Morning Keith,Thanks for the threads. I would read them during the week. If my memory serves me young Wilhelm was sentenced to death for "excessively punishing a slave." I am told his grave stone is in the Paarl Museum.Regards,Rod g From: [email protected] Sent: 2013/11/18 05:10:28 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Subject: RE: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Gebhardt and Simonsvlei All, This is for Rod and anyone else who may be interested. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/south-africa/2007-01/1169491873 I was browsing through my books and happened to open ">From Riga to Drakenstein, the story of Eduardt Christian Haumann and his descendants" by Riel Hauman. (The book is in Afrikaans, the title is my translation.) I was interested to note a map of Simonsvlei, and another account of the Rev. Gebhardt's tenure as owner. My own account is here: http://www.e-family.co.za/Meintjes/Watney%20Sedgefield%20r1v3.htm Helena Krugel seems to have had an unfortunate propensity in her choice of husbands. In "From Riga" it mentions that Eduard Haumann had beaten some of his slaves to death (she was his last wife). Later, she married the Rev. Gebhardt whose son, Willem, was to beat a slave to death in 1822 and to then be executed for that deed within a few weeks. Riel Hauman, "Van Riga tot Drakenstein", ISBN 0 620 10752 9 (self-published, 1987). Keith ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message