ________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 28 September 2010 09:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 188 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Mann & Carmichael & David (JULIE GRIFFITHS) 2. Re: Mann & Carmichael & David (Maurice Sheppard) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:50:36 +0000 (GMT) From: JULIE GRIFFITHS <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Mann & Carmichael & David To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 mark, Sorry I cannot help you with your quest but would you mind telling me where you found the passenger lists as my grandfather emigrated to Capetown from the UK around that time. best, Julie --- On Mon, 27/9/10, Mark Mann <[email protected]> wrote: From: Mark Mann <[email protected]> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Mann & Carmichael & David To: [email protected] Date: Monday, 27 September, 2010, 6:17 Hi All, Can anyone help with passenger lists of people landing in Cape Town from the UK from about 1901 to 1915.? The lists for that period seem vary scarce.? I am trying to find: 1)? ? George Carmichael born April 1912 on board ship (so I was told) but have found no other corroborating evidence.? They were Scottish and the only ?Carmichael? I can find is a Mrs. & Miss Carmichael out of Southampton in March 1912.? No idea if it was them.? I never knew the names of his parents or siblings, or where they came from.? He married Phyllis Pretorius around 1935.? If I don?t find anything from passenger lists or other stuff about tyhem in the Cape, I?ll have to hope the marriage certificate shows something.? No reference to it in the archives that I can find though.? The death notice might help too, and I have the reference to that, but I was still hoping for something from the ships lists. 2)? ? The family of Ernest George Mann b1869/70 & Hannah Sophia Mann (ne? Thompson ? b1870) with their children.? They were still in Essex during the 1901 census, with sons Sidney b1892, Edward, William and Leonard. I think they came before 1912 because Sidney married Elizabeth Frances David (b 1889 - I have no other info at all on her but would really like some) and their son Sidney was born in 1912 (in SA as far as I know).? I don?t know where the daughter Ethel was during the 1901 census, but she also came to South Africa and was married to James Gwynn.? My main interest is their landing in SA, but all other relevant info will be gratefully received. With George Carmichael I know the way forward is probably to get the death notice, but I thought maybe someone could help with the Cape Town side. I believe Ernest George Mann would have worked for the post office when he came out here, as he was a linesman with the post office in England.? I think several people are researching ?Mann? families.? If anyone is researching this particular one, please help. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Mark Mann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:12:05 +0300 From: "Maurice Sheppard" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Mann & Carmichael & David To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Mark, I too have drawn a blank on item 1 - I think the year must be wrong. Nothing in sailings, or consular or marine births for that year. Item 2: The following are passengers on ss GALEKA which sailed on 22 October 1904 from Southampton to Cape Town, but no sign yet of the husband. Mrs E.G. MANN - aged 38 Miss E. MANN - aged 14 Master S. MANN - aged 12 Master E. MANN - aged 8 Master W. MANN- aged 6 Master L. MANN - aged 3 Master E. MANN - aged 1 Let me know if you want the image, but it's rather large! Regards, Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Mann" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 8:17 AM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Mann & Carmichael & David Hi All, Can anyone help with passenger lists of people landing in Cape Town from the UK from about 1901 to 1915. The lists for that period seem vary scarce. I am trying to find: 1) George Carmichael born April 1912 on board ship (so I was told) but have found no other corroborating evidence. They were Scottish and the only "Carmichael" I can find is a Mrs. & Miss Carmichael out of Southampton in March 1912. No idea if it was them. I never knew the names of his parents or siblings, or where they came from. He married Phyllis Pretorius around 1935. If I don't find anything from passenger lists or other stuff about tyhem in the Cape, I'll have to hope the marriage certificate shows something. No reference to it in the archives that I can find though. The death notice might help too, and I have the reference to that, but I was still hoping for something from the ships lists. 