GOK what I di with the info I got fro someone (I don't think it was Mcgillivray) but it was about McGillivray early Zambia and Frykberg Please help? Patricia Frykberg

BIDDULPH -An old frontier Colonist—Mr. E. W. Biddulph—died recently at Johannesburg, aged 63 years. He was the son of one of the settlers of 1820, and was born in the Eastern Province. For years he was a well-to-do farmer on the frontier, but, like many others in the earlier days of the Colony, he had suffered by the ravages of natives, and was able to relate many startling incidents of the wars of 1846-50. Leaving the Old Colony, he migrated to the Free State and then to Natal; but, on the discovery of gold in the Transvaal, he went thither to improve his fortunes. The greater part of his stay in the Transvaal was at the Kaap and Upper Komatie districts, and he settled down at Johannesburg about six months since. Mr. Biddulph, who leaves a widow and large family, was highly respected by all who knew him.--Colonies and India April 11, 1888 CARLTON - At Algoa Bay, Mr. Thomas Calton, surgeon, formerly of Nottingham. He went out as a settler. He has left a widow and five children, who are coming home passengers in the Kinnersley Castle Transport. -Gentlemans Magazine 01/12/1820 CARR – Mr. George Carr, of Wynberg, Cape Colony, died on October 14, aged 80. He was one of the last survivors of the English settlers who landed at Algoa Bay in 1820 in the John. Mr. Carr’s parents, after enduring the rough and harassing life of the border for about four years, moved to Cape Town, and soon after to Wynberg, where Mr. Carr spent the remaining 68 years of his life. -  Colonies and India 11 November 1893 CAWOOD - The Hon. Samuel CAWOOD, whose death is announced, will be well known to every Cape Colonist, where he may be located. The deceased gentleman was born in April 1810, thus having entered his 78th year. He arrived in the Cape Colony by the ship John on April 19, 1820, with his father, Mr. David Cawood, and five brothers - James, William, John, Joshua, and Joseph - all of whom he outlived. Mr. Cawood was of an old Yorkshire family, his birthplace being Waybank Hall, at which place his father was engaged in farming till he decided to take part in the great emigration to South Africa, which took place in 1820. His youth was spent at Kaffir Drift Post, where his father had settled as a farmer. In 1832 Mr. Samuel Cawood and two of his brothers were at the kraal of the treacherous Zulu chief Dingaan, shortly before the frightful massacre of the Boers and their families under Retief.From a similar fate the Cawoods had the narrowest escape. It was with great difficulty that they got permission to leave the place, and, as they afterwards discovered, a body of men had been sent on before to waylay them on their return to Natal. The men fell in on the way with a hunting party of Hottentots, all of whom they killed except one lad. The Cawoods on their return towards Natal crossed the river 24 hours before the Zulus came up, and, owing to the heavy rains, no spoor was left at the drift, which led their pursuers to suppose that they had taken another road, and therefore the chase was abandoned. In 1840 the firm of Cawood Bros. was started in Port Elizabeth, and soon afterwards in Grahamstown and Cradock, four or five smaller branch houses being started in course of time. In 1880 he was elected Mayor of Grahamstown and on May 7, 1882, he presided as Acting Mayor at the opening of the new Town Hall. The chief mourners were the following relatives and family connections of the deceased:- Messrs. Thomas, William and George CAWOOD. Messrs. Herbert BAKER and Charles DYER, of King Williamstown Mr. J.W. KING, of Adelaide, Mr. R.W. NELSON, of Grahamstown Mr. Frank KING, of Bedford, and Mr. Richard CAWOOD The grandsons present being - Joseph, Charles, and Willie CAWOOD, sons of Mr. W.D. CAWOOD Willie Albert CAWOOD - son of Mr. Thomas CAWOOD and R.W. NELSON, jun and George C. NELSON, sons of Mr. R.W. NELSON. In addition to these were numerous distant relatives, together  with Mr. John ATHERSTONE, of Albany, and Mr. VARDY, of Port Elizabeth. The following gentlemen, who are among the oldest Grahamstown friends of the deceased, acted as pall-bearers, namely Messrs. C.H. HUNTLY, Reuben AYLIFF, W.A. FLETCHER, Josiah SLATER, Henry WOOD, C.J. STIRK  - Colonies and India 22 July 1887 CHASE – Mr. Henry N. CHASE, of Uitenhage,Cape Colony, died the other day. He was widely known and universally respected. Mr. H.N. Chase was a son of the late Hon. J.C. Chase, who arrived with the British settlers of 1820, and had consequently lived all his years in the Colony. For a considerable period he was in business in Port Elizabeth, but removed to Uitenhage on being appointed secretary of the Board of Executors, which position he held up to the time of his death. Mr. Chase was 71 years of age. Colonies and India 14 January 1893 GODLONTON - Robert - Born in London Sept. 24, 1794, Died in Grahamstown May 30, 1884. A British Settler of 1820. The recognised Father of the Press of the Eastern Province of the Colony, and for many years a valued member of the Legislative Council of the Cape of Good Hope. Colonies and India 17 December 1886 JEFFRIES - Mr. Gad JEFFRIES, an old South African Colonist, died at Ladybrand the other day, aged 89. He was born in Scotland and emigrated to the Cape in 1820 - Colonies and India 08/10/1892 MANDY - Old Colonists at home will regret to hear of the death of Mr. William MANDY, at his farm in Lushington Valley, in the 67th year of his age. He was born on board the Nautilus when on her voyage to Algoa Bay with a party of the British settlers of 1820. Mr. Mandy had seen active service in several South African wars, and had held the position of Commandant of Burghers. So highly did he stand in the opinion of the late Sir Walter Currie that on his organising the Frontier Armed and Mounted Police, Mr. Mandy was among the first chosen by him to take command of a troop, a post which after some hesitation he eventually accepted. Though for many years past Mr. Mandy has lived a retired life on his farm, there are few people in the Colony by whom he was not known and respected. - Colonies and India  04 March 1887 NORTON - The death is announced from Grahamstown of Mr. Thomas NORTON, sen, a son of one of the British settlers of 1820. Mr. Norton was 67 years of age at the time of his death, and was regretted by a large circle of friends. Colonial and India News 24 October 1888 PEACH -The old settlers are going one by one. The Grahamstown papers report the decease of  Mr. George Peach, at the age of 90. It is said that Mr. Peach was gardener to good old Mr. UPPLEBY, of Uitenhage, whose  flowers used to decorate the little cozy bar of  Mrs. Phillis’s hotel, and that he was many years keeper of the Wesleyan Chapel in Grahamstown. It is supposed that he was the last surviving settler who had  attained his majority when he landed in Algoa Bay in 1820. -  Colonies And India April 15, 1887 ROBERTS - There are few old settlers left now to look back upon the initial trial of colonisation or to be cheered by the bright prospects which are now South Africa. The last to pass away was Mrs. Maria Roberts, of Oak Terrace, Grahamstown, and who could speak of the days when the natives used to mount the hill to the east of the city and threaten to come down and eat them up. She was born on April 6, 1796 - her parents Benjamin and Mary WOOLCOTT, belonged to one of the old Somersetshire families. She was brought up in affluence and refinement, but after her marriage her husband was attracted by the then projected new settlement in Africa, and she went with him as one of the British settlers of 1820. She was in weak health, and had to be carried on board the Kennersley Castle on Jan. 1, 1820, and landed in Algoa Bay on May 1, 1820. Mrs. Roberts often spoke of the hearty kindness of the Dutch farmer who seemed sorry to have to put them off his waggon, and leave their small party in the open veld in Lower Albany at New Bristol, and the Bristol party resolved to call their location. It is remarkable that in this Bristol party were three weak and sickly members and that those three outlived all the other adult settlers of 1820 except one. Early in the history of the settlement, the deceased met the Rev. William SHAW, and later Mrs. SHAW, with whom was formed a life long friendship. She thereafter joined the Methodist Church, and took part in its early struggles. Her house became a prophet's chamber, and was the resort of the preachers and pious, and her earnest piety, gentleness, and valued counsels attracted a large circle of friends. In her last days she was tenderly cared for by her children and adopted daughter, and had the sympathy of her dearest friends and settler families. It is sad to think there is but one left out of that band of settlers who turned a wilderness into thriving cities, towns, and villages, and initiated the stable industry of South Africa.- Colonies and India 15 February 1888 THOMAS - Mr. Isaiah THOMAS, one of the British settlers of 1820, has just died at Cala. He lived for many years at Lower Albany, and was nearly 90 years of age at the time of his death. - Colonies and India 23/01/1889 WHITFIELD - Charlotte Whitfield went to the Colony of the Cape of Good Hope in 1820 and was married in or about the year 1836 at Gahamstown to William Henry TURKINGTON, and died at Fort White, Cape Colony on 21st June 1876 - Lloyds Weekly 22/05/1898 AN 1820 MAN - Everyone who has lived at the Cape at any time knows Mr. PANKHURST. The Telegraph says :- "Old settlers don't like being cracked up at the cost of truth. The Star said that 'Mr. Pankhurst, an 1820 advent, is 91 years old, rode 30 miles on horseback the other day, jumped on to a post-cart, and traveled 70 miles further. The venerable PANKHURST did not think it worth his while to ask the Star to contradict its statement, but he wrote to the Mercury stating that he is only 85, and the distance he travelled was 20 miles. The old gentleman thought the Press ought to be prosecuted for 'telling lies' about him. - Colonies and India 13 June 1884 THE NEW MAYOR OF CAPE TOWN - Mr. J.W. ATTWELL, is very highly spoken of in the Colony. Mr. Attwell was born in Cape Town, and is the son of one of the founders of Grahamstown, his father having gone out to the Cape with the famous settlers of 1820. The new Mayor was educated solely in Cape Town and is a thorough South African. - Colonies and India 02 November 1895 ALGOA BAY SETTLEMENT - The settlement at Algoa Bay has been accomplished. The John transport which took out 600 settlers to Algoa Bay, from Lancashire has returned. We have, says a correspondent, arrived at Algoa Bay, after a tedious passage. I have been up the country as far as Graham's Town, and a more delightful one cannot be conceived. The proper officer has a surveyed government plan before him of the intended settlement, marked out in lots, of from 100 to 10,000 acres. Every lot has a good spring of water, and very well wooded. Every follower is allowed 100 acres, the quantity of land is sought for without partiality. The settlement is about 190 miles from the sea, where we found many respectable families already housed. One who had brought out an iron roof, was housed with all his family in three days and nights, by lodging his roof on the stumps of trees, plastering up the sides and giving it a good white washing. The climate here is so good that you have four crops a year. The road to the settlement is good, with excellent pasturage every where for your cattle, plenty of water and timber. - Monthly Magazine 01 September 1820

The link to Marthinus Jordaan is broken. Marthinus Jordaan, IVM Navorsing, I wonder if you picked up the 'Flemmerfamily.co.za' web site. There is a wealth of material here, including the stories of these families: Flemmer Naested Rous Von Abo I have been doing some work on the Rous family, and have a preliminary 'tree' in Ancestry.com You can see it under the tree tab, titled 'Rous Family South Africa'. Ek verlang steeds vir my geboorteland. Groete, Jim -- Jim Cole-Rous Director of Content www.GlobalChristianCenter.com Personal Web Site www.familyspectacularministries.org

Dear Members I have been keeping a database of webpages since 2009. The latest info is up to 95p. Should you want to include webpage addresses or check if I have it please mail me? I hope to publish this database later this year. Regards Marthinus Jordaan navorsing@mjsjorsdaan.co.za

-----Original message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 10/05/2012, 9:01 am To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 119 Today's Topics: 1. HARRISON Death Notices (Michele Shaw) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:36:09 +0200 From: "Michele Shaw" <sunshine.shaw@telkomsa.net> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] HARRISON Death Notices To: <harrison@rootsweb.co.za>, <south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com>, <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com>, <south-africa-eastern-cape@rootsweb.com>, <KWAZULU-NATAL-SOUTH-AFRICA@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <003101cd2dcf$8cfd1990$a6f74cb0$@shaw@telkomsa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi everyone, I have the following DEATH NOTICES in my possession. If any of the names are familiar, email me and I'll check for information for you. WILLIAM DERBY HARRISON WILLIAM HENRY HARRISON WILLIAM EDWARD HARRISON WILLIAM HARRISON WILLIAM HARRISON (Died in France) WILLIAM HARRISON ( Died at Delville Wood) WILFRID HARRISON WALTER PERCY HARRISON VERNON TEMPLE HARRISON URSULA HARRISON THOMAS SWAINSTIN HARRISON THOMAS PLAXTON HARRISON THOMAS EDWARD HARRISON THOMAS HARRISON X 2 SYDNEY NEVILL HARRISON SUSANNAH ELIZABETH HARRISON (born Kies) SARAH HARRISON X2 SARAH JANE HARRISON (born Dallas) SARAH ELISABERT HARRISON (born Frearson) SARAH HARRISON (Born Moloi) EDWIN HARRISON SADIE HARRISON (Born Williams) Born USA ROBERT JOSEPH HARRISON ROBERT JARROLD HARRISON SARAH HARRISON (Born Scott) CONSTANCE ELLA LOUISA HARRISON (Born Horton) HENRY HARRISON HENRY FENTON HARRISON also described as HARRY HENTON HARRISON ROBERT HARRISON ISABELLA HARRISON GEORGE THOMAS HARRISON MARGARET ANN HARRISON (wife of the above born Pearson) MARY ANN ELIZABETH HARISON PHOEBE ELIZABETH HARRISON (born McDaniel) WILLIAM THOMAS HARRISON AILEEN MAUD HARRISON (born Harborth) ALBERT VERNON HARRISON ALLEN ERNEST HARRISON ANDREW WILLIAM HARRISON Email truncated to 2,000 characters :::0:acc036d030921118f6aa8f2c166b4770:7d0:::: Original message is located on server