2) The family of Ernest George Mann b1869/70 & Hannah Sophia Mann (ne? Thompson - b1870) with their children. They were still in Essex during the 1901 census, with sons Sidney b1892, Edward, William and Leonard. I think they came before 1912 because Sidney married Elizabeth Frances David (b 1889 - I have no other info at all on her but would really like some) and their son Sidney was born in 1912 (in SA as far as I know). I don't know where the daughter Ethel was during the 1901 census, but she also came to South Africa and was married to James Gwynn. My main interest is their landing in SA, but all other relevant info will be gratefully received. With George Carmichael I know the way forward is probably to get the death notice, but I thought maybe someone could help with the Cape Town side. I believe Ernest George Mann would have worked for the post office when he came out here, as he was a linesman with the post office in England. I think several people are researching "Mann" families. If anyone is researching this particular one, please help. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Mark Mann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 188 ******************************************************

Hi everyone, Just wondering if anyone knows where I could find a passenger list of trainee blacksmiths which left Cape Town for UK in the early 1900's. My Grandfather Benjamin Smith was (I have been led to believe) a trainee blacksmith being sent to the UK for further training in his blacksmith career. Thanks Helen ________________________________

Hi Mark, I too have drawn a blank on item 1 - I think the year must be wrong. Nothing in sailings, or consular or marine births for that year. Item 2: The following are passengers on ss GALEKA which sailed on 22 October 1904 from Southampton to Cape Town, but no sign yet of the husband. Mrs E.G. MANN - aged 38 Miss E. MANN - aged 14 Master S. MANN - aged 12 Master E. MANN - aged 8 Master W. MANN- aged 6 Master L. MANN - aged 3 Master E. MANN - aged 1 Let me know if you want the image, but it's rather large! Regards, Maurice Sheppard at The LONGMORE Pages http://www.msheppard.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Mann" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 8:17 AM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Mann & Carmichael & David Hi All, Can anyone help with passenger lists of people landing in Cape Town from the UK from about 1901 to 1915. The lists for that period seem vary scarce. I am trying to find: 1) George Carmichael born April 1912 on board ship (so I was told) but have found no other corroborating evidence. They were Scottish and the only "Carmichael" I can find is a Mrs. & Miss Carmichael out of Southampton in March 1912. No idea if it was them. I never knew the names of his parents or siblings, or where they came from. He married Phyllis Pretorius around 1935. If I don't find anything from passenger lists or other stuff about tyhem in the Cape, I'll have to hope the marriage certificate shows something. No reference to it in the archives that I can find though. The death notice might help too, and I have the reference to that, but I was still hoping for something from the ships lists. 2) The family of Ernest George Mann b1869/70 & Hannah Sophia Mann (neé Thompson - b1870) with their children. They were still in Essex during the 1901 census, with sons Sidney b1892, Edward, William and Leonard. I think they came before 1912 because Sidney married Elizabeth Frances David (b 1889 - I have no other info at all on her but would really like some) and their son Sidney was born in 1912 (in SA as far as I know). I don't know where the daughter Ethel was during the 1901 census, but she also came to South Africa and was married to James Gwynn. My main interest is their landing in SA, but all other relevant info will be gratefully received. With George Carmichael I know the way forward is probably to get the death notice, but I thought maybe someone could help with the Cape Town side. I believe Ernest George Mann would have worked for the post office when he came out here, as he was a linesman with the post office in England. I think several people are researching "Mann" families. If anyone is researching this particular one, please help. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Mark Mann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

mark, Sorry I cannot help you with your quest but would you mind telling me where you found the passenger lists as my grandfather emigrated to Capetown from the UK around that time. best, Julie --- On Mon, 27/9/10, Mark Mann <[email protected]> wrote: From: Mark Mann <[email protected]> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Mann & Carmichael & David To: [email protected] Date: Monday, 27 September, 2010, 6:17 Hi All, Can anyone help with passenger lists of people landing in Cape Town from the UK from about 1901 to 1915.  The lists for that period seem vary scarce.  I am trying to find: 1)    George Carmichael born April 1912 on board ship (so I was told) but have found no other corroborating evidence.  They were Scottish and the only “Carmichael” I can find is a Mrs. & Miss Carmichael out of Southampton in March 1912.  No idea if it was them.  I never knew the names of his parents or siblings, or where they came from.  He married Phyllis Pretorius around 1935.  If I don’t find anything from passenger lists or other stuff about tyhem in the Cape, I’ll have to hope the marriage certificate shows something.  No reference to it in the archives that I can find though.  The death notice might help too, and I have the reference to that, but I was still hoping for something from the ships lists. 2)    The family of Ernest George Mann b1869/70 & Hannah Sophia Mann (neé Thompson – b1870) with their children.  They were still in Essex during the 1901 census, with sons Sidney b1892, Edward, William and Leonard. I think they came before 1912 because Sidney married Elizabeth Frances David (b 1889 - I have no other info at all on her but would really like some) and their son Sidney was born in 1912 (in SA as far as I know).  I don’t know where the daughter Ethel was during the 1901 census, but she also came to South Africa and was married to James Gwynn.  My main interest is their landing in SA, but all other relevant info will be gratefully received. With George Carmichael I know the way forward is probably to get the death notice, but I thought maybe someone could help with the Cape Town side. I believe Ernest George Mann would have worked for the post office when he came out here, as he was a linesman with the post office in England.  I think several people are researching “Mann” families.  If anyone is researching this particular one, please help. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Mark Mann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, Can anyone help with passenger lists of people landing in Cape Town from the UK from about 1901 to 1915. The lists for that period seem vary scarce. I am trying to find: 1) George Carmichael born April 1912 on board ship (so I was told) but have found no other corroborating evidence. They were Scottish and the only “Carmichael” I can find is a Mrs. & Miss Carmichael out of Southampton in March 1912. No idea if it was them. I never knew the names of his parents or siblings, or where they came from. He married Phyllis Pretorius around 1935. If I don’t find anything from passenger lists or other stuff about tyhem in the Cape, I’ll have to hope the marriage certificate shows something. No reference to it in the archives that I can find though. The death notice might help too, and I have the reference to that, but I was still hoping for something from the ships lists. 2) The family of Ernest George Mann b1869/70 & Hannah Sophia Mann (neé Thompson – b1870) with their children. They were still in Essex during the 1901 census, with sons Sidney b1892, Edward, William and Leonard. I think they came before 1912 because Sidney married Elizabeth Frances David (b 1889 - I have no other info at all on her but would really like some) and their son Sidney was born in 1912 (in SA as far as I know). I don’t know where the daughter Ethel was during the 1901 census, but she also came to South Africa and was married to James Gwynn. My main interest is their landing in SA, but all other relevant info will be gratefully received. With George Carmichael I know the way forward is probably to get the death notice, but I thought maybe someone could help with the Cape Town side. I believe Ernest George Mann would have worked for the post office when he came out here, as he was a linesman with the post office in England. I think several people are researching “Mann” families. If anyone is researching this particular one, please help. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Mark Mann