Hi everyone, I have the following DEATH NOTICES in my possession. If any of the names are familiar, email me and I'll check for information for you. WILLIAM DERBY HARRISON WILLIAM HENRY HARRISON WILLIAM EDWARD HARRISON WILLIAM HARRISON WILLIAM HARRISON (Died in France) WILLIAM HARRISON ( Died at Delville Wood) WILFRID HARRISON WALTER PERCY HARRISON VERNON TEMPLE HARRISON URSULA HARRISON THOMAS SWAINSTIN HARRISON THOMAS PLAXTON HARRISON THOMAS EDWARD HARRISON THOMAS HARRISON X 2 SYDNEY NEVILL HARRISON SUSANNAH ELIZABETH HARRISON (born Kies) SARAH HARRISON X2 SARAH JANE HARRISON (born Dallas) SARAH ELISABERT HARRISON (born Frearson) SARAH HARRISON (Born Moloi) EDWIN HARRISON SADIE HARRISON (Born Williams) Born USA ROBERT JOSEPH HARRISON ROBERT JARROLD HARRISON SARAH HARRISON (Born Scott) CONSTANCE ELLA LOUISA HARRISON (Born Horton) HENRY HARRISON HENRY FENTON HARRISON also described as HARRY HENTON HARRISON ROBERT HARRISON ISABELLA HARRISON GEORGE THOMAS HARRISON MARGARET ANN HARRISON (wife of the above born Pearson) MARY ANN ELIZABETH HARISON PHOEBE ELIZABETH HARRISON (born McDaniel) WILLIAM THOMAS HARRISON AILEEN MAUD HARRISON (born Harborth) ALBERT VERNON HARRISON ALLEN ERNEST HARRISON ANDREW WILLIAM HARRISON ANNIE FLORA HARRISON BENJAMIN HARRISON BENJAMIN CHARLES HARRISON CHARLES HARRISON (died during WW1) CHARLES WILLIAM FRANCIS HARRISON CLAUDE WOODLAND HARRISON EDWARD HARRISON EDWARD GEORGE HARRISON EDWIN PRATT HARRISON ELIZABETH HARRISON ELIZABETH ALICE HARRISON EMILY MARY HARRISON (born Upton) EMMA HARRISON EMMA HARRISON (born Sums) EMMA MARIA HARRISON (born Fisher) FLORENCE EVELYN HARRISON FREDERICK WILLIAM HARRISON GEORGE ARTHUR HARRISON GRACE HARRISON (born Addison) GUY FRANCIS HARRISON HAMILTON DAVENPORT HARRISON HAROLD HARRISON HARRIET HARRISON PERCY FIELD HARRISON MABEL HARRISON (born Steer) HARRY D'ARCY FORTESCHE HARRISON HERBERT TILSTONE HARRISON HENRY WILLIAM HARRISON HENRY FISHER HARRISON HENRY JOHN HARRISON ROBERT HORACE HARRISON JAMES HARRISON JANE HARRISON (Born Carter) JOHANNA MARGARETHA HARRISON (born Van Der Linde) JOHN RICHMOND HARRISON JOHN THOMAS HARRISON JOHN HARRISON JOHN CULPILLS GRUUME HARRISON (names unclear) JOHN THOMAS HARRISON JOSEPH HARRISON KENNETH CYRIL HARRISON LEONARD STUART EMMANUEL HARRISON LOUIS HARRISON MARQUERITE JOSEPHINE HARISON (born Richter) MARY HANNAH HARRISON MOSES HARRISON NORRISON EDWIN HARRISON OLIVER HARRISON PAULINE HARRISON (Born Kies) RICHARD THORNTON HAMILTON HARRISON Good Luck and I really hope that this will help someone out there. Kind regards Michele Shaw

Hi I received these records in error from Free State archives. Is anyone looking for "Administration of Justice" records in connection with the above person dated 1932. If you want more details, please contact me. Antoinette

Hi, This from NAAIRS, DEPOT KAB SOURCE MOK TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 1/1/768 SYSTEM 02 REFERENCE R11/985 PART 1 DESCRIPTION EDWARDS, DAVID PETER. DECEASED ESTATE PAPERS. STARTING 19320000 ENDING 19320000 The above indicates that he died in the Cape Province. If you go to www.national.archives.gov.za , the site will tell you how to apply for a copy of his Death Notice. I don't think that Maude Edwards will be in the archives yet, it is too soon. Regards, Rob -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of south-africa-cape-town-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 28 April 2012 09:01 AM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 116 Today's Topics: 1. EDWARDS (WADE) FAMILY (B & C Boehner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:52:43 -0300 From: B & C Boehner <b_cboehner@eastlink.ca> Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] EDWARDS (WADE) FAMILY To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001d01cd2474$a39464b0$eabd2e10$@ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am Canadian, looking for info on my grandfather who somehow got the name James Wade and not Edwards, so I am not sure if he was illegitimate or if she married a Wade before an Edwards. I believe he was born in Wynberg, Sept 17, 1904 & Died July 05, 1984 in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. My Grt. Grd'mother, was Maude M Edwards (nee McKinley or McVeith) Born Mar. 1886. Died Nov. 08, 1979 possibly in Margate, Durban. She was the daughter of a naval officer (name unknown) who was stationed in Simonstown. When young she played the organ at church. She married David Peter Edwards -born 1872? Died Oct 15, 1932=Block K Row J #37 Dutch Reform Church, not sure where. He was a builder. I am looking for records for James Wade, Maude Edwards and , David Peter Edwards. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------ To contact the SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN list administrator, send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN mailing list, send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 116 ******************************************************

My great great grandmother, Susan BAILEY, was born in 1837 in Simon's Town. She married Thomas BOWMAN on 22 September 1860 at St Francis Anglican Church in Simon's Town. Thomas was born around 1834 in Scotland. Thomas and Susan had 10 children - all born in Simon's Town from 1861 until 1882. Susan died on 7 July 1910 at Mossel Bay and Thomas died on 10 October 1918 at Mossel Bay - both are buried at Lazaretto Cemetery. Their daughter, Charlotte Jane Bowman, married George Herbert Chester in 1893 at St John The Evangelist Church in Cape Town. They came to New Zealand with their four children in around 1909. I am really keen to find further information on any of the Bowman or Bailey families. Regards Alison Chester Auckland, NZ