> Hi list. > I am looking for descendants of Michael William Keyes, born in Dunedin NZ > 1878 and died in Pretoria South Africa in 1939. His father was Michael > Keyes > and his mother was Ellen Eagar. > Any help appreciated > > Margaret > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sadly not, so if you ever get any further info on this line, I'd appreciate it if you shared it with me, and I will do likewise. Regards Deborah. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Colin Möhr Sent: 25 September 2010 02:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] RIX, Christiaan - born 1847 Hi Deborah, Thank you. I had previously picked up your query from a search of the posting lists. Do you have a date of death for Christian? Regards, Colin Mohr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah Laing" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 2:35 PM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] RIX, Christiaan - born 1847 > Hi Colin, > I am researching Christiaan Rix born 1847 who married Wilhelmina Frederika > HOMMEL, daughter of Dirk Francois HoMMEL and Wilhelmina Frederika GRIFFIN. > > Children of this marriage were > Descendants of Christian Friedrich Wilhelm Rix > > 1 Christian Friedrich Wilhelm Rix 1847 - > .. +Wilhelmina Frederika Hommel 1876 - 1930 > ........ 2 Alice Maude Rix > ............ +Henry G. Holloway > ........ 2 Charles Robert Rix > ........ 2 Dorothea Francois Rix > ............ +Richard "Dick" W.S. Holloway > ........ 2 Florence May Rix > ........ 2 Sidney Fredrich Rix > ........ 2 Sylvia Blanche Rix 1911 - > ............ +Thomas Voss > ........ 2 Iris Minnie Rix 1916 - > > ANY FURTHER INFORMATION ON THIS RIX CLAN WOULD BE APPRECIATED. > DEBORAH. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Heather > MacAlister - Ancestry 24 > Sent: 24 September 2010 12:45 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Rix Family > > > Hi Colin > > Do you have this > > RIX > Christian Rix * c. 1821 a. 1858 v. Damerow, Pruise x Friederike NN * c. > 1821 > hl Wilhelm * c. 1843 > h2 Friedrich * c. 1845 > h3 Christian * c. 1847 > 64 Gotfried c. 1851 > 65 Carl * c. 1853 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dennis I have a Dennis FIELD who married Mavis Edythe (Maisie) born ETHEREDGE. Maisie died in 1986 at the age of 81 years which makes her year of birth 1905. This FIELD family lived in East London and their children were Eric, Barry and Robin FIELD. Are they part of your tree? Vivienne ________________________________ From: Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 9:45:43 Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Field Family in South Africa from 1820 to1855 Hello Dennis A tidewaiter is a customs officer. He would check the goods as they came off the ship or were loaded on and of he confiscated the goods, probably took them home to his family. My great great grandfather was a tidewaiter and so was his father. There are hundreds of references on Ancestry24.co.za for the surname of Field. Many of them were from District Six. I found this in the SA Genealogies book: FIELD George Bridges Plantaganet Field arrival 15.1.1807 per Merlin van Suid-Amerika married Engelse kerk, Kaapstad 9.9.1822 Aletta Jacoba BORCHERDS born 30.3.1807 b 1 Charlotte Jeannette Plantaganet born 1.4.1824 baptised Kensington, Engeland 15.5.1824 b2 Alerta Planraganer born 9.12.1826 baptised Bengale b3 Thomas Peter Plantaganet born 29.12.1828 baptised Wynberg 17.2.1829 sterf: 12.12.1829 John Coote Field, boer op die plaas Brakfontein, Bredasdorp married Bredasdorp 4.9.1843 Elizabeth Catharina SWART born 6.6.1828 d.v. Daniel Johannes Swan en Sara Johanna Swart b Susara Johanna born 11.8.1844 baptised Bredasdorp 8.12.1844 William Jones Field married Susanna Elizabeth SCHLEMMER bl Esther Anna born 14.7.1871 baptised Uitenhage 6.9.1871 b2 William Joseph born 12.9.1872 baptised Uitenhage 17.11.1872 William Henry Field married Port Elizabeth 5.12.1888 Wilhelmina Anthoinette Sophia FROST * circa 1869 William Field arrival 1834, staatsamptenaar married Grace NN b? William Swan born Dublin, lerland 27.4.1821 died Kaapstad 14.4.1865, staatsamptenaar (see Dictionary of SA Biography III) Heather MacAlister Channel Manager E [email protected] T +27 (021) 468 8957 M + 27 (0)82 8082251 F +27 (0)86 5810390 twitter.com/ancestry24 | skype.com/ancestry24 7th Floor , 11 Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000 | www.ancestry24.co.za -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dennis Grubb Sent: 23 September 2010 10:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Field Family in South Africa from 1820 to1855 Information on the family of Thomas Field born somewhere in England about 1797. Thomas migrated to Cape Town, South Africa either about 1820 and/or 1840. He married Ann Harris 8 July 1841. He was a member of the Christian Israelite Church. Occupation was "tide Waiter" ???? If anyone can give a description of this occupation appreciated. Children born in South Africa were Thomas Field 30 Jun 1842 Ann Field 15 Oct 1844 Richard Field 15 Jul 1846 Henry Field 30 Jul 1848 Ephraim Field 7 Nov 1850 Manasseh Field 7 Nov 1850 (twins) Moses Field 11 Mar 1853 The family migrated to South Australia in 1853 Thomas migrated first with friend Ardolph Thielemann on the Lady Sandys. And Ann with 7 children a few months later on the Anne Dashwood. 2 more children were born in Adelaide, South Australia, Aus. Viz Caleb Field 21 Jan 1855 Rhoda Field 9 Jan 1858 Any and all information about the family sought particularly where in England they came from Ann Harris was possibly from Ireland Thanks in anticipation Dennis Grubb - Adelaide, South Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ##################################################################################### Scanned by MailMarshal - M86 Security's comprehensive email content security solution. Download a free evaluation of MailMarshal at www.m86security.com ##################################################################################### ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hello, I am trying to get the link between these two people: GEORGE EDWARD BISSE WYLDER VON ALLEMANN Born: 1860 RUDOLPH SIEGFRIED VON ALLEMANN Born: 1928 JOSHUA JOHANNES JOUBERT VON ALLEMANN Born: 20 Mar 1936 Please any info on this surname would be highly appreciated, Many thanks Rudi

Hi Deborah, Thank you. I had previously picked up your query from a search of the posting lists. Do you have a date of death for Christian? Regards, Colin Mohr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah Laing" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 2:35 PM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] RIX, Christiaan - born 1847 > Hi Colin, > I am researching Christiaan Rix born 1847 who married Wilhelmina Frederika > HOMMEL, daughter of Dirk Francois HoMMEL and Wilhelmina Frederika GRIFFIN. > > Children of this marriage were > Descendants of Christian Friedrich Wilhelm Rix > > 1 Christian Friedrich Wilhelm Rix 1847 - > .. +Wilhelmina Frederika Hommel 1876 - 1930 > ........ 2 Alice Maude Rix > ............ +Henry G. Holloway > ........ 2 Charles Robert Rix > ........ 2 Dorothea Francois Rix > ............ +Richard "Dick" W.S. Holloway > ........ 2 Florence May Rix > ........ 2 Sidney Fredrich Rix > ........ 2 Sylvia Blanche Rix 1911 - > ............ +Thomas Voss > ........ 2 Iris Minnie Rix 1916 - > > ANY FURTHER INFORMATION ON THIS RIX CLAN WOULD BE APPRECIATED. > DEBORAH. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Heather > MacAlister - Ancestry 24 > Sent: 24 September 2010 12:45 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Rix Family > > > Hi Colin > > Do you have this > > RIX > Christian Rix * c. 1821 a. 1858 v. Damerow, Pruise x Friederike NN * c. > 1821 > hl Wilhelm * c. 1843 > h2 Friedrich * c. 1845 > h3 Christian * c. 1847 > 64 Gotfried c. 1851 > 65 Carl * c. 1853 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Colin, I am researching Christiaan Rix born 1847 who married Wilhelmina Frederika HOMMEL, daughter of Dirk Francois HoMMEL and Wilhelmina Frederika GRIFFIN. Children of this marriage were Descendants of Christian Friedrich Wilhelm Rix 1 Christian Friedrich Wilhelm Rix 1847 - .. +Wilhelmina Frederika Hommel 1876 - 1930 ........ 2 Alice Maude Rix ............ +Henry G. Holloway ........ 2 Charles Robert Rix ........ 2 Dorothea Francois Rix ............ +Richard "Dick" W.S. Holloway ........ 2 Florence May Rix ........ 2 Sidney Fredrich Rix ........ 2 Sylvia Blanche Rix 1911 - ............ +Thomas Voss ........ 2 Iris Minnie Rix 1916 - ANY FURTHER INFORMATION ON THIS RIX CLAN WOULD BE APPRECIATED. DEBORAH. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24 Sent: 24 September 2010 12:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Rix Family Hi Colin Do you have this RIX Christian Rix * c. 1821 a. 1858 v. Damerow, Pruise x Friederike NN * c. 1821 hl Wilhelm * c. 1843 h2 Friedrich * c. 1845 h3 Christian * c. 1847 64 Gotfried c. 1851 65 Carl * c. 1853

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