I am Canadian, looking for info on my grandfather who somehow got the name James Wade and not Edwards, so I am not sure if he was illegitimate or if she married a Wade before an Edwards. I believe he was born in Wynberg, Sept 17, 1904 & Died July 05, 1984 in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. My Grt. Grd'mother, was Maude M Edwards (nee McKinley or McVeith) Born Mar. 1886. Died Nov. 08, 1979 possibly in Margate, Durban. She was the daughter of a naval officer (name unknown) who was stationed in Simonstown. When young she played the organ at church. She married David Peter Edwards -born 1872? Died Oct 15, 1932=Block K Row J #37 Dutch Reform Church, not sure where. He was a builder. I am looking for records for James Wade, Maude Edwards and , David Peter Edwards. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Hi I have Eliza Ashley's DN (d. 1898) which gives a deceased son as Clement Walter. I will send it to you off list. Cheers Jenn Graham & Jennifer Lloyd [Genealogical & Historical Research] 2 Constantia Court River's End Road Plumstead 7800 Cape Town South Africa Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875 Mobile: 0824037343 email: lacey@yebo.co.za www.southafricanfamily.com I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass It's about learning to dance in the rain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Property Listing Association" <proplist@iafrica.com> To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 12:27 PM Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] FW: Woodward, Shearer, Ashley,Coomber Families Subject: Woodward, Shearer, Ashley, Coomber Families My sister and I have over the last few years tried to trace our family tree. Our maiden name is ASHLEY (so we thought until we stared investigating). We have exhausted every avenue and hope that someone out there may have some information that could help us. Our Great grandmother was Jane Maria Woodward Shearer. Information found on Ancestry24 was as follows: Clement Walter Ashley born ± 1857 died 1888 Married in 1877 Jane Maria Woodward Shearer born 1859 (she was 18 at time of marriage) Five children born out of this marriage namely: Clement Charles b. 1877 d. 1920 George Stanley b. 1879 d. 1938 Maud b. 1881 Sydney William b. 1883 Constance b. 1886 d. 1935 married Percival Honnet Jane Maria then married a Harry Coomber ( We can find no records of their marriage other than an application for consent to marry in 1895 on NAAIRS) DEPOT TAB SOURCE SP TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 76 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE SPR7800/95 PART 1 DESCRIPTION SPECIALE LANDDROST JOHANNESBURG HARRY COOMBER WEDUWENAAR EN JANE ASHLEY WEDUWE VRAGEN CONSENT TOT HERTROUWEN. STARTING 18951023 ENDING 18951023 Two children were born out of this marriage namely: Edwin Langford Coomber (our Grandfather) b. 1896 d. 1928 Lewis Woodward Coomber b. 1898 d. 1958. Action for the dissolution of the bonds of marriage was made by Jane Maria in 1903 (copies are in our possession). She must have changed both her and the children's name back to Ashley as both their death notices have the surname Ashley. Copy of our grandfather's death Notice (Edwin Langford Ashley) reads name of mother Jane Maria Ashley (widow). We can find no records of a Harry Coomber (whether Harry is his real name or not we don't know) and no records of Jane Maria Woodward Shearer's birth, baptism or death so decided to go backwards to try and trace her parents. Her Ex Parte Application (we have a copy) names her grandfather as Joseph Woodward, grandmother Jane Woodward and mother Mary Elizabeth Shearer born Woodward and on researching them we have found the following: Information found on southafrican settlers.com Joseph Woodward b. 1808 Gravesend, Kent England d. 1860 Cape Town. Wife Jane d.1900. Daughter Mary Elizabeth Woodward b. 1836, d. 1903. Found on Family Seacrh.org - Married William Ferris Shearer baptized 1834, died 1882 Father Robert Shearer b. 1790 and d. 1841 Married Anne Maria widow of Alexander Ferris in 1828. Information found on Ancestry 24: The family must have owned or been worked in a Hotel called "Cottage of Content" . Jane Maria Woodward Shearer was living there at the time of her marriage to Clement Walter Ashley as it says in information re their marriage: Residence at time of marriage: Selkirk st Taken from Ancestry24 Name: Shearer, Mary E. (Jane Maria Woodward Shearer's mother) Profession: Cottage of Content Hotel Address: 11 Selkirk street, Cape Town Source Location: National Archives Source: 1891 Cape Almanac Thanking you Penny Hobbs proplist@ifrica.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Penny I found the following info on Family Search (World Miscellaneous Marriages): Joseph Woodward married Jane Laurence 11 Oct 1830 St Helena Children: 1) Sarah Louisa Woodward Born Nov 1831 St Helena, christened 5 Jan 1832 St Helena 2) Mary Elizabeth Woodward Born 30 May 1833 St Helena, christened 16 Jan 1834 St Helena Information from Ancestry.co.uk: Joseph Woodward served with 20th Foot Regiment in St Helena. He was discharged from service age 27 in 1835. Regards Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Property Listing Association Sent: 23 April 2012 11:27 To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] FW: Woodward, Shearer, Ashley,Coomber Families Subject: Woodward, Shearer, Ashley, Coomber Families My sister and I have over the last few years tried to trace our family tree. Our maiden name is ASHLEY (so we thought until we stared investigating). We have exhausted every avenue and hope that someone out there may have some information that could help us. Our Great grandmother was Jane Maria Woodward Shearer. Information found on Ancestry24 was as follows: Clement Walter Ashley born ± 1857 died 1888 Married in 1877 Jane Maria Woodward Shearer born 1859 (she was 18 at time of marriage) Five children born out of this marriage namely: Clement Charles b. 1877 d. 1920 George Stanley b. 1879 d. 1938 Maud b. 1881 Sydney William b. 1883 Constance b. 1886 d. 1935 married Percival Honnet Jane Maria then married a Harry Coomber ( We can find no records of their marriage other than an application for consent to marry in 1895 on NAAIRS) DEPOT TAB SOURCE SP TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 76 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE SPR7800/95 PART 1 DESCRIPTION SPECIALE LANDDROST JOHANNESBURG HARRY COOMBER WEDUWENAAR EN JANE ASHLEY WEDUWE VRAGEN CONSENT TOT HERTROUWEN. STARTING 18951023 ENDING 18951023 Two children were born out of this marriage namely: Edwin Langford Coomber (our Grandfather) b. 1896 d. 1928 Lewis Woodward Coomber b. 1898 d. 1958. Action for the dissolution of the bonds of marriage was made by Jane Maria in 1903 (copies are in our possession). She must have changed both her and the children’s name back to Ashley as both their death notices have the surname Ashley. Copy of our grandfather’s death Notice (Edwin Langford Ashley) reads name of mother Jane Maria Ashley (widow). We can find no records of a Harry Coomber (whether Harry is his real name or not we don’t know) and no records of Jane Maria Woodward Shearer’s birth, baptism or death so decided to go backwards to try and trace her parents. Her Ex Parte Application (we have a copy) names her grandfather as Joseph Woodward, grandmother Jane Woodward and mother Mary Elizabeth Shearer born Woodward and on researching them we have found the following: Information found on southafrican settlers.com Joseph Woodward b. 1808 Gravesend, Kent England d. 1860 Cape Town. Wife Jane d.1900. Daughter Mary Elizabeth Woodward b. 1836, d. 1903. Found on Family Seacrh.org - Married William Ferris Shearer baptized 1834, died 1882 Father Robert Shearer b. 1790 and d. 1841 Married Anne Maria widow of Alexander Ferris in 1828. Information found on Ancestry 24: The family must have owned or been worked in a Hotel called “Cottage of Content” . Jane Maria Woodward Shearer was living there at the time of her marriage to Clement Walter Ashley as it says in information re their marriage: Residence at time of marriage: Selkirk st Taken from Ancestry24 Name: Shearer, Mary E. (Jane Maria Woodward Shearer’s mother) Profession: Cottage of Content Hotel Address: 11 Selkirk street, Cape Town Source Location: National Archives Source: 1891 Cape Almanac Thanking you Penny Hobbs proplist@ifrica.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Subject: Woodward, Shearer, Ashley, Coomber Families My sister and I have over the last few years tried to trace our family tree. Our maiden name is ASHLEY (so we thought until we stared investigating). We have exhausted every avenue and hope that someone out there may have some information that could help us. Our Great grandmother was Jane Maria Woodward Shearer. Information found on Ancestry24 was as follows: Clement Walter Ashley born ± 1857 died 1888 Married in 1877 Jane Maria Woodward Shearer born 1859 (she was 18 at time of marriage) Five children born out of this marriage namely: Clement Charles b. 1877 d. 1920 George Stanley b. 1879 d. 1938 Maud b. 1881 Sydney William b. 1883 Constance b. 1886 d. 1935 married Percival Honnet Jane Maria then married a Harry Coomber ( We can find no records of their marriage other than an application for consent to marry in 1895 on NAAIRS) DEPOT TAB SOURCE SP TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 76 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE SPR7800/95 PART 1 DESCRIPTION SPECIALE LANDDROST JOHANNESBURG HARRY COOMBER WEDUWENAAR EN JANE ASHLEY WEDUWE VRAGEN CONSENT TOT HERTROUWEN. STARTING 18951023 ENDING 18951023 Two children were born out of this marriage namely: Edwin Langford Coomber (our Grandfather) b. 1896 d. 1928 Lewis Woodward Coomber b. 1898 d. 1958. Action for the dissolution of the bonds of marriage was made by Jane Maria in 1903 (copies are in our possession). She must have changed both her and the children’s name back to Ashley as both their death notices have the surname Ashley. Copy of our grandfather’s death Notice (Edwin Langford Ashley) reads name of mother Jane Maria Ashley (widow). We can find no records of a Harry Coomber (whether Harry is his real name or not we don’t know) and no records of Jane Maria Woodward Shearer’s birth, baptism or death so decided to go backwards to try and trace her parents. Her Ex Parte Application (we have a copy) names her grandfather as Joseph Woodward, grandmother Jane Woodward and mother Mary Elizabeth Shearer born Woodward and on researching them we have found the following: Information found on southafrican settlers.com Joseph Woodward b. 1808 Gravesend, Kent England d. 1860 Cape Town. Wife Jane d.1900. Daughter Mary Elizabeth Woodward b. 1836, d. 1903. Found on Family Seacrh.org - Married William Ferris Shearer baptized 1834, died 1882 Father Robert Shearer b. 1790 and d. 1841 Married Anne Maria widow of Alexander Ferris in 1828. Information found on Ancestry 24: The family must have owned or been worked in a Hotel called “Cottage of Content” . Jane Maria Woodward Shearer was living there at the time of her marriage to Clement Walter Ashley as it says in information re their marriage: Residence at time of marriage: Selkirk st Taken from Ancestry24 Name: Shearer, Mary E. (Jane Maria Woodward Shearer’s mother) Profession: Cottage of Content Hotel Address: 11 Selkirk street, Cape Town Source Location: National Archives Source: 1891 Cape Almanac Thanking you Penny Hobbs proplist@ifrica.com

Thank you - so interesting...... My guess is that my Charles - came in as a servant on one of the ships - so not likely to be mentioned by name!!! Regards Dianne -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24 Sent: 23 April 2012 10:19 AM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] SCOTT - Passenger records Hello Dianne Cape Town has generally been considered as the initial major port of entry for South Africa. Years later Durban, Port Nolloth, Port Elizabeth and East London became more popular. Tracing the departure of passengers from England can be found in various repositories such as the Cape Government Gazette papers (1805 to 1900) in the Cape Town and Natal Archives. Government Gazette papers are also held at the National Library in Cape Town. The National Library in Cape Town also they holds passenger lists which were printed in daily newspapers under the shipping intelligence section. Newspaper shipping columns are by far the most accessible but it is a long and tedious task. If you are not sure what ship someone arrived on during a particular then more than up to 52 newspapers of the Cape Times will need to be searched. Most of the original shipping registers are non existent thus the newspaper records are inaccurate and incomplete. Passengers in steerage or “economy class” are not listed and those that are no initials are given to classify any person. However these passenger lists are guidelines and cannot be assumed as 100% correct. On many instances only initials and surnames are given, sometimes only surnames are given and titles and children were sometimes listed as “and 2 children” or “governess and baby boy” or simply 200 passengers and no names at all are mentioned. Many times surnames and names are miss spelt, passengers also sometimes never embarked or their ticket was used by someone else and the names were not changed or they used a pseudonym name to escape some form of family or criminal predicament. On occasions where Saloon passengers where listed the rest of passengers would be a simple number. Generally first and sometimes second class passengers are mentioned, but steerage passengers and the so called “economy calls” which were the majority on board – were seldom listed. Military regiments travelling by sea were usually listed as the regiments with its principal commanding officer only being named. When unassisted or private individuals are listed generally only surnames appear unless they had a title such as doctor, Sir, Lady etc. Single women or unaccompanied people were listed either as Miss, Mrs. or Messrs. This does complicate researching when looking for the run of the mill surnames. Children too were treated as subordinates and where not mentioned and just listed as “and 4 children” or “master Wood”. Records to be searched at the Cape Archives are the Registers of Arrivals and Departures of Ships, Algoa Bay 1846-1901 which are held under Reference CC which means the Archives of the Secretary, Cape Town Chamber of Commerce. These registers however give the captain’s name and sometimes the first class passengers only. Another good source is the Public Works Department PWD Volume 2/401 which holds passenger lists for 1872-1884. There are also Registers of Applications for Aided Immigration 1882-1902 under the Public Words Department PWD Volumes 2/408 to 2/410 and Application Forms Received for Aided Immigration for the years 1875-1889 are in PWD Volumes 2/402-2/404. In London at the Public Records Office in Kew, the reference BT 27 is the one to search for outbound passengers of 1890 to 1960. This documentation supplies the names of persons sailing from English harbours with the final destination being outside of Europe and the Mediterranean . To use these records the researcher must have some knowledge or approximate date of departure and the port to have any reasonable hope of finding a passenger’s name. The BT 32 Registers of Passenger Lists date from 1906 onwards. Whilst prearranged immigrant schemes such as the 1820 Settlers and others are well-known these passenger lists are inconsistent and full of errors. Looking for immigration records? Around the time of the 1881 census was the tail end of the 2nd Industrial Revolution these were some of the aspects which changed peoples lives and made them immigrate: the growth of cities and other population shifts working conditions for men, women or children changing role of women impact of inventions on life living conditions in the cities and in the countryside health and sanitation education housing income and wealth accumulation role of labour unions changes in family life transportation leisure Bearing in mind the largest number of people immigrated to South Africa ever at one time was between 1856 and 1873 when tens of thousands of immigrants came from England. Most of them came to work on the expanding harbours and extensive railways systems. Immigration Schemes >From 1870 onwards emigration to the colony peaked following the discovery of gold and diamonds. By 1870 virtually all emigrants went by steamship. Competition between the steamship companies helped, to some extent, to improve conditions for the emigrants. From about 1900 third class cabins began to replace the steerage accommodation. Accommodation was still basic, but it was a considerable improvement. Between 1830 and 1930 over nine million emigrants sailed from Liverpool bound for a new life in the New World of the United States, Canada and Australia and South Africa. For much of this period Liverpool was by far the most important port of departure for emigrants from Europe largely because by 1830, she already had well established trans-Atlantic links essentially in the import of cotton and timber. Liverpool was also well placed to receive the many emigrants from the countries of North Western Europe. Irish emigrants first crossed to Liverpool by steamship, while Scandinavians and Russians/Poles crossed the North Sea to Hull and travelled to Liverpool by train. Liverpool’s share of the emigrant trade began to decline from the late nineteenth century as emigrants increasingly came from the countries of southern and eastern Europe. Some passed through Liverpool, but more sailed from the nearer German and Italian ports. Motives for Immigration There were three main motives for emigration. Some of the emigrants were fleeing from the hardships of poverty and unemployment; this was particularly applicable to the 1,250,000 Irish who emigrated between 1845 and 1851 as a result of the potato famine. For Russian and Polish Jews, emigration was a way of escaping from political and religious persecution. Other emigrants were not suffering the hardships of poverty or the terror of persecution, but were attracted by the possibility of a higher standard of living. Most emigrants usually spent between one and ten days waiting for their ship in a Liverpool lodging house. In the mid-nineteenth century emigrants passing through Liverpool were liable to harassment and fraud by local confidence tricksters, who became known as ‘runners’. Runners frequently snatched the emigrants’ luggage and would only return it if the emigrant paid a large fee. In the late 1840′s and 1850′s, lodging houses were often inhospitable, dirty and overcrowded. Until the early 1860′s most emigrants left Liverpool on a sailing ship, and the voyage to Australia would take about 3- 4 months. Most emigrants travelled in the cheapest class of accommodation, known as the steerage. This was similar to a dormitory with bunks down the sides and tables in the centre. It was frequently overcrowded with poor ventilation. Emigrating in a sailing ship could be unpleasant, particularly during a storm; it was only better in degree in the early days of steamships! Diseases such as cholera and typhus frequently reached epidemic proportion as infection spread through the confined decks. Scores of emigrants died on this account. The 1855 Passenger Act helped to improve conditions, laying down minimum standards for rations, space and sanitation. From the 1860′s the situation began to improve as steam started to replace sail, and the steamship companies started to look after emigrants during their stay in Liverpool, with their representatives meeting the emigrants on arrival in Liverpool. The emigrants were taken to lodging houses which were frequently owned by the steamship companies, but delays still occurred and there continued to be complaints about treatment in Liverpool even in the early 20th century. No permission, passport or application form was necessary in order to emigrate from Great Britain or Ireland in the 19th century. Only when financial assistance, from or via the government, was required, did forms of application have to be completed. If you have any old newspapers or Cape Government Gazettes with passenger lists – please email them to us – your contribution will make a difference! http://ancestry24.com/learning-centre/passenger-shipping-records/ Regards Heather Heather MacAlister Channel Manager E heather@ancestry24.co.za T +27 (021) 468 8957 F +27 (0)86 5810390 Join us on Facebook twitter.com/ancestry24 | Skype: ancestry24 7th Floor , 11 Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000 | www.ancestry24.co.za -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DI - DD KITS Sent: 21 April 2012 01:12 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] SCOTT Hello Can anyone help with Passenger Lists - between 1841 & 1851? CHARLES SCOTT was on the 1841 Census Dorset and not on the 1851. He possibly left England from Southampton and disembarked in Cape Town.. And CHARLES SCOTT & APLINA BURTON - leaving Cape Town for England in 1849 or 1850 Don't seem to be in the Ancestry 24 Records. Thank you Dianne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Dianne Cape Town has generally been considered as the initial major port of entry for South Africa. Years later Durban, Port Nolloth, Port Elizabeth and East London became more popular. Tracing the departure of passengers from England can be found in various repositories such as the Cape Government Gazette papers (1805 to 1900) in the Cape Town and Natal Archives. Government Gazette papers are also held at the National Library in Cape Town. The National Library in Cape Town also they holds passenger lists which were printed in daily newspapers under the shipping intelligence section. Newspaper shipping columns are by far the most accessible but it is a long and tedious task. If you are not sure what ship someone arrived on during a particular then more than up to 52 newspapers of the Cape Times will need to be searched. Most of the original shipping registers are non existent thus the newspaper records are inaccurate and incomplete. Passengers in steerage or “economy class” are not listed and those that are no initials are given to classify any person. However these passenger lists are guidelines and cannot be assumed as 100% correct. On many instances only initials and surnames are given, sometimes only surnames are given and titles and children were sometimes listed as “and 2 children” or “governess and baby boy” or simply 200 passengers and no names at all are mentioned. Many times surnames and names are miss spelt, passengers also sometimes never embarked or their ticket was used by someone else and the names were not changed or they used a pseudonym name to escape some form of family or criminal predicament. On occasions where Saloon passengers where listed the rest of passengers would be a simple number. Generally first and sometimes second class passengers are mentioned, but steerage passengers and the so called “economy calls” which were the majority on board – were seldom listed. Military regiments travelling by sea were usually listed as the regiments with its principal commanding officer only being named. When unassisted or private individuals are listed generally only surnames appear unless they had a title such as doctor, Sir, Lady etc. Single women or unaccompanied people were listed either as Miss, Mrs. or Messrs. This does complicate researching when looking for the run of the mill surnames. Children too were treated as subordinates and where not mentioned and just listed as “and 4 children” or “master Wood”. Records to be searched at the Cape Archives are the Registers of Arrivals and Departures of Ships, Algoa Bay 1846-1901 which are held under Reference CC which means the Archives of the Secretary, Cape Town Chamber of Commerce. These registers however give the captain’s name and sometimes the first class passengers only. Another good source is the Public Works Department PWD Volume 2/401 which holds passenger lists for 1872-1884. There are also Registers of Applications for Aided Immigration 1882-1902 under the Public Words Department PWD Volumes 2/408 to 2/410 and Application Forms Received for Aided Immigration for the years 1875-1889 are in PWD Volumes 2/402-2/404. In London at the Public Records Office in Kew, the reference BT 27 is the one to search for outbound passengers of 1890 to 1960. This documentation supplies the names of persons sailing from English harbours with the final destination being outside of Europe and the Mediterranean . To use these records the researcher must have some knowledge or approximate date of departure and the port to have any reasonable hope of finding a passenger’s name. The BT 32 Registers of Passenger Lists date from 1906 onwards. Whilst prearranged immigrant schemes such as the 1820 Settlers and others are well-known these passenger lists are inconsistent and full of errors. Looking for immigration records? Around the time of the 1881 census was the tail end of the 2nd Industrial Revolution these were some of the aspects which changed peoples lives and made them immigrate: the growth of cities and other population shifts working conditions for men, women or children changing role of women impact of inventions on life living conditions in the cities and in the countryside health and sanitation education housing income and wealth accumulation role of labour unions changes in family life transportation leisure Bearing in mind the largest number of people immigrated to South Africa ever at one time was between 1856 and 1873 when tens of thousands of immigrants came from England. Most of them came to work on the expanding harbours and extensive railways systems. Immigration Schemes >From 1870 onwards emigration to the colony peaked following the discovery of gold and diamonds. By 1870 virtually all emigrants went by steamship. Competition between the steamship companies helped, to some extent, to improve conditions for the emigrants. From about 1900 third class cabins began to replace the steerage accommodation. Accommodation was still basic, but it was a considerable improvement. Between 1830 and 1930 over nine million emigrants sailed from Liverpool bound for a new life in the New World of the United States, Canada and Australia and South Africa. For much of this period Liverpool was by far the most important port of departure for emigrants from Europe largely because by 1830, she already had well established trans-Atlantic links essentially in the import of cotton and timber. Liverpool was also well placed to receive the many emigrants from the countries of North Western Europe. Irish emigrants first crossed to Liverpool by steamship, while Scandinavians and Russians/Poles crossed the North Sea to Hull and travelled to Liverpool by train. Liverpool’s share of the emigrant trade began to decline from the late nineteenth century as emigrants increasingly came from the countries of southern and eastern Europe. Some passed through Liverpool, but more sailed from the nearer German and Italian ports. Motives for Immigration There were three main motives for emigration. Some of the emigrants were fleeing from the hardships of poverty and unemployment; this was particularly applicable to the 1,250,000 Irish who emigrated between 1845 and 1851 as a result of the potato famine. For Russian and Polish Jews, emigration was a way of escaping from political and religious persecution. Other emigrants were not suffering the hardships of poverty or the terror of persecution, but were attracted by the possibility of a higher standard of living. Most emigrants usually spent between one and ten days waiting for their ship in a Liverpool lodging house. In the mid-nineteenth century emigrants passing through Liverpool were liable to harassment and fraud by local confidence tricksters, who became known as ‘runners’. Runners frequently snatched the emigrants’ luggage and would only return it if the emigrant paid a large fee. In the late 1840′s and 1850′s, lodging houses were often inhospitable, dirty and overcrowded. Until the early 1860′s most emigrants left Liverpool on a sailing ship, and the voyage to Australia would take about 3- 4 months. Most emigrants travelled in the cheapest class of accommodation, known as the steerage. This was similar to a dormitory with bunks down the sides and tables in the centre. It was frequently overcrowded with poor ventilation. Emigrating in a sailing ship could be unpleasant, particularly during a storm; it was only better in degree in the early days of steamships! Diseases such as cholera and typhus frequently reached epidemic proportion as infection spread through the confined decks. Scores of emigrants died on this account. The 1855 Passenger Act helped to improve conditions, laying down minimum standards for rations, space and sanitation. From the 1860′s the situation began to improve as steam started to replace sail, and the steamship companies started to look after emigrants during their stay in Liverpool, with their representatives meeting the emigrants on arrival in Liverpool. The emigrants were taken to lodging houses which were frequently owned by the steamship companies, but delays still occurred and there continued to be complaints about treatment in Liverpool even in the early 20th century. No permission, passport or application form was necessary in order to emigrate from Great Britain or Ireland in the 19th century. Only when financial assistance, from or via the government, was required, did forms of application have to be completed. If you have any old newspapers or Cape Government Gazettes with passenger lists – please email them to us – your contribution will make a difference! http://ancestry24.com/learning-centre/passenger-shipping-records/ Regards Heather Heather MacAlister Channel Manager E  heather@ancestry24.co.za T  +27 (021) 468 8957 F +27 (0)86 5810390   Join us on Facebook  twitter.com/ancestry24  | Skype: ancestry24 7th Floor , 11  Adderley Street, Cape Town, 8000  |  www.ancestry24.co.za -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DI - DD KITS Sent: 21 April 2012 01:12 PM To: SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] SCOTT Hello Can anyone help with Passenger Lists - between 1841 & 1851? CHARLES SCOTT was on the 1841 Census Dorset and not on the 1851. He possibly left England from Southampton and disembarked in Cape Town.. And CHARLES SCOTT & APLINA BURTON - leaving Cape Town for England in 1849 or 1850 Don't seem to be in the Ancestry 24 Records. Thank you Dianne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers Are there any listers in the UK that are willing to please help me to draw the line from William Dunn, born 09 May 1774 - St Andrew Holborn, London, back to his Scottish origins. His parents were William Dunn and Sarah ???. I suspect that they were married in- and came from Scotland. Your assistance would be greatly appreciated!!! Please contact me off-list at tom.elize@mweb.co.za should you need more information. Kind regards. TOM T DUNN EMPANGENI KWA ZULU-NATAL SOUTH AFRICA TEL/FAX +2735 772 5985 MOBILE +2782 549 5653

Relict is the word used in more formal old English meaning widow. Comes from the Latin word reliquiae which means "remains" or "of something left behind" . -----Original Message----- From: Brenda & Glyn Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 5:32 AM To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Trueman and Molesworth Hi Mary, Joseph Trueman was baptised and married at St Stephen Walbrook, London and his siblings were either christened or married at St Stephen Walbrook. Joseph's son Griffin and son John were christened at St Mary's Lambeth, Surrey so where he died we have no idea. His widow Mary had a child by Molesworth in Ireland in 1816. On Mary's gravestone are the words "relict of Deputy Assistant Commissary General Trueman" whatever that may mean. Hopefully that narrows the search a bit. Cheers, Glyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harper" <harperwight@talktalk.net> To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Trueman and Molesworth > Hi > Can see a load of Joseph Trueman's in the death notices - would help if > you > could narrow down whereabouts in UK he may have died. > Cheers > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brenda & > Glyn > Sent: 21 April 2012 18:00 > To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Trueman and Molesworth > > Hello Listers, > We're looking for someone in UK who may be able to look up a death notice > for Joseph Trueman, born 5th June 1777 and married Mary Crane in London in > 1802. Also looking for a marriage between Mary Crane christened 23rd March > 1779 and Major Edward Molesworth. This would possibly have been around > 1812. > Many thanx, > Glyn and Brenda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7075 (20120421) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Hi Mary, Joseph Trueman was baptised and married at St Stephen Walbrook, London and his siblings were either christened or married at St Stephen Walbrook. Joseph's son Griffin and son John were christened at St Mary's Lambeth, Surrey so where he died we have no idea. His widow Mary had a child by Molesworth in Ireland in 1816. On Mary's gravestone are the words "relict of Deputy Assistant Commissary General Trueman" whatever that may mean. Hopefully that narrows the search a bit. Cheers, Glyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harper" <harperwight@talktalk.net> To: <south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Trueman and Molesworth > Hi > Can see a load of Joseph Trueman's in the death notices - would help if > you > could narrow down whereabouts in UK he may have died. > Cheers > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brenda & > Glyn > Sent: 21 April 2012 18:00 > To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Trueman and Molesworth > > Hello Listers, > We're looking for someone in UK who may be able to look up a death notice > for Joseph Trueman, born 5th June 1777 and married Mary Crane in London in > 1802. Also looking for a marriage between Mary Crane christened 23rd March > 1779 and Major Edward Molesworth. This would possibly have been around > 1812. > Many thanx, > Glyn and Brenda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers, We're looking for someone in UK who may be able to look up a death notice for Joseph Trueman, born 5th June 1777 and married Mary Crane in London in 1802. Also looking for a marriage between Mary Crane christened 23rd March 1779 and Major Edward Molesworth. This would possibly have been around 1812. Many thanx, Glyn and Brenda

Hi Can see a load of Joseph Trueman's in the death notices - would help if you could narrow down whereabouts in UK he may have died. Cheers Mary -----Original Message----- From: south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:south-africa-cape-town-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brenda & Glyn Sent: 21 April 2012 18:00 To: south-africa-cape-town@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN] Trueman and Molesworth Hello Listers, We're looking for someone in UK who may be able to look up a death notice for Joseph Trueman, born 5th June 1777 and married Mary Crane in London in 1802. Also looking for a marriage between Mary Crane christened 23rd March 1779 and Major Edward Molesworth. This would possibly have been around 1812. Many thanx, Glyn and Brenda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